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  • PeetsPeets ✭✭✭✭
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    Peets wrote: »
    Peets wrote: »
    Peets wrote: »
    I am shocked that so many people did not realize they were profiting from a bug.

    Because it was a button that said 'buy again' not 'bugged illegal - do not press' I've been playing for five years, have a ton of he various currencies and so didn't notice nothing was being deducted until a few clicks later.

    So you did not read or knew that the limit was one each day and when you saw the "buy again" button you did not thought "hmm, this is a bug". Then you are lucky the "buy again" button did not remove huge resources from you or even real money. But then again, I think you would not have hit it many times :smile:

    The limit was one of the free packs. I clicked on that once. The free pack opened and we were offered a button to buy again.

    The limit of one was for the free pack.

    There was no advertised limit on the buy again.

    The free pack and the buy again were two different entities.

    I don't know how to make that any clearer.

    I am sorry, but I don't understand how you can see this as two different entities.
    You were still in the free pack when the button appears. When you click it, you are buying another free pack. How does a button changes his entity?

    Because it said 'BUY again' not 'claim another FREE pack'. It took me five or so claims before noticing that none of the myriad currencies were reducing.

    So you clicked a BUY again button without knowing what the cost was, at least five times.
    I wonder what the reactions would have been if everyone who pushed it lost 2k dilithium.
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    Peets wrote: »

    So you clicked a BUY again button without knowing what the cost was, at least five times.
    I wonder what the reactions would have been if everyone who pushed it lost 2k dilithium.


    I have more than enough dil to cover 2k. I wouldn’t have blinked an eye
  • (HGH)Apollo(HGH)Apollo ✭✭✭✭✭
    Peets wrote: »
    Peets wrote: »
    Peets wrote: »
    I am shocked that so many people did not realize they were profiting from a bug.

    Because it was a button that said 'buy again' not 'bugged illegal - do not press' I've been playing for five years, have a ton of he various currencies and so didn't notice nothing was being deducted until a few clicks later.

    So you did not read or knew that the limit was one each day and when you saw the "buy again" button you did not thought "hmm, this is a bug". Then you are lucky the "buy again" button did not remove huge resources from you or even real money. But then again, I think you would not have hit it many times :smile:

    The limit was one of the free packs. I clicked on that once. The free pack opened and we were offered a button to buy again.

    The limit of one was for the free pack.

    There was no advertised limit on the buy again.

    The free pack and the buy again were two different entities.

    I don't know how to make that any clearer.

    I am sorry, but I don't understand how you can see this as two different entities.
    You were still in the free pack when the button appears. When you click it, you are buying another free pack. How does a button changes his entity?

    Because it said 'BUY again' not 'claim another FREE pack'. It took me five or so claims before noticing that none of the myriad currencies were reducing.

    TP needed to differentiate more between those that hit it a few times and those that hit it many times.
    Let’s fly!
  • dext74dext74 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Peets wrote: »
    Peets wrote: »
    Peets wrote: »
    I am shocked that so many people did not realize they were profiting from a bug.

    Because it was a button that said 'buy again' not 'bugged illegal - do not press' I've been playing for five years, have a ton of he various currencies and so didn't notice nothing was being deducted until a few clicks later.

    So you did not read or knew that the limit was one each day and when you saw the "buy again" button you did not thought "hmm, this is a bug". Then you are lucky the "buy again" button did not remove huge resources from you or even real money. But then again, I think you would not have hit it many times :smile:

    The limit was one of the free packs. I clicked on that once. The free pack opened and we were offered a button to buy again.

    The limit of one was for the free pack.

    There was no advertised limit on the buy again.

    The free pack and the buy again were two different entities.

    I don't know how to make that any clearer.

    I am sorry, but I don't understand how you can see this as two different entities.
    You were still in the free pack when the button appears. When you click it, you are buying another free pack. How does a button changes his entity?

    Because it said 'BUY again' not 'claim another FREE pack'. It took me five or so claims before noticing that none of the myriad currencies were reducing.

    TP needed to differentiate more between those that hit it a few times and those that hit it many times.

    While I'm not defending them by any means, I can appreciate the trouble they must have making such a distinction.

    Any number you pick for the ban/no-ban line was going to be subjective. How would you argue that 19 isn't exploiting but 20 is. Okay, well, then 20 is but 21 isn't. It's a giant headache.

    Honestly the fairest way to do it would have been 1 since that's what they intended for the pack, but that would have been a massive overreach of a solution.

    The bigger problem is that the line doesn't seem to have been drawn consistently, as if there wasn't a specific number that prompted a ban.
  • IceCatIceCat ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not Banned - Situation Normal
    Peets wrote: »
    Peets wrote: »
    Peets wrote: »
    Peets wrote: »
    I am shocked that so many people did not realize they were profiting from a bug.

    Because it was a button that said 'buy again' not 'bugged illegal - do not press' I've been playing for five years, have a ton of he various currencies and so didn't notice nothing was being deducted until a few clicks later.

    So you did not read or knew that the limit was one each day and when you saw the "buy again" button you did not thought "hmm, this is a bug". Then you are lucky the "buy again" button did not remove huge resources from you or even real money. But then again, I think you would not have hit it many times :smile:

    The limit was one of the free packs. I clicked on that once. The free pack opened and we were offered a button to buy again.

    The limit of one was for the free pack.

    There was no advertised limit on the buy again.

    The free pack and the buy again were two different entities.

    I don't know how to make that any clearer.

    I am sorry, but I don't understand how you can see this as two different entities.
    You were still in the free pack when the button appears. When you click it, you are buying another free pack. How does a button changes his entity?

    Because it said 'BUY again' not 'claim another FREE pack'. It took me five or so claims before noticing that none of the myriad currencies were reducing.

    So you clicked a BUY again button without knowing what the cost was, at least five times.
    I wonder what the reactions would have been if everyone who pushed it lost 2k dilithium.

    I would have known to stop clicking when I ran out of dilithium.

    Respectfully, are you seriously suggesting you would have burned through your entire dilithium supply, just to get something like this? Are we talking hundreds? Thousands? Tens of thousands?

    I'm not suggesting you're lying. I'm just a bit dumbfounded that someone would burn through all of their dilithium for these resources. Particularly if we're talking about a very large amount.
  • Banned - SHAAAN!!!
    And here you are again.

    But you accuse me of being unhealthy?

    There seem to be alot more people burned by this situation than not. On the forums at least, admittedly.
  • PeetsPeets ✭✭✭✭
    Not Banned - Situation Normal
    I'm not trolling.
    I know you can stockpile huge amounts of credits, honor and chros. But dilithium? Not that much that you would spend thousands for the free gift.
    Matze thread "Different POV on the bans", could not have said it better.
  • edited February 2021
    Banned - SHAAAN!!!
    Peets wrote: »
    I'm not trolling.
    I know you can stockpile huge amounts of credits, honor and chros. But dilithium? Not that much that you would spend thousands for the free gift.
    Matze thread "Different POV on the bans", could not have said it better.

    I have 4000 dilithium.

    I could spend it on the poor odds of pulling a 5* out of a pack that also contains two 4*s I've immortalised or I can spend it on a pack that helps with a cool new feature that might allow me to target the only two cards I have left to chase in this game (Gary Seven and Mobile Doc)

    Next question, please...

    *Edited to add. I don't know if I've said it enough times but I pulled it around five or so times before realising nothing was being deducted.*
  • PeetsPeets ✭✭✭✭
    Not Banned - Situation Normal
    Peets wrote: »
    I'm not trolling.
    I know you can stockpile huge amounts of credits, honor and chros. But dilithium? Not that much that you would spend thousands for the free gift.
    Matze thread "Different POV on the bans", could not have said it better.

    I have 4000 dilithium.

    I could spend it on the poor odds of pulling a 5* out of a pack that also contains two 4*s I've immortalised or I can spend it on a pack that helps with a cool new feature that might allow me to target the only two cards I have left to chase in this game (Gary Seven and Mobile Doc)

    Next question, please...

    *Edited to add. I don't know if I've said it enough times but I pulled it around five or so times before realising nothing was being deducted.*

    Okay, so now what each time you pulled it, it would have cost you 2k dilithium. You would have had two constellations. How would you feel? If they would have said. You pushed on it, we going to leave it like that.
  • Banned - SHAAAN!!!
    Peets wrote: »
    Peets wrote: »
    I'm not trolling.
    I know you can stockpile huge amounts of credits, honor and chros. But dilithium? Not that much that you would spend thousands for the free gift.
    Matze thread "Different POV on the bans", could not have said it better.

    I have 4000 dilithium.

    I could spend it on the poor odds of pulling a 5* out of a pack that also contains two 4*s I've immortalised or I can spend it on a pack that helps with a cool new feature that might allow me to target the only two cards I have left to chase in this game (Gary Seven and Mobile Doc)

    Next question, please...

    *Edited to add. I don't know if I've said it enough times but I pulled it around five or so times before realising nothing was being deducted.*

    Okay, so now what each time you pulled it, it would have cost you 2k dilithium. You would have had two constellations. How would you feel? If they would have said. You pushed on it, we going to leave it like that.

    Great. 2k dilithium would have been worth it. Like I say, I can't really spend it on anything else.
  • Emperor Borg Drone (SC)Emperor Borg Drone (SC) ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2021
    I think they should communicate clearly where the cutoff was between "a few pulls" and "too many pulls".

    But 5 pulls should have been within the acceptable range, because so far I've only heard of two people who were banned for less then 11 pulls. I understand that you're angry because of this, especially since most others in your position weren't affected by the ban, but I would try to contact CS over it and see if they can fix it, if you lost resources because of it. And probably ask to escalate the ticket to someone who knows what actually happened.
  • PeetsPeets ✭✭✭✭
    Not Banned - Situation Normal
    Peets wrote: »
    Peets wrote: »
    I'm not trolling.
    I know you can stockpile huge amounts of credits, honor and chros. But dilithium? Not that much that you would spend thousands for the free gift.
    Matze thread "Different POV on the bans", could not have said it better.

    I have 4000 dilithium.

    I could spend it on the poor odds of pulling a 5* out of a pack that also contains two 4*s I've immortalised or I can spend it on a pack that helps with a cool new feature that might allow me to target the only two cards I have left to chase in this game (Gary Seven and Mobile Doc)

    Next question, please...

    *Edited to add. I don't know if I've said it enough times but I pulled it around five or so times before realising nothing was being deducted.*

    Okay, so now what each time you pulled it, it would have cost you 2k dilithium. You would have had two constellations. How would you feel? If they would have said. You pushed on it, we going to leave it like that.

    Great. 2k dilithium would have been worth it. Like I say, I can't really spend it on anything else.

    So you want to spend 4K dilithium for 2 random polestars that probably can give none of the crew you want. But spending 450 dilithium for a bigger chance to get the crew you want is useless?
  • edited February 2021
    Banned - SHAAAN!!!
    I've already told you 450 dilithium for those packs gives me 200 honour so the Polestar pack would be better value. I have every 4* card, I was at a point where I only really wanted Gary Seven and Mobile Doc from the game.

    YMMV.

    I'm going to leave it there, because we're going in circles. Have the last word if you like.
  • I've already told you 450 dilithium for those packs gives me 200 honour so the Polestar pack would be better value. I have every 4* card, I was at a point where I only really wanted Gary Seven and Mobile Doc from the game.

    YMMV.

    I'm going to leave it there, because we're going in circles. Have the last word if you like.

    Retirement posting at it’s finest lmao.

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  • Navarch wrote: »
    Peets wrote: »
    Peets wrote: »
    Peets wrote: »
    Peets wrote: »
    I am shocked that so many people did not realize they were profiting from a bug.

    Because it was a button that said 'buy again' not 'bugged illegal - do not press' I've been playing for five years, have a ton of he various currencies and so didn't notice nothing was being deducted until a few clicks later.

    So you did not read or knew that the limit was one each day and when you saw the "buy again" button you did not thought "hmm, this is a bug". Then you are lucky the "buy again" button did not remove huge resources from you or even real money. But then again, I think you would not have hit it many times :smile:

    The limit was one of the free packs. I clicked on that once. The free pack opened and we were offered a button to buy again.

    The limit of one was for the free pack.

    There was no advertised limit on the buy again.

    The free pack and the buy again were two different entities.

    I don't know how to make that any clearer.

    I am sorry, but I don't understand how you can see this as two different entities.
    You were still in the free pack when the button appears. When you click it, you are buying another free pack. How does a button changes his entity?

    Because it said 'BUY again' not 'claim another FREE pack'. It took me five or so claims before noticing that none of the myriad currencies were reducing.

    So you clicked a BUY again button without knowing what the cost was, at least five times.
    I wonder what the reactions would have been if everyone who pushed it lost 2k dilithium.

    Isn’t one of the issues that there was no price on these packs? If that’s the case, in most other environments (think stores), that’s on the seller, not the buyer.

    Try walking out of a store with an item that doesn’t have a price tag and see if you’re not accused of shop lifting.
  • Navarch Navarch ✭✭✭✭✭
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    PhotonKim wrote: »
    Navarch wrote: »
    Peets wrote: »
    Peets wrote: »
    Peets wrote: »
    Peets wrote: »
    I am shocked that so many people did not realize they were profiting from a bug.

    Because it was a button that said 'buy again' not 'bugged illegal - do not press' I've been playing for five years, have a ton of he various currencies and so didn't notice nothing was being deducted until a few clicks later.

    So you did not read or knew that the limit was one each day and when you saw the "buy again" button you did not thought "hmm, this is a bug". Then you are lucky the "buy again" button did not remove huge resources from you or even real money. But then again, I think you would not have hit it many times :smile:

    The limit was one of the free packs. I clicked on that once. The free pack opened and we were offered a button to buy again.

    The limit of one was for the free pack.

    There was no advertised limit on the buy again.

    The free pack and the buy again were two different entities.

    I don't know how to make that any clearer.

    I am sorry, but I don't understand how you can see this as two different entities.
    You were still in the free pack when the button appears. When you click it, you are buying another free pack. How does a button changes his entity?

    Because it said 'BUY again' not 'claim another FREE pack'. It took me five or so claims before noticing that none of the myriad currencies were reducing.

    So you clicked a BUY again button without knowing what the cost was, at least five times.
    I wonder what the reactions would have been if everyone who pushed it lost 2k dilithium.

    Isn’t one of the issues that there was no price on these packs? If that’s the case, in most other environments (think stores), that’s on the seller, not the buyer.

    Try walking out of a store with an item that doesn’t have a price tag and see if you’re not accused of shop lifting.

    I usually go to the cashier before leaving a store. Remember one time where I got a $20 fruit tray for $10 because they hadn’t put a price on it. I really like that grocery store.
  • IceCatIceCat ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not Banned - Situation Normal
    PhotonKim wrote: »

    Try walking out of a store with an item that doesn’t have a price tag and see if you’re not accused of shop lifting.

    Nice false equivalence there, WRG employee. The price tag clearly said free, and then a "buy again" button was presented. We went through the checkout, not our fault the cashier said here, take another one, it's also free, and another, and another. Then the store manager punishes the customer instead of the employee wrongly giving away free stuff. Then the manager wonders why the number of customers in that store suddenly drops after several incidents like that.

    Speaking of false equivalents, not everyone who disagrees with you is a WRG employee. 🙄
  • PeetsPeets ✭✭✭✭
    Not Banned - Situation Normal
    IceCat wrote: »
    PhotonKim wrote: »

    Try walking out of a store with an item that doesn’t have a price tag and see if you’re not accused of shop lifting.

    Nice false equivalence there, WRG employee. The price tag clearly said free, and then a "buy again" button was presented. We went through the checkout, not our fault the cashier said here, take another one, it's also free, and another, and another. Then the store manager punishes the customer instead of the employee wrongly giving away free stuff. Then the manager wonders why the number of customers in that store suddenly drops after several incidents like that.

    Speaking of false equivalents, not everyone who disagrees with you is a WRG employee. 🙄

    Oh, I would love to be one. Got some good idea's.
  • It’s ridiculous the way this all went down.
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  • PhotonKim wrote: »

    Try walking out of a store with an item that doesn’t have a price tag and see if you’re not accused of shop lifting.

    Nice false equivalence there, WRG employee. The price tag clearly said free, and then a "buy again" button was presented. We went through the checkout, not our fault the cashier said here, take another one, it's also free, and another, and another. Then the store manager punishes the customer instead of the employee wrongly giving away free stuff. Then the manager wonders why the number of customers in that store suddenly drops after several incidents like that.

    That's the best summary of what happened I've seen, yet.
  • PhotonKim wrote: »

    Try walking out of a store with an item that doesn’t have a price tag and see if you’re not accused of shop lifting.

    Nice false equivalence there, WRG employee. The price tag clearly said free, and then a "buy again" button was presented. We went through the checkout, not our fault the cashier said here, take another one, it's also free, and another, and another. Then the store manager punishes the customer instead of the employee wrongly giving away free stuff. Then the manager wonders why the number of customers in that store suddenly drops after several incidents like that.

    And went on a narcissistic screaming tirade, and had the customer thrown in prison for a day. Finally, doesn't apologize for their behavior and continues to blame the customer.
  • MiT SanoaMiT Sanoa ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2021
    Other - Comment Below
    I can report that CS was very cooperative and finally sorted out everything for me. My account is back to normal but still somehow I lost quite some enthusiasm for the game over the entire matter. Maybe the new reward structure can bring some of it back...
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