@DScottHewitt, I see what you're driving at, and it's a valid concern. The present offer includes 2 really good cards and 1 decent card. At the time of those prior free offers/gifts, the cards involved were not exactly elite. Kirk might be called elite (especially when he was given out), but that was also an error-filled scenario (butter-gate, if I recall). Mambo is solid enough. But the others... they're fine, but not exactly game-breakers.
Phlox is elite (Defensive for gauntlet, Reverend for voyages, Au Nat for... I dunno). It makes sense that they might try to monetize an offer like this. Now, if they intend to completely do away with any and all freebies in the future, and if this is the only way such offers will ever be presented to us again, then yes, this could be a red flag. But if this is just another new way to offer a certain class of crew, then let's just see where it takes us (and them).
It was pointed out in the Event thread, that the "Birthday" Offers usually aren't free. And 1,500 Dilithium is not a bad price for a guarantee of a specific Legendary.
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
I have Reverend Phlox at 4/5. That is likely the best way to go. But Defensive Phlox is one I've really wanted. I don't know how he is on voyages, but the gauntlet calls. I read from many that Phlox Au Natural is really good, but I don't know how good or for what purpose.
Therefore 2 questions:
Is this a true behold, or is it a you-get-one-randomly?
From those that know, what are the strengths and weaknesses (or best purposes) of these cards?
@DavideBooks, it is a true behold. You pay the 1,500 dilithium and it takes you to the behold screen with these three Phloxes as the choiches.
This is a variation of the birthday packs with less crew (think it is usually a 4*/5* mix), but all 5*s and you pick. Not a bad change really. I might hit it.
A cheaper pack with 4*s for the newer players might not be bad idea. I might have gone for it a year ago when I had less crew and less dilithium to spend. It would be a good way to put some older crew out there too. A monthly birthday pack(s) with older crew might have sales potential. If they want a new, limited freebie, they could let you have a free birthday pack during your birth month or one you could claim anytime within a year. I'd be happy with a crack at a free Kirk, Spock, or Data.
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💯% disagree. For the first time, we are being charged for a "celebration" "gift". And people feel like that is a good thing? TP totally jumped the shark here. It is a bad precedent, and needs to be anything but clapped for.......
That is an incorrect comparison.
We have done actor birthday packs regularly, this is a different take on them.
Not everything that celebrates something is a gift.
The more I think about it, the more this seems like an amazing addition to the portal offers. I really don't need another Phlox, but I'm thinking about buying it just so that the number of purchases goes up by 1, which might lead to a microscopic improvement in the chances of seing these again with other characters
💯% disagree. For the first time, we are being charged for a "celebration" "gift". And people feel like that is a good thing? TP totally jumped the shark here. It is a bad precedent, and needs to be anything but clapped for.......
That is an incorrect comparison.
We have done actor birthday packs regularly, this is a different take on them.
Not everything that celebrates something is a gift.
Yes. It has already been brought to my attention that I was operating on incorrect info. I apologize to you and to TP. It's my bad, and 1,500 Dilithium for a guaranteed specific Legendary is quite a fair price!!!!!
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
I really like thos type of offer.
They are trying something new and I think its important to let them know when they have a good idea.
Please, continue to make offers like this.
I would buy these on a regular basis if I was after the selected crew.
One of my biggest issues with STT is the difficulty in getting specific characters I want, and this feels like a good deal to tackle that. I have about a dozen characters on my wishlist, and I'd happily spend 1500 dilithium for any of them.
(I'd also happily spend $10 if they wanted to expand that weekly deal to character begolds.)
If TP wants to promote expanding the Engineered collection with one of these, and include Admiral Patrick in the options, I'll be there! I mean, I spent more than 1500 dil not getting him from a Tuesday pack, so would I leap at the chance to grab him? That's a stupid question.
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Not sure whether it should be a limited purchase having it limitless doesn’t feel right.
It seemed to be, but it disappered after the first purchase.
FFed the campaign Reverend. The others remain at 2/5 and 3/5.
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It is very tempting but I probably will not buy it since I already have Reverend Phlox maxed. But if they do more of these I will definitely be interested if I have enough dilithium at the time.
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So far, the Tilting Point reign has been a little uneven. The community appreciated a couple of the early offers, and the Covid freebies have been a great gesture. When the Tuesday pack shakeup hit, it was a little scary. A poorly worded and overpriced offer can (and did) destroy a lot of goodwill in a flash.
The “regular” price of a guaranteed legendary, as far as I can tell, is 15,000 dilithium in the faction store. At 10% of that (with a choice to boot), this is a nice valuation. Previous birthday packs haven’t touched this level of value, forcing a roll of the dice for the crew on offer (and often yielding a only super rare).
I would love to see packs like this as other main cast birthdays hit. It would change (read: up) my entire spending profile as I personally value characters over playability.
This, to me, is a good deal and all, to an extent. It’s great to be able to get a Behold with those three Phloxes but that dilithium price is WAY too much for a single Begold.
Weirdly enough, I’m also Vulcan Housewife. Also, RNGesus hates me, like really, REALLY hates me.
that dilithium price is WAY too much for a single Begold.
So, I need to ask the question... If you have a precedent that suggests it should be lower, what is it? I’m not trying to be combative, just genuinely curious. Every 650 spent on a standard pack has only a 10% chance of a legendary drop. Sure, you get honor that will total around 1/50 of a citation, but is that the right argument?.
It is very tempting but I probably will not buy it since I already have Reverend Phlox maxed. But if they do more of these I will definitely be interested if I have enough dilithium at the time.
Having one of the guaranteed Crew FF is always a valid reason to skip a Pack. {Or I guess a "BePack" in this case?}
People may remember, I started a second Rev off my "extra" copy from that Campaign. I don't know that we have a Big Book of Deserves a Second Copy. But, if we do, he would be in it. Both of mine {Immortalized first Rev} have gone on Voyages, together. Second is 70 or 80, and two 🌟 s.
But, it was still a gave it a little thought moment for me. I'm always tight on Slots.
Having at least one each of the Legendary Phloxii, plus SuperRare Mirror Phlox can pay off real good in the occasional right Gauntlet. There is a Trait combo that comes up sometimes where all four are 45%/65%.
Even without that, I see a lot of Revs, Mirrors, and Puffer Phlish ™ in Gauntlet. They can help when Med hits as one of the Skills. Puffer Phlish ™ especially is well thought out for Gauntlet. His Med Roll is 1000+ with Bonuses, but still has a wide spread, with bottom of Roll pretty low. So, he is strong without being OP.
Nekkid Phlox ™ has the weakest Rolls of the four, IIRC. So, mainly a good "fourth" in that one Trait combo, really.
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
I think this deal is very good value. It will take me a couple more days to get the dilithium together but I'll be biting. I might even have to build up a bit of dilithium in reserve for future offers.
Once I get my puffer fish gauntlets might be a tiny bit less painful.
To get a choice of a new card this way is enticing, but going for it just to add a * for 1500 dils? No way.
That's interesting. I'm only tempted by the opportunity to add a star. Duplicate Rev is at 4/5 and Defensive is at 1/5. Not sure which one to take.
Ever since Banjo extolled the benefits of having 2 FF Revs, I've kept that idea in my mind, and when I had the recent opportunity to make a 2nd copy and FF him, I went for it. He's since doubled up on several Voyages. I also have Def Phlox at 1/5, and decided he wasn't worth adding any more stars to, since he's really just a Gauntlet powerhouse. I don't have Nekkid Phlox at all, but he didn't tempt me (stupid sexy Phlox!).
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing. ~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
To get a choice of a new card this way is enticing, but going for it just to add a * for 1500 dils? No way.
That's interesting. I'm only tempted by the opportunity to add a star. Duplicate Rev is at 4/5 and Defensive is at 1/5. Not sure which one to take.
Ever since Banjo extolled the benefits of having 2 FF Revs, I've kept that idea in my mind, and when I had the recent opportunity to make a 2nd copy and FF him, I went for it. He's since doubled up on several Voyages. I also have Def Phlox at 1/5, and decided he wasn't worth adding any more stars to, since he's really just a Gauntlet powerhouse. I don't have Nekkid Phlox at all, but he didn't tempt me (stupid sexy Phlox!).
Defensive Phlox is MED/SCI/SEC. I struggle on all three of those voyage combos. SEC/SCI is what I really want, but I'm so weak that secondary/tertiary is good enough to get my attention.
I did not own Rev Phlox before his campaign, but I was also inspired by Banjo's posts to immortalise two copies (had some spare cites from Convergence Day). I've been wanting Pufferfish Phlox for a while now, so thank you TP for offering a targeted begold for sale. I like the concept of the targeted begold. Would bite again in the future if one of the options fills a gap in my roster.
Defensive Phlox is MED/SCI/SEC. I struggle on all three of those voyage combos. SEC/SCI is what I really want, but I'm so weak that secondary/tertiary is good enough to get my attention.
I take it you don't have Gary Seven? If you're looking for another option in the MED+SCI+SEC combo, Twilight T'Pol has very similar combined stats to Def Phlox.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing. ~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
Defensive Phlox is MED/SCI/SEC. I struggle on all three of those voyage combos. SEC/SCI is what I really want, but I'm so weak that secondary/tertiary is good enough to get my attention.
I take it you don't have Gary Seven? If you're looking for another option in the MED+SCI+SEC combo, Twilight T'Pol has very similar combined stats to Def Phlox.
Indeed, no Gary Seven. Like Defensive Phlox, my Twilight T'Pol is 1/5. I'm not ready to drop 4 citations on either. But getting Defensive Phlox to 2/5 is closer to citation territory.
I’m sure there is a reason relating to metrics based on other game sales, but I would really like to know why there aren’t more items put up for “sale”, whether it’s for irl cash, dilithium, or whatever. I don’t want to buy everything that is offered, but more offers would mean more things I do want to buy.
Oh, and I support the Phlox offer and will be taking advantage of it. I’d also like to see more of the same.
To get a choice of a new card this way is enticing, but going for it just to add a * for 1500 dils? No way.
That's interesting. I'm only tempted by the opportunity to add a star. Duplicate Rev is at 4/5 and Defensive is at 1/5. Not sure which one to take.
In your case, I would definitely go Reverend. You only need one Defensive Phlox for gauntlet. I have 4/5 Reverend and none else. I figure I'll go with Defensive.
To get a choice of a new card this way is enticing, but going for it just to add a * for 1500 dils? No way.
That's interesting. I'm only tempted by the opportunity to add a star. Duplicate Rev is at 4/5 and Defensive is at 1/5. Not sure which one to take.
In your case, I would definitely go Reverend. You only need one Defensive Phlox for gauntlet. I have 4/5 Reverend and none else. I figure I'll go with Defensive.
To get a choice of a new card this way is enticing, but going for it just to add a * for 1500 dils? No way.
That's interesting. I'm only tempted by the opportunity to add a star. Duplicate Rev is at 4/5 and Defensive is at 1/5. Not sure which one to take.
Ever since Banjo extolled the benefits of having 2 FF Revs, I've kept that idea in my mind, and when I had the recent opportunity to make a 2nd copy and FF him, I went for it. He's since doubled up on several Voyages. I also have Def Phlox at 1/5, and decided he wasn't worth adding any more stars to, since he's really just a Gauntlet powerhouse. I don't have Nekkid Phlox at all, but he didn't tempt me (stupid sexy Phlox!).
Defensive Phlox is MED/SCI/SEC. I struggle on all three of those voyage combos. SEC/SCI is what I really want, but I'm so weak that secondary/tertiary is good enough to get my attention.
Let me start by saying, much more important things going on in the world, it's only pixels, etc etc.
The offer is a good one.
The way it was announced as a 'celebration' was, IMHO, misleading. I do not ask people to celebrate my birthday by giving me money, I would offer to throw a party which is free of charge, people can chose to give or not give gifts. Likewise, if a bookstore was to celebrate the birthday of Jane Austen, they may ask if I'd like to celebrate with a free coffee and serve it to me by the Jane Austen display in the hopes of make a purchase. But then I'm from the UK, perhaps it's a cultural thing?
So once again this is down to wording. Lucky enough I've been burnt enough in the past by TP/DB that I expect to be disappointed.
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It was pointed out in the Event thread, that the "Birthday" Offers usually aren't free. And 1,500 Dilithium is not a bad price for a guarantee of a specific Legendary.
@DavideBooks, it is a true behold. You pay the 1,500 dilithium and it takes you to the behold screen with these three Phloxes as the choiches.
A cheaper pack with 4*s for the newer players might not be bad idea. I might have gone for it a year ago when I had less crew and less dilithium to spend. It would be a good way to put some older crew out there too. A monthly birthday pack(s) with older crew might have sales potential. If they want a new, limited freebie, they could let you have a free birthday pack during your birth month or one you could claim anytime within a year. I'd be happy with a crack at a free Kirk, Spock, or Data.
That is an incorrect comparison.
We have done actor birthday packs regularly, this is a different take on them.
Not everything that celebrates something is a gift.
Yes. It has already been brought to my attention that I was operating on incorrect info. I apologize to you and to TP. It's my bad, and 1,500 Dilithium for a guaranteed specific Legendary is quite a fair price!!!!!
They are trying something new and I think its important to let them know when they have a good idea.
Please, continue to make offers like this.
I would buy these on a regular basis if I was after the selected crew.
(I'd also happily spend $10 if they wanted to expand that weekly deal to character begolds.)
If TP wants to promote expanding the Engineered collection with one of these, and include Admiral Patrick in the options, I'll be there! I mean, I spent more than 1500 dil not getting him from a Tuesday pack, so would I leap at the chance to grab him? That's a stupid question.
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FFed the campaign Reverend. The others remain at 2/5 and 3/5.
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So far, the Tilting Point reign has been a little uneven. The community appreciated a couple of the early offers, and the Covid freebies have been a great gesture. When the Tuesday pack shakeup hit, it was a little scary. A poorly worded and overpriced offer can (and did) destroy a lot of goodwill in a flash.
The “regular” price of a guaranteed legendary, as far as I can tell, is 15,000 dilithium in the faction store. At 10% of that (with a choice to boot), this is a nice valuation. Previous birthday packs haven’t touched this level of value, forcing a roll of the dice for the crew on offer (and often yielding a only super rare).
I would love to see packs like this as other main cast birthdays hit. It would change (read: up) my entire spending profile as I personally value characters over playability.
So, I need to ask the question... If you have a precedent that suggests it should be lower, what is it? I’m not trying to be combative, just genuinely curious. Every 650 spent on a standard pack has only a 10% chance of a legendary drop. Sure, you get honor that will total around 1/50 of a citation, but is that the right argument?.
Having one of the guaranteed Crew FF is always a valid reason to skip a Pack. {Or I guess a "BePack" in this case?}
People may remember, I started a second Rev off my "extra" copy from that Campaign. I don't know that we have a Big Book of Deserves a Second Copy. But, if we do, he would be in it. Both of mine {Immortalized first Rev} have gone on Voyages, together. Second is 70 or 80, and two 🌟 s.
But, it was still a gave it a little thought moment for me. I'm always tight on Slots.
Having at least one each of the Legendary Phloxii, plus SuperRare Mirror Phlox can pay off real good in the occasional right Gauntlet. There is a Trait combo that comes up sometimes where all four are 45%/65%.
Even without that, I see a lot of Revs, Mirrors, and Puffer Phlish ™ in Gauntlet. They can help when Med hits as one of the Skills. Puffer Phlish ™ especially is well thought out for Gauntlet. His Med Roll is 1000+ with Bonuses, but still has a wide spread, with bottom of Roll pretty low. So, he is strong without being OP.
Nekkid Phlox ™ has the weakest Rolls of the four, IIRC. So, mainly a good "fourth" in that one Trait combo, really.
That's interesting. I'm only tempted by the opportunity to add a star. Duplicate Rev is at 4/5 and Defensive is at 1/5. Not sure which one to take.
Once I get my puffer fish gauntlets might be a tiny bit less painful.
Oh I see, it is a behold. Well that is better.
Ever since Banjo extolled the benefits of having 2 FF Revs, I've kept that idea in my mind, and when I had the recent opportunity to make a 2nd copy and FF him, I went for it. He's since doubled up on several Voyages. I also have Def Phlox at 1/5, and decided he wasn't worth adding any more stars to, since he's really just a Gauntlet powerhouse. I don't have Nekkid Phlox at all, but he didn't tempt me (stupid sexy Phlox!).
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
Defensive Phlox is MED/SCI/SEC. I struggle on all three of those voyage combos. SEC/SCI is what I really want, but I'm so weak that secondary/tertiary is good enough to get my attention.
I take it you don't have Gary Seven? If you're looking for another option in the MED+SCI+SEC combo, Twilight T'Pol has very similar combined stats to Def Phlox.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
Indeed, no Gary Seven. Like Defensive Phlox, my Twilight T'Pol is 1/5. I'm not ready to drop 4 citations on either. But getting Defensive Phlox to 2/5 is closer to citation territory.
Oh, and I support the Phlox offer and will be taking advantage of it. I’d also like to see more of the same.
In your case, I would definitely go Reverend. You only need one Defensive Phlox for gauntlet. I have 4/5 Reverend and none else. I figure I'll go with Defensive.
The offer is a good one.
The way it was announced as a 'celebration' was, IMHO, misleading. I do not ask people to celebrate my birthday by giving me money, I would offer to throw a party which is free of charge, people can chose to give or not give gifts. Likewise, if a bookstore was to celebrate the birthday of Jane Austen, they may ask if I'd like to celebrate with a free coffee and serve it to me by the Jane Austen display in the hopes of make a purchase. But then I'm from the UK, perhaps it's a cultural thing?
So once again this is down to wording. Lucky enough I've been burnt enough in the past by TP/DB that I expect to be disappointed.