I don’t suppose that there is any chance that Festive Dax will be a threshold reward...
This is literally my life.
The problem is, Hoshi, Paris, and Phlox all have their own 2* variant, so I doubt it. ):
There should be an event where the rewards are:
2* Festive Jadzia Dax
3* Jazz Musician Riker
4* Threshold and Rank rewards should just be Super Rare Honor Citations
5* Behold of Locutus of Borg, Bartender Guinan, and a Legendary Honor Citation
I think most of us would play the heck out of that event. The battle for ranked rewards would be a blood bath.
I don’t suppose that there is any chance that Festive Dax will be a threshold reward...
This is literally my life.
The problem is, Hoshi, Paris, and Phlox all have their own 2* variant, so I doubt it. ):
There should be an event where the rewards are:
2* Festive Jadzia Dax
3* Jazz Musician Riker
4* Threshold and Rank rewards should just be Super Rare Honor Citations
5* Behold of Locutus of Borg, Bartender Guinan, and a Legendary Honor Citation
IS TOM PARIS GOING TO BE THE ENG/SCI/MED COMBO WE'VE ALWAYS WANTED??????
We already have two ENG/SCI/MED combos???
Leonardo da Vinci and The Caretaker.
Caretaker do not count - he's pure RNG thing. Da Vinci is gold and so is whale + non-whale part of top1000 (well, "I bought just one pack, I'm not whale!" RNG too) and will not drop in normal circulation for a year (if they will add him and not Jazz Muzician him). Paris is puple so much more people would be able to get him if they care. Everybody if he's threshold.
I mean I'm all for more ENG/MED/SCI combo characters, but you can't be willfully stubborn and just decide The Caretaker and Leo don't count because you either don't have them or they aren't a breeze to get. They still count, sorry about your or others' luck, but they still count.
If you are playing a largely super-rares game, they don't count for much. We had a similar discussion around Med crew - when we'd had some nice legendaries over the last 6 months but not a single super-rare.
Some of these things are really not easy to get.
I can concede that point, but the way DB has treated the ENG/MED/SCI combo as a rarest of the rare holy combo, then it kind of makes sense they won't part with it so likely on a 4-star.
Correction. Star Trek staff writers have treated the ENG/MED/SCI combo as a rarest of the rare holy combo. Quite frankly I think Paris is too much of a meathead to have the SCI skill anyways. Sometimes I'm surprised he didn't set the ship on fire every time he picked up a hyperspanner.
There are relatively few characters on that show that have exhibited all 3 of those skills at the same time. However, feel free to send angry messages to DB for not changing Feezal Phlox and Toby Russell to that skill set.
How is this the fault of the staff writers? I mean DB is who gets to choose what skills (within reason) certain characters have. In fact, your address of Feezal and Toby are perfect evidence of that.
Star Trek has made many characters which can embody all three of those skills, Feezal and Toby are an example of two of them. Others would be Bashir (from "Armageddon Game"), Phlox (from "Regeneration"), Kes (from "Persistence of Vision"), Kejal from ("Flesh and Blood"), Data (from "Thine Own Self"), Ma'Bor Jetrel (from "Jetrel"), Seven (from "Body and Soul"), Dr. Lewis Zimmerman (from multiple episodes) just to name a few.
Here are more if you need them. But it was down to DB to decide what skills they would actually have, not the Star Trek staff writers in my opinion.
So out of ~750 episodes of Star Trek we have a very small list of characters that are Sc/M/E. None of those appearances are the lead actors from their respective shows. Thanks for proving my point.
I've said it once and I'll say it again. Star Trek is a show where most characters are CSD. There are plenty of characters who are SCI, MED or ENG but not necessarily all three. But I guess since we have to have everything right now, you can be the STT Ambassador who gets to explain to new players who join up next year why there are no new Sc/M/E crew to add.
Wait a sec, did you just demote Bashir, Phlox, Kes, Data and Seven from being main cast from their respective shows?
IS TOM PARIS GOING TO BE THE ENG/SCI/MED COMBO WE'VE ALWAYS WANTED??????
We already have two ENG/SCI/MED combos???
Leonardo da Vinci and The Caretaker.
Caretaker do not count - he's pure RNG thing. Da Vinci is gold and so is whale + non-whale part of top1000 (well, "I bought just one pack, I'm not whale!" RNG too) and will not drop in normal circulation for a year (if they will add him and not Jazz Muzician him). Paris is puple so much more people would be able to get him if they care. Everybody if he's threshold.
I mean I'm all for more ENG/MED/SCI combo characters, but you can't be willfully stubborn and just decide The Caretaker and Leo don't count because you either don't have them or they aren't a breeze to get. They still count, sorry about your or others' luck, but they still count.
If you are playing a largely super-rares game, they don't count for much. We had a similar discussion around Med crew - when we'd had some nice legendaries over the last 6 months but not a single super-rare.
Some of these things are really not easy to get.
I can concede that point, but the way DB has treated the ENG/MED/SCI combo as a rarest of the rare holy combo, then it kind of makes sense they won't part with it so likely on a 4-star.
Correction. Star Trek staff writers have treated the ENG/MED/SCI combo as a rarest of the rare holy combo. Quite frankly I think Paris is too much of a meathead to have the SCI skill anyways. Sometimes I'm surprised he didn't set the ship on fire every time he picked up a hyperspanner.
There are relatively few characters on that show that have exhibited all 3 of those skills at the same time. However, feel free to send angry messages to DB for not changing Feezal Phlox and Toby Russell to that skill set.
How is this the fault of the staff writers? I mean DB is who gets to choose what skills (within reason) certain characters have. In fact, your address of Feezal and Toby are perfect evidence of that.
Star Trek has made many characters which can embody all three of those skills, Feezal and Toby are an example of two of them. Others would be Bashir (from "Armageddon Game"), Phlox (from "Regeneration"), Kes (from "Persistence of Vision"), Kejal from ("Flesh and Blood"), Data (from "Thine Own Self"), Ma'Bor Jetrel (from "Jetrel"), Seven (from "Body and Soul"), Dr. Lewis Zimmerman (from multiple episodes) just to name a few.
Here are more if you need them. But it was down to DB to decide what skills they would actually have, not the Star Trek staff writers in my opinion.
So out of ~750 episodes of Star Trek we have a very small list of characters that are Sc/M/E. None of those appearances are the lead actors from their respective shows. Thanks for proving my point.
I've said it once and I'll say it again. Star Trek is a show where most characters are CSD. There are plenty of characters who are SCI, MED or ENG but not necessarily all three. But I guess since we have to have everything right now, you can be the STT Ambassador who gets to explain to new players who join up next year why there are no new Sc/M/E crew to add.
Wait a sec, did you just demote Bashir, Phlox, Kes, Data and Seven from being main cast from their respective shows?
I’m not sure all of that list really qualifies for SCI/ENG/MED (all three). Maybe Phlox picked up a hyperspanner once or Data stuck a hypospray into someone but all three as main skills is a stretch.
I've said it once and I'll say it again. Star Trek is a show where most characters are CSD.
I think you've been in the Mirror Universe too long, Ivanstone.
In the Federation Universe Starfleet Officers were trained in multiple areas and took on many different roles depending on what was needed.
I'll have you go back and watch it all again, taking note of how many engineering stories there were, how often they needed a medical team, and how much science was actually used when studying nebulae and getting them from A to B.
There's science behind diplomacy and command, science and engineering behind military machines and warp drives, and there's always a crisis where medical personnel are rushed out to fix things.
Sure, Scotty and Geordi and B'Ellana were primarily engineers, but there is always science there too, and your top engineers need to command their crew and be diplomatic to get their parts on time and deal with the crew.
Medical skills are often paired with science, but you need some skills in diplomacy and command when dealing with recalcitrant Captains and crew, and when their patients have mechanical parts they must know a little about how to deal with mechanics. Nanoprobes, visors, cortical implants, etc etc etc.
Science is a huge field and covers everything from warp drives to studying star systems and planets, geology and climate and medicine.
There's plenty of stories about these things and you'll find that the main cast members aren't all diplomats and security and command. Spock McCoy and Scotty set the scene for that right from the first episodes!
IS TOM PARIS GOING TO BE THE ENG/SCI/MED COMBO WE'VE ALWAYS WANTED??????
We already have two ENG/SCI/MED combos???
Leonardo da Vinci and The Caretaker.
Caretaker do not count - he's pure RNG thing. Da Vinci is gold and so is whale + non-whale part of top1000 (well, "I bought just one pack, I'm not whale!" RNG too) and will not drop in normal circulation for a year (if they will add him and not Jazz Muzician him). Paris is puple so much more people would be able to get him if they care. Everybody if he's threshold.
I mean I'm all for more ENG/MED/SCI combo characters, but you can't be willfully stubborn and just decide The Caretaker and Leo don't count because you either don't have them or they aren't a breeze to get. They still count, sorry about your or others' luck, but they still count.
If you are playing a largely super-rares game, they don't count for much. We had a similar discussion around Med crew - when we'd had some nice legendaries over the last 6 months but not a single super-rare.
Some of these things are really not easy to get.
I can concede that point, but the way DB has treated the ENG/MED/SCI combo as a rarest of the rare holy combo, then it kind of makes sense they won't part with it so likely on a 4-star.
Correction. Star Trek staff writers have treated the ENG/MED/SCI combo as a rarest of the rare holy combo. Quite frankly I think Paris is too much of a meathead to have the SCI skill anyways. Sometimes I'm surprised he didn't set the ship on fire every time he picked up a hyperspanner.
There are relatively few characters on that show that have exhibited all 3 of those skills at the same time. However, feel free to send angry messages to DB for not changing Feezal Phlox and Toby Russell to that skill set.
How is this the fault of the staff writers? I mean DB is who gets to choose what skills (within reason) certain characters have. In fact, your address of Feezal and Toby are perfect evidence of that.
Star Trek has made many characters which can embody all three of those skills, Feezal and Toby are an example of two of them. Others would be Bashir (from "Armageddon Game"), Phlox (from "Regeneration"), Kes (from "Persistence of Vision"), Kejal from ("Flesh and Blood"), Data (from "Thine Own Self"), Ma'Bor Jetrel (from "Jetrel"), Seven (from "Body and Soul"), Dr. Lewis Zimmerman (from multiple episodes) just to name a few.
Here are more if you need them. But it was down to DB to decide what skills they would actually have, not the Star Trek staff writers in my opinion.
So out of ~750 episodes of Star Trek we have a very small list of characters that are Sc/M/E. None of those appearances are the lead actors from their respective shows. Thanks for proving my point.
I've said it once and I'll say it again. Star Trek is a show where most characters are CSD. There are plenty of characters who are SCI, MED or ENG but not necessarily all three. But I guess since we have to have everything right now, you can be the STT Ambassador who gets to explain to new players who join up next year why there are no new Sc/M/E crew to add.
Wait a sec, did you just demote Bashir, Phlox, Kes, Data and Seven from being main cast from their respective shows?
I’m not sure all of that list really qualifies for SCI/ENG/MED (all three). Maybe Phlox picked up a hyperspanner once or Data stuck a hypospray into someone but all three as main skills is a stretch.
Read upwards on the quotes as specific versions/examples were given... which the counter response was that they weren't main characters.
No, Changeling Bashir isn't actually Julian Bashir; for that matter, neither is Mirror Bashir. They both count as Bashir variants in events, though, and that's all that matters when it comes time to use skills.
There are a few others who can cover five skills, but no one else can do all six. I keep waiting for a Benjamin Sisko wearing the red shouldered uniform who has ENG (he did help design the U.S.S. Defiant, after all, and was instrumental in getting the I.S.S. Defiant up and running).
No, Changeling Bashir isn't actually Julian Bashir; for that matter, neither is Mirror Bashir. They both count as Bashir variants in events, though, and that's all that matters when it comes time to use skills.
There are a few others who can cover five skills, but no one else can do all six. I keep waiting for a Benjamin Sisko wearing the red shouldered uniform who has ENG (he did help design the U.S.S. Defiant, after all, and was instrumental in getting the I.S.S. Defiant up and running).
Faux Mirror Sisko? (i'd love the character, just not sure how he'd be labeled)
No, Changeling Bashir isn't actually Julian Bashir; for that matter, neither is Mirror Bashir. They both count as Bashir variants in events, though, and that's all that matters when it comes time to use skills.
I was under the impression that Changeling Bashir did not count as a Bashir variant? If he's a Bashir, then Black Pebble's recent justification of Duchamps not counting as a Worf variant (basically because he's not Worf but just looks like him) suddenly holds a lot less water.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing. ~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
No, Changeling Bashir isn't actually Julian Bashir; for that matter, neither is Mirror Bashir. They both count as Bashir variants in events, though, and that's all that matters when it comes time to use skills.
I was under the impression that Changeling Bashir did not count as a Bashir variant? If he's a Bashir, then Black Pebble's recent justification of Duchamps not counting as a Worf variant (basically because he's not Worf but just looks like him) suddenly holds a lot less water.
I could be wrong, but I thought Changeling B *does* count as a Bashir variant. And Duchamps should count as Worf. Isn't Honey a Day? And Komanov a Kira?
I don’t suppose that there is any chance that Festive Dax will be a threshold reward...
This is literally my life.
The problem is, Hoshi, Paris, and Phlox all have their own 2* variant, so I doubt it. ):
There should be an event where the rewards are:
2* Festive Jadzia Dax
3* Jazz Musician Riker
4* Threshold and Rank rewards should just be Super Rare Honor Citations
5* Behold of Locutus of Borg, Bartender Guinan, and a Legendary Honor Citation
Can you imagine how insane the competition would be?
Off the top of my head, there are still some canon ENG/MED/SCI crew DB could make:
Metaphasic Shield Tester Crusher
Cyberneticist Crusher (all the work she did on Data should net her some ENG)
Dr Juliana Tainer (I think she could get a token med rating)
Equinox crew that helped build the nucleonic-whozeits - that definitely required eng med sci
And those who have been previously mentioned in the forums:
Starfleet Engineering Extension Course Bashir (I think he's been mentioned in the forums before)
Cheesecake-Eating Fused Seven/Doctor (definitely mentioned in the forums)
You could also make the argument if Dr Toby Russell had any hand in designing the genotronic replicator, then she should get some ENG.
And any of the mirror doctors could get eng if they helped design any agonizers
I feel like there's at least one doctor that helped build some sort of bio-medical device. They would certainly qualify too.
Did Phlox's friend Dr Lucas help build and/or design any of the containment Systems at Cold Station 12? Oh, Arik Soong could get ENG instead of CMD, but both are justifiable
And on that note, DB should create Bridge Officer Crusher: MED/SCI/CMD
Of course, this doesn't stop DB from making non canon Characters that are eng med sci
No, Changeling Bashir isn't actually Julian Bashir; for that matter, neither is Mirror Bashir. They both count as Bashir variants in events, though, and that's all that matters when it comes time to use skills.
I was under the impression that Changeling Bashir did not count as a Bashir variant? If he's a Bashir, then Black Pebble's recent justification of Duchamps not counting as a Worf variant (basically because he's not Worf but just looks like him) suddenly holds a lot less water.
Changeling Bashir has counted as a Bashir variant in every event to feature Bashir to date:
When did @Black Pebble exclude Duchamps as a Worf variant? I missed that. In fact, the last event with Worf was "Fast As Light", wherein he featured as...Duchamps!
I haven't seen Black Pebble post about it, but if you look in the vault in the game Duchamps is not listed among the Worfs. Friar Tuck Data also isn't listed among the other Datas.
For Duchamps, Falcon, etc, the reason they’re sorting differently is they’re not considered O’Briens, Worfs. They’re not those crew in disguise, or holodeck creations inspired by the crew. They’re the result of a transporter accident that fused some the physical characteristics of the crew to the holodeck simulation. This is the same reason they’re not considered as variants for events.
Whether they should be grouped for easier sorting purposes in Cryostasis 2.0 is a different discussion.
Ezri, Eddington, Data, etc are a separate issue/bug from that.
EDIT: He actually backtracked on that point a little later in the thread...
But they have been variants for events in the past. Komananov was a bonus crew in Aktirian Job 2 when Kira was the event crew. And in the previous version Duschamps, Honey Bare, Falcon, Komananov, and Noah all were listed with the other variants for Worf, Jadzia, O'Brien, Kira, and Sisko.
You are correct that in many prior events, they were eligible as variant crew. I was mistaken on that point.
Let me confirm with the design team on that point tomorrow. My recollection was that there would be a distinction between the crew, but I may have misunderstood something.
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For Duchamps, Falcon, etc, the reason they’re sorting differently is they’re not considered O’Briens, Worfs. They’re not those crew in disguise, or holodeck creations inspired by the crew. They’re the result of a transporter accident that fused some the physical characteristics of the crew to the holodeck simulation. This is the same reason they’re not considered as variants for events.
Whether they should be grouped for easier sorting purposes in Cryostasis 2.0 is a different discussion.
Ezri, Eddington, Data, etc are a separate issue/bug from that.
EDIT: He actually backtracked on that point a little later in the thread...
But they have been variants for events in the past. Komananov was a bonus crew in Aktirian Job 2 when Kira was the event crew. And in the previous version Duschamps, Honey Bare, Falcon, Komananov, and Noah all were listed with the other variants for Worf, Jadzia, O'Brien, Kira, and Sisko.
You are correct that in many prior events, they were eligible as variant crew. I was mistaken on that point.
Let me confirm with the design team on that point tomorrow. My recollection was that there would be a distinction between the crew, but I may have misunderstood something.
Ah. Yeah, I missed that thread, but that's all consistent with what had been pretty obvious to me anyway. I just figured that Duchamps, et al, were counting as variants following the precedent established by Changeling Bashir--not actually them, but can pass for them.
What's gonna be obnoxious will be the next event to feature Worf. Duchamps should still count as a Worf variant, but Colonel Worf should not--he's clearly an entirely different person, the grandfather of the other Worf. I think we can already easily envision whole threads dedicated to arguing that one.
Might just be easier to never have another Worf event, really, unless it's to have Colonel Worf as the featured crew and count other Worfs as bonus. (Yeah, I know; "Voyage exclusive", blah, blah, blah. I want Colonel Worf, dammit!)
No, Changeling Bashir isn't actually Julian Bashir; for that matter, neither is Mirror Bashir. They both count as Bashir variants in events, though, and that's all that matters when it comes time to use skills.
There are a few others who can cover five skills, but no one else can do all six. I keep waiting for a Benjamin Sisko wearing the red shouldered uniform who has ENG (he did help design the U.S.S. Defiant, after all, and was instrumental in getting the I.S.S. Defiant up and running).
Faux Mirror Sisko? (i'd love the character, just not sure how he'd be labeled)
No, Changeling Bashir isn't actually Julian Bashir; for that matter, neither is Mirror Bashir. They both count as Bashir variants in events, though, and that's all that matters when it comes time to use skills.
There are a few others who can cover five skills, but no one else can do all six. I keep waiting for a Benjamin Sisko wearing the red shouldered uniform who has ENG (he did help design the U.S.S. Defiant, after all, and was instrumental in getting the I.S.S. Defiant up and running).
Faux Mirror Sisko? (i'd love the character, just not sure how he'd be labeled)
Saratoga Sisko would probably work too.
Explorers Sisko, who singlehandedly built a Bajoran light ship, gets my vote for engineering Sisko.
Question for the floor Why wouldn't Princess Jadzia have Exobiology as a trait?
Or Blood Oath Dax for that matter?
DB's error. She's still herself and an exobiologist - putting on a costume or going on a blood oath quest doesn't change that. Same goes for Gangster Spock.
(hopefully it'll be added before the event like they did when we pointed out that Ilia Probe was an Android)
No, Changeling Bashir isn't actually Julian Bashir; for that matter, neither is Mirror Bashir. They both count as Bashir variants in events, though, and that's all that matters when it comes time to use skills.
There are a few others who can cover five skills, but no one else can do all six. I keep waiting for a Benjamin Sisko wearing the red shouldered uniform who has ENG (he did help design the U.S.S. Defiant, after all, and was instrumental in getting the I.S.S. Defiant up and running).
Faux Mirror Sisko? (i'd love the character, just not sure how he'd be labeled)
Saratoga Sisko would probably work too.
Explorers Sisko, who singlehandedly built a Bajoran light ship, gets my vote for engineering Sisko.
Me too, but spare a thought for Crazy Clockbuilding Sisko.
It's actually super weird we don't have a Sisko with any engineering, given how much engineering his character did both on the show and in terms of backstory. I chalk it up to him being so overwhelmingly wonderful at command and negotiation and combat that it's easy to forget he's also had long experience on the engineering side of things too.
No, Changeling Bashir isn't actually Julian Bashir; for that matter, neither is Mirror Bashir. They both count as Bashir variants in events, though, and that's all that matters when it comes time to use skills.
There are a few others who can cover five skills, but no one else can do all six. I keep waiting for a Benjamin Sisko wearing the red shouldered uniform who has ENG (he did help design the U.S.S. Defiant, after all, and was instrumental in getting the I.S.S. Defiant up and running).
Faux Mirror Sisko? (i'd love the character, just not sure how he'd be labeled)
Saratoga Sisko would probably work too.
Explorers Sisko, who singlehandedly built a Bajoran light ship, gets my vote for engineering Sisko.
Me too, but spare a thought for Crazy Clockbuilding Sisko.
It's actually super weird we don't have a Sisko with any engineering, given how much engineering his character did both on the show and in terms of backstory. I chalk it up to him being so overwhelmingly wonderful at command and negotiation and combat that it's easy to forget he's also had long experience on the engineering side of things too.
Man Sisko's awesome.
He actually is.
He's also a god.
So there's that.
Seriously though, he should have an ENG variant, he did actually do a lot of that. And given his archaeological interests in Bajor, he could arguably have a SCI variant, from the episode with the ancient Bajoran obelisk thing. And an "Emissary" or "Prophet" version could have MED too.
Sisko Mega-Event when?
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This will not be changed for the event.
We might need to take a pass on crew with the "costumed" as it appears there is sometimes a lack of consistency with their traits. I will make sure to bring it up.
No, Changeling Bashir isn't actually Julian Bashir; for that matter, neither is Mirror Bashir. They both count as Bashir variants in events, though, and that's all that matters when it comes time to use skills.
There are a few others who can cover five skills, but no one else can do all six. I keep waiting for a Benjamin Sisko wearing the red shouldered uniform who has ENG (he did help design the U.S.S. Defiant, after all, and was instrumental in getting the I.S.S. Defiant up and running).
Faux Mirror Sisko? (i'd love the character, just not sure how he'd be labeled)
Saratoga Sisko would probably work too.
Explorers Sisko, who singlehandedly built a Bajoran light ship, gets my vote for engineering Sisko.
Me too, but spare a thought for Crazy Clockbuilding Sisko.
It's actually super weird we don't have a Sisko with any engineering, given how much engineering his character did both on the show and in terms of backstory. I chalk it up to him being so overwhelmingly wonderful at command and negotiation and combat that it's easy to forget he's also had long experience on the engineering side of things too.
Man Sisko's awesome.
He actually is.
He's also a god.
So there's that.
Seriously though, he should have an ENG variant, he did actually do a lot of that. And given his archaeological interests in Bajor, he could arguably have a SCI variant, from the episode with the ancient Bajoran obelisk thing. And an "Emissary" or "Prophet" version could have MED too.
Sisko Mega-Event when?
Well he kinda does have a SCI variant. Its just evil spy hologram villain one.
No, Changeling Bashir isn't actually Julian Bashir; for that matter, neither is Mirror Bashir. They both count as Bashir variants in events, though, and that's all that matters when it comes time to use skills.
There are a few others who can cover five skills, but no one else can do all six. I keep waiting for a Benjamin Sisko wearing the red shouldered uniform who has ENG (he did help design the U.S.S. Defiant, after all, and was instrumental in getting the I.S.S. Defiant up and running).
Faux Mirror Sisko? (i'd love the character, just not sure how he'd be labeled)
Saratoga Sisko would probably work too.
Explorers Sisko, who singlehandedly built a Bajoran light ship, gets my vote for engineering Sisko.
Me too, but spare a thought for Crazy Clockbuilding Sisko.
It's actually super weird we don't have a Sisko with any engineering, given how much engineering his character did both on the show and in terms of backstory. I chalk it up to him being so overwhelmingly wonderful at command and negotiation and combat that it's easy to forget he's also had long experience on the engineering side of things too.
Man Sisko's awesome.
He actually is.
He's also a god.
So there's that.
Seriously though, he should have an ENG variant, he did actually do a lot of that. And given his archaeological interests in Bajor, he could arguably have a SCI variant, from the episode with the ancient Bajoran obelisk thing. And an "Emissary" or "Prophet" version could have MED too.
Sisko Mega-Event when?
Well he kinda does have a SCI variant. Its just evil spy hologram villain one.
Yeah, I was going more for the real Sisko. :P
Chef Sisko could also have SCI. Because cooking.
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I think most of us would play the heck out of that event. The battle for ranked rewards would be a blood bath.
Edited for clarity.
But I have Festive Jadzia immortalized already!
Wait a sec, did you just demote Bashir, Phlox, Kes, Data and Seven from being main cast from their respective shows?
I’m not sure all of that list really qualifies for SCI/ENG/MED (all three). Maybe Phlox picked up a hyperspanner once or Data stuck a hypospray into someone but all three as main skills is a stretch.
I think you've been in the Mirror Universe too long, Ivanstone.
In the Federation Universe Starfleet Officers were trained in multiple areas and took on many different roles depending on what was needed.
I'll have you go back and watch it all again, taking note of how many engineering stories there were, how often they needed a medical team, and how much science was actually used when studying nebulae and getting them from A to B.
There's science behind diplomacy and command, science and engineering behind military machines and warp drives, and there's always a crisis where medical personnel are rushed out to fix things.
Sure, Scotty and Geordi and B'Ellana were primarily engineers, but there is always science there too, and your top engineers need to command their crew and be diplomatic to get their parts on time and deal with the crew.
Medical skills are often paired with science, but you need some skills in diplomacy and command when dealing with recalcitrant Captains and crew, and when their patients have mechanical parts they must know a little about how to deal with mechanics. Nanoprobes, visors, cortical implants, etc etc etc.
Science is a huge field and covers everything from warp drives to studying star systems and planets, geology and climate and medicine.
There's plenty of stories about these things and you'll find that the main cast members aren't all diplomats and security and command. Spock McCoy and Scotty set the scene for that right from the first episodes!
Read upwards on the quotes as specific versions/examples were given... which the counter response was that they weren't main characters.
CMD - Alternate Future Bashir; CMO Bashir; Racquetball Bashir
DIP - Bashir, Julian Bashir
ENG - Changeling Bashir; Mirror Bashir
SEC - Bashir, Julian Bashir; Changeling Bashir; Mirror Bashir; RAF Julian Bashir
MED - Alternate Future Bashir; Bashir, Julian Bashir; Changeling Bashir; CMO Bashir; Racquetball Bashir
SCI - Alternate Future Bashir; Racquetball Bashir
No, Changeling Bashir isn't actually Julian Bashir; for that matter, neither is Mirror Bashir. They both count as Bashir variants in events, though, and that's all that matters when it comes time to use skills.
There are a few others who can cover five skills, but no one else can do all six. I keep waiting for a Benjamin Sisko wearing the red shouldered uniform who has ENG (he did help design the U.S.S. Defiant, after all, and was instrumental in getting the I.S.S. Defiant up and running).
Faux Mirror Sisko? (i'd love the character, just not sure how he'd be labeled)
I was under the impression that Changeling Bashir did not count as a Bashir variant? If he's a Bashir, then Black Pebble's recent justification of Duchamps not counting as a Worf variant (basically because he's not Worf but just looks like him) suddenly holds a lot less water.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
I could be wrong, but I thought Changeling B *does* count as a Bashir variant. And Duchamps should count as Worf. Isn't Honey a Day? And Komanov a Kira?
Can you imagine how insane the competition would be?
Metaphasic Shield Tester Crusher
Cyberneticist Crusher (all the work she did on Data should net her some ENG)
Dr Juliana Tainer (I think she could get a token med rating)
Equinox crew that helped build the nucleonic-whozeits - that definitely required eng med sci
And those who have been previously mentioned in the forums:
Starfleet Engineering Extension Course Bashir (I think he's been mentioned in the forums before)
Cheesecake-Eating Fused Seven/Doctor (definitely mentioned in the forums)
You could also make the argument if Dr Toby Russell had any hand in designing the genotronic replicator, then she should get some ENG.
And any of the mirror doctors could get eng if they helped design any agonizers
I feel like there's at least one doctor that helped build some sort of bio-medical device. They would certainly qualify too.
Did Phlox's friend Dr Lucas help build and/or design any of the containment Systems at Cold Station 12? Oh, Arik Soong could get ENG instead of CMD, but both are justifiable
And on that note, DB should create Bridge Officer Crusher: MED/SCI/CMD
Of course, this doesn't stop DB from making non canon Characters that are eng med sci
Changeling Bashir has counted as a Bashir variant in every event to feature Bashir to date:
"Contingency Plan" (where Changeling Bashir debuted) 6/16/16
"The Second Battle of New York" 9/1/16
"Holograms Are Forever" 10/6/16
"The Second Battle of New York 2" 6/1/17
"Homestead" 8/17/17
When did @Black Pebble exclude Duchamps as a Worf variant? I missed that. In fact, the last event with Worf was "Fast As Light", wherein he featured as...Duchamps!
It was in a thread where we were asking about incorrectly alphabetized crew in the vault in STT v4.
EDIT: He actually backtracked on that point a little later in the thread...
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
Ah. Yeah, I missed that thread, but that's all consistent with what had been pretty obvious to me anyway. I just figured that Duchamps, et al, were counting as variants following the precedent established by Changeling Bashir--not actually them, but can pass for them.
What's gonna be obnoxious will be the next event to feature Worf. Duchamps should still count as a Worf variant, but Colonel Worf should not--he's clearly an entirely different person, the grandfather of the other Worf. I think we can already easily envision whole threads dedicated to arguing that one.
Might just be easier to never have another Worf event, really, unless it's to have Colonel Worf as the featured crew and count other Worfs as bonus. (Yeah, I know; "Voyage exclusive", blah, blah, blah. I want Colonel Worf, dammit!)
Is festive Jadzia that hard to get hold of? I’m sure I’ve airlocked a bunch and have her fffe
When we see even preview usually. Day before event.
Saratoga Sisko would probably work too.
She's not in the pool right now. She might have been for the duration of the event where she was introduced, but not since.
Or Blood Oath Dax for that matter?
Explorers Sisko, who singlehandedly built a Bajoran light ship, gets my vote for engineering Sisko.
DB's error. She's still herself and an exobiologist - putting on a costume or going on a blood oath quest doesn't change that. Same goes for Gangster Spock.
(hopefully it'll be added before the event like they did when we pointed out that Ilia Probe was an Android)
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Me too, but spare a thought for Crazy Clockbuilding Sisko.
It's actually super weird we don't have a Sisko with any engineering, given how much engineering his character did both on the show and in terms of backstory. I chalk it up to him being so overwhelmingly wonderful at command and negotiation and combat that it's easy to forget he's also had long experience on the engineering side of things too.
Man Sisko's awesome.
He actually is.
He's also a god.
So there's that.
Seriously though, he should have an ENG variant, he did actually do a lot of that. And given his archaeological interests in Bajor, he could arguably have a SCI variant, from the episode with the ancient Bajoran obelisk thing. And an "Emissary" or "Prophet" version could have MED too.
Sisko Mega-Event when?
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This will not be changed for the event.
We might need to take a pass on crew with the "costumed" as it appears there is sometimes a lack of consistency with their traits. I will make sure to bring it up.
Well he kinda does have a SCI variant. Its just evil spy hologram villain one.
Yeah, I was going more for the real Sisko. :P
Chef Sisko could also have SCI. Because cooking.
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