I personally don't see this as a big deal, especially since I suspect fewer than 50% of the total player base will be effected. If we took weekends off every time there was a holiday SOMEWHERE in the world, we'd probably never have weekend events.
Just my point zero two dollars' worth. U.S. dollars obviously.
This might not be a bad idea. Anyone remember the days where there was only an event every three weeks?
Yes, those were the good days. But the sweet spot would be 2 weeks if you ask me. Or they could do a repeat event every second or third week.
I personally don't see this as a big deal, especially since I suspect fewer than 50% of the total player base will be effected. If we took weekends off every time there was a holiday SOMEWHERE in the world, we'd probably never have weekend events.
Just my point zero two dollars' worth. U.S. dollars obviously.
This might not be a bad idea. Anyone remember the days where there was only an event every three weeks?
I believe you have to go all the way back to the 10th event to find an empty weekend (event window starting August 5, 2016): https://stt.wiki/wiki/Events
There was never a pattern of "every three weeks". It's just how the first handful happen to come out.
the early "breaks" were also part of DB figuring out how to run these events, and run them with any kind of consistency, stability (i say this very loosely, given their track record), etc. Once that was "supposedly" locked down, they were able to run them every week.
Let's not kid ourselves, events are how DB, and now, Tipping Point, keeps the game running because they are what bring in money.
Okay I never post but I have to chime in here because you’re all being ridiculous and enough people have joined in on the ‘Lol not everything is about america stupid OP’ bandwagon. There is no way that Americans don’t make up the vast majority of the player base, this is a game from a US company based in US time zones about US-made shows, sold and played on US-based platforms. Yes there is a stereotype that Americans think they are the center of the world but really, this is not one of those times.
That you don’t happen to find the 5-Star interesting and thus the event doesn’t matter is an opinion, and is not shared by everyone. Would you all have been so quick to join in on the snark if this had been a Jadzia event? I think not. And yes, non-US time zones are potentially at a disadvantage depending on when you’re able to be active in the game, but I don’t see anyone shaming them for not spending time with ~loved ones~ for complaining. Stop being obtuse and stop shouting down others’ opinions because you don’t agree with them. You’re welcome to your opinions but echoing a dozen other users and ganging up on the OP or derailing their thread is not helpful to anyone.
The echo-chamber of this community has gotten totally out of hand, and the most frequent posters are largely to blame. Some of you oh-so-funny comedians can start pointless joke threads all you like but someone has a real issue with the game and comes to the forums meant for discussing said issues and you’re spamming their thread with more of your attention-seeking har-hars and white-knight ‘people will complain about anything DB can’t win’ comments for what? Precious awesomes? That some of you are on your high horses about spending time with loved ones and family when you most definitely devote copious amounts of time to this game is ridiculous. If you were the OP or a new member here and a bunch of 5 star users joined in on disagreeing with you loudly and frequently, joking at your expense, would you ever want to post again?
This community was friendly and welcoming once, and it has ceased to be so because people care more about ‘awesomes’ than helping each other.
News flash “guest” no one gives a rats behind how many awesomes they happen to get, I for one do not ride horses be they high or low. Many of us actually do care very much about the community and the game. What you read lately is people who have around much longer than you fed up with the treatment of the players of the game, the incessant money grab meant to line the pockets of a select few while those who are in the company and care about the game are let go and very little effort is put into quality or damage control.
Of course no one has a gun to their heads to play an event, what is upsetting to some, myself included is an event type that has never occurred as a pair, during a major US holiday. The track record of this company for events that have been run before is dismal at best, this one is a train wreck waiting to happen with the skeleton crew that is bound to be present while it runs. Errors constantly happening only further damage the game and the brand causing more players to be fed up and leave. It is a poor decision by poor management and the scapegoats are those who have to try make the poor decisions work. Hopefully they will get lucky and it will go off with few bugs.
I speak for no one but myself, I have helped support the game both with much time and money, I would like to see that support appreciated for a change by improving and reinvesting into real quality control. I want the game to survive for many more years because it can be great fun. Its tiring to continually be disappointed by those who take our money and put very little back into the game hence the cause of much of the venom.
Back to what is actually important, family and friends..Everyone have a happy and safe Thanksgiving. For those who don’t celebrate it, enjoy the event and may it work well for you. While I’m at it Data1001 is both funny and helpful, he always gets an “awesome” from me but who is counting.
Okay I never post but I have to chime in here because you’re all being ridiculous and enough people have joined in on the ‘Lol not everything is about america stupid OP’ bandwagon. There is no way that Americans don’t make up the vast majority of the player base, this is a game from a US company based in US time zones about US-made shows, sold and played on US-based platforms. Yes there is a stereotype that Americans think they are the center of the world but really, this is not one of those times.
That you don’t happen to find the 5-Star interesting and thus the event doesn’t matter is an opinion, and is not shared by everyone. Would you all have been so quick to join in on the snark if this had been a Jadzia event? I think not. And yes, non-US time zones are potentially at a disadvantage depending on when you’re able to be active in the game, but I don’t see anyone shaming them for not spending time with ~loved ones~ for complaining. Stop being obtuse and stop shouting down others’ opinions because you don’t agree with them. You’re welcome to your opinions but echoing a dozen other users and ganging up on the OP or derailing their thread is not helpful to anyone.
The echo-chamber of this community has gotten totally out of hand, and the most frequent posters are largely to blame. Some of you oh-so-funny comedians can start pointless joke threads all you like but someone has a real issue with the game and comes to the forums meant for discussing said issues and you’re spamming their thread with more of your attention-seeking har-hars and white-knight ‘people will complain about anything DB can’t win’ comments for what? Precious awesomes? That some of you are on your high horses about spending time with loved ones and family when you most definitely devote copious amounts of time to this game is ridiculous. If you were the OP or a new member here and a bunch of 5 star users joined in on disagreeing with you loudly and frequently, joking at your expense, would you ever want to post again?
This community was friendly and welcoming once, and it has ceased to be so because people care more about ‘awesomes’ than helping each other.
What an interesting post wherein you post your opinion chastising others for posting their opinions. This is not an objective thread (How do I start a fleet? Where do I find information about Voyages? Etcetera). This is a subjective thread where DimeDrl (the OP) is offering their opinion about something and others are free to offer their opinions as well, whether they agree with the ideas in the original post or not. I know I wouldn't want everyone blindly agreeing with me on every subjective topic and I often welcome the exchange of differing opinions and viewpoints as I think it is healthy to hear from others' points of view. I also don't see where anyone has said or even inferred that DimeDrl is "stupid" as you stated (but that's just my opinion). Again, it's just people offering their opinions. I am confident that if this was an objective thread asking a question, needing help or advice, etc. members would, as they often do, jump at the chance to offer assistance and there are many recent examples of this throughout the subforums. I also agree with Oxmyx that chances are that no one really cares about getting more "awesomes" as you claim some do.
There is no way that Americans don’t make up the vast majority of the player base,
I'm interested if this is actually true or not. @Shan are you able and willing to post stats of the % of the active player base that typically connect from the USA?
(Disclaimer: I am not from the USA, I am from the UK. Interesting point: I will be in the USA next week - perhaps I'll finally win a gauntlet!)
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The original post was completely from that person's viewpoint about the event being unfair to them and Americans. They have that right and privilege to think so. Others, whether in the USA or not that have a different viewpoint and have that same privilege to express that.
As an American, I felt the original post lacked thought about not only how other Americans may/may not be affected, but those outside the USA whose lives and opinions have equal value. Given that, it was destined to be open to debate. Just because people have the same opinion doesn't necessarily make them an "echo chamber". If it does, then the same would apply to the contrary opinion.
Your post sounds emotional, critical, and angry. And using your criteria to judge, in my estimation is far more disparaging and accusatory in comparison to any post on this topic, IMO.
There is no way that Americans don’t make up the vast majority of the player base,
I'm interested if this is actually true or not. @Shan are you able and willing to post stats of the % of the active player base that typically connect from the USA?
(Disclaimer: I am not from the USA, I am from the UK. Interesting point: I will be in the USA next week - perhaps I'll finally win a gauntlet!)
This is obviously a small sample size, but my squad is myself and FOUR Europeans, and our fleet is 50/50.
To this "Guest", if you choose to hide behind a generic name, so be it, but actually putting your name on something gives it weight. Us 'jokesters' put our names on our thoughts/opinions, and we are accountable to to this community when/if we cross the line. You get to hide behind your anonymity, throw your stones at everyone, and then retreat to safety. You have to earn respect to demand respect, and you are not conducting yourself in a respectful way.
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We also are very welcoming and helpful. If new players have a question about how this game is played, if they ask on this forum they will get a handful of detailed responses within minutes. I am living proof of this. I just started 7 months ago and I've learned a TON from the experienced players who frequent this forum. These people have absolutely NOTHING to gain by helping people and yet they do it anyway, because the people on this forum are generally welcoming and friendly. I consider myself part of hat number now, and I try to help whenever I can.
First there is a harsh truth for our dear guest - DB doesn't care from where is the majority of players they care only about from where are players who are paying for their products.
First there is a harsh truth for our dear guest - DB doesn't care from where is the majority of players they care only about from where are players who are paying for their products.
I don't really want to white-knight for DB but in this case you're wrong. Paying players are very rare in a free to play (usually 5% of the players) so a free to play usually nurtures its free community to serve as content to the paying players.
At first, I was frustrated with this type of event over thanksgiving inthe U.S. But in hindsight, I found it so far to be the best choice for me. I saved all of my chrons and ran skirmish for a couple of hours before thanksgiving, then I spent time with family. I didn’t touch the game again til later in the evening and again on Friday morning. After that I spent time with family most of the day, then played some Friday evening. Saturday I drove 9 hours, then played some Saturday. So far, I have been able to stay somewhat competitive.
I completely agree about the lack of attention to the player base. But this is just an opinion from the other side of the coin.
I live in the U.S. so this is strictly perspective from one American.
I had a long weekend from work. Spent most of the weekend with family. I saved chronitons for about a week. Between Friday night and getting up at 6am (normal for me) on Saturday, I used all my chronitons and intel. I topped out around 260th place. I've only dropped about 100 places. I was initially put off by the timing, but it's worked out wonderfully for me.
Community rewards are slow coming. I probably won't craft any for the event unless we do not have rewards tomorrow morning.
US population 326M European population 741M. Give or take.
US GDP = $19.2 Trillion (USD)
EU GDP = $17.2 Trillion (USD)
(2017 statistics)
But what the devs should really consider is the number of players. I don't know those numbers. Also, I don't care much beyond general curiosity. This event has worked out for me personally, so it's whatever.
You guys know there's more than 2 continents right?
Not sure what any of these figures are supposed to prove, the only statistics that would matter are with DB and unlikely to be disclosed.
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US population 326M European population 741M. Give or take.
US GDP = $19.2 Trillion (USD)
EU GDP = $17.2 Trillion (USD)
(2017 statistics)
But what the devs should really consider is the number of players. I don't know those numbers. Also, I don't care much beyond general curiosity. This event has worked out for me personally, so it's whatever.
I'd argue GDP per capita is a far better measure for this game than overall GDP - and the US is almost double all of Europe on that front (59k vs 36k USD in 2017).
I'm still not convinced that means anything in terms of whether DB should avoid events on American holidays.
That some of you are on your high horses about spending time with loved ones and family when you most definitely devote copious amounts of time to this game is ridiculous.
My point was that if you've got loved ones to spend time with, and instead of availing yourself of that opportunity--whenever it may arise--you're grousing that it's intruding on your game play, your priorities may benefit from some reconsideration. I would question how healthy they are. I have definitely devoted copious amounts of my time to this game over the last two years, there's no denying that. But given the choice between time with people I love and time with this game, I don't have any conflict whatsoever.
To wit: last August's event, "Homestead". I love me some DS9 and the Mirror Universe. That event's 5* was Mirror Bashir. I finally had four shuttles and was a squadron leader. I had a solid bonus crew on hand. A top 1000 finish to earn Bashir was doable and exciting. However, that was the same weekend as the solar eclipse and my friends had rented a cabin in Hopkinsville, KY to observe it. Here's how I fared:
I still want Mirror Bashir. Whenever I see him used as someone's avatar or in the Gauntlet, I'm reminded that I had a crack at him and missed out. But I don't think, "I wish I'd been able to squeeze in more game play." I think, "Man, that weekend was fantastic!"
So, nice try at catching me in some kind of hypocrisy, but I really don't care as much about this game as the time I've spent playing it might suggest.
That some of you are on your high horses about spending time with loved ones and family when you most definitely devote copious amounts of time to this game is ridiculous.
My point was that if you've got loved ones to spend time with, and instead of availing yourself of that opportunity--whenever it may arise--you're grousing that it's intruding on your game play, your priorities may benefit from some reconsideration. I would question how healthy they are. I have definitely devoted copious amounts of my time to this game over the last two years, there's no denying that. But given the choice between time with people I love and time with this game, I don't have any conflict whatsoever.
To wit: last August's event, "Homestead". I love me some DS9 and the Mirror Universe. That event's 5* was Mirror Bashir. I finally had four shuttles and was a squadron leader. I had a solid bonus crew on hand. A top 1000 finish to earn Bashir was doable and exciting. However, that was the same weekend as the solar eclipse and my friends had rented a cabin in Hopkinsville, KY to observe it. Here's how I fared:
I still want Mirror Bashir. Whenever I see him used as someone's avatar or in the Gauntlet, I'm reminded that I had a crack at him and missed out. But I don't think, "I wish I'd been able to squeeze in more game play." I think, "Man, that weekend was fantastic!"
So, nice try at catching me in some kind of hypocrisy, but I really don't care as much about this game as the time I've spent playing it might suggest.
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+1 on that.
I believe you have to go all the way back to the 10th event to find an empty weekend (event window starting August 5, 2016): https://stt.wiki/wiki/Events
There was never a pattern of "every three weeks". It's just how the first handful happen to come out.
Let's not kid ourselves, events are how DB, and now, Tipping Point, keeps the game running because they are what bring in money.
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That you don’t happen to find the 5-Star interesting and thus the event doesn’t matter is an opinion, and is not shared by everyone. Would you all have been so quick to join in on the snark if this had been a Jadzia event? I think not. And yes, non-US time zones are potentially at a disadvantage depending on when you’re able to be active in the game, but I don’t see anyone shaming them for not spending time with ~loved ones~ for complaining. Stop being obtuse and stop shouting down others’ opinions because you don’t agree with them. You’re welcome to your opinions but echoing a dozen other users and ganging up on the OP or derailing their thread is not helpful to anyone.
The echo-chamber of this community has gotten totally out of hand, and the most frequent posters are largely to blame. Some of you oh-so-funny comedians can start pointless joke threads all you like but someone has a real issue with the game and comes to the forums meant for discussing said issues and you’re spamming their thread with more of your attention-seeking har-hars and white-knight ‘people will complain about anything DB can’t win’ comments for what? Precious awesomes? That some of you are on your high horses about spending time with loved ones and family when you most definitely devote copious amounts of time to this game is ridiculous. If you were the OP or a new member here and a bunch of 5 star users joined in on disagreeing with you loudly and frequently, joking at your expense, would you ever want to post again?
This community was friendly and welcoming once, and it has ceased to be so because people care more about ‘awesomes’ than helping each other.
Whew, for a second I thought I might be included in that group, but then I saw you said "funny", so…
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
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Of course no one has a gun to their heads to play an event, what is upsetting to some, myself included is an event type that has never occurred as a pair, during a major US holiday. The track record of this company for events that have been run before is dismal at best, this one is a train wreck waiting to happen with the skeleton crew that is bound to be present while it runs. Errors constantly happening only further damage the game and the brand causing more players to be fed up and leave. It is a poor decision by poor management and the scapegoats are those who have to try make the poor decisions work. Hopefully they will get lucky and it will go off with few bugs.
I speak for no one but myself, I have helped support the game both with much time and money, I would like to see that support appreciated for a change by improving and reinvesting into real quality control. I want the game to survive for many more years because it can be great fun. Its tiring to continually be disappointed by those who take our money and put very little back into the game hence the cause of much of the venom.
Back to what is actually important, family and friends..Everyone have a happy and safe Thanksgiving. For those who don’t celebrate it, enjoy the event and may it work well for you. While I’m at it Data1001 is both funny and helpful, he always gets an “awesome” from me but who is counting.
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What an interesting post wherein you post your opinion chastising others for posting their opinions. This is not an objective thread (How do I start a fleet? Where do I find information about Voyages? Etcetera). This is a subjective thread where DimeDrl (the OP) is offering their opinion about something and others are free to offer their opinions as well, whether they agree with the ideas in the original post or not. I know I wouldn't want everyone blindly agreeing with me on every subjective topic and I often welcome the exchange of differing opinions and viewpoints as I think it is healthy to hear from others' points of view. I also don't see where anyone has said or even inferred that DimeDrl is "stupid" as you stated (but that's just my opinion). Again, it's just people offering their opinions. I am confident that if this was an objective thread asking a question, needing help or advice, etc. members would, as they often do, jump at the chance to offer assistance and there are many recent examples of this throughout the subforums. I also agree with Oxmyx that chances are that no one really cares about getting more "awesomes" as you claim some do.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
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I'm interested if this is actually true or not. @Shan are you able and willing to post stats of the % of the active player base that typically connect from the USA?
(Disclaimer: I am not from the USA, I am from the UK. Interesting point: I will be in the USA next week - perhaps I'll finally win a gauntlet!)
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The original post was completely from that person's viewpoint about the event being unfair to them and Americans. They have that right and privilege to think so. Others, whether in the USA or not that have a different viewpoint and have that same privilege to express that.
As an American, I felt the original post lacked thought about not only how other Americans may/may not be affected, but those outside the USA whose lives and opinions have equal value. Given that, it was destined to be open to debate. Just because people have the same opinion doesn't necessarily make them an "echo chamber". If it does, then the same would apply to the contrary opinion.
Your post sounds emotional, critical, and angry. And using your criteria to judge, in my estimation is far more disparaging and accusatory in comparison to any post on this topic, IMO.
And yet, every event for me starts at 4am and finishes at 4am.
Maybe that's off-topic but I hope guest appreciates that I put a lot of effort into an American game even when the odds are consistently against me.
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This is obviously a small sample size, but my squad is myself and FOUR Europeans, and our fleet is 50/50.
To this "Guest", if you choose to hide behind a generic name, so be it, but actually putting your name on something gives it weight. Us 'jokesters' put our names on our thoughts/opinions, and we are accountable to to this community when/if we cross the line. You get to hide behind your anonymity, throw your stones at everyone, and then retreat to safety. You have to earn respect to demand respect, and you are not conducting yourself in a respectful way.
-EDIT-
We also are very welcoming and helpful. If new players have a question about how this game is played, if they ask on this forum they will get a handful of detailed responses within minutes. I am living proof of this. I just started 7 months ago and I've learned a TON from the experienced players who frequent this forum. These people have absolutely NOTHING to gain by helping people and yet they do it anyway, because the people on this forum are generally welcoming and friendly. I consider myself part of hat number now, and I try to help whenever I can.
I don't really want to white-knight for DB but in this case you're wrong. Paying players are very rare in a free to play (usually 5% of the players) so a free to play usually nurtures its free community to serve as content to the paying players.
I completely agree about the lack of attention to the player base. But this is just an opinion from the other side of the coin.
I had a long weekend from work. Spent most of the weekend with family. I saved chronitons for about a week. Between Friday night and getting up at 6am (normal for me) on Saturday, I used all my chronitons and intel. I topped out around 260th place. I've only dropped about 100 places. I was initially put off by the timing, but it's worked out wonderfully for me.
Community rewards are slow coming. I probably won't craft any for the event unless we do not have rewards tomorrow morning.
US GDP = $19.2 Trillion (USD)
EU GDP = $17.2 Trillion (USD)
(2017 statistics)
But what the devs should really consider is the number of players. I don't know those numbers. Also, I don't care much beyond general curiosity. This event has worked out for me personally, so it's whatever.
Not sure what any of these figures are supposed to prove, the only statistics that would matter are with DB and unlikely to be disclosed.
https://forum.disruptorbeam.com/stt/discussion/5023/qh-the-oldest-fleet-in-timelines-l91-starbase-daily-targets-met
I'd argue GDP per capita is a far better measure for this game than overall GDP - and the US is almost double all of Europe on that front (59k vs 36k USD in 2017).
I'm still not convinced that means anything in terms of whether DB should avoid events on American holidays.
My point was that if you've got loved ones to spend time with, and instead of availing yourself of that opportunity--whenever it may arise--you're grousing that it's intruding on your game play, your priorities may benefit from some reconsideration. I would question how healthy they are. I have definitely devoted copious amounts of my time to this game over the last two years, there's no denying that. But given the choice between time with people I love and time with this game, I don't have any conflict whatsoever.
To wit: last August's event, "Homestead". I love me some DS9 and the Mirror Universe. That event's 5* was Mirror Bashir. I finally had four shuttles and was a squadron leader. I had a solid bonus crew on hand. A top 1000 finish to earn Bashir was doable and exciting. However, that was the same weekend as the solar eclipse and my friends had rented a cabin in Hopkinsville, KY to observe it. Here's how I fared:
I still want Mirror Bashir. Whenever I see him used as someone's avatar or in the Gauntlet, I'm reminded that I had a crack at him and missed out. But I don't think, "I wish I'd been able to squeeze in more game play." I think, "Man, that weekend was fantastic!"
So, nice try at catching me in some kind of hypocrisy, but I really don't care as much about this game as the time I've spent playing it might suggest.
Very well stated @Travis S McClain, I really enjoyed your narrative
Also, the quote you included just reminded me, when did DB hand out all these high horses? Was that a reward from before I started playing?!