Just to add some additional data.
Bought 5 packs.
1 Leo, 3 Chapel, 1 Seven.
No variants of Seven but direct drops of 2 RP Reed and 1 Tactical Burnham.
I'm guessing those should have been 4* Seven variants or Chapel variants.
Burnham is recent event crew and hasn't been added to regular circulation yet. She shouldn't be dropping. Seems like DB forgot to update the loot table as well as the thresholds....
Let's keep harping on it, so those of us that cannot do a Pack until Friday can be sure we do NOT get either of them, since people will not drop it, until it is "corrected"......
Scott
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
The clue is that these always appear as a straight drop, and not a Behold.
It's possible to get a Behold with Delta Flyer Paris of course, but when you get a 4* or 5* straight drop in an event pack that isn't one of the guaranteed crew, it's always one of the variants.
Did not know that.
"Always" in the experience of the poster. Official word from DB? Closest is that Shan knows NOTHING about this "rule".......
Scott
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
Seems to be that I'm just "unlucky" with most of the recent event packs as I went 0/13 da Vincis. I also did not receive any Burnhams or Paris drops in those 13.
So I asked confirmation just to be 100% sure: there is no "rule" about event packs having a higher chance to drop variants of the event crew.
That is not a thing. If it were it would be part of the info text for the pack, as it would be a pretty significant detail needing to be mentioned.
In that case, does this mean that event crew are going right into general distribution after events end? So, for example, Tactical Burnham is available with standard pulls as well as event pulls?
This forum will not let me post an image, but I took of screen shot on the stt wiki where it says what you guys are talking about variant crew in event packs
"has increased chances of awarding you a non-event specific version of the event protagonists. In the case of Blood and Circuses, the event pack has a high chance of awarding you Command Wrap Kirk, Nexus Kirk and Commander Uhura." Quote from the stt wiki on Event packs
I don't know if that qualifies as a rule, but that's what people are talking about. I too received a delta paris, disguised kira, and a burnham which I thought was strange.
So I asked confirmation just to be 100% sure: there is no "rule" about event packs having a higher chance to drop variants of the event crew.
That is not a thing. If it were it would be part of the info text for the pack, as it would be a pretty significant detail needing to be mentioned.
Shan, this is why you get a bad reputation. There may not have been a written "rule" to this extent, but players have noticed this was true in practice. The characters showing up now are clearly stale characters from previous events. This is a copy/paste bug from the previous event, just like the threshold reward mistakes. Own up to the mistake and help get it fixed, don't double down on "no written rule."
"has increased chances of awarding you a non-event specific version of the event protagonists. In the case of Blood and Circuses, the event pack has a high chance of awarding you Command Wrap Kirk, Nexus Kirk and Commander Uhura." Quote from the stt wiki on Event packs
The wiki is created by players, so it's not really binding on DB at all. I also remember reading that passage, and I thought maybe DB had said something like that on the old forums (and possibly where the wiki editors got that information), but I can't find it. Maybe I just read it on the wiki and forgot where I had seen it.
I am no good at this 'being retired' thing from the forums, but I'll come in and support the data of my friends.
So, first off,
Hi!
Also, we are all talking about two different things here.
1) The current event pack loot table contained drops from both the current 3 featured crew (Daystrom Award) but also the crew from the previous faction event, The Akritian Job. Everyone who pulled a 650DIL pack *did* get one of the three promised featured crew - however they also appeared statistically probable to also receive a straight drop of someone from TAJ. Correct in the assumption that this isn't a "bad" thing, but still it is incorrect setup of the available loot table and needs to be brought to the staff attention, as it may have unintended consequences elsewhere. Of all the 'hiccups' that have happened with packs or loot, this one certainly is a user friendly.
B ) The concept that a featured crew is highly favored to drop other related, yet non-featured crew. I wish I had a cute name or acronym. Sisko - not that Sisko but the other Sisko - is correct that across my and his data, which is well over 10,000 premium portal pulls, there is a statistical favoring of an event pack to produce a purple/gold drop of a feature crew variant.
Does it happen all the time? No.
Is it frequent enough that it's 'a thing' among those who pull a lot? Yes.
Shan went back and investigated B, which is what she replied about - not 1. Michael Burnham should not be in the 'general population' loot pool just yet, so no one should technically be getting her in this portal. However what Shan was referring to was there is no coding or blatant favoritism for the portal mechanic to give you someone related to the feature character as a cool bonus.
While that's likely the truth that no one coded it, what we have observed through our data and what may be happening is a case of 'happy accidents' - IE the portal favors anyone with a name the same as the featured crew - and not because it's coded that way but because it wasn't coded not to.
Anywho, no pitchforks to be found around here. Just letting the staff know we observed an error. The forums tend to be the fastest way to get that direct communication, and that's all that was being done.
While the pack was working correctly as far as the event crew featured in the pack was concerned, the loot table also included crew from a previous event. Crew like Tactical Michael Burnham for instance, which is not yet available in regular premium pulls.
This has now been corrected.
While this has not compromised the validity of the event pack itself, as the guaranteed event crew for a 10-pack was not affected, we regret that such an error occurred.
If you are unhappy about having received Tactical Michael Burnham, Rura Penthe Reed, Disguised Kira or Delta Flyer Paris, for a purchase made before the fix, please submit a ticket and PS will work with you on a case by case basis.
While the pack was working correctly as far as the event crew featured in the pack was concerned, the loot table also included crew from a previous event. Crew like Tactical Michael Burnham for instance, which is not yet available in regular premium pulls.
This has now been corrected.
While this has not compromised the validity of the event pack itself, as the guaranteed event crew for a 10-pack was not affected, we regret that such an error occurred.
If you are unhappy about having received Tactical Michael Burnham, Rura Penthe Reed, Disguised Kira or Delta Flyer Paris, for a purchase made before the fix, please submit a ticket and PS will work with you on a case by case basis.
So you've changed this or Nod was wrong when he told us it was a "thing" on the old forums?
I don't know what Nod said on this. When we talked to the designers today, they did say it was something that was considered at one point, but they decided not to implement it. That may be what Nod was referring to, or perhaps he thought it was going to be implemented. There's also a chance it was an experiment he ran on some of the packs.
It's definitely not a thing now.
Hosun Lee Civilian, Brand and Marketing Ex-Disruptor Beam
Guys... literally since the Dawn of Events, variants of the featured crew have always had a bump (for reference, see the amount of Rifle Janeways is too damn high). It's also something that Nod did confirm at one point, but I'm slogging through hundreds of posts on the old forum to try to find it -- and it's frankly not my job to know how your product works, it's yours.
In this very post you DB guys and gals are making contradictory statements. I used to work as a management consultant, and it's almost painful to see easily fixable errors cropping up like this week after week. I earnestly suggest that DB take a look at sending its employees to some project management and communication seminars so you can put out the polished finished product that we all want from you.
Are you sure Nods statements during the Dawn of Events are relevant to packs now? I thought the favoritism for event characters that brought about the Command Wrap Kirk and Rifle Janeway apocalypse was turned off. I always thought this was a result of whatever code prevents beholds from occurring with new event characters which they have never admitted to existing.
My theory was always that a behold was created but there is some mechanism that auto picks the featured character for you. While this would cause favoritism for the event characters it would not be the same as the original favoritism code that Nod wrote about.
Are you sure Nods statements during the Dawn of Events are relevant to packs now? I thought the favoritism for event characters that brought about the Command Wrap Kirk and Rifle Janeway apocalypse was turned off. .
You're right. After the Constipated Kirkpocalypse, the favoritism was said to be turned down some. That's the post that I was looking for.
However, it's still behavior that was known to exist. I frequently get straight drops of character variants. For example, in the BO Dax event, I got a straight drop of Lt Cmdr Dax. Others in my fleet were experiencing the same behavior as well. To say it's never been a thing just isn't correct.
I think people are kinda confused. No one is asking for odds of golds and purples to change. Instead this was just a way to inform the powers to be that instead of a straight drop of a gold seven non event crew, it was dropping last weeks gold and event crew. It was just a nice heads up that they may want to turn that off so the pack can operate normally. This was also to ensure that any other bugs that come as a result could be cleared up before something really bad was noticed and a flood of tickets hit. There was a problem and it has now been fixed.
I could be wrong but I think all 3 stars variants had been taken out of event packs to prevent 9 warp Kirk's from invading. That's what made Jazz Riker and the new Spock valuable at the time. You couldn't buy them and had to earn them. (and Jazz is still only in the Federation store)
Alot of the information shared here probably wasn't typed out. It probably came from the streams when they still had them FYI. That's why old timers remember the info and it was posted to the wiki.
So you've changed this or Nod was wrong when he told us it was a "thing" on the old forums?
I don't know what Nod said on this. When we talked to the designers today, they did say it was something that was considered at one point, but they decided not to implement it. That may be what Nod was referring to, or perhaps he thought it was going to be implemented. There's also a chance it was an experiment he ran on some of the packs.
It's definitely not a thing now.
So this begs a question.
Was Nod wrong, or did this change.
If Nod was wrong, then I'm going to feel the need to question a lot more of the things he stated.
If it was changed, then this would go under the communications issues experienced.
So, it sounds like it was #1, but I'd like a confirmation one more time.
I know it's more anecdotal evidence, but I know that i have received variants of event crew from event packs before they were available in the general portal pool. For example, during either the Contingency Plan rerun in August or Gates of Hell in September, I straight-up (read: not in a behold) received Sheriff Worf from one event pack (both events were Worf events: Civil War and Trader, respectively). I also got Duchamps from a Gates of Hell event pack. Both were added to the general portal pool in Oct (during the Discovery mega-event). I also remember receiving Tommy Gun Dixon when he was still limited-time-only from the Convergence Day event pack back in Jan (he was added to the pool in Feb), as well as straight-up from the event with Admiral Picard (that was in a pack that had the error with Augment Picard instead of the event crew Admiral Picard/Assimilated Janeway)
Event packs drop event crew "straight-up". All other crew appear as beholds, with the exception of variants of event crew (I was totally hoping for a Doctor Chapel to show up so I could finally FF her)
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Bought 5 packs.
1 Leo, 3 Chapel, 1 Seven.
No variants of Seven but direct drops of 2 RP Reed and 1 Tactical Burnham.
I'm guessing those should have been 4* Seven variants or Chapel variants.
Let's keep harping on it, so those of us that cannot do a Pack until Friday can be sure we do NOT get either of them, since people will not drop it, until it is "corrected"......
Scott
"Always" in the experience of the poster. Official word from DB? Closest is that Shan knows NOTHING about this "rule".......
Scott
This! Also, thank you, Sisko!
8 - Temporal Sevens
5 - Chapels
6 - 4* Beholds
2 - 5* Beholds
That is not a thing. If it were it would be part of the info text for the pack, as it would be a pretty significant detail needing to be mentioned.
In that case, does this mean that event crew are going right into general distribution after events end? So, for example, Tactical Burnham is available with standard pulls as well as event pulls?
Shan, this is why you get a bad reputation. There may not have been a written "rule" to this extent, but players have noticed this was true in practice. The characters showing up now are clearly stale characters from previous events. This is a copy/paste bug from the previous event, just like the threshold reward mistakes. Own up to the mistake and help get it fixed, don't double down on "no written rule."
The wiki is created by players, so it's not really binding on DB at all. I also remember reading that passage, and I thought maybe DB had said something like that on the old forums (and possibly where the wiki editors got that information), but I can't find it. Maybe I just read it on the wiki and forgot where I had seen it.
So, first off,
Hi!
Also, we are all talking about two different things here.
1) The current event pack loot table contained drops from both the current 3 featured crew (Daystrom Award) but also the crew from the previous faction event, The Akritian Job. Everyone who pulled a 650DIL pack *did* get one of the three promised featured crew - however they also appeared statistically probable to also receive a straight drop of someone from TAJ. Correct in the assumption that this isn't a "bad" thing, but still it is incorrect setup of the available loot table and needs to be brought to the staff attention, as it may have unintended consequences elsewhere. Of all the 'hiccups' that have happened with packs or loot, this one certainly is a user friendly.
B ) The concept that a featured crew is highly favored to drop other related, yet non-featured crew. I wish I had a cute name or acronym. Sisko - not that Sisko but the other Sisko - is correct that across my and his data, which is well over 10,000 premium portal pulls, there is a statistical favoring of an event pack to produce a purple/gold drop of a feature crew variant.
Does it happen all the time? No.
Is it frequent enough that it's 'a thing' among those who pull a lot? Yes.
Shan went back and investigated B, which is what she replied about - not 1. Michael Burnham should not be in the 'general population' loot pool just yet, so no one should technically be getting her in this portal. However what Shan was referring to was there is no coding or blatant favoritism for the portal mechanic to give you someone related to the feature character as a cool bonus.
While that's likely the truth that no one coded it, what we have observed through our data and what may be happening is a case of 'happy accidents' - IE the portal favors anyone with a name the same as the featured crew - and not because it's coded that way but because it wasn't coded not to.
Anywho, no pitchforks to be found around here. Just letting the staff know we observed an error. The forums tend to be the fastest way to get that direct communication, and that's all that was being done.
While the pack was working correctly as far as the event crew featured in the pack was concerned, the loot table also included crew from a previous event. Crew like Tactical Michael Burnham for instance, which is not yet available in regular premium pulls.
This has now been corrected.
While this has not compromised the validity of the event pack itself, as the guaranteed event crew for a 10-pack was not affected, we regret that such an error occurred.
If you are unhappy about having received Tactical Michael Burnham, Rura Penthe Reed, Disguised Kira or Delta Flyer Paris, for a purchase made before the fix, please submit a ticket and PS will work with you on a case by case basis.
I don't know if you got someone you had FF and you can get CS to swap it for another crew, I'd say that's worth a ticket.
Thanks for the update Shan.
So you've changed this or Nod was wrong when he told us it was a "thing" on the old forums?
I don't know what Nod said on this. When we talked to the designers today, they did say it was something that was considered at one point, but they decided not to implement it. That may be what Nod was referring to, or perhaps he thought it was going to be implemented. There's also a chance it was an experiment he ran on some of the packs.
It's definitely not a thing now.
Civilian, Brand and Marketing
Ex-Disruptor Beam
In this very post you DB guys and gals are making contradictory statements. I used to work as a management consultant, and it's almost painful to see easily fixable errors cropping up like this week after week. I earnestly suggest that DB take a look at sending its employees to some project management and communication seminars so you can put out the polished finished product that we all want from you.
Proud Former Officer of The Gluten Empire
Retired 12-14-20. So long, and thanks for all the cat pics!
My theory was always that a behold was created but there is some mechanism that auto picks the featured character for you. While this would cause favoritism for the event characters it would not be the same as the original favoritism code that Nod wrote about.
Posting a non sequitur is fun.
You're right. After the Constipated Kirkpocalypse, the favoritism was said to be turned down some. That's the post that I was looking for.
However, it's still behavior that was known to exist. I frequently get straight drops of character variants. For example, in the BO Dax event, I got a straight drop of Lt Cmdr Dax. Others in my fleet were experiencing the same behavior as well. To say it's never been a thing just isn't correct.
Proud Former Officer of The Gluten Empire
Retired 12-14-20. So long, and thanks for all the cat pics!
I could be wrong but I think all 3 stars variants had been taken out of event packs to prevent 9 warp Kirk's from invading. That's what made Jazz Riker and the new Spock valuable at the time. You couldn't buy them and had to earn them. (and Jazz is still only in the Federation store)
Alot of the information shared here probably wasn't typed out. It probably came from the streams when they still had them FYI. That's why old timers remember the info and it was posted to the wiki.
Source: https://forums.disruptorbeam.com/stt/viewthread/54059/
Proud Former Officer of The Gluten Empire
Retired 12-14-20. So long, and thanks for all the cat pics!
That’s a fake post on a fake thread planted by Russian hackers... 🙃
So this begs a question.
Was Nod wrong, or did this change.
If Nod was wrong, then I'm going to feel the need to question a lot more of the things he stated.
If it was changed, then this would go under the communications issues experienced.
So, it sounds like it was #1, but I'd like a confirmation one more time.
Event packs drop event crew "straight-up". All other crew appear as beholds, with the exception of variants of event crew (I was totally hoping for a Doctor Chapel to show up so I could finally FF her)