As stated by AviTrek, the problem is they try and make it seem like it’s for the player benifit. There’s nothing wrong with them making money. Just come out and say it.
Hopefully they make galaxy events 7 days long. That would be great business. DB will wind up like radio shack using that strategy.
I'm saying the extra day isn't the issue that you people keep making it. It really didn't affect how I played. It didn't seem to impact anything really in terms of score and chronotron exependiture required for the top 1000.
DB is not going to say "hey guys we're totally doing this to increase our profit for the quarter" no business would. Do you expect a store to say we're running this promotion because we hope it will increase our sales? That's insane.
I'm saying it's understood that everything DB does is designed to increase their profit. That's called business. Complaining about it is not only futile, it demonstrates you don't understand that the primary purpose of this game, and all games, is to make as much money as possible. Do you think that companies create games just to be nice? No, it's a business just like any other. They have investors. They have to make revenue or there is no more game. It is as simple as that.
Once again you are saying it didn’t effect anything, BUT they made more money. Contradictory?
It absolutely made a difference at the 1000 level, which I am at regulary. You are top 50? I believe there was no effect at that level.
I don’t want 5 day galaxy events. Many others don’t either. I’ve read so many posts in the last year of people who skip 4 day galaxy. Always makes me laugh. The consumer is crying out for new types of events and weekends off.
This could easily be settled by a poll. DB will do what they want either way, but just because they THINK they are going to make more money doesn’t mean they will in the long run.
You miss the point. And it didn't matter for me to finish at 420. It mattered where around level 50 people were 500,000 points ahead of the people just under them. The point is it is stupid to complain about it. A poll would be meaningless because people that use the forums are a very small self-selected group that are predisposed to complaining. That's why the vast majority of players never even think about coming to the forum. Besides that, this game is not a democracy. The developers set the terms and rules of the game and you either accept them and play or you don't.
Whining about companies trying to earn money is very childish behavior. They aren't going to make changes that hurt their bottom line at the end of the day no matter how much you whine and complain about it.
And for the record I don't play everyday during a galaxy event. It isn't required to obtain a very high score. It's about having enough chronotrons to do supply missions. If you have enough you can do the missions in any combination of 1,2,3,4, or 5 days and spend the exact same amount of chronotrons.
You are missing the point because you are one of the few making this argument. If the consumer wants to complain about the product they are entitled to. Ever heard of yelp? How about the product ratings for amazon? Usually there isn’t someone who responds to every review with, “They are entitled to make money.”
You worked at radio shack for 12 years. It’s gone. No one liked it. You’re not an expert on profitability.
I said a poll would be meaningless. All you did was repeat what I wrote, so I’m glad you agree.
No one is whining about them making money. You are so fanatical about this. It wouldn’t shock me if you owned the company.
You already stated multiple times that you only need 1 day. So why are u soooooo adamantly arguing for the extra day.
This is really enjoyable. Almost as fun as a 5 day galaxy event.
You are missing the point because you are one of the few making this argument. If the consumer wants to complain about the product they are entitled to. Ever heard of yelp? How about the product ratings for amazon? Usually there isn’t someone who responds to every review with, “They are entitled to make money.”
You worked at radio shack for 12 years. It’s gone. No one liked it. You’re not an expert on profitability.
I said a poll would be meaningless. All you did was repeat what I wrote, so I’m glad you agree.
No one is whining about them making money. You are so fanatical about this. It wouldn’t shock me if you owned the company.
You already stated multiple times that you only need 1 day. So why are u soooooo adamantly arguing for the extra day.
This is really enjoyable. Almost as fun as a 5 day galaxy event.
I just want you guys to stop incessantly whining about things that aren't going to change and do not matter. I worked at Radio Shack 12 years ago, not for 12 years. And at that time, we were doing pretty well. I made a ton of money selling cellphones, gps devices when they first started gaining traction, and HDTVs when they first started coming out. The market changed after that with more people shopping for electronics online. That's what put Radio Shack out of business for what it matters.
I don't work for the company. I just really can't believe all the people that feel it necessary to **tsk tsk** and moan about every single aspect of this game. You constantly make arguments about how "the big spenders" are ruining the game for you and how "DB is just doing this to drive their profits" as if those people and DB are doing something wrong. I'm not one of the few people who thinks as I do. I am one of the few people that actually came to the forum looking for game-related information and became distracted by the crybabies and whiners that jam up these boards with silly complaints over and over and over.
I've been trying to point out logically why this particular issue isn't worth complaining about with facts. All I get in response is "but I don't like it. greedy db is just trying to line their pockets." I don't care one way or the other about how long the event is. I'm tired of the complaining in general about things that aren't going to change, like DB being interested in making money.
I like the game. I don't think it's unfairly set up. And I feel like the developers have bent over backwards to make sure that free-to-play players can fully play the game. You probably won't win any events as a free to play player, but such is life. Nice things cost money, I'm completely OK with this concept.
... I am one of the few people that actually came to the forum looking for game-related information and became distracted by the crybabies and whiners...
And...there was your mistake. Just do your thing, have fun, and ignore them. Not worth it.
If I think about having now about 120 fully leveled crew and try to exhaust them all with non-expiring tickets, this gives me nightmares. With expiring tickets it would be probably bearable, but this will also be x hours of clicking and clacking (depending on how many tickets per day).
Much less clicking than the 5 day galaxy events. I can steam through my daily tickets in an our or two. I just get all the crit bonuses and don't worry about exhausting my crew. It is alot less frustrating than before where there was a RND chance of getting the crit reward for each mission resulting in frustration, and much cursing.
Expeditions are much better now and less clicking than galaxy events
Honestly I'd rather have no event than extended ones. A shorter event would be fine too, but really, why bother? Give us 1000 chrons and call it an off weekend.
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Honestly I'd rather have no event than extended ones. A shorter event would be fine too, but really, why bother? Give us 1000 chrons and call it an off weekend.
DB is not a charity that gives stuff away, holidaze or not. But, yes please, a weekend off every month would be greatly appreciated by most of us (who frequent these here fora, anyway).
"In the short run, the game defines the players. But in the long run, it's us players who define the game." — Nicky Case, The Evolution of Trust
Honestly I'd rather have no event than extended ones. A shorter event would be fine too, but really, why bother? Give us 1000 chrons and call it an off weekend.
DB is not a charity that gives stuff away, holidaze or not. But, yes please, a weekend off every month would be greatly appreciated by most of us (who frequent these here fora, anyway).
You can have a weekend off anytime you wish. Just don't play. It is not required. I like weekly events, but I don't feel obligated to participate if I have other things that I would rather be doing. The world won't end if you don't play in an event.
Isn't it a bit arrogant and presumptuous to assume that everyone wants a week of no event happening just because that is what you want?
Honestly I'd rather have no event than extended ones. A shorter event would be fine too, but really, why bother? Give us 1000 chrons and call it an off weekend.
DB is not a charity that gives stuff away, holidaze or not. But, yes please, a weekend off every month would be greatly appreciated by most of us (who frequent these here fora, anyway).
You can have a weekend off anytime you wish. Just don't play. It is not required. I like weekly events, but I don't feel obligated to participate if I have other things that I would rather be doing. The world won't end if you don't play in an event.
Isn't it a bit arrogant and presumptuous to assume that everyone wants a week of no event happening just because that is what you want?
I have taken off from several events. The underlying issue is DB’s continuing introduction of new crew, for which some players are unhappy. New cards are outpacing players’ ability to immortalize them, given the cap on crew slots (to which I am no where close).
"In the short run, the game defines the players. But in the long run, it's us players who define the game." — Nicky Case, The Evolution of Trust
Honestly I'd rather have no event than extended ones. A shorter event would be fine too, but really, why bother? Give us 1000 chrons and call it an off weekend.
DB is not a charity that gives stuff away, holidaze or not. But, yes please, a weekend off every month would be greatly appreciated by most of us (who frequent these here fora, anyway).
You can have a weekend off anytime you wish. Just don't play. It is not required. I like weekly events, but I don't feel obligated to participate if I have other things that I would rather be doing. The world won't end if you don't play in an event.
Isn't it a bit arrogant and presumptuous to assume that everyone wants a week of no event happening just because that is what you want?
I have taken off from several events. The underlying issue is DB’s continuing introduction of new crew, for which some players are unhappy. New cards are outpacing players’ ability to immortalize them, given the cap on crew slots (to which I am no where close).
I fail to see how this is a problem. You don't have to get every card or level it up as soon as it is available. I've got plenty sitting on my bench that I'll work on when I either get them fully fused or don't have anyone else to work on. Why would you be unhappy new cards are being introduced? There are plenty of cards I don't have that I'd probably very much appreciate having, and I'll either get them someday or I won't. But it doesn't hurt me that other people might get cards that I don't have. That's pretty much what makes the game interesting. I'm glad there are so many cards being added.
Honestly I'd rather have no event than extended ones. A shorter event would be fine too, but really, why bother? Give us 1000 chrons and call it an off weekend.
DB is not a charity that gives stuff away, holidaze or not. But, yes please, a weekend off every month would be greatly appreciated by most of us (who frequent these here fora, anyway).
You can have a weekend off anytime you wish. Just don't play. It is not required. I like weekly events, but I don't feel obligated to participate if I have other things that I would rather be doing. The world won't end if you don't play in an event.
Isn't it a bit arrogant and presumptuous to assume that everyone wants a week of no event happening just because that is what you want?
I have taken off from several events. The underlying issue is DB’s continuing introduction of new crew, for which some players are unhappy. New cards are outpacing players’ ability to immortalize them, given the cap on crew slots (to which I am no where close).
I fail to see how this is a problem. You don't have to get every card or level it up as soon as it is available. I've got plenty sitting on my bench that I'll work on when I either get them fully fused or don't have anyone else to work on. Why would you be unhappy new cards are being introduced? There are plenty of cards I don't have that I'd probably very much appreciate having, and I'll either get them someday or I won't. But it doesn't hurt me that other people might get cards that I don't have. That's pretty much what makes the game interesting. I'm glad there are so many cards being added.
I agree with most of this. What I referred to was the “collector mentality”, wherein a player feels a need to have every crew member that has been introduced. I do not share this mentality.
"In the short run, the game defines the players. But in the long run, it's us players who define the game." — Nicky Case, The Evolution of Trust
I don't mind a 5 day faction, it'll be a little boring going for an extra day, but it'll be fine. I don't mind a 5 day Galaxy either because since Voyages came out they are too much hassle to play. It's just too big a time sink and the thresholds peter out far too early. A hybrid again won't make much difference because I am unlikely to bother with the Galaxy part, but more likely than a pure Galaxy.
But by far the worst would be an expedition event. They are the *most* tedious stuff in this game. Don't even hit low thresholds in those (though of course I have to hit 25k I assume in each of them to get Beefcake Picard).
So yeah, if it has to 5 days long I vote for 2 weeks of pure faction.
I don't mind a 5 day faction, it'll be a little boring going for an extra day, but it'll be fine. I don't mind a 5 day Galaxy either because since Voyages came out they are too much hassle to play. It's just too big a time sink and the thresholds peter out far too early. A hybrid again won't make much difference because I am unlikely to bother with the Galaxy part, but more likely than a pure Galaxy.
But by far the worst would be an expedition event. They are the *most* tedious stuff in this game. Don't even hit low thresholds in those (though of course I have to hit 25k I assume in each of them to get Beefcake Picard).
So yeah, if it has to 5 days long I vote for 2 weeks of pure faction.
See everyone has an opinion of what they personally like, which is why I'm glad none of you actually get to decide what we get. If the choice is galaxy vs faction, give me galaxy every time. I can plan ahead for those and burn my chronotrons in one 3-4 hour long session of supply missions (doing them on Steam is much faster than on a phone BTW). Then I'm more or less done with the event except for minimal supply missions to maintain my spot.
Faction missions means I've got to check in every 3 hours which is way more of a time commitment than a galaxy event. Plus, I do other things in my life and can't always stop every 3 hours to rotate my shuttles. Everyone has their favorites. And that's why I am glad that we have both event types. But a long faction event would be one that I played for threshold rewards and then bailed. I'm not going to spend 5 days checking in on a 3 hour basis. I can't believe that any of you would actually want such a thing.
But if that type of event were to happen, I would never start a thread complaining about it. I just would play the thresholds and be done with it.
I don't mind a 5 day faction, it'll be a little boring going for an extra day, but it'll be fine. I don't mind a 5 day Galaxy either because since Voyages came out they are too much hassle to play. It's just too big a time sink and the thresholds peter out far too early. A hybrid again won't make much difference because I am unlikely to bother with the Galaxy part, but more likely than a pure Galaxy.
But by far the worst would be an expedition event. They are the *most* tedious stuff in this game. Don't even hit low thresholds in those (though of course I have to hit 25k I assume in each of them to get Beefcake Picard).
So yeah, if it has to 5 days long I vote for 2 weeks of pure faction.
The way you talk about the game, you sound like you don't even really like it very much. Why do you still play it if it's so tedious and so much work? I stop doing things that are optional activities if I don't enjoy doing them. If I ever get to a point that a game feels like tedious work for me, that's one game I'll no longer be playing. There's too many other games and other activities out there to spend my free time playing games I don't enjoy. But that is just me.
Because it's not really a game, it's a card collecting hobby where I can gamble real money to get the cards and then throw them through an RNG engine to potentially get more cards.
I really do like the cards though, especially the ones with voicework. And I like Star Trek, and I like levelling things. And in truth, I like games too, but STT bears very little resemblance to one.
I never liked the mission mechanic, it's waaay too slow when it's just a simple dice roll, it's not like there is any skill involved. And expeditions take that mechanic and run with it, so yeah, they are the worst. I like Voyages a lot currently, because it really makes you think about what cards to keep active and what ones to freeze.
Gauntlet just doesn't have enough depth to it so once you have 8 to 10 cards you are mostly done. The ship battles are fine, but the loot is terrible.
Anything that you are under pressure to do (all events) tend toward tediousness. It's a normal hazard of the genre. But I like winning and getting the cards, so I play... Simple cost/benefit stuff.
I am personally against the extended event. But with that being said, during the last extended event I only played on Monday and made it to rank 475. It was a pain and took between 7-8k chrons, but I did get my Honey Bare!
I am personally against the extended event. But with that being said, during the last extended event I only played on Monday and made it to rank 475. It was a pain and took between 7-8k chrons, but I did get my Honey Bare!
Which, as I've been saying, is the same amount you need every week to be competitive. If you've got them and spend them, then you'll win. Otherwise you won't. The number of days are irrelevant.
I am personally against the extended event. But with that being said, during the last extended event I only played on Monday and made it to rank 475. It was a pain and took between 7-8k chrons, but I did get my Honey Bare!
Which, as I've been saying, is the same amount you need every week to be competitive. If you've got them and spend them, then you'll win. Otherwise you won't. The number of days are irrelevant.
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You are missing the point because you are one of the few making this argument. If the consumer wants to complain about the product they are entitled to. Ever heard of yelp? How about the product ratings for amazon? Usually there isn’t someone who responds to every review with, “They are entitled to make money.”
You worked at radio shack for 12 years. It’s gone. No one liked it. You’re not an expert on profitability.
I said a poll would be meaningless. All you did was repeat what I wrote, so I’m glad you agree.
No one is whining about them making money. You are so fanatical about this. It wouldn’t shock me if you owned the company.
You already stated multiple times that you only need 1 day. So why are u soooooo adamantly arguing for the extra day.
This is really enjoyable. Almost as fun as a 5 day galaxy event.
I just want you guys to stop incessantly whining about things that aren't going to change and do not matter. I worked at Radio Shack 12 years ago, not for 12 years. And at that time, we were doing pretty well. I made a ton of money selling cellphones, gps devices when they first started gaining traction, and HDTVs when they first started coming out. The market changed after that with more people shopping for electronics online. That's what put Radio Shack out of business for what it matters.
I don't work for the company. I just really can't believe all the people that feel it necessary to **tsk tsk** and moan about every single aspect of this game. You constantly make arguments about how "the big spenders" are ruining the game for you and how "DB is just doing this to drive their profits" as if those people and DB are doing something wrong. I'm not one of the few people who thinks as I do. I am one of the few people that actually came to the forum looking for game-related information and became distracted by the crybabies and whiners that jam up these boards with silly complaints over and over and over.
I've been trying to point out logically why this particular issue isn't worth complaining about with facts. All I get in response is "but I don't like it. greedy db is just trying to line their pockets." I don't care one way or the other about how long the event is. I'm tired of the complaining in general about things that aren't going to change, like DB being interested in making money.
I like the game. I don't think it's unfairly set up. And I feel like the developers have bent over backwards to make sure that free-to-play players can fully play the game. You probably won't win any events as a free to play player, but such is life. Nice things cost money, I'm completely OK with this concept.
Expeditions are much better now and less clicking than galaxy events
Why would that be? Has that been said by DB? Do they not know how their own game works?
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DB is not a charity that gives stuff away, holidaze or not. But, yes please, a weekend off every month would be greatly appreciated by most of us (who frequent these here fora, anyway).
You can have a weekend off anytime you wish. Just don't play. It is not required. I like weekly events, but I don't feel obligated to participate if I have other things that I would rather be doing. The world won't end if you don't play in an event.
Isn't it a bit arrogant and presumptuous to assume that everyone wants a week of no event happening just because that is what you want?
I have taken off from several events. The underlying issue is DB’s continuing introduction of new crew, for which some players are unhappy. New cards are outpacing players’ ability to immortalize them, given the cap on crew slots (to which I am no where close).
I fail to see how this is a problem. You don't have to get every card or level it up as soon as it is available. I've got plenty sitting on my bench that I'll work on when I either get them fully fused or don't have anyone else to work on. Why would you be unhappy new cards are being introduced? There are plenty of cards I don't have that I'd probably very much appreciate having, and I'll either get them someday or I won't. But it doesn't hurt me that other people might get cards that I don't have. That's pretty much what makes the game interesting. I'm glad there are so many cards being added.
I agree with most of this. What I referred to was the “collector mentality”, wherein a player feels a need to have every crew member that has been introduced. I do not share this mentality.
But by far the worst would be an expedition event. They are the *most* tedious stuff in this game. Don't even hit low thresholds in those (though of course I have to hit 25k I assume in each of them to get Beefcake Picard).
So yeah, if it has to 5 days long I vote for 2 weeks of pure faction.
See everyone has an opinion of what they personally like, which is why I'm glad none of you actually get to decide what we get. If the choice is galaxy vs faction, give me galaxy every time. I can plan ahead for those and burn my chronotrons in one 3-4 hour long session of supply missions (doing them on Steam is much faster than on a phone BTW). Then I'm more or less done with the event except for minimal supply missions to maintain my spot.
Faction missions means I've got to check in every 3 hours which is way more of a time commitment than a galaxy event. Plus, I do other things in my life and can't always stop every 3 hours to rotate my shuttles. Everyone has their favorites. And that's why I am glad that we have both event types. But a long faction event would be one that I played for threshold rewards and then bailed. I'm not going to spend 5 days checking in on a 3 hour basis. I can't believe that any of you would actually want such a thing.
But if that type of event were to happen, I would never start a thread complaining about it. I just would play the thresholds and be done with it.
The way you talk about the game, you sound like you don't even really like it very much. Why do you still play it if it's so tedious and so much work? I stop doing things that are optional activities if I don't enjoy doing them. If I ever get to a point that a game feels like tedious work for me, that's one game I'll no longer be playing. There's too many other games and other activities out there to spend my free time playing games I don't enjoy. But that is just me.
I really do like the cards though, especially the ones with voicework. And I like Star Trek, and I like levelling things. And in truth, I like games too, but STT bears very little resemblance to one.
I never liked the mission mechanic, it's waaay too slow when it's just a simple dice roll, it's not like there is any skill involved. And expeditions take that mechanic and run with it, so yeah, they are the worst. I like Voyages a lot currently, because it really makes you think about what cards to keep active and what ones to freeze.
Gauntlet just doesn't have enough depth to it so once you have 8 to 10 cards you are mostly done. The ship battles are fine, but the loot is terrible.
Anything that you are under pressure to do (all events) tend toward tediousness. It's a normal hazard of the genre. But I like winning and getting the cards, so I play... Simple cost/benefit stuff.
Which, as I've been saying, is the same amount you need every week to be competitive. If you've got them and spend them, then you'll win. Otherwise you won't. The number of days are irrelevant.
It’s relevant if you want first place