Don't flag Mr. Kite's post because you don't agree with it. Flagging is for spam, not a dislike button.
I would agree if this was just an opinion but the post is basically a troll. Many forums will flag and remove trolling posts
I think your definition of trolling is unnecessarily broad. Trolling is not merely stating something that a lot of people have already stated the opposite of, which is what the OP was. It was given from the get-go as an opinion, and an "unpopular" one, at that — and it was not abusive nor did it sling personal insults — so it is a far cry from overt trolling, whether or not you agree with what was said.
Its borderline, looking at the subject line. Was it intended to give voice to an unpopular decision or to incite a response? Its somewhere in the grey area.
Who knows, besides the OP? Perhaps it was a little of both. But even if it was, as you call it, borderline, the flag option really shouldn't be used for posts like that, but rather for two things only: spam and abuse. Neither of which were employed by the OP in that post. I feel like it's a slippery slope when people start coming up with their own definitions of which posts are "trolling", as suddenly it's open season on anyone who voices an unpopular opinion.
One particular post of mine (which I won't dredge up now, but it stirred up a lot of responses) got 5 flags from people who apparently thought I was trolling. However, due to the subject in question, I actually wear those flags as a badge of honor. ;-)
Has the original poster stayed with the debate to argue his points? Or has he thrown an unpopular opinion out there and has just sat back and watched the chaos.
That is the big difference between a troll and someone who has an unpopular opinion.
Has the original poster stayed with the debate to argue his points? Or has he thrown an unpopular opinion out there and has just sat back and watched the chaos.
That is the big difference between a troll and someone who has an unpopular opinion.
But see, again, you're ascribing intention where you don't know intention. But to play devil's advocate, allow me to do the same: perhaps he felt frustrated seeing all the complaints and wanted to just put it out there that not everyone felt the same way; or perhaps he legitimately wanted to open up a discussion about the topic. As far as staying to argue his points, maybe he felt he'd said everything he needed to say, and couldn't improve upon it by follow-ups? I took a moment to look at his profile, and this particular person has only posted a limited amount of times on this forum, but it's obvious from looking at even those few discussions of his, that trolling is not his raison d'être, if you will.
You'll note that his post got 14 "awesome" votes, which means that a fair amount of people obviously agree with him. And there are a couple of reply posts which mention similar opinions. But neither of those things is really germane to your assertion... to assign him a label of "troll" requires one to make a number of assumptions, whereas actual, true trolling is so blatantly obvious to nearly everyone that it should require no such leaps of supposition.
I'm not here to defend his statement, but I do defend his right to say it.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing. ~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
Has the original poster stayed with the debate to argue his points? Or has he thrown an unpopular opinion out there and has just sat back and watched the chaos.
That is the big difference between a troll and someone who has an unpopular opinion.
But see, again, you're ascribing intention where you don't know intention. But to play devil's advocate, allow me to do the same: perhaps he felt frustrated seeing all the complaints and wanted to just put it out there that not everyone felt the same way; or perhaps he legitimately wanted to open up a discussion about the topic. As far as staying to argue his points, maybe he felt he'd said everything he needed to say, and couldn't improve upon it by follow-ups? I took a moment to look at his profile, and this particular person has only posted a limited amount of times on this forum, but it's obvious from looking at even those few discussions of his, that trolling is not his raison d'être, if you will.
You'll note that his post got 14 "awesome" votes, which means that a fair amount of people obviously agree with him. And there are a couple of reply posts which mention similar opinions. But neither of those things is really germane to your assertion... to assign him a label of "troll" requires one to make a number of assumptions, whereas actual, true trolling is so blatantly obvious to nearly everyone that it should require no such leaps of supposition.
I'm not here to defend his statement, but I do defend his right to say it.
Again just because people support his views doesn't mean that the original comment is not a troll.
I have been on internet forums where outright racist and homophobic abuse has been upticked.
True trolling is actually comments which people take seriously and don't instantly pick up as trolling attempts.
I would argue that some of his previous comments have been more troll worthy than this one, and this one is basically throwing a lighted match into a firework factory and closing the door.
You might not considering him to be a troll but this article telling people who have a valid concern with DB to basically **tsk tsk** it up is.
Someone earlier spoke about fraud, and while I don't consider this to really be a criminal matter it technically can be considered a fraud if people paid money on the understanding that getting a free Picard was not going to possible.
Why I am wasting my time giving my opinion is beyond me, but here we go.
Timelines crashes or bugs more than any game I have ever played (apart from GTA Online but that is connection rather than bugs). I am not frustrated because it crashes because they say sorry with useful stuff. Yes, I pay to play.
I had a 4/5 Picard, now he's 5/5. I was happy with that gift too.
What does frustrate me is the general Star Trek gaming experience. We never get good games. If you compare Star Trek games across all platform to Star Wars, let's say, we are sorely behind in quality and stability. Compare Star Trek Online to Battlefront, there is no comparison.
Timelines crashes and bugs, but it should. It's a Star Trek game. We can't expect anything else.
So true about Trek games. There are dozens of Star Wars games that have come and gone (sunset) for every Trek game that ever gets releaesed. What are our options? Trexels, Wraith of Gems? No thanks. As much guff as STO receives if I could play it on mobile I would greatly reduce the amount of time I spend on STT.
One of the reasons I like Voyages is it’s the most Trek feeling addition to the game since launch. (Even if it’s pretty much a clone of the Fallout Shelter mini game)
Guantlet is an example of a feature copied from other games (pretty much every single CCG) that has no Star Trek feeling to it at all.
Don't flag Mr. Kite's post because you don't agree with it. Flagging is for spam, not a dislike button.
I would agree if this was just an opinion but the post is basically a troll. Many forums will flag and remove trolling posts
I think your definition of trolling is unnecessarily broad. Trolling is not merely stating something that a lot of people have already stated the opposite of, which is what the OP was. It was given from the get-go as an opinion, and an "unpopular" one, at that — and it was not abusive nor did it sling personal insults — so it is a far cry from overt trolling, whether or not you agree with what was said.
Trolling doesn't have to be offensive and any post which is designed to wind people up and annoy is a troll.
The original poster has posted an unpopular opinion to wind people up and then stepped back from the debate. This is clear trolling behaviour (usually a troll will only return occasionally to stoke the debate).
The fact that you can't see that this is a troll just shows that the original poster knows what he is doing
It's not trolling to be genuinely disgusted at the level of entitlement and whinging on this forum. I can't get over the reaction to this myself. No one was worse off, DB did make a mistake and that still needs to be corrected, but the pitchforks that game out over the free Picard was truly BS. It's why Steam doesn't do the fun sales anymore too, because there is a terrible culture of 'wahhh, it's now cheaper, I feel bad!' There's not even genuine competition in this game so it's doubly ridiculous here.
I thought Star Trek fandom was supposed to be slightly more enlightened than most, but honestly ye bullied DB into capitulation on this one, plain and simple and they didn't do anything terrible (except be inconsistent in their response).
I agree some moderation should be in effect, however moderation has never led to change here.
Hmmmm... no, I don't think you've understood what I meant. I'm not advocating moderation or censorship of these users, beyond their own self-moderation.
I'm sorry, I started writing a long reply, but I just can't be bothered. I don't care enough. I haven't been painting everyone here with a "broad brush", but there certainly are enough noisy, unpleasant characters here that it makes me embarrassed to be part of the same group with them. Just look at Hunter247's post above suggesting that there may be a case for fraud! Absolutely ridiculous, and it's beyond my empathy to understand how someone could write such a thing.
Like Thurthorad mentions, I expected better from the Star Trek fandom. Maybe the people posting hateful, petulant comments have their excuses. Maybe they have terrible lives, trapped in terrible marriages, with terrible jobs. Maybe their parents never taught them to be nice to others. Maybe they literally are still children. But my face is hurting from all the face-palming I've been doing reading some of the selfish, self-entitled comments at this forum this week.
I'll simply be avoiding threads like this from now on.
It's not trolling to be genuinely disgusted at the level of entitlement and whinging on this forum. I can't get over the reaction to this myself. No one was worse off, DB did make a mistake and that still needs to be corrected, but the pitchforks that game out over the free Picard was truly *hugs*. It's why Steam doesn't do the fun sales anymore too, because there is a terrible culture of 'wahhh, it's now cheaper, I feel bad!' There's not even genuine competition in this game so it's doubly ridiculous here.
I thought Star Trek fandom was supposed to be slightly more enlightened than most, but honestly ye bullied DB into capitulation on this one, plain and simple and they didn't do anything terrible (except be inconsistent in their response).
If you can't understand why people would get upset other something being given away for free days after they might have paid for it having only paid for it because they were led to believe it would not be possible to get it for free you are clearly a fool.
And you argue that nobody was worse off - well it depends on the criteria. Someone who paid $25 dollars or local equivalent for something that is given away to everybody for free IS financially worse off than if they hadn't bought it. For those who completed Picard they got an award worth 550 honour. However, someone who had not completed Picard got an award worth 50,000 honour. So one group is worse off than the other.
If they had simply given 50,000 in honour to everybody everybody would have been treated equally - I don't know how this is so hard for some people to understand.
To throw crap at people who have a genuine complaint is simple trolling (especially as the last line of the comment was basically saying "Flame on")
I agree some moderation should be in effect, however moderation has never led to change here.
Just look at Hunter247's post above suggesting that there may be a case for fraud! Absolutely ridiculous, and it's beyond my empathy to understand how someone could write such a thing.
As one of the definitions of fraud is "Wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain." giving the impression that the only way to obtain something is by paying is technically fraud - although it would not meet any criminal definition - which I clearly stated.
However, even so in the UK there have been cases of fraud where someone has deceived people into paying money for a free service
There are clearly users who felt that their only way to obtain the last star for Picard was via actual or virtual currency - which turned out to be false
Although, the police would rightfully laugh at anyone who tried to follow up a criminal claim (although a civil claim has a much lower bar for success)
It's not trolling to be genuinely disgusted at the level of entitlement and whinging on this forum. I can't get over the reaction to this myself. No one was worse off, DB did make a mistake and that still needs to be corrected, but the pitchforks that game out over the free Picard was truly *hugs*. It's why Steam doesn't do the fun sales anymore too, because there is a terrible culture of 'wahhh, it's now cheaper, I feel bad!' There's not even genuine competition in this game so it's doubly ridiculous here.
I thought Star Trek fandom was supposed to be slightly more enlightened than most, but honestly ye bullied DB into capitulation on this one, plain and simple and they didn't do anything terrible (except be inconsistent in their response).
If you can't understand why people would get upset other something being given away for free days after they might have paid for it having only paid for it because they were led to believe it would not be possible to get it for free you are clearly a fool.
And you argue that nobody was worse off - well it depends on the criteria. Someone who paid $25 dollars or local equivalent for something that is given away to everybody for free IS financially worse off than if they hadn't bought it. For those who completed Picard they got an award worth 550 honour. However, someone who had not completed Picard got an award worth 50,000 honour. So one group is worse off than the other.
If they had simply given 50,000 in honour to everybody everybody would have been treated equally - I don't know how this is so hard for some people to understand.
To throw crap at people who have a genuine complaint is simple trolling (especially as the last line of the comment was basically saying "Flame on")
I don't think you understand that you are not *actually* worse off, you just *feel* worse off. You still have your Picard which you felt was worth $25, that hasn't changed at all. In fact you have a bonus 550 honor (or you can level another Picard if you want). It's just you interpreting it as a loss, perhaps willfully.
There were mistakes made, but the genuine criticism of them has gotten drowned out in the battlecrys for 50k honor which is totally unjustified. As mentioned elsewhere most of ye weren't even negatively affected by the outage. You are just leveraging the situation to extract an advantage. It's disgusting how someones generosity could be abused this way.
And it might make DB less generous in the future so you are just making it worse for everyone in the long run. Total selfish idiotic behaviour. If CS's responses hadn't been inconsistent I would hope that DB would have ignored ye and I know most of ye would have come to your senses in time. But once one CS agent gave out the 50k honor I think DB were forced to give everyone it, so you should celebrate that person.
I agree some moderation should be in effect, however moderation has never led to change here.
Just look at Hunter247's post above suggesting that there may be a case for fraud! Absolutely ridiculous, and it's beyond my empathy to understand how someone could write such a thing.
As one of the definitions of fraud is "Wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain." giving the impression that the only way to obtain something is by paying is technically fraud - although it would not meet any criminal definition - which I clearly stated.
However, even so in the UK there have been cases of fraud where someone has deceived people into paying money for a free service
There are clearly users who felt that their only way to obtain the last star for Picard was via actual or virtual currency - which turned out to be false
Although, the police would rightfully laugh at anyone who tried to follow up a criminal claim (although a civil claim has a much lower bar for success)
We already knew that wasn't true. They have been in post event packs, themed packs, dabo, etc. Can DB be blamed for the ignorance of players? Not to mention that you still got another Picard and can keep him. I didn't, but it's also free honour.
She was in the Borg pack, yes. Mega event characters have not been exclusive to mega events. There was no reason to think that would change with Mirror Picard, but give people a chance to whine and complain and they will always do it.
The Borg Queen has yet to appear in the main circulation despite all of this time. Being featured in a random Borg pack for a few days is hardly the same as her being available from any random Portal pull. For the pack, you had to spend Dilithium, so unless you had Dilithium stacking up due to Achievement awards, you had to spend money to get her. That is still a far cry from DB sending a 1/5 Borg Queen (example) to every single player as "compensation" immediately after the Borg Mega-event ended and after they made it clear getting her last star would be impossible otherwise.
Your chances of getting a specific 5* from the general pool are almost nil. Of course she was available in a themed pack and of course you would have to spend dilithium. That's how you get any 5* that you want. The point is that she was available outside of the event, just like Picard is right now.
Again, not the same thing. She also appeared months after she premiered, so there was a good period of time between the event and her reappearance in a themed pack. Picard was just in the event and then given to everyone for free within an hour or two of it ending.
Ok, we're making progress here. You understand that previous mega event characters may be available after the conclusion of the event. Can we also conclude that Picard may be available after the event? Yes, he is right now as a matter of fact.
If you rush to complete a character that may be available in the future then you run the risk of getting that same character at some point in time. Whether it is 2 days after the event or 2 years after the event, the result is exactly the same.
If I had 5/5 Merry Worf, I wouldn't hate on DB for giving him away. It's a nice gesture and unfortunately I made a bad decision. Oh well, move on.
You are not getting it. DB had established that Mega-event exclusive 5*s would not be readily available to obtain after the events concluded, so you would have to spend money or Honor to get the last star or be stuck with a 4/5 for an extended period of time until they so happened to appear in a themed pack or finally placed in general circulation way after the fact. All other event crew are held back for a few months or so prior to being placed in that circulation, but it is understood by those that spend money to obtain them one way or another when their premiere event is live that eventually they would be readily available in any sort of Portal pull come time. No one whines when their immortal 5* crew from X event a few months prior gets added to the main circulation because that is what happens on a normal basis.
With Mega-event exclusive 5*'s, DB made it specifically clear that during the month the event takes place is the only time you can obtain said crew on a guaranteed basis. They operate differently from normal event crew in that manner. We know that eventually they, too, will appear again for purchase, but outside of the Mega-event themed pack that appears right after the month wraps up, said crew will not be available for a long while. You still have to pay for them in that pack and hope the RNG is good to you with that in order to obtain a crew that was essentially free for four weeks straight. The same would happen should they have appeared months down the line in another themed pack.
With this instance, a fifth Picard was granted for free for seemingly no good reason at all, ultimately going against what they have advertised since May Mega-event exclusive 5* crew would be. Will Scarlet was out for a year already and was already readily available in circulation for several months, which is why if any complaining about that was done, it was done by people who will literally complain about everything under the sun and will never be happy about anything if it does not fit their personal narrative.
Yes, we understand that Picard would eventually have been available in other packs sometime in the future, but that is not what we are complaining about. The principal of the matter is that DB completely went against their word that has been established for eight months now and screwed over many players, from the "whales" to those who are free-to-play and every type of player in between.
Yes, it is the unexpected reversal that has many of us feeling like "victims," and nobody likes being a victim but that's exactly what we are. Some may even call it fraud. I personally feel like a victim because my 5/5 mPicard that I invested in was literally my very first full 5/5 crew in the entire game....and to then just give it away for free to everyone else just cheapened him. He feels like a total Comment moderated. ˜Shan now...
Wow, this thread needed a giant "Do not feed the trolls" sign, because there is a massive amount of troll feed being thrown around and no responses whatsoever from the OP.... tsk tsk
Resolution of the Picard issue is simple, and I'm doing it myself: Patiently and politely ask for a swap of that extra Picard for honour or a citation. Those f2p players unable or unwilling to spend to upgrade him have him FF now, and the ones who already had him FF before the end of the mega event get a replacement freebie. Because that's exactly what it was... An apology freebie. No need to scream and shout
Yes, it is the unexpected reversal that has many of us feeling like "victims," and nobody likes being a victim but that's exactly what we are. Some may even call it fraud. I personally feel like a victim because my 5/5 mPicard that I invested in was literally my very first full 5/5 crew in the entire game....and to then just give it away for free to everyone else just cheapened him. He feels like a total sluuuut now...
You get that that's because you value the exclusivity rather than his actual value as one of the best FF 5*s in the game, right? And I gotta tell you, he wasn't that exclusive anyway, as apparently there were a lot of us with him FF'd, so it's all kinda dumb getting upset about it.
It goes beyond the Picard gift. This game has its defacto economy that we all deal with one way or another, whales or minnows. But then this came along and destabilized what we thought we knew about it, it made folks go "Whoa!"
It goes beyond the Picard gift. This game has its defacto economy that we all deal with one way or another, whales or minnows. But then this came along and destabilized what we thought we knew about it, it made folks go "Whoa!"
There's no real economy as there is no ability to trade between players. The only inputs are money and time and the only outputs are cards and bits to upgrade cards and in between is an RNG engine. It's not that sophisticated.
When I saw the extra Picard I did go "Whoa!", but it was "Whoa, that's very generous, I think a lot of people are going to be happy about that!". And a few hours later I came to the forums and saw the torches and the pitchforks and I rolled my eyes. People are the worst.
I don't think you understand that you are not *actually* worse off, you just *feel* worse off. You still have your Picard which you felt was worth $25, that hasn't changed at all. In fact you have a bonus 550 honor (or you can level another Picard if you want). It's just you interpreting it as a loss, perhaps willfully.
I don't think you understand the point I am making - everybody is better off than they would be if there was no free Picard. So on that basis everybody is better off than they were before the message.
However, people who "paid" for the Picard are worse off for having done so.
Lets look at the honour cost, buying the last Picard with honour would cost 50,000 while selling an additional Picard only returns 500.
If someone had not bought the Picard they would have more honour as a result of the free Picard than someone who bought Picard - they are literally worse off by 49,500 honour for doing something compared to doing nothing.
This is basic maths I am not sure why you don't seem to understand this
There were mistakes made, but the genuine criticism of them has gotten drowned out in the battlecrys for 50k honor which is totally unjustified. As mentioned elsewhere most of ye weren't even negatively affected by the outage. You are just leveraging the situation to extract an advantage. It's disgusting how someones generosity could be abused this way.
And it might make DB less generous in the future so you are just making it worse for everyone in the long run. Total selfish idiotic behaviour. If CS's responses hadn't been inconsistent I would hope that DB would have ignored ye and I know most of ye would have come to your senses in time. But once one CS agent gave out the 50k honor I think DB were forced to give everyone it, so you should celebrate that person.
The mistake that was made was to provide compensation that benefited some players more than others. Most people who have a problem with this are not asking for additional compensation they are asking for EQUIVALENT compensation (as I have shown above this was not the case)
There are clearly users who felt that their only way to obtain the last star for Picard was via actual or virtual currency - which turned out to be false
Although, the police would rightfully laugh at anyone who tried to follow up a criminal claim (although a civil claim has a much lower bar for success)
We already knew that wasn't true. They have been in post event packs, themed packs, dabo, etc. Can DB be blamed for the ignorance of players? Not to mention that you still got another Picard and can keep him. I didn't, but it's also free honour.
Can I ask how you buy your post event packs, themed packs, dabo etc without spending actual or virtual currency? When I look to buy an event pack it costs 650 DIL and that gives a small chance of getting a Legendary.
If you are a free to play player you will need to FF dozens of characters to get enough for a single roll of that dice, and the chance of getting a gold on the one daily play of Dabo which uses a FTP currency is tiny (and getting one of the mega event featured characters is even smaller as I have personally never seen one on there).
To suggest that players could have expected a Picard to become available without either paying with a virtual currency or actual real world money is complete and utter nonsense.
When I saw the extra Picard I did go "Whoa!", but it was "Whoa, that's very generous, I think a lot of people are going to be happy about that!". And a few hours later I came to the forums and saw the torches and the pitchforks and I rolled my eyes. People are the worst.
If you didn't think that people who had spent money (virtual or real) to buy the character would feel annoyed you must be one of the senior managers at DB.
There are clearly users who felt that their only way to obtain the last star for Picard was via actual or virtual currency - which turned out to be false
Although, the police would rightfully laugh at anyone who tried to follow up a criminal claim (although a civil claim has a much lower bar for success)
We already knew that wasn't true. They have been in post event packs, themed packs, dabo, etc. Can DB be blamed for the ignorance of players? Not to mention that you still got another Picard and can keep him. I didn't, but it's also free honour.
Can I ask how you buy your post event packs, themed packs, dabo etc without spending actual or virtual currency? When I look to buy an event pack it costs 650 DIL and that gives a small chance of getting a Legendary.
If you are a free to play player you will need to FF dozens of characters to get enough for a single roll of that dice, and the chance of getting a gold on the one daily play of Dabo which uses a FTP currency is tiny (and getting one of the mega event featured characters is even smaller as I have personally never seen one on there).
To suggest that players could have expected a Picard to become available without either paying with a virtual currency or actual real world money is complete and utter nonsense.
Well if he ever gets added to the normal premium pool there are the Community reward packs that you get with a Galaxy event. Though to your other point, that's a very low chance given the size of the pool. I don't believe the Mega Overarching characters have ever been added to that pool though, have they?
Well if he ever gets added to the normal premium pool there are the Community reward packs that you get with a Galaxy event. Though to your other point, that's a very low chance given the size of the pool. I don't believe the Mega Overarching characters have ever been added to that pool though, have they?
From what I understand the Mega event focus legendary characters are not part of that pool (but the only people who can really answer that would be someone from DB)
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Has the original poster stayed with the debate to argue his points? Or has he thrown an unpopular opinion out there and has just sat back and watched the chaos.
That is the big difference between a troll and someone who has an unpopular opinion.
But see, again, you're ascribing intention where you don't know intention. But to play devil's advocate, allow me to do the same: perhaps he felt frustrated seeing all the complaints and wanted to just put it out there that not everyone felt the same way; or perhaps he legitimately wanted to open up a discussion about the topic. As far as staying to argue his points, maybe he felt he'd said everything he needed to say, and couldn't improve upon it by follow-ups? I took a moment to look at his profile, and this particular person has only posted a limited amount of times on this forum, but it's obvious from looking at even those few discussions of his, that trolling is not his raison d'être, if you will.
You'll note that his post got 14 "awesome" votes, which means that a fair amount of people obviously agree with him. And there are a couple of reply posts which mention similar opinions. But neither of those things is really germane to your assertion... to assign him a label of "troll" requires one to make a number of assumptions, whereas actual, true trolling is so blatantly obvious to nearly everyone that it should require no such leaps of supposition.
I'm not here to defend his statement, but I do defend his right to say it.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
Again just because people support his views doesn't mean that the original comment is not a troll.
I have been on internet forums where outright racist and homophobic abuse has been upticked.
True trolling is actually comments which people take seriously and don't instantly pick up as trolling attempts.
I would argue that some of his previous comments have been more troll worthy than this one, and this one is basically throwing a lighted match into a firework factory and closing the door.
You might not considering him to be a troll but this article telling people who have a valid concern with DB to basically **tsk tsk** it up is.
Someone earlier spoke about fraud, and while I don't consider this to really be a criminal matter it technically can be considered a fraud if people paid money on the understanding that getting a free Picard was not going to possible.
So true about Trek games. There are dozens of Star Wars games that have come and gone (sunset) for every Trek game that ever gets releaesed. What are our options? Trexels, Wraith of Gems? No thanks. As much guff as STO receives if I could play it on mobile I would greatly reduce the amount of time I spend on STT.
One of the reasons I like Voyages is it’s the most Trek feeling addition to the game since launch. (Even if it’s pretty much a clone of the Fallout Shelter mini game)
Guantlet is an example of a feature copied from other games (pretty much every single CCG) that has no Star Trek feeling to it at all.
It's not trolling to be genuinely disgusted at the level of entitlement and whinging on this forum. I can't get over the reaction to this myself. No one was worse off, DB did make a mistake and that still needs to be corrected, but the pitchforks that game out over the free Picard was truly BS. It's why Steam doesn't do the fun sales anymore too, because there is a terrible culture of 'wahhh, it's now cheaper, I feel bad!' There's not even genuine competition in this game so it's doubly ridiculous here.
I thought Star Trek fandom was supposed to be slightly more enlightened than most, but honestly ye bullied DB into capitulation on this one, plain and simple and they didn't do anything terrible (except be inconsistent in their response).
Hmmmm... no, I don't think you've understood what I meant. I'm not advocating moderation or censorship of these users, beyond their own self-moderation.
I'm sorry, I started writing a long reply, but I just can't be bothered. I don't care enough. I haven't been painting everyone here with a "broad brush", but there certainly are enough noisy, unpleasant characters here that it makes me embarrassed to be part of the same group with them. Just look at Hunter247's post above suggesting that there may be a case for fraud! Absolutely ridiculous, and it's beyond my empathy to understand how someone could write such a thing.
Like Thurthorad mentions, I expected better from the Star Trek fandom. Maybe the people posting hateful, petulant comments have their excuses. Maybe they have terrible lives, trapped in terrible marriages, with terrible jobs. Maybe their parents never taught them to be nice to others. Maybe they literally are still children. But my face is hurting from all the face-palming I've been doing reading some of the selfish, self-entitled comments at this forum this week.
I'll simply be avoiding threads like this from now on.
If you can't understand why people would get upset other something being given away for free days after they might have paid for it having only paid for it because they were led to believe it would not be possible to get it for free you are clearly a fool.
And you argue that nobody was worse off - well it depends on the criteria. Someone who paid $25 dollars or local equivalent for something that is given away to everybody for free IS financially worse off than if they hadn't bought it. For those who completed Picard they got an award worth 550 honour. However, someone who had not completed Picard got an award worth 50,000 honour. So one group is worse off than the other.
If they had simply given 50,000 in honour to everybody everybody would have been treated equally - I don't know how this is so hard for some people to understand.
To throw crap at people who have a genuine complaint is simple trolling (especially as the last line of the comment was basically saying "Flame on")
As one of the definitions of fraud is "Wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain." giving the impression that the only way to obtain something is by paying is technically fraud - although it would not meet any criminal definition - which I clearly stated.
However, even so in the UK there have been cases of fraud where someone has deceived people into paying money for a free service
There are clearly users who felt that their only way to obtain the last star for Picard was via actual or virtual currency - which turned out to be false
Although, the police would rightfully laugh at anyone who tried to follow up a criminal claim (although a civil claim has a much lower bar for success)
I don't think you understand that you are not *actually* worse off, you just *feel* worse off. You still have your Picard which you felt was worth $25, that hasn't changed at all. In fact you have a bonus 550 honor (or you can level another Picard if you want). It's just you interpreting it as a loss, perhaps willfully.
There were mistakes made, but the genuine criticism of them has gotten drowned out in the battlecrys for 50k honor which is totally unjustified. As mentioned elsewhere most of ye weren't even negatively affected by the outage. You are just leveraging the situation to extract an advantage. It's disgusting how someones generosity could be abused this way.
And it might make DB less generous in the future so you are just making it worse for everyone in the long run. Total selfish idiotic behaviour. If CS's responses hadn't been inconsistent I would hope that DB would have ignored ye and I know most of ye would have come to your senses in time. But once one CS agent gave out the 50k honor I think DB were forced to give everyone it, so you should celebrate that person.
We already knew that wasn't true. They have been in post event packs, themed packs, dabo, etc. Can DB be blamed for the ignorance of players? Not to mention that you still got another Picard and can keep him. I didn't, but it's also free honour.
Yes, it is the unexpected reversal that has many of us feeling like "victims," and nobody likes being a victim but that's exactly what we are. Some may even call it fraud. I personally feel like a victim because my 5/5 mPicard that I invested in was literally my very first full 5/5 crew in the entire game....and to then just give it away for free to everyone else just cheapened him. He feels like a total Comment moderated. ˜Shan now...
You get that that's because you value the exclusivity rather than his actual value as one of the best FF 5*s in the game, right? And I gotta tell you, he wasn't that exclusive anyway, as apparently there were a lot of us with him FF'd, so it's all kinda dumb getting upset about it.
There's no real economy as there is no ability to trade between players. The only inputs are money and time and the only outputs are cards and bits to upgrade cards and in between is an RNG engine. It's not that sophisticated.
When I saw the extra Picard I did go "Whoa!", but it was "Whoa, that's very generous, I think a lot of people are going to be happy about that!". And a few hours later I came to the forums and saw the torches and the pitchforks and I rolled my eyes. People are the worst.
I don't think you understand the point I am making - everybody is better off than they would be if there was no free Picard. So on that basis everybody is better off than they were before the message.
However, people who "paid" for the Picard are worse off for having done so.
Lets look at the honour cost, buying the last Picard with honour would cost 50,000 while selling an additional Picard only returns 500.
If someone had not bought the Picard they would have more honour as a result of the free Picard than someone who bought Picard - they are literally worse off by 49,500 honour for doing something compared to doing nothing.
This is basic maths I am not sure why you don't seem to understand this
The mistake that was made was to provide compensation that benefited some players more than others. Most people who have a problem with this are not asking for additional compensation they are asking for EQUIVALENT compensation (as I have shown above this was not the case)
I have a hard time imagining any compensation that doesn't benefit some players more than others.
Can I ask how you buy your post event packs, themed packs, dabo etc without spending actual or virtual currency? When I look to buy an event pack it costs 650 DIL and that gives a small chance of getting a Legendary.
If you are a free to play player you will need to FF dozens of characters to get enough for a single roll of that dice, and the chance of getting a gold on the one daily play of Dabo which uses a FTP currency is tiny (and getting one of the mega event featured characters is even smaller as I have personally never seen one on there).
To suggest that players could have expected a Picard to become available without either paying with a virtual currency or actual real world money is complete and utter nonsense.
If you didn't think that people who had spent money (virtual or real) to buy the character would feel annoyed you must be one of the senior managers at DB.
Well if he ever gets added to the normal premium pool there are the Community reward packs that you get with a Galaxy event. Though to your other point, that's a very low chance given the size of the pool. I don't believe the Mega Overarching characters have ever been added to that pool though, have they?
From what I understand the Mega event focus legendary characters are not part of that pool (but the only people who can really answer that would be someone from DB)