Raise the monthly card to 9.99 usd and include the premium campaign track for 30 days.
That is my hot take as a marketing guy with only cursory data available to me. I reserve the right to be horribly wrong
My thought exactly, essentially offering a Premium Monthly Card for double the price of a standard Monthly Card.
The problem I see is for casual spenders, are they going to buy their way into the premium rewards tier as an incremental purchase, or would that end up being their 'extra' purchase in the place of an occasional weekly offer such as the 10x10?
For me, it would be the latter, since I have so few 4* crew left to acquire/fuse. If I could gain access to the premium tier as part of a premium monthly card, that still feels like great value to play the game I enjoy, I'd be far more inclined to spend a few extra dollars per month. If it was more (even $10 per campaign), I would either skip it outright, or it would simply replace the odd spending I do on 10x10 offers (ie: no increased income for DB).
For $10/every 2 weeks, I’d probably be a spender. One thing I’d recommend is to tailor the offer to each player. If the legendary is one that I already have immortalized, I’m not likely to spend at all.
Given the, uh, “fuzzy” logic of how the Dabo wheel selects crew and items tailored to our needs, I think I would rather a hewmon be the one to curate the crew selections for everyone.
That’s a great thought. I’m totally buying it if it’s the one crew I have at 1/5. Otherwise I’m pretty indifferent about completing or spending on that. If it’s $20 I would much rather buy two ten for tens and get about 18000 honor for it rather than buying the premium track, working like crazy for a month, then get 8 or 9000 honor off it
That’s a great thought. I’m totally buying it if it’s the one crew I have at 1/5. Otherwise I’m pretty indifferent about completing or spending on that. If it’s $20 I would much rather buy two ten for tens and get about 18000 honor for it rather than buying the premium track, working like crazy for a month, then get 8 or 9000 honor off it
One thing that concerns me is if there are few or no added tiers for a month-long campaign. If there are still only 20 tiers, perhaps with increased levels of accolades to unlock each one, then you’re only getting 800 or 1350 honor for a month’s worth of activity (200 or 400 if you don’t go premium).
That’s a great thought. I’m totally buying it if it’s the one crew I have at 1/5. Otherwise I’m pretty indifferent about completing or spending on that. If it’s $20 I would much rather buy two ten for tens and get about 18000 honor for it rather than buying the premium track, working like crazy for a month, then get 8 or 9000 honor off it
One thing that concerns me is if there are few or no added tiers for a month-long campaign. If there are still only 20 tiers, perhaps with increased levels of accolades to unlock each one, then you’re only getting 800 or 1350 honor for a month’s worth of activity (200 or 400 if you don’t go premium).
It will be interesting to see if that’s adjusted. If so then I would assume there would be much greater reward possibilities as you go. Which would make purchasing the premium tier much more attractive
For $10/every 2 weeks, I’d probably be a spender. One thing I’d recommend is to tailor the offer to each player. If the legendary is one that I already have immortalized, I’m not likely to spend at all.
Given the, uh, “fuzzy” logic of how the Dabo wheel selects crew and items tailored to our needs, I think I would rather a hewmon be the one to curate the crew selections for everyone.
Alternatively, they could just make it a citation. That would be awesome.
That’s a great thought. I’m totally buying it if it’s the one crew I have at 1/5. Otherwise I’m pretty indifferent about completing or spending on that. If it’s $20 I would much rather buy two ten for tens and get about 18000 honor for it rather than buying the premium track, working like crazy for a month, then get 8 or 9000 honor off it
One thing that concerns me is if there are few or no added tiers for a month-long campaign. If there are still only 20 tiers, perhaps with increased levels of accolades to unlock each one, then you’re only getting 800 or 1350 honor for a month’s worth of activity (200 or 400 if you don’t go premium).
It will be interesting to see if that’s adjusted. If so then I would assume there would be much greater reward possibilities as you go. Which would make purchasing the premium tier much more attractive
That's the big question which makes judging this beta hard. If the length change will lead towards different rewards or higher targets for the same rewards.
If it's different rewards then who knows how we'll act with them. If it's higher targets for the same, then a month of activity for the current listed rewards will but excite me that much, especially the basic tier.
Everyone could just wait to see what the price is and then just buy the offer or not. Do we really need insanely long threads discussing it?
I think this discussion could be very valuable since DB has not finalized the price point and may appreciate input depending on their intentions/goals. It sure seemed like forum feedback (and probably also purchasing results) reduced those occasional legendary crew sales from $25 to $10. I'm sure they have a desire for this new revenue stream to be successful.
True it could be, except it appears that this beta is mainly to test the actual mechanics and we have no idea if things like the number of tiers, amounts of accolades needed and earned, tier rewards, etc. will even be the same as what they threw together for an eight day test (as opposed to the eventual month each campaign may last). Hard to give an educated comment on potential pricing if that's the case. Still, general ideas on pricing don't hurt I suppose.
Not sure why thousands of honor keeps on getting thrown around on this thread. The beta has 600 honor in the track total, including premium.
If what we're seeing here is an indication of what we can expect with the release, it's 800 free plus 1,600 for $$$ over the course of a month.
And to answer the original question, $5, maaaaybe $10 for the one 5* I really want. Other than that I'd pay $1 to get another star on a 5* I already have. I know $1 is lower than what it will probably be, so I likely won't be buying this.
Unless there is a considerable increase in the amount of honor (like 20,000+ on the premium track alone) when released that's where I'd stand.
I'm already starting to feel the burnout and annoyance after 2.5 days of chores. Unless this thing's like a buck, there's no way I'm adding more pain to the game and paying them for it to boot!
I'm already starting to feel the burnout and annoyance after 2.5 days of chores. Unless this thing's like a buck, there's no way I'm adding more pain to the game and paying them for it to boot!
Except this isn't asking you to do anything more than what the Daily Missions already asked you to do, and gives you more stuff for it? I don't really understand. If doing your dailies was already too much, I don't think there's much that can be done.
Not sure why thousands of honor keeps on getting thrown around on this thread. The beta has 600 honor in the track total, including premium.
If what we're seeing here is an indication of what we can expect with the release, it's 800 free plus 1,600 for $$$ over the course of a month.
And to answer the original question, $5, maaaaybe $10 for the one 5* I really want. Other than that I'd pay $1 to get another star on a 5* I already have. I know $1 is lower than what it will probably be, so I likely won't be buying this.
Unless there is a considerable increase in the amount of honor (like 20,000+ on the premium track alone) when released that's where I'd stand.
The honor I mention includes the honor from the portal pulls Plus if you airlock the end crew rewards. Also multiplied it by four as CloseThreadsRiker said they very well could cover a month
Why are threads like this not just posted in the stickied Campaigns bugs and feedback thread?
It's annoying
Because I didn't want to derail that thread. Like I told Paladin 27, I asked a very specific question, which was what would YOU be willing to pay for for this deal if the first legendary offered was YOUR most desirable card in the game? Considering this thread has had 1.5k views in a day, maybe the rest of the forum community finds this more thread more interesting than you do. That's totally fine. Feel free to ignore it. There are plenty of threads I ignore and I don't lose sleep over it.
Why are threads like this not just posted in the stickied Campaigns bugs and feedback thread?
It's annoying
Because I didn't want to derail that thread. Like I told Paladin 27, I asked a very specific question, which was what would YOU be willing to pay for for this deal if the first legendary offered was YOUR most desirable card in the game? Considering this thread has had 1.5k views in a day, maybe the rest of the forum community finds this more thread more interesting than you do. That's totally fine. Feel free to ignore it. There are plenty of threads I ignore and I don't lose sleep over it.
It’s a good thread and a good question and yes it was meant to go in a different direction. Quality stuff Smelly. And I would definitely pay $25 if it was the now two legendaries I need stars for. Plus I would definitely DYC for another star.
OK, let me try to chip in my two cents semi-analytically. Let me just say, first of all, that I think the non-premium part of this is a nice thing for DB to do; a free purple crew every week is very nice, as are some extra bits and bobs just for doing the normal daily missions. Anyway,
First, the stuff that isn't the legendary crew. 400 honor and 50 chrons...lovely bonus gift, but the contents of a single 8hr voyage with bad dilemma luck. 600 merits...also nice, but the contents of a good day and a half in the gauntlet. The equipment crates...potentially really nice, but a total crapshoot. So I'm going to call all of that "nice to have, but fluff overall."
The two shuttle boost packs and the premium 10-pull have real value. Were you to buy them yourself, and add the dil in the campaign levels, that's 1222 dil, or approximately $1.63 US (it's 40.73% of the monthly dil total). That's its on-paper value. Its value to me, personally? Much less, considering I'd never spend dil on the shuttle boosts and would be very unlikely to spend it on a normal 10-pack. But they definitely do have value, and shouldn't be ignored.
But of course most of us are going to be focused on that legendary crew. So let's take that alone. Durango Troi is particularly interesting, since she basically has been given an actual price tag, considering she was sold in a $9.99 offer a while back (an offer that I bought, for the record). For me, and for a lot of us, I think, that puts the absolute maximum non-insulting cost of this thing at $9.99. But of course, $9.99 would be pretty heavily overpriced, since we're not simply paying it and getting that card. We've got to hit every single daily mission for 7 days straight. For some of us, that might not be a big deal...I, for example, almost always do so. But there are frequently days when I can't, and those days would cost me 250 dil on top of the money I've already paid. Which would essentially erase the value of the "extras."
So I'd like to take the price down to the same level as the monthly card, but considering the real value in the extras, would bump it up to $4.99. Would I actually pay that? Depending on the legendary, sure, but certainly not once a week. I can't justify spending $24 a month on this game before any other one-time purchases like event crew, etc.
Soooo I'd say the objective value of this is about $5, but the price I expect is $10 with the extras as justification. I don't know about you all, but personally, the only crew I'd pay $10 for in this format is Gary Seven.
Raise the monthly card to 9.99 usd and include the premium campaign track for 30 days.
That is my hot take as a marketing guy with only cursory data available to me. I reserve the right to be horribly wrong
Not horribly wrong. I would pay that regularly without having to wonder who the card crews were, and choosing if i wanted them.
Its better than my idea which was essentially three cards. 1 di, 1 campaign, and 1 combo. However some ppl may want to stick with there di only card so maybe just two. The original di mo card, and a combo for 9.99.
The honor I mention includes the honor from the portal pulls Plus if you airlock the end crew rewards. Also multiplied it by four as CloseThreadsRiker said they very well could cover a month
In the third post on this thread you don't mention that it includes honor from portal pulls, which kinda stands out since you itemize everything and it includes both the 9,000 honor & all of the pulls in the list.
Regardless, the 9,000 honor is an overestimate. If you airlock everything (including 5*), it comes out to:
2,400 from campaign rewards
~3,800 from 4 10x pulls
~320 from 4 1x pulls
200 from 4* card
550 from 5* card
7,270 honor total
(Pull averages are calculated from the drop rates)
But practically people will buy this for the 5*, any 5* from the pulls, and maybe some lucky 4* that isn't FF. So I don't think we can even say 7,000 honor.
We don't know what the rewards over a month will even look like. You're assuming 4 pulls and then a single card at the end. It could be the existing 20 levels we see stretched out with higher accolades needed to achieve them. Or they could make it 80 levels and repeat everything we see. Until we know, it's pointless to talk about specific honor amounts being achieved, or any other reward really.
The honor I mention includes the honor from the portal pulls Plus if you airlock the end crew rewards. Also multiplied it by four as CloseThreadsRiker said they very well could cover a month
In the third post on this thread you don't mention that it includes honor from portal pulls, which kinda stands out since you itemize everything and it includes both the 9,000 honor & all of the pulls in the list.
Regardless, the 9,000 honor is an overestimate. If you airlock everything (including 5*), it comes out to:
2,400 from campaign rewards
~3,800 from 4 10x pulls
~320 from 4 1x pulls
200 from 4* card
550 from 5* card
7,270 honor total
(Pull averages are calculated from the drop rates)
But practically people will buy this for the 5*, any 5* from the pulls, and maybe some lucky 4* that isn't FF. So I don't think we can even say 7,000 honor.
Yeah I learned a long time ago that someone on this forum will always come up with a more precise answer than one set forth. I stand by that estimate when extrapolated over a month and if you want to tweak it by one thousand I really don’t care
Many ideas, math and conversation. I like alot of the suggestions but upon further thought, since we really cannot anticipate what the entire reward structure will be and we dont know who the 1/5* on the paid section will be each time, and may just be converted to honor, i think $8.00 (for a combined card) of the di and the new card together.
But i had an idea of changing the 1/5 crew at the end to a 5* purchase token/ticket instead of a standard set crew. That way everyone could go to the vault, pick the 5* crew they wish to add a star, basically “cite”, or use it to purchase the 1/5 * they want to add to there collection. (Excluding gauntlet crew or honor hall crew) Giving the 1/5 of your choice i think $10.00 for a this combined card would be fair. That is $6.00 additional dollars per player per month.
Does anyone think this is an acceptable compromise for price vs 1/5* option?
@cptrios I enjoyed reading your train of thought and I think I’m on the same understanding.
There’s also been some great posts around about multi-level or combined monthly cards.
Could something like this be workable;
1- Basic monthly card (3.99)
2- Elite monthly card, includes above and premium track (9.99)
3- Epic monthly card, includes 1&2 above, plus something else (1000 honor a day?), (14.99)
This is a great idea. Like I said, I'll spend on this game as long it's a consistent amount.This is the type of game where spending can get out of hand really quickly if you're not careful.
I think the vast majority of us agree that DB way overvalues legendary characters, so I'm guessing none of us are going to be surprised if the price for the premium campaign rewards are beyond what most of us find reasonable.
So hypothetically, for the sake of this discussion, let's assume the first legendary they actually offer for money is YOUR most desirable legendary in the game. What would YOU be willing to pay for it?
Personally, while I think the other premium rewards are a nice bonus, I can't say that I'd actually buy them on their own for any price. So for me, I'd be basing my purchasing decision solely on the value of the legendary. That said, I'd go as high as $20 for Killy, but beyond that, what I'd be willing to pay for other characters would drop to zero pretty fast. So I'm curious what your thoughts are?
I'm with you on Killy, but I'd only go to $15. But that's because I would want two copies and I'd take the DYC offer. So realistically, DB would be getting $40 from me if they set their price point right. Also realistically, I'd do $15 for any of the top 12 voyage crew in the portal. (Minus FO Burnham because she's already done.) I'd also do $15 for crew like Judge Q, who I probably won't use, but would just like to have.
Edit: I would like to add that for other crew that I don't care about, the price point goes way down to $5. If DB is confident in their ability to put up quality legendaries, then go for $15. But since their track record is questionable, I recommend $5-$10.
You know one thing I forgot. I can wait until I cleared all tiers. At that point, I can make my decision to buy. So I can have something similar to the Tuesday legend offer and I can decide whether to do it or not.
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My thought exactly, essentially offering a Premium Monthly Card for double the price of a standard Monthly Card.
The problem I see is for casual spenders, are they going to buy their way into the premium rewards tier as an incremental purchase, or would that end up being their 'extra' purchase in the place of an occasional weekly offer such as the 10x10?
For me, it would be the latter, since I have so few 4* crew left to acquire/fuse. If I could gain access to the premium tier as part of a premium monthly card, that still feels like great value to play the game I enjoy, I'd be far more inclined to spend a few extra dollars per month. If it was more (even $10 per campaign), I would either skip it outright, or it would simply replace the odd spending I do on 10x10 offers (ie: no increased income for DB).
Given the, uh, “fuzzy” logic of how the Dabo wheel selects crew and items tailored to our needs, I think I would rather a hewmon be the one to curate the crew selections for everyone.
One thing that concerns me is if there are few or no added tiers for a month-long campaign. If there are still only 20 tiers, perhaps with increased levels of accolades to unlock each one, then you’re only getting 800 or 1350 honor for a month’s worth of activity (200 or 400 if you don’t go premium).
It will be interesting to see if that’s adjusted. If so then I would assume there would be much greater reward possibilities as you go. Which would make purchasing the premium tier much more attractive
Alternatively, they could just make it a citation. That would be awesome.
That's the big question which makes judging this beta hard. If the length change will lead towards different rewards or higher targets for the same rewards.
If it's different rewards then who knows how we'll act with them. If it's higher targets for the same, then a month of activity for the current listed rewards will but excite me that much, especially the basic tier.
True it could be, except it appears that this beta is mainly to test the actual mechanics and we have no idea if things like the number of tiers, amounts of accolades needed and earned, tier rewards, etc. will even be the same as what they threw together for an eight day test (as opposed to the eventual month each campaign may last). Hard to give an educated comment on potential pricing if that's the case. Still, general ideas on pricing don't hurt I suppose.
If what we're seeing here is an indication of what we can expect with the release, it's 800 free plus 1,600 for $$$ over the course of a month.
And to answer the original question, $5, maaaaybe $10 for the one 5* I really want. Other than that I'd pay $1 to get another star on a 5* I already have. I know $1 is lower than what it will probably be, so I likely won't be buying this.
Unless there is a considerable increase in the amount of honor (like 20,000+ on the premium track alone) when released that's where I'd stand.
Except this isn't asking you to do anything more than what the Daily Missions already asked you to do, and gives you more stuff for it? I don't really understand. If doing your dailies was already too much, I don't think there's much that can be done.
PM for details.
So long and thanks for all the fish.
The honor I mention includes the honor from the portal pulls Plus if you airlock the end crew rewards. Also multiplied it by four as CloseThreadsRiker said they very well could cover a month
For some people complaining about each and every part of STT all the time is their game, their concept of "fun"...
Because I didn't want to derail that thread. Like I told Paladin 27, I asked a very specific question, which was what would YOU be willing to pay for for this deal if the first legendary offered was YOUR most desirable card in the game? Considering this thread has had 1.5k views in a day, maybe the rest of the forum community finds this more thread more interesting than you do. That's totally fine. Feel free to ignore it. There are plenty of threads I ignore and I don't lose sleep over it.
It’s a good thread and a good question and yes it was meant to go in a different direction. Quality stuff Smelly. And I would definitely pay $25 if it was the now two legendaries I need stars for. Plus I would definitely DYC for another star.
First, the stuff that isn't the legendary crew. 400 honor and 50 chrons...lovely bonus gift, but the contents of a single 8hr voyage with bad dilemma luck. 600 merits...also nice, but the contents of a good day and a half in the gauntlet. The equipment crates...potentially really nice, but a total crapshoot. So I'm going to call all of that "nice to have, but fluff overall."
The two shuttle boost packs and the premium 10-pull have real value. Were you to buy them yourself, and add the dil in the campaign levels, that's 1222 dil, or approximately $1.63 US (it's 40.73% of the monthly dil total). That's its on-paper value. Its value to me, personally? Much less, considering I'd never spend dil on the shuttle boosts and would be very unlikely to spend it on a normal 10-pack. But they definitely do have value, and shouldn't be ignored.
But of course most of us are going to be focused on that legendary crew. So let's take that alone. Durango Troi is particularly interesting, since she basically has been given an actual price tag, considering she was sold in a $9.99 offer a while back (an offer that I bought, for the record). For me, and for a lot of us, I think, that puts the absolute maximum non-insulting cost of this thing at $9.99. But of course, $9.99 would be pretty heavily overpriced, since we're not simply paying it and getting that card. We've got to hit every single daily mission for 7 days straight. For some of us, that might not be a big deal...I, for example, almost always do so. But there are frequently days when I can't, and those days would cost me 250 dil on top of the money I've already paid. Which would essentially erase the value of the "extras."
So I'd like to take the price down to the same level as the monthly card, but considering the real value in the extras, would bump it up to $4.99. Would I actually pay that? Depending on the legendary, sure, but certainly not once a week. I can't justify spending $24 a month on this game before any other one-time purchases like event crew, etc.
Soooo I'd say the objective value of this is about $5, but the price I expect is $10 with the extras as justification. I don't know about you all, but personally, the only crew I'd pay $10 for in this format is Gary Seven.
There’s also been some great posts around about multi-level or combined monthly cards.
Could something like this be workable;
1- Basic monthly card (3.99)
2- Elite monthly card, includes above and premium track (9.99)
3- Epic monthly card, includes 1&2 above, plus something else (1000 honor a day?), (14.99)
Not horribly wrong. I would pay that regularly without having to wonder who the card crews were, and choosing if i wanted them.
Its better than my idea which was essentially three cards. 1 di, 1 campaign, and 1 combo. However some ppl may want to stick with there di only card so maybe just two. The original di mo card, and a combo for 9.99.
In the third post on this thread you don't mention that it includes honor from portal pulls, which kinda stands out since you itemize everything and it includes both the 9,000 honor & all of the pulls in the list.
Regardless, the 9,000 honor is an overestimate. If you airlock everything (including 5*), it comes out to:
2,400 from campaign rewards
~3,800 from 4 10x pulls
~320 from 4 1x pulls
200 from 4* card
550 from 5* card
7,270 honor total
(Pull averages are calculated from the drop rates)
But practically people will buy this for the 5*, any 5* from the pulls, and maybe some lucky 4* that isn't FF. So I don't think we can even say 7,000 honor.
Yeah I learned a long time ago that someone on this forum will always come up with a more precise answer than one set forth. I stand by that estimate when extrapolated over a month and if you want to tweak it by one thousand I really don’t care
But i had an idea of changing the 1/5 crew at the end to a 5* purchase token/ticket instead of a standard set crew. That way everyone could go to the vault, pick the 5* crew they wish to add a star, basically “cite”, or use it to purchase the 1/5 * they want to add to there collection. (Excluding gauntlet crew or honor hall crew) Giving the 1/5 of your choice i think $10.00 for a this combined card would be fair. That is $6.00 additional dollars per player per month.
Does anyone think this is an acceptable compromise for price vs 1/5* option?
This is a great idea. Like I said, I'll spend on this game as long it's a consistent amount.This is the type of game where spending can get out of hand really quickly if you're not careful.
I'm with you on Killy, but I'd only go to $15. But that's because I would want two copies and I'd take the DYC offer. So realistically, DB would be getting $40 from me if they set their price point right. Also realistically, I'd do $15 for any of the top 12 voyage crew in the portal. (Minus FO Burnham because she's already done.) I'd also do $15 for crew like Judge Q, who I probably won't use, but would just like to have.
Edit: I would like to add that for other crew that I don't care about, the price point goes way down to $5. If DB is confident in their ability to put up quality legendaries, then go for $15. But since their track record is questionable, I recommend $5-$10.
(All prices in USD)
Some of the suggested price points might be a little high. Or something is......
You want engagement by more players? You don't price out the majority of the players.
I would suggest two Tiers of Monthly Cards:
Tier One = The current Card. 100 Dilithium a day for 30 days
Tier Two = 100 Dilithium a day plus the Campaign for a month
Tier One remains $3.99
Tier Two would be $7.99 - $9.99
Also, the amount of Chronies in the paid Tier needs to be 250 instead of 25. 25 is way too low. Especially in a cashy money Tier!!!