I haven't seen this discussion about Wesley. so why now. She is an actress taking on a role, for which she's paid. If that isn't the case than we surely have an issue.
I personally like her to be added. Let us not forget that it is just a game. We do not really send children to war.
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I can totally understand being uncomfortable with the idea of having a real child (Suspiria’s childlike avatar or Balok’s true form don’t count) go on away missions, man a bridge station during a battle, or run a gauntlet round against a living embodiment of hatred and evil thoughts. And I definitely would not really want to see the kids from Captain Picard Day, Deputy Alexander, or Kadis-kot Naomi Wildman end up as in-game crew...but Kestra is in the same age range as Wesley, Jake, and Nog, so not sure why it’s only a problem now.
I can totally understand being uncomfortable with the idea of having a real child (Suspiria’s childlike avatar or Balok’s true form don’t count) go on away missions, man a bridge station during a battle, or run a gauntlet round against a living embodiment of hatred and evil thoughts. And I definitely would not really want to see the kids from Captain Picard Day, Deputy Alexander, or Kadis-kot Naomi Wildman end up as in-game crew...but Kestra is in the same age range as Wesley, Jake, and Nog, so not sure why it’s only a problem now.
It's because she is a she!!!!!
That's sexist.....
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Being uncomfortable with this makes zero sense to me, I'm struggling to understand why all the noise about it... is it another one of those things where people just like to be offended by stuff these days?
Being uncomfortable with this makes zero sense to me, I'm struggling to understand why all the noise about it... is it another one of those things where people just like to be offended by stuff these days?
Or one of those things where people are automatically dismissive of what others think and feel without knowing their life, experiences, or perspective?
Being uncomfortable with this makes zero sense to me, I'm struggling to understand why all the noise about it... is it another one of those things where people just like to be offended by stuff these days?
For me, it makes me uncomfortable because child soldiers are a very real problem in this world and so using an image of a child to engage in a space battle feels a bit wrong.
As pointed out, she's around the same age as Jake/Nog/Wesley were when they were first introduced, and knowing that lessens it a little bit, but it also feels different for those three because we saw them grow and got to know them as adults.
I can't say I'm offended by it, but it isn't a trend I would like to see continue either.
She's a teenager. Teenagers are already in this game. Wesley, Nog, Jake Sisko, Icheb, Q Junior. KDF Alexander is supposed to be 14 give or take some years. There's even a 1* Teenager Nog.
Also, Kestra Troi-Riker is played by actress Lulu Wilson. She has a new movie out called Becky, where she goes up against a skinhead leader played by Kevin James. It is not a comedy. Repeat, not a comedy. Very hard R, in fact. A gory Home Alone. I won't be seeing it because it makes me uncomfortable.
Having her character appear in a fun Star Trek spaceship and collectible game? I'm comfortable with that.
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Everyone's offended these days. RIP Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben's Rice.
Good thing we still still got Minute Rice.....although it takes 12 minutes to cook it... and as for the Riker kid....I will take the 600 honor and move on...nothing to see here...
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Being uncomfortable with this makes zero sense to me, I'm struggling to understand why all the noise about it... is it another one of those things where people just like to be offended by stuff these days?
Or one of those things where people are automatically dismissive of what others think and feel without knowing their life, experiences, or perspective?
It's hard to understand OP's perspective when they give no details as to its basis.
Being uncomfortable with this makes zero sense to me, I'm struggling to understand why all the noise about it... is it another one of those things where people just like to be offended by stuff these days?
Or one of those things where people are automatically dismissive of what others think and feel without knowing their life, experiences, or perspective?
It's hard to understand OP's perspective when they give no details as to its basis.
This. <snip> That was totally unnecessary. ~Shan
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
I'm more uncomfortable with her Hyphenated Last name lol.
It is sort of amazing they're still doing that in the future. But at that point, with all the current name hyphenations we have now, they probably should have descendants that have surnames made up of something like 36 ancestors.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing. ~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
I'm more uncomfortable with her Hyphenated Last name lol.
It is sort of amazing they're still doing that in the future. But at that point, with all the current name hyphenations we have now, they probably should have descendants that have surnames made up of something like 36 ancestors.
This thought occured to me too. Did Tom's and B'Elanna's child have a hyphenated last name? When the child eventually grows up and chooses a mate, do they also have to narrow it down to one family name? Maybe there's some futuristic process for streamlining.
This thought occured to me too. Did Tom's and B'Elanna's child have a hyphenated last name? When the child eventually grows up and chooses a mate, do they also have to narrow it down to one family name? Maybe there's some futuristic process for streamlining.
Or maybe they just do the "couple name" thing that's so popular nowadays. Although "Triker" does admittedly sound a bit silly.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing. ~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
This thought occured to me too. Did Tom's and B'Elanna's child have a hyphenated last name? When the child eventually grows up and chooses a mate, do they also have to narrow it down to one family name? Maybe there's some futuristic process for streamlining.
Or maybe they just do the "couple name" thing that's so popular nowadays. Although "Triker" does admittedly sound a bit silly.
Roi?
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
I’m not gonna write this off as “people like to be offended by things these days” because that’s all too often used by those unaffected by an issue as a callous way to dismiss people who have ALWAYS been uncomfortable with and disproportionately affected by certain things but are only now being heard. I’m not saying anyone’s doing that here, I just don’t want to dismiss you out of hand without understanding what you mean - this is a forum for discussion after all.
That said, saying you’re uncomfortable without giving some indication as to why doesn’t leave much room for discussion.
Everyone's offended these days. RIP Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben's Rice.
Products that will still exist but without the racist names and figures. Countless lives lost, destroyed, and damaged by slavery and racism but what bothers you is that you will have to learn new names for a couple grocery items?
Everyone's offended these days. RIP Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben's Rice.
Products that will still exist but without the racist names and figures. Countless lives lost, destroyed, and damaged by slavery and racism but what bothers you is that you will have to learn new names for a couple grocery items?
Nancy Green. She was the original Aunt Jemima. Born into slavery, rose to be a model on a product label.
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
Nancy Green. She was the original Aunt Jemima. Born into slavery, rose to be a model on a product label.
The Aunt Jemima concept is based on the Mammy/happy slave image, and IIRC, wasn't there a court case as Nancy Green (and others) were royally screwed over?
Can't say it's a shame that revisionist caricatures, originally designed to to paint over the horrors of slavery with a pleasant fiction, will be disappearing. It's the 21st century after all, they don't belong.
Sticking my Spock ears on for a moment, it's going to be interesting how things play out - all civilisations are built upon slavery, we're the first to face our history in this way, and it's the kind of thing that's existential.
We've built a myth of how good we are, and a history replete with the skulls we've crushed to get here doesn't fit that narrative very well. I'm hoping we come out the other side as a better society, more equal and tolerant, but I'm not betting on it.
It is never easy changing society for the better. There will always be those that profit from hate or gain power by pushing hate. We are making progress though and as long as we keep trying we will continue to do so. Just look at how the calls for change spread throughout the country and then around the world. People demanding an end to systemic racism in the U.S., Canada, Mexico, England, France, Netherlands, Germany, South Africa, Japan, and many other countries as well. We can be better. We will be better.
There's Link from Legend of Zelda swinging his sword. Aloy from Horizon ZD being taught to track and hunt machine beasts. Ellie from The Last of Us, who carries a rifle on the box art.
As far as children in games go, having Kestra facing an image of, say, Gangster Spock in gauntlet and shaking when they crit is very, very mild comparatively. Now, if you're uncomfortable by all those sorts of games, that's fine. But in terms of where STT including child characters sits in the industry, I imagine the majority of players wouldn't have an issue.
When I think of Naomi Wildman, I don't think of her as an adult in 'Shattered', I think of her playing Kadis-kot with Seven as a kid. Or Alexander saying "Ha! It's my laughing hour. Ha! Ha! The Higher the Fewer." while Worf is trying to get him to eat dinner. Those are the characters I want to see in game.
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I am curious why. Can you elaborate so we can understand your position? She is in the trek show.
And she does perform a useful role in helping Picard. Even if it was a bit like Wesley Crusher.
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It's because she is a she!!!!!
That's sexist.....
🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
Or one of those things where people are automatically dismissive of what others think and feel without knowing their life, experiences, or perspective?
For me, it makes me uncomfortable because child soldiers are a very real problem in this world and so using an image of a child to engage in a space battle feels a bit wrong.
As pointed out, she's around the same age as Jake/Nog/Wesley were when they were first introduced, and knowing that lessens it a little bit, but it also feels different for those three because we saw them grow and got to know them as adults.
I can't say I'm offended by it, but it isn't a trend I would like to see continue either.
Also, Kestra Troi-Riker is played by actress Lulu Wilson. She has a new movie out called Becky, where she goes up against a skinhead leader played by Kevin James. It is not a comedy. Repeat, not a comedy. Very hard R, in fact. A gory Home Alone. I won't be seeing it because it makes me uncomfortable.
Having her character appear in a fun Star Trek spaceship and collectible game? I'm comfortable with that.
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Good thing we still still got Minute Rice.....although it takes 12 minutes to cook it... and as for the Riker kid....I will take the 600 honor and move on...nothing to see here...
It's hard to understand OP's perspective when they give no details as to its basis.
This. <snip> That was totally unnecessary. ~Shan
All teenagers in this game were 1 or 2 stars until now.
She should be a funny two star character.
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It is sort of amazing they're still doing that in the future. But at that point, with all the current name hyphenations we have now, they probably should have descendants that have surnames made up of something like 36 ancestors.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
This thought occured to me too. Did Tom's and B'Elanna's child have a hyphenated last name? When the child eventually grows up and chooses a mate, do they also have to narrow it down to one family name? Maybe there's some futuristic process for streamlining.
There's also Chakotay, but most characters do have last names.
Or maybe they just do the "couple name" thing that's so popular nowadays. Although "Triker" does admittedly sound a bit silly.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
Roi?
That said, saying you’re uncomfortable without giving some indication as to why doesn’t leave much room for discussion.
Products that will still exist but without the racist names and figures. Countless lives lost, destroyed, and damaged by slavery and racism but what bothers you is that you will have to learn new names for a couple grocery items?
Nancy Green. She was the original Aunt Jemima. Born into slavery, rose to be a model on a product label.
The Aunt Jemima concept is based on the Mammy/happy slave image, and IIRC, wasn't there a court case as Nancy Green (and others) were royally screwed over?
Can't say it's a shame that revisionist caricatures, originally designed to to paint over the horrors of slavery with a pleasant fiction, will be disappearing. It's the 21st century after all, they don't belong.
Sticking my Spock ears on for a moment, it's going to be interesting how things play out - all civilisations are built upon slavery, we're the first to face our history in this way, and it's the kind of thing that's existential.
We've built a myth of how good we are, and a history replete with the skulls we've crushed to get here doesn't fit that narrative very well. I'm hoping we come out the other side as a better society, more equal and tolerant, but I'm not betting on it.
As far as children in games go, having Kestra facing an image of, say, Gangster Spock in gauntlet and shaking when they crit is very, very mild comparatively. Now, if you're uncomfortable by all those sorts of games, that's fine. But in terms of where STT including child characters sits in the industry, I imagine the majority of players wouldn't have an issue.
When I think of Naomi Wildman, I don't think of her as an adult in 'Shattered', I think of her playing Kadis-kot with Seven as a kid. Or Alexander saying "Ha! It's my laughing hour. Ha! Ha! The Higher the Fewer." while Worf is trying to get him to eat dinner. Those are the characters I want to see in game.