The logic of hoarding is for rank. Especially at the top. I don't really see the purpose of waiting to clear thresholds. At lower ranks I don't think the SR game is as crazy. Does anyone know the final VP for rank 2k? Or where 350k VP ended rank wise?
I was against this at first, but now I'm for it. I got stuck in a 3 hour meeting without my phone and didn't get out in time to turn in the 509 SRs that I had accumulated. Talk about a punch in the gut. That was enough VP for me to get the final 2 threshold rewards and to finish Chakotay. Instead I ended up at 3676. I would have had another 163,000 VP if I had turned those in!!!
That is regular problem/issue/dificulty for me. I'm always at job in the final hours of event.
So...you're "for" something restricting players choices/options because of your own planning mistake?
So you are for having advantage over those who are not able to plan how to avoid meetings at job? If those rares were turned three hours earlier, lot of people not on a meeting would have oportunity lasting for 3 hours to play for better result and to again push down.
I was against this at first, but now I'm for it. I got stuck in a 3 hour meeting without my phone and didn't get out in time to turn in the 509 SRs that I had accumulated. Talk about a punch in the gut. That was enough VP for me to get the final 2 threshold rewards and to finish Chakotay. Instead I ended up at 3676. I would have had another 163,000 VP if I had turned those in!!!
And it’s reasons such as this that I turn them in as I go. You just never know what may happen
Not knowing is part of the entertainment, and saving “specials” is a strategy. And honestly, it takes about 500k to finish top 1000 in a Galaxy event with the new reward structure. If anyone tries to skimp in right at that point total and save resources, he or she lives with the outcomes of that decision. Also, life happens for us all... whether it’s a meeting, work, the Internet dying, or having to go to the ER (I am at work at the end of all events, and can’t play either). Conditions will always prevent someone from achieving their goal, which for me means I play more on Sunday and ride the wave at the end wherever it takes me Monday. Sometimes I miss out and it just is...
It’s a competition. The role of my gameplay isn’t to make your gameplay easier. Just my two cents...
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So...you're "for" something restricting players choices/options because of your own planning mistake?
So you are for having advantage over those who are not able to plan how to avoid meetings at job? If those rares were turned three hours earlier, lot of people not on a meeting would have oportunity lasting for 3 hours to play for better result and to again push down.
No, I'm for choices. This player insinuates they could have easily turned in earlier. It was their choice to wait. They could have gotten the benefit from all the points had they turned in earlier, but they banked on being able to get a higher rank for less effort if they waited. They gambled on waiting, and lost. That's not the game's fault.
Either way everyone is going to end up with the same point total they would whether they turned them in as they went or at the last minute. It doesn’t change anything but the timing of when the points are added
Not everyone drops all their chronitons. If you know what the current true score is, you can manage your resources more appropriately to compete with others who can't hide 100k worth of VP.
You get that this is major hole in your argument right? That getting rid of this this type of min/maxing is exactly what delayed scoring is there to achieve? The uncertainty is there by design to encourage people to give an event their all, not half **tsk tsk** it.
I guess I don’t understand the reasoning behind hoarding the SRs. Especially if you haven’t hit the thresh hold yet. I went for top 2000. Put on 404k points and finished 1496. Everyone knows that with a lackluster 5* it will take 500k to get 1000 and with a popular 5* it will be 550k or more.
My reasoning for hoarding the SRs is mainly to be guaranteeing myself the win later if I stay on top of the event. I did drop my SRs in with 90 minutes to go today, but I was already in or around 1k when I did. The end of the event is pretty crazy, it's nice to be able to just step over it like that and go about my day.
Did I spend too many chrons? Yep, but I paid the certainty equivalence to get out of a gamble that's there by design.
holding onto your rares is always a risk v reward issue.
What happens if the game crashes in the last 15 minutes, as it has in the past, during a galaxy event.
What happens if you get pulled into a work meeting
What happens if your car breaks down
What happens if your cat claws the living crap out of you?
What happens if LA falls into the Pacific?
What happens when Jesus' second coming happens?
(maybe you get the point)
Failure to account for these types of issues does not constitute having to change the structure of how the event is played on everyone else's part.
Some of the best players adapt to possible situations and even come up with new ideas, when everyone else catches onto what you're doing. Figure out something new and go with it. Don't try to change the game for everyone else when you can't adapt to what possibilities may rise
I understand the frustration, but... if the argument is that galaxy event scoring should be fully live (no SR lurking) because real life can interfere with gameplay during the last few hours (which is true, of course), then there isn't really an argument here. If you stop playing with 6 hours left (for whatever reasons), you have set a target that someone else can choose to match (or not).
Think of it from the perspective of the late-scoring player. They are looking at the vp scores and saying "grr, why did they put up such high scores?" before deciding if they are going to put in the effort to pass everyone. If they had already built the same number of recipes as others and were just "lurking", then they are going to rank at roughly the same spot anyway - and you can't complain about that. If they decide to do more work than others in order to overcome the bar that was set, well, I'm not sure how you can complain about that either. They did more work, they should win. The only way to defend your rank at the end is to be able to play the game at the end. Of course this isn't possible for everyone to do (work, sleep, whatever) - but I'm not sure that means it's a design flaw.
As others noted, galaxy event vp has been relatively consistent of late, so the target levels are not a complete mystery. Aim for the number you need for the rank tier you want to finish in, and then maybe do just a bit more to give yourself a cushion.
Many arguments exist over this issue. An important one is consistency over events where the other events have live and up to date scoring including galaxy recipe building. If a player pushes and sets the pace all weekend, that player doesn't have an opportunity to match his / her opponents when 100k worth of VP are dropped in the last part of the event.
Your argument here does not make sense unless you think those 100K worth of victory points are generated by magic.
I was against this at first, but now I'm for it. I got stuck in a 3 hour meeting without my phone and didn't get out in time to turn in the 509 SRs that I had accumulated. Talk about a punch in the gut. That was enough VP for me to get the final 2 threshold rewards and to finish Chakotay. Instead I ended up at 3676. I would have had another 163,000 VP if I had turned those in!!!
I always turn in first thing in the morning. If you didn't have enough by Sunday evening, you weren't trying hard enough anyways.
If i'm serious about a Galaxy I always hoard. Sometimes I might do early turn-ins to rush the threshold crew if I need it.
I never saved SRs until yesterday when I didn’t want to press the button as much. I always get the threshold and then get the new crew to level 100. I guess I haven’t min/maxed to know how well I’d be doing IF I turn in all these SRs. I like to know where I’m at and if spending more makes sense. Doesn’t bother me now that I know of the strategy.
The logic of hoarding is for rank. Especially at the top. I don't really see the purpose of waiting to clear thresholds. At lower ranks I don't think the SR game is as crazy. Does anyone know the final VP for rank 2k? Or where 350k VP ended rank wise?
I understand the frustration, but... if the argument is that galaxy event scoring should be fully live (no SR lurking) because real life can interfere with gameplay during the last few hours (which is true, of course), then there isn't really an argument here. If you stop playing with 6 hours left (for whatever reasons), you have set a target that someone else can choose to match (or not).
Think of it from the perspective of the late-scoring player. They are looking at the vp scores and saying "grr, why did they put up such high scores?" before deciding if they are going to put in the effort to pass everyone. If they had already built the same number of recipes as others and were just "lurking", then they are going to rank at roughly the same spot anyway - and you can't complain about that. If they decide to do more work than others in order to overcome the bar that was set, well, I'm not sure how you can complain about that either. They did more work, they should win. The only way to defend your rank at the end is to be able to play the game at the end. Of course this isn't possible for everyone to do (work, sleep, whatever) - but I'm not sure that means it's a design flaw.
As others noted, galaxy event vp has been relatively consistent of late, so the target levels are not a complete mystery. Aim for the number you need for the rank tier you want to finish in, and then maybe do just a bit more to give yourself a cushion.
Many arguments exist over this issue. An important one is consistency over events where the other events have live and up to date scoring including galaxy recipe building. If a player pushes and sets the pace all weekend, that player doesn't have an opportunity to match his / her opponents when 100k worth of VP are dropped in the last part of the event.
Your argument here does not make sense unless you think those 100K worth of victory points are generated by magic.
Thank you for your sarcasm. I don't believe in magic and I know where and how the SR's are earned and claimed. I was trying to bring up an issue that affects game play and balance, especially for those in other time zones. Obstacles will not encourage people to play this game and as it becomes less enjoyable, participation declines. Since I see I am in the minority on this issue I will end my discussion on this topic.
I was against this at first, but now I'm for it. I got stuck in a 3 hour meeting without my phone and didn't get out in time to turn in the 509 SRs that I had accumulated. Talk about a punch in the gut. That was enough VP for me to get the final 2 threshold rewards and to finish Chakotay. Instead I ended up at 3676. I would have had another 163,000 VP if I had turned those in!!!
So...you're "for" something restricting players choices/options because of your own planning mistake?
No. I’m for leveling the playing field so, regardless of time zone, everyone is on equal footing. No other event type allows players to hoard rewards and cash them in at the last second for a huge jump in score. I am all about player choice. People can choose to spend the chronitons to get the points they need without hoarding or they can not spend those and get a lower ranking.
No. I’m for leveling the playing field so, regardless of time zone, everyone is on equal footing.
Some players have 100000 Chronitons, some have 1000. Some make the effort to prefarm items for Galaxy events, some don´t. Some spend decent cash on this game, some spend nothing. So a level playing field and equal footing is utopic to the highest degree.
Also in case you are well prepared for this kind of event what others have, what others do, in which timezone they are etc. matters ZERO for a top 1000 finish or even a win as stellar Stellar Ice has proven by winning 2 Galaxies as VIP0. I was done with the event after 150 minutes on thursday and that was enough for a Top 500 finish, so...
If people would focus more on their own game, trying to improve it best as they can according to their resources, timetables etc. instead of always thinking about the game of others their STT experience would be much more pleasant
I did three runs, big first, a couple smaller, did my turn in right after second phase. I dabbled in it enough to keep well under 100, then slept through the finish and came in at 177. I had saved under 7000 chrons but prefarmed, seemed to work for me.
I didn't do anything in the event for the last 12 hours and ended about 500. Turning in super rares late comes at a risk, but is a choice people can make. Again, I'll play either way and have no real care. It would be nice in some ways turned in as you go, but since we all know the ability, we can adjust as we see fit for our needs.
I understand the concern but I do not see a problem.
Probably because it doesn't affect you. If you were impacted by late turn-ins every galaxy / hybrid the way I am, because the event ends at 4am local time, you might see there is a problem.
I understand the concern but I do not see a problem.
Probably because it doesn't affect you. If you were impacted by late turn-ins every galaxy / hybrid the way I am, because the event ends at 4am local time, you might see there is a problem.
I live in Brisbane, and just planned ahead with saved and voyage chrons. My first decent finish on gauntlet, due in part to my having FE all my crew so I had disposable chrons to save, and the factions being made more undesirable to me so I concentrated on another type.
Galaxy events are essentially like basketball games; only the last little bit matters. For what it’s worth, I don’t play every galaxy, but when I do commit every so often, I find the rules equitable enough. It at least adds another dimension in a terribly boring mode of play.
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If people would focus more on their own game, trying to improve it best as they can according to their resources, timetables etc. instead of always thinking about the game of others their STT experience would be much more pleasant
Yes 100% my friend!!! Instead of hoping the game adjusts to you, you adjust to the game. I kept coming up short on galaxies, thinking I had enough chrons to win, but someone always caught me. Saving for my last run, I pre-farmed like crazy cuz it seemed that’s what the winners did. Sure as dung I won! So instead of crying about how the game is against people who don’t pre-farm and the game should change that....I pre-farmed.
I understand the frustration, but... if the argument is that galaxy event scoring should be fully live (no SR lurking) because real life can interfere with gameplay during the last few hours (which is true, of course), then there isn't really an argument here. If you stop playing with 6 hours left (for whatever reasons), you have set a target that someone else can choose to match (or not).
Think of it from the perspective of the late-scoring player. They are looking at the vp scores and saying "grr, why did they put up such high scores?" before deciding if they are going to put in the effort to pass everyone. If they had already built the same number of recipes as others and were just "lurking", then they are going to rank at roughly the same spot anyway - and you can't complain about that. If they decide to do more work than others in order to overcome the bar that was set, well, I'm not sure how you can complain about that either. They did more work, they should win. The only way to defend your rank at the end is to be able to play the game at the end. Of course this isn't possible for everyone to do (work, sleep, whatever) - but I'm not sure that means it's a design flaw.
As others noted, galaxy event vp has been relatively consistent of late, so the target levels are not a complete mystery. Aim for the number you need for the rank tier you want to finish in, and then maybe do just a bit more to give yourself a cushion.
Many arguments exist over this issue. An important one is consistency over events where the other events have live and up to date scoring including galaxy recipe building. If a player pushes and sets the pace all weekend, that player doesn't have an opportunity to match his / her opponents when 100k worth of VP are dropped in the last part of the event.
Your argument here does not make sense unless you think those 100K worth of victory points are generated by magic.
Thank you for your sarcasm. I don't believe in magic and I know where and how the SR's are earned and claimed. I was trying to bring up an issue that affects game play and balance, especially for those in other time zones. Obstacles will not encourage people to play this game and as it becomes less enjoyable, participation declines. Since I see I am in the minority on this issue I will end my discussion on this topic.
Thread closed.
There was no sarcasm in that comment. In your scenario a player, let's call them Player A, "pushes and sets the pace all weekend" and then Player B swoops in out of nowhere and drops 100K worth of victory to deny Player A the opportunity "to match his / her opponent", so if not by magic and if this is as unfair as you claim it is, where did those 100K worth of victory come from?
Not all late pushes are due to lurkers hoarding their super rare rewards.
I was unable to play this recent galaxy most of the weekend, essentially starting the event with 20 hours to go. I dropped a supply kit and burned through 7k chrons, clearing thresholds and fully equipping Chakotay & Etana, en route to a top-1500 finish. I was only aiming for top-1000, to FE Chakotay, but was on a flight this morning and knew I'd also be unavailable to play the last 3 hours of the event.
The great thing about galaxy events is the built-in flexibility of when you play, which is the polar opposite of faction events that dictate the need to play (at least 2 minutes) every 3 hours. Don't be upset at people who are able to maximize this benefit, which is available to all players.
There is no reason to hoard super rares except as a measure of what rank you are. If you are at a good rank with all your super rares to turn in you should be at about that rank when you turn the super rares in. I hold until the night before the end then get an idea of where I am and then turn in super rares. Only reason to hold them till the very end is for top 75. This is not a new thing so people should be able to know and compensate for late player turn ins. No reason for db to disable this.
I understand the concern but I do not see a problem.
Probably because it doesn't affect you. If you were impacted by late turn-ins every galaxy / hybrid the way I am, because the event ends at 4am local time, you might see there is a problem.
I live in Brisbane, and just planned ahead with saved and voyage chrons. My first decent finish on gauntlet, due in part to my having FE all my crew so I had disposable chrons to save, and the factions being made more undesirable to me so I concentrated on another type.
I finished about 500, but think if all those chrons I could have saved if I could be more frugal occasionally...
instead of aiming for a rank, aim for a certain VP score that would be guaranteed to finish top 1000. take the previous 1k score, add 2-3% on top of that and figure that will get you top 1k. you'll have more success that way
instead of aiming for a rank, aim for a certain VP score that would be guaranteed to finish top 1000. take the previous 1k score, add 2-3% on top of that and figure that will get you top 1k. you'll have more success that way
Great way to look at it. If you go up and down with the swings it will just drive you bonkers.
This is a solution looking for a problem. It's only an issue if you think in terms of "I know how many points *I* really have right now, but I don't know how many points *everyone else* really has right now." You actually do, though because until and unless those SR's are cashed in, they don't matter.
Realistically, you want to know how solid your ranking is at any moment so you know how comfortably you can stop playing. I would suggest basing that decision less on what anyone else is doing and more on how you feel about continuing to do it. If you're sick of crafting, stop crafting. If you still have some left in the tank and you want to be as competitive as you can, keep crafting. You don't need to know how anyone else is doing to know how you feel about this.
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That is regular problem/issue/dificulty for me. I'm always at job in the final hours of event.
So you are for having advantage over those who are not able to plan how to avoid meetings at job? If those rares were turned three hours earlier, lot of people not on a meeting would have oportunity lasting for 3 hours to play for better result and to again push down.
Trying to force other players to play your way because you don't like their methods seems pretty petty and childish to me.
If DB were going to make changes i would rather they remove the animations you get when you create an item. As they waste so much time
And it’s reasons such as this that I turn them in as I go. You just never know what may happen
It’s a competition. The role of my gameplay isn’t to make your gameplay easier. Just my two cents...
No, I'm for choices. This player insinuates they could have easily turned in earlier. It was their choice to wait. They could have gotten the benefit from all the points had they turned in earlier, but they banked on being able to get a higher rank for less effort if they waited. They gambled on waiting, and lost. That's not the game's fault.
You get that this is major hole in your argument right? That getting rid of this this type of min/maxing is exactly what delayed scoring is there to achieve? The uncertainty is there by design to encourage people to give an event their all, not half **tsk tsk** it.
My reasoning for hoarding the SRs is mainly to be guaranteeing myself the win later if I stay on top of the event. I did drop my SRs in with 90 minutes to go today, but I was already in or around 1k when I did. The end of the event is pretty crazy, it's nice to be able to just step over it like that and go about my day.
Did I spend too many chrons? Yep, but I paid the certainty equivalence to get out of a gamble that's there by design.
What happens if the game crashes in the last 15 minutes, as it has in the past, during a galaxy event.
What happens if you get pulled into a work meeting
What happens if your car breaks down
What happens if your cat claws the living crap out of you?
What happens if LA falls into the Pacific?
What happens when Jesus' second coming happens?
(maybe you get the point)
Failure to account for these types of issues does not constitute having to change the structure of how the event is played on everyone else's part.
Some of the best players adapt to possible situations and even come up with new ideas, when everyone else catches onto what you're doing. Figure out something new and go with it. Don't try to change the game for everyone else when you can't adapt to what possibilities may rise
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I always turn in first thing in the morning. If you didn't have enough by Sunday evening, you weren't trying hard enough anyways.
If i'm serious about a Galaxy I always hoard. Sometimes I might do early turn-ins to rush the threshold crew if I need it.
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Thank you for your sarcasm. I don't believe in magic and I know where and how the SR's are earned and claimed. I was trying to bring up an issue that affects game play and balance, especially for those in other time zones. Obstacles will not encourage people to play this game and as it becomes less enjoyable, participation declines. Since I see I am in the minority on this issue I will end my discussion on this topic.
Thread closed.
No. I’m for leveling the playing field so, regardless of time zone, everyone is on equal footing. No other event type allows players to hoard rewards and cash them in at the last second for a huge jump in score. I am all about player choice. People can choose to spend the chronitons to get the points they need without hoarding or they can not spend those and get a lower ranking.
Some players have 100000 Chronitons, some have 1000. Some make the effort to prefarm items for Galaxy events, some don´t. Some spend decent cash on this game, some spend nothing. So a level playing field and equal footing is utopic to the highest degree.
Also in case you are well prepared for this kind of event what others have, what others do, in which timezone they are etc. matters ZERO for a top 1000 finish or even a win as stellar Stellar Ice has proven by winning 2 Galaxies as VIP0. I was done with the event after 150 minutes on thursday and that was enough for a Top 500 finish, so...
Probably because it doesn't affect you. If you were impacted by late turn-ins every galaxy / hybrid the way I am, because the event ends at 4am local time, you might see there is a problem.
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I live in Brisbane, and just planned ahead with saved and voyage chrons. My first decent finish on gauntlet, due in part to my having FE all my crew so I had disposable chrons to save, and the factions being made more undesirable to me so I concentrated on another type.
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Yes 100% my friend!!! Instead of hoping the game adjusts to you, you adjust to the game. I kept coming up short on galaxies, thinking I had enough chrons to win, but someone always caught me. Saving for my last run, I pre-farmed like crazy cuz it seemed that’s what the winners did. Sure as dung I won! So instead of crying about how the game is against people who don’t pre-farm and the game should change that....I pre-farmed.
There was no sarcasm in that comment. In your scenario a player, let's call them Player A, "pushes and sets the pace all weekend" and then Player B swoops in out of nowhere and drops 100K worth of victory to deny Player A the opportunity "to match his / her opponent", so if not by magic and if this is as unfair as you claim it is, where did those 100K worth of victory come from?
I was unable to play this recent galaxy most of the weekend, essentially starting the event with 20 hours to go. I dropped a supply kit and burned through 7k chrons, clearing thresholds and fully equipping Chakotay & Etana, en route to a top-1500 finish. I was only aiming for top-1000, to FE Chakotay, but was on a flight this morning and knew I'd also be unavailable to play the last 3 hours of the event.
The great thing about galaxy events is the built-in flexibility of when you play, which is the polar opposite of faction events that dictate the need to play (at least 2 minutes) every 3 hours. Don't be upset at people who are able to maximize this benefit, which is available to all players.
I finished about 500, but think if all those chrons I could have saved if I could be more frugal occasionally...
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Great way to look at it. If you go up and down with the swings it will just drive you bonkers.
Realistically, you want to know how solid your ranking is at any moment so you know how comfortably you can stop playing. I would suggest basing that decision less on what anyone else is doing and more on how you feel about continuing to do it. If you're sick of crafting, stop crafting. If you still have some left in the tank and you want to be as competitive as you can, keep crafting. You don't need to know how anyone else is doing to know how you feel about this.