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"The trouble with Tuvix" or "We've created monster!"
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I have not been able to fuse Tuvix for some time. I lstarted leveling both Chef Neelix and Sec Tuvok.. I never got the fuse button. I got frustrated and immortalized Neelix and left Tuvok at 3*/level99. I finally got another Neelix and hope to do it right this time. Any advise? 
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Consider participating in civil discourse, understanding the Tardigrade, and wandering with the Subspace Eddies.
True, but most ppl are just too lazy to check, search and read.
Which is why it is great that someone links it when something is discussed that it can answer.
10 points for making me laugh!
Janeway's decision to kill Tuvix just to bring back her friend and Kes' weird boyfriend (I wish this was a storyline that never existed) has never sat well with me. To me, it always came off as a selfish decision since Tuvix had Tuvok and Neelix's abilities and could perform Tuvok's duties without being a boring statue. Whenever I watch the episode it breaks my heart to see the Voyager crew just stand there quietly while Tuvix pleads for his life. Great episode.
Well, yes, but... it's one of those moral conundrums that has no good answer. Like this philosophical question: if you were driving an out-of-control vehicle, would you choose to run down (and likely kill) your best friend/lover/family member, rather than run your vehicle into a large crowd of mothers with their young children?
In this case, besides the "logical" considerations of losing two crew members to gain one new one, the emotional considerations are huge. If your significant other was merged with another person and you would never have that person back again in the same way that they were before, I think you would likely want to go through with the procedure in order to get them back. It is selfish, but that in itself doesn't make it wrong. Or right, really. I agree with you that such an episode which explores those very gray, very dark areas, is what makes for incredibly compelling drama.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
As opposed to a transporter malfunction separating someone into good and evil versions? Or sending them to an evil parallel universe? Or deflecting back and creating an exact duplicate? Or transforming their bodies into children - with appropriate sized uniforms no less?
Haven't seen the kid episode. 😀 I think part of the issue is that the transporter was pure magic and the writers could never decide how it was supposed to function technically. Sometimes people got lost in transit, sometimes they were in a "pattern buffer", sometimes weird crap like Tuvix. Pretty janky tech if you ask me.
Don't forget Bones. What does it mean when the doctors don't trust the transporters?
Anyway, I always thought of it as a parallel to flying - the statistics say flying is the safest mode of transportation today, just like the transporter.
Sure... but I have a couple million miles in a plane and have had not problems (aborted landing in Dubrovnik yesterday was the first ever for me) whereas it seemed like the transporter malfunctioned or caused some funky stuff (evil clones, zapping you to a parallel universe, transporting you into vacuum, or just not working for x reason) every other episode in TOS... If I’d seen as many screw ups as Bones, I’d be paranoid about the damned thing scrambling my molecules across the galaxy too !!!
Geordi addressed that - there are millions of successful transports compared to a few incidents. On the shows, we see the high profile incidents. Just like on the news we see plane crashes. Someone who thinks flying is dangerous doesn't think about all the flights that don't crash. That's the parallel they drew.
Oh I get that... but the crew of the Enterprise must be the most unlucky in the galaxy because for all the other millions of successful transports in the rest of the galaxy, they got the problems and failures virtually every episode.
The equivalent would be a commercial pilot whose personal experience is engine failures, mechanical problems, and the occasional crash landing every couple of flights... but manages to survive every time. if Ihat happened to me, I’d be as jaded as Bones as well...
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
I remember we were debating (yes I’m that old) prior to TNG release if the transporter would keep failing like in TOS (it didn’t) and if they would keep the classic “expendable crewman” aka “red shirts” whose only purpose was to beam down with the captain and get killed before the intro credits.
Those of us weaned in TOS are always leery of the transporter... I mean, they even killed two people at the beginning of TMP movie in a transporter “accident” for no reason other than to show us (and reinforce Bones existing phobia) that transporters still sucked 15 years after TOS. Those who grew up on TNG and later don’t have the same phobia as they seemed to not kill, maim, clone, etc. as much as they did on TOS. The Tuvix episode on Voyager was a rare exception, in TOS it happened virtually every episode.
"Well Mrs. Summers it looks like you have breast cancer. We could give you a mastectomy, but we've got 2 people downstairs in need of organ transplants and you're a match. An orderly will be by in a moment to escort you to the execution chamber."
In this case it would be like returning the donated organs to the original donors. Is it better to kill one to let two live? And at what point does killing an individual to save many make actuarial sense? A plot device straight out of a freshman philosophy class.
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