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milk
noun
an opaque white fluid rich in fat and protein, secreted by female mammals for the nourishment of their young.
"a healthy mother will produce enough milk for her baby"
My biology is a little rusty but have female soybeans or almonds started to secret fluids for their young? 😇😇😇
milk
noun
an opaque white fluid rich in fat and protein, secreted by female mammals for the nourishment of their young.
"a healthy mother will produce enough milk for her baby"
My biology is a little rusty but have female soybeans or almonds started to secret fluids for their young? 😇😇😇
People make milk out of those things. But see the definition says mammals. Plants are not mammals, or female in the mammal sense of the word. Either way, milk is awesome! Oberweis milk is nectar of the gods
The carbon footprint I get, and that's quite astonishing. I thought soy would have more of a footprint because the land cleared (rainforest) is just as destructive as clearing for cattle. I'm guessing it has something to do with methane production, luckily soy milk doesn't make me pass wind in the same way that beans do
However, I want to discuss the water footprint. Since water is essentially recycled endlessly through the weather system, I assume this has to do with removal of water from river systems and aquifers? (I'm thinking along the lines of how rice production impacts the Murray River and the Great Artesian Basin in Australia).
I mean essentially, you have two different mechanisms used to show the "footprint" of different things. The Carbon Footprint applies not to the amount of carbon consumed to make an item, but how much carbon (or other greenhouse gases, methane etc) is removed from one part of the "carbon cycle" (methane?) and turned into Carbon Dioxide, which subsequently impacts the climate.
Whereas, the second shows only the amount of water USED in production, it doesn't reference any climate or other environmental impact the use of water in production actually has. In an area where rainfall is high, for example, rice production isn't going to significantly have any impact on river systems or the climate. Whereas, where rainfall is low, rice production is going to have significant impact on local and regional river systems and possibly local weather patterns as a result of this.
I think you'll understand that I kept my initial post concise for several reasons. You bring up some interesting points, though all of the information you are looking for in available online. That said, here are some links relevant to a couple of your points of feedback:
Though I'd also suggest learning about Life-cycle assessments, which is particularly important given the interdependence of factors when discussing ecological impact/footprint.
The water does cycle through the weather via the hydrological cycle. Yet, it is useful to consider the Embodied energy, in this case embodied water. As well as the quality of the water as it is returned to that cycle. Some of the water used growing plants is "lost" through evapotranspiration, which returns to the hydrological cycle without contamination. However depending on how those crops are grown, particularly given that conventional agriculture is the predominate method for animal feed crops, fertilizer run-off is a serious concern. The run-off from Concentrated animal feeding operation (CAFO) is even worse.
So, although that water does eventually return to via the hydrological cycle, one needs to consider what it is carrying downstream as well as the rate of use vs the rate of replenishment. If the rate of consumption is higher than the rate of replenishment then that leads to water scarcity, and depletion of aquifers.
Also, in terms of replenishing the aquifers, one needs to consider the importance of intact watersheds for infiltration, which in many parts of the world have been degraded due to deforestation and overgrazing.
There will of course be variances in degree of impact depending on the specifics of a given situation, the data in those charts are aggregated. However, there are no ecosystems or energy flows between organisms on earth which are exceptions to the reality of the Ten percent law and tropic levels.
We are all downstream from each other and ourselves, therefore choose to be relaxed and groovy. Consider participating in civil discourse, understanding the Tardigrade, and wandering with the Subspace Eddies.
I think you'll understand that I kept my initial post concise for several reasons. You bring up some interesting points, though all of the information you are looking for in available online. That said, here are some links relevant to a couple of your points of feedback:
Though I'd also suggest learning about Life-cycle assessments, which is particularly important given the interdependence of factors when discussing ecological impact/footprint.
The water does cycle through the weather via the hydrological cycle. Yet, it is useful to consider the Embodied energy, in this case embodied water. As well as the quality of the water as it is returned to that cycle. Some of the water used growing plants is "lost" through evapotranspiration, which returns to the hydrological cycle without contamination. However depending on how those crops are grown, particularly given that conventional agriculture is the predominate method for animal feed crops, fertilizer run-off is a serious concern. The run-off from Concentrated animal feeding operation (CAFO) is even worse.
So, although that water does eventually return to via the hydrological cycle, one needs to consider what it is carrying downstream as well as the rate of use vs the rate of replenishment. If the rate of consumption is higher than the rate of replenishment then that leads to water scarcity, and depletion of aquifers.
Also, in terms of replenishing the aquifers, one needs to consider the importance of intact watersheds for infiltration, which in many parts of the world have been degraded due to deforestation and overgrazing.
There will of course be variances in degree of impact depending on the specifics of a given situation, the data in those charts are aggregated. However, there are no ecosystems or energy flows between organisms on earth which are exceptions to the reality of the Ten percent law and tropic levels.
You know what? That's the best answer I've had in a long time. It's not often someone manages to make me feel poorly educated and there is a fair bit of info in there I really didn't know.
Thank you. I will read through that tomorrow and if I have further questions I'll probably pm you - to avoid further derailment
That is hilarious!!! But no, straight cows milk. None of this fancy new crap. Can’t beat good old fashioned cows milk. And do insects really produce milk? That’s a new one to me
That is hilarious!!! But no, straight cows milk. None of this fancy new crap. Can’t beat good old fashioned cows milk. And do insects really produce milk? That’s a new one to me
Most incects dont but that 'roach milk' comes from a special roach (yes i read part of the article...
And also almost threw up). Either way i aint ever trying it, not even for a million dilithium crystals...well 🤔 maybe...
That is hilarious!!! But no, straight cows milk. None of this fancy new crap. Can’t beat good old fashioned cows milk. And do insects really produce milk? That’s a new one to me
Most incects dont but that 'roach milk' comes from a special roach (yes i read part of the article...
And also almost threw up). Either way i aint ever trying it, not even for a million dilithium crystals...well 🤔 maybe...
That is hilarious!!! But no, straight cows milk. None of this fancy new crap. Can’t beat good old fashioned cows milk. And do insects really produce milk? That’s a new one to me
Most incects dont but that 'roach milk' comes from a special roach (yes i read part of the article...
And also almost threw up). Either way i aint ever trying it, not even for a million dilithium crystals...well 🤔 maybe...
Would you try it if it cleared your honor debt
Well...sign me up!!! I got a lot of 1/5 legendaries to ff!! You are a genius @Banjo1012 !!!
That is hilarious!!! But no, straight cows milk. None of this fancy new crap. Can’t beat good old fashioned cows milk. And do insects really produce milk? That’s a new one to me
Most incects dont but that 'roach milk' comes from a special roach (yes i read part of the article...
And also almost threw up). Either way i aint ever trying it, not even for a million dilithium crystals...well 🤔 maybe...
Would you try it if it cleared your honor debt
Well...sign me up!!! I got a lot of 1/5 legendaries to ff!! You are a genius @Banjo1012 !!!
That is hilarious!!! But no, straight cows milk. None of this fancy new crap. Can’t beat good old fashioned cows milk. And do insects really produce milk? That’s a new one to me
Most incects dont but that 'roach milk' comes from a special roach (yes i read part of the article...
And also almost threw up). Either way i aint ever trying it, not even for a million dilithium crystals...well 🤔 maybe...
Would you try it if it cleared your honor debt
Well...sign me up!!! I got a lot of 1/5 legendaries to ff!! You are a genius @Banjo1012 !!!
It’s gotta be a full 8oz glass
🤢😖 i think i can do it, for that much honor...but it would be tough!!
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noun
an opaque white fluid rich in fat and protein, secreted by female mammals for the nourishment of their young.
"a healthy mother will produce enough milk for her baby"
My biology is a little rusty but have female soybeans or almonds started to secret fluids for their young? 😇😇😇
People make milk out of those things. But see the definition says mammals. Plants are not mammals, or female in the mammal sense of the word. Either way, milk is awesome! Oberweis milk is nectar of the gods
The carbon footprint I get, and that's quite astonishing. I thought soy would have more of a footprint because the land cleared (rainforest) is just as destructive as clearing for cattle. I'm guessing it has something to do with methane production, luckily soy milk doesn't make me pass wind in the same way that beans do
However, I want to discuss the water footprint. Since water is essentially recycled endlessly through the weather system, I assume this has to do with removal of water from river systems and aquifers? (I'm thinking along the lines of how rice production impacts the Murray River and the Great Artesian Basin in Australia).
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Whereas, the second shows only the amount of water USED in production, it doesn't reference any climate or other environmental impact the use of water in production actually has. In an area where rainfall is high, for example, rice production isn't going to significantly have any impact on river systems or the climate. Whereas, where rainfall is low, rice production is going to have significant impact on local and regional river systems and possibly local weather patterns as a result of this.
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I think you'll understand that I kept my initial post concise for several reasons. You bring up some interesting points, though all of the information you are looking for in available online. That said, here are some links relevant to a couple of your points of feedback:
Most of the soy grown in the world and particularly in the rain forest goes to feed livestock:
https://friendsoftheearth.uk/sites/default/files/downloads/livestock_impacts_summary.pdf
https://extension.psu.edu/soybeans-and-soybean-byproducts-for-dairy-cattle
http://www.sustainabletable.org/260/animal-feed
So the equivalence you suggested doesn't actually capture the ecological reality of the situation.
You can dive into one of the methodologies for calculating water footprints here:
https://www.watercalculator.org/footprints/water-footprint-calculator-methodology/
Though I'd also suggest learning about Life-cycle assessments, which is particularly important given the interdependence of factors when discussing ecological impact/footprint.
The water does cycle through the weather via the hydrological cycle. Yet, it is useful to consider the Embodied energy, in this case embodied water. As well as the quality of the water as it is returned to that cycle. Some of the water used growing plants is "lost" through evapotranspiration, which returns to the hydrological cycle without contamination. However depending on how those crops are grown, particularly given that conventional agriculture is the predominate method for animal feed crops, fertilizer run-off is a serious concern. The run-off from Concentrated animal feeding operation (CAFO) is even worse.
https://www.ag.ndsu.edu/publications/environment-natural-resources/water-quality-of-runoff-from-beef-cattle-feedlots
https://www.epa.gov/nutrient-policy-data/estimated-animal-agriculture-nitrogen-and-phosphorus-manure
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fertilizer-runoff-overwhelms-streams/
So, although that water does eventually return to via the hydrological cycle, one needs to consider what it is carrying downstream as well as the rate of use vs the rate of replenishment. If the rate of consumption is higher than the rate of replenishment then that leads to water scarcity, and depletion of aquifers.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/13/science/two-thirds-of-the-world-faces-severe-water-shortages.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_scarcity
http://www.un.org/waterforlifedecade/scarcity.shtml
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/16/water-shortages-to-be-key-environmental-challenge-of-the-century-nasa-warns
Also, in terms of replenishing the aquifers, one needs to consider the importance of intact watersheds for infiltration, which in many parts of the world have been degraded due to deforestation and overgrazing.
There will of course be variances in degree of impact depending on the specifics of a given situation, the data in those charts are aggregated. However, there are no ecosystems or energy flows between organisms on earth which are exceptions to the reality of the Ten percent law and tropic levels.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_flow_(ecology)
https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/trophic_level.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophic_level
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_efficiency#Ten_percent_law
How much more detail would you like?
Consider participating in civil discourse, understanding the Tardigrade, and wandering with the Subspace Eddies.
What happened to the milk and cookies did I miss out.😒
http://www.sweetsugarbelle.com/2013/05/simple-star-trek-cookies/
All this talk made me take a run for a few milk chugs. 1 AM so I had to go to Dunkin
and everything comes full circle......
You know what? That's the best answer I've had in a long time. It's not often someone manages to make me feel poorly educated and there is a fair bit of info in there I really didn't know.
Thank you. I will read through that tomorrow and if I have further questions I'll probably pm you - to avoid further derailment
Check out our website to find out more:
https://wiki.tenforwardloungers.com/
It’s nitPICKING.
(Not to mention that it's wrong.) I haven't gotten to be the "well, actually…" guy for awhile now, so I'll just leave this here.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
BAYUM!! I get it Data. It was too tempting to resist.
https://recipes.howstuffworks.com/got-cockroach-milk.htm
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
That is hilarious!!! But no, straight cows milk. None of this fancy new crap. Can’t beat good old fashioned cows milk. And do insects really produce milk? That’s a new one to me
Most incects dont but that 'roach milk' comes from a special roach (yes i read part of the article...
And also almost threw up). Either way i aint ever trying it, not even for a million dilithium crystals...well 🤔 maybe...
Would you try it if it cleared your honor debt
Well...sign me up!!! I got a lot of 1/5 legendaries to ff!! You are a genius @Banjo1012 !!!
It’s gotta be a full 8oz glass
🤢😖 i think i can do it, for that much honor...but it would be tough!!
Read the fine print. Clear your honor debt is different than give you the honor.