Aside from the respective merits of each series and the franchise...
Discovery Janeway is needed as a cheeky wink with a smile to us who play the game
Why would you wish for something that is sure to annoy many of your fellow players? Why would DB want to annoy many in its player base unnecessarily? It is needless trolling. You will have to justify the benefits over the costs, because right now it looks like you want something *because* you want to make others mad.
Cant rememember which thread I saw it in recently but I thought I would start a new thread for the topic itself.
Basically...we really do need a Discovery era Janeway in this game!!!
Story wise it can fit in- as the current Admiral Janeway looking for Discovery plot proves...plus we have a whole load of Voyager / Janeway time travel sagas from the tv show it could fit in to to make it happen ( Braxton sends Janeway back...Annorax mis calculates, Q wants to test her skills...etc etc)
Clearly its a timelines original card, and for this we already have precidents in COP Founder Picard and 23rd Century Martok in the portal already.
So Please, pretty please DB....can we have a Discovery Janeway???
Would be a nice new honor hall/gauntlet beasty
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And all Star Trek is progressive. Gene Rodenberry made it so.
To be fair to Discovery it has gone a lot further more explicitly than any previous Star Trek. I consider this it's greatest strength. For many years Star Trek was a little uncomfortable with progressiveness, with plenty of issues in all of the previous series regarding depiction of women and minorities despite the nice words it would say from time to time.
It's not just TOS, TNG dreadfully underserved it's female cast members and had an openly racist episode. Enterprise and Voyager potentially went even further against the trend by having explicitly sexualised cast members. Basically Star Trek hasn't always been as progressive as it could have been even by the standards of the time. Discovery to its credit cannot have the same charge levelled against it.
Now if only they could have married good ideas to good writing.... Still, I live in hope.
I think that is such a sad indictment on society that Discovery is seen as very progressive. Why is it very progressive to be inclusive and to say hate and racism are bad? Why is following The Golden Rule seen as being very progressive and not just as common decency?
Because large swathes of the population disagree with you that these are common decency. The English speaking world is currently rife with divisions around these issues. How can you live and not see these things everywhere around you?
My own response is to challenge people but not to bait them.
Do we have a Janeway with a diplomacy primary skill? If not she should get it. Maybe with command and medical....because....well...why not. Maybe she's there to "heal" the mycelial network after a possible borg or 8472 attack on it...or even better a KAZON attack!!
Evolved Janeway has DIP as her?.. its primary skill, but I do not think your question encompassed fusion cards, so that leaves Agent Janeway. 🖖
Do we have a Janeway with a diplomacy primary skill? If not she should get it. Maybe with command and medical....because....well...why not. Maybe she's there to "heal" the mycelial network after a possible borg or 8472 attack on it...or even better a KAZON attack!!
Evolved Janeway has DIP as her?.. its primary skill, but I do not think your question encompassed fusion cards, so that leaves Agent Janeway. 🖖
I tend to associate Lucille Davenport more with that specific Collection's rewards than with the portals or ET packs, but your statement is true enough. LLAP
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Frankly, I’d go all out to get Discovery Janeway. Not because I like Disco (never seen an ep) and not even because I’m a huge Janeway fan (though I like her well enough, she’s not my fav.)
No, I’d go all out, because of this is the art they’d base the card on, the art is incredible. I’ve picked bad cards before solely because of the art, and not picked good cards because the art was hideous.
It’s be arguably the best looking card with (most-likely) very good to good stats.
I’d be happy to give DB the money for this card, and I’d open my wallet more if more characters had great art.
And all Star Trek is progressive. Gene Rodenberry made it so.
To be fair to Discovery it has gone a lot further more explicitly than any previous Star Trek. I consider this it's greatest strength. For many years Star Trek was a little uncomfortable with progressiveness, with plenty of issues in all of the previous series regarding depiction of women and minorities despite the nice words it would say from time to time.
It's not just TOS, TNG dreadfully underserved it's female cast members and had an openly racist episode. Enterprise and Voyager potentially went even further against the trend by having explicitly sexualised cast members. Basically Star Trek hasn't always been as progressive as it could have been even by the standards of the time. Discovery to its credit cannot have the same charge levelled against it.
Now if only they could have married good ideas to good writing.... Still, I live in hope.
I think that is such a sad indictment on society that Discovery is seen as very progressive. Why is it very progressive to be inclusive and to say hate and racism are bad? Why is following The Golden Rule seen as being very progressive and not just as common decency?
I'd like to agree with you, but I think that DSC can be considered progressive (or at least it's trying to be) because we're having discussions right now that seemed to be long over and very conservative views gaining a lot of traction all over the world, which the show openly challenges. So depending on where we'll go from here, while it might not be very progressive now, it may well be perceived that way 10 years from now (I hope not, but who knows).
And this is probably a controversial opinion, but I don't think that VOY, DS9 or ENT are progressive at all. TOS was for sure, for its time, and TNG also tried to carry on with that, but all the later shows were a representation of what a vast majority of people in western countries would consider reasonable for their own societies at the time when the shows aired. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I just find it weird to think of it as a progressive vision of the future, unless the definition of progressive is based only on scientific progress and a general optimism about future people and societies. But I always assumed that what people mean when they refer to something as progressive, is socially progressive.
Since I could use another STT original crew member for the collection, I've decided I like this idea, so long as she's a 4* that's featured in an event.
Aside from the respective merits of each series and the franchise...
Discovery Janeway is needed as a cheeky wink with a smile to us who play the game
Why would you wish for something that is sure to annoy many of your fellow players? Why would DB want to annoy many in its player base unnecessarily? It is needless trolling. You will have to justify the benefits over the costs, because right now it looks like you want something *because* you want to make others mad.
Would it annoy that many players though...really? Or would most be easy going enough and see it as the light hearted bit of fun it would be. Especially after other Timelines originals we've had? (Army / MASH Odo stands out as one example)
I dont think any Trekkers who have played this game for a long time...especially ones such as myself who have been here since year one...would be precious enough to not appreciate the light hearted irony of the Discovery Janeway card. As would be the case if we had a TNG era Burnham, an Assimilated Stammets or an Aviator Saru.
I'm sorry you feel this request is trolling. It really isnt meant to be...its just meant to be a bit of fun for a game that has a fanbase that...im sure...on the whole can "get" and appreciate the joke / card.
And all Star Trek is progressive. Gene Rodenberry made it so.
To be fair to Discovery it has gone a lot further more explicitly than any previous Star Trek. I consider this it's greatest strength. For many years Star Trek was a little uncomfortable with progressiveness, with plenty of issues in all of the previous series regarding depiction of women and minorities despite the nice words it would say from time to time.
It's not just TOS, TNG dreadfully underserved it's female cast members and had an openly racist episode. Enterprise and Voyager potentially went even further against the trend by having explicitly sexualised cast members. Basically Star Trek hasn't always been as progressive as it could have been even by the standards of the time. Discovery to its credit cannot have the same charge levelled against it.
Now if only they could have married good ideas to good writing.... Still, I live in hope.
I think that is such a sad indictment on society that Discovery is seen as very progressive. Why is it very progressive to be inclusive and to say hate and racism are bad? Why is following The Golden Rule seen as being very progressive and not just as common decency?
Because large swathes of the population disagree with you that these are common decency. The English speaking world is currently rife with divisions around these issues. How can you live and not see these things everywhere around you?
My own response is to challenge people but not to bait them.
That is why it is a sad indictment of society that people would not only have a problem with a show having a black female lead and two gay characters that believe in dental hygiene but rail against the show and try to get it cancelled.
Aside from the respective merits of each series and the franchise...
Discovery Janeway is needed as a cheeky wink with a smile to us who play the game
Why would you wish for something that is sure to annoy many of your fellow players? Why would DB want to annoy many in its player base unnecessarily? It is needless trolling. You will have to justify the benefits over the costs, because right now it looks like you want something *because* you want to make others mad.
I campaigned for TAS and Niners back on the old forum in part because I sincerely wanted them, and in part because there was a dude who kept threads going for pages lecturing how those aren't real Star Trek and if DB knew what was good for them, they wouldn't alienate him because it would hurt their bottom line.
And all Star Trek is progressive. Gene Rodenberry made it so.
To be fair to Discovery it has gone a lot further more explicitly than any previous Star Trek. I consider this it's greatest strength. For many years Star Trek was a little uncomfortable with progressiveness, with plenty of issues in all of the previous series regarding depiction of women and minorities despite the nice words it would say from time to time.
It's not just TOS, TNG dreadfully underserved it's female cast members and had an openly racist episode. Enterprise and Voyager potentially went even further against the trend by having explicitly sexualised cast members. Basically Star Trek hasn't always been as progressive as it could have been even by the standards of the time. Discovery to its credit cannot have the same charge levelled against it.
Now if only they could have married good ideas to good writing.... Still, I live in hope.
I think that is such a sad indictment on society that Discovery is seen as very progressive. Why is it very progressive to be inclusive and to say hate and racism are bad? Why is following The Golden Rule seen as being very progressive and not just as common decency?
Because large swathes of the population disagree with you that these are common decency. The English speaking world is currently rife with divisions around these issues. How can you live and not see these things everywhere around you?
My own response is to challenge people but not to bait them.
That is why it is a sad indictment of society that people would not only have a problem with a show having a black female lead and two gay characters that believe in dental hygiene but rail against the show and try to get it cancelled.
You can bemoan reality or you can approach it in a more intelligent way. Minds change over time and the trend is broadly in the direction of more progressiveness. One way you don't change minds is if you attack people or laugh at them. Doing that sets up feedback loops that makes people become invested in their opinions to the point that changing their mind becomes incredibly difficult.
Everyone's allowed to have opinions and is allowed to disagree, that's what sparks good discussions, that being said, my opinion is that Voyager was meh and Discovery is awful..... Yet I'd still go after this card.... what is wrong with me
My issue with Voyager wasn't even really Janeway, although she was objectively a pretty terrible captain a lot of the time, it was other things like ignoring major plot points about limited resources established early on in the show... that and the completely boring and flat first officer on the show made my overall enjoyment pretty limited
I won't bother getting into picking apart Discovery... we'll just agree to disagree there
Everyone's allowed to have opinions and is allowed to disagree, that's what sparks good discussions, that being said, my opinion is that Voyager was meh and Discovery is awful..... Yet I'd still go after this card.... what is wrong with me
My issue with Voyager wasn't even really Janeway, although she was objectively a pretty terrible captain a lot of the time, it was other things like ignoring major plot points about limited resources established early on in the show... that and the completely boring and flat first officer on the show made my overall enjoyment pretty limited
I won't bother getting into picking apart Discovery... we'll just agree to disagree there
I’ve said it before, I’m saying it now, and I’ll say it again - the Voyager writers absolutely dropped the ball on Chakotay. There was so much potential for his character and they completely failed to capitalize on it.
Everyone's allowed to have opinions and is allowed to disagree, that's what sparks good discussions, that being said, my opinion is that Voyager was meh and Discovery is awful..... Yet I'd still go after this card.... what is wrong with me
My issue with Voyager wasn't even really Janeway, although she was objectively a pretty terrible captain a lot of the time, it was other things like ignoring major plot points about limited resources established early on in the show... that and the completely boring and flat first officer on the show made my overall enjoyment pretty limited
I won't bother getting into picking apart Discovery... we'll just agree to disagree there
I’ve said it before, I’m saying it now, and I’ll say it again - the Voyager writers absolutely dropped the ball on Chakotay. There was so much potential for his character and they completely failed to capitalize on it.
"Akoocheemoya. We are far from the sacred places of our acting schools......and I forgotten those lessons anyway." Need proof, try to sit through Manticore or Fire Serpent....
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please dont ps other role's body add a janeway head on it.
And VOY only take great efforts to write janeway, seven and the doctor, then they almost forgot other roles, Chakotay was the unluckiest
You can bemoan reality or you can approach it in an intelligent way. Minds change over time and the trend is broadly in the direction of more progressiveness. One way you don't change minds is if you attack people or laugh at them. Doing that sets up feedback loops that makes people become invested in their opinions to the point that changing their mind becomes incredibly difficult.
Just stop. This person is in agreement with you on the state of things. There's no reason to imply they are being unintelligent. This person isn't suggesting attacking or laughing at anyone. Just let it go.
You can bemoan reality or you can approach it in an intelligent way. Minds change over time and the trend is broadly in the direction of more progressiveness. One way you don't change minds is if you attack people or laugh at them. Doing that sets up feedback loops that makes people become invested in their opinions to the point that changing their mind becomes incredibly difficult.
Just stop. This person is in agreement with you on the state of things. There's no reason to imply they are being unintelligent. This person isn't suggesting attacking or laughing at anyone. Just let it go.
I wasn't implying that the OP was unintelligent, but I am suggesting that there is a more intelligent way forward. If the OP has that interpretation I unreservedly apologise.
I do however disagree that the mashup Janeway isn't an attack (of sorts) albeit a mild one. The nature of the original suggestion back in the day was a parody of the worst aspects of what DB was churning out at the time, oodles of Burnham's and Janeways. There was much criticism, some based on a general dislike of Discovery and the rest on repetition of the same character over and over. Mirror Janeway was the final eyeroll at the time IIRC. They have improved enormously since then thankfully. The Burnham/Janeway mashup would just be DB sticking two fingers up to the community in my view even if there are some who would love it.
(I just don't understand the why people would like it, what is the vector of enjoyment. Is it that it's just a nice picture? Why would DB want to celebrate their own failure? Why would you want them to?)
Edit: I have edited my previous response for better wording.
(I just don't understand the why people would like it, what is the vector of enjoyment. Is it that it's just a nice picture? Why would DB want to celebrate their own failure? Why would you want them to?)
Edit: I have edited my previous response for better wording.
Re: your last question. I have already stated this above, but in case you didn’t read it, I think the art itself is amazing. Plus, (and this may be shallow of me) the artist didn’t use Voyager-era Kate Mulgrew (who is okay looking, no shame there), they used Ryan’s Hope-era Kate Mulgrew (who was smoking hot). If Ryan’s Hope-era Kate Mulgrew has been on Trek, she’d have been the best looking lead in Trek by a mile (sorry, Jeri Ryan.)
So yeah, I love the art, and if they made it into a card, it’d be arguably the best in the game.
I know Janeway is not well liked, but I liked the character. A poor captain, sometimes a hypocrite, and just generally, deeply flawed, but I liked her anyway. Variations of her make up a disproportionate amount of my crew. I’ll always take another version of her (weak or strong) and this one looks particularly good.
This opinion is expressed with no intent regarding other players. It is based solely on the fact that I would like to have it.
Edit: If putting her in a Disco uniform is too odd, how about using that head for a Cadet Janeway?
Ryan's hope ear janeway, best looking in st history? in fans idea, she always best looking even now. And in fans' idea, she has greater performance than the lady of Hollywood.
You can bemoan reality or you can approach it in an intelligent way. Minds change over time and the trend is broadly in the direction of more progressiveness. One way you don't change minds is if you attack people or laugh at them. Doing that sets up feedback loops that makes people become invested in their opinions to the point that changing their mind becomes incredibly difficult.
Just stop. This person is in agreement with you on the state of things. There's no reason to imply they are being unintelligent. This person isn't suggesting attacking or laughing at anyone. Just let it go.
I wasn't implying that the OP was unintelligent, but I am suggesting that there is a more intelligent way forward. If the OP has that interpretation I unreservedly apologise.
I do however disagree that the mashup Janeway isn't an attack (of sorts) albeit a mild one. The nature of the original suggestion back in the day was a parody of the worst aspects of what DB was churning out at the time, oodles of Burnham's and Janeways. There was much criticism, some based on a general dislike of Discovery and the rest on repetition of the same character over and over. Mirror Janeway was the final eyeroll at the time IIRC. They have improved enormously since then thankfully. The Burnham/Janeway mashup would just be DB sticking two fingers up to the community in my view even if there are some who would love it.
(I just don't understand the why people would like it, what is the vector of enjoyment. Is it that it's just a nice picture? Why would DB want to celebrate their own failure? Why would you want them to?)
Edit: I have edited my previous response for better wording.
Healthy debate and a difference of opinion in a reasoned manner is what makes 99.9999% of trekkers the best fans there are.
I did not intend for the Disco Jan suggestion to be an attack, just a wry joke for the community; but I totally respect your opinion and see your argument on this matter. I'm sure many others do too as well as others who see my point too.
I'm also really glad this thread has not turned in to a troll fest and is full of comments genuinely debating the card.
I know Janeway is not well liked, but I liked the character. A poor captain, sometimes a hypocrite, and just generally, deeply flawed, but I liked her anyway. Variations of her make up a disproportionate amount of my crew. I’ll always take another version of her (weak or strong) and this one looks particularly good.
This opinion is expressed with no intent regarding other players. It is based solely on the fact that I would like to have it.
Edit: If putting her in a Disco uniform is too odd, how about using that head for a Cadet Janeway?
RE THE FINAL 2 LINES:
As in "Mosaic Janeway"?? (See image) Could be considered canon too considering the author of the book and the reader of the audiobook version
Why would you wish for something that is sure to annoy many of your fellow players? Why would DB want to annoy many in its player base unnecessarily? It is needless trolling. You will have to justify the benefits over the costs, because right now it looks like you want something *because* you want to make others mad.
Can we bin this "I'm offended therefore you're trolling" view? It's passive-aggressive and dishonest.
It would be fun to see the DISCO Janeway card, not because it would annoy others, but because it has become something of a minor meme from when there were loads of Janeways released in a relatively short period of time.
Yes, some players would have a big strop about it, but you don't make decisions based on the fact some people think the world owes their sense of umbrage some form of validation over some pixels.
Why would you wish for something that is sure to annoy many of your fellow players? Why would DB want to annoy many in its player base unnecessarily? It is needless trolling. You will have to justify the benefits over the costs, because right now it looks like you want something *because* you want to make others mad.
Can we bin this "I'm offended therefore you're trolling" view? It's passive-aggressive and dishonest.
It would be fun to see the DISCO Janeway card, not because it would annoy others, but because it has become something of a minor meme from when there were loads of Janeways released in a relatively short period of time.
Yes, some players would have a big strop about it, but you don't make decisions based on the fact some people think the world owes their sense of umbrage some form of validation over some pixels.
Your first paragraph is the most intelligent thing I’ve read on here in a long time
I’ve said it before, I’m saying it now, and I’ll say it again - the Voyager writers absolutely dropped the ball on Chakotay. There was so much potential for his character and they completely failed to capitalize on it.
The entire show was something of a mess, which is worse given they had something of a blank slate.
There were some really good plots, including some challenging ones (when Neelix was brought back from the dead for example), but constantly let down by little overall consistency.
No matter how battered the ship got, by the time the next story rolled along it looked brand new and its shuttles and torpedoes were magically replenished despite their limited number being highlighted in S1.
And of course the whole "lack of water" thing. Apparently no one in the delta quadrant had considered combusting the most abundant element in the universe in the stuff pretty much everyone breathed.
VOY should have been a lighter, Trekkier, version of the BSG remake IMO.
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Why would you wish for something that is sure to annoy many of your fellow players? Why would DB want to annoy many in its player base unnecessarily? It is needless trolling. You will have to justify the benefits over the costs, because right now it looks like you want something *because* you want to make others mad.
Would be a nice new honor hall/gauntlet beasty
Because large swathes of the population disagree with you that these are common decency. The English speaking world is currently rife with divisions around these issues. How can you live and not see these things everywhere around you?
My own response is to challenge people but not to bait them.
You also forgot about Lucille Davenport.
I tend to associate Lucille Davenport more with that specific Collection's rewards than with the portals or ET packs, but your statement is true enough. LLAP
No, I’d go all out, because of this is the art they’d base the card on, the art is incredible. I’ve picked bad cards before solely because of the art, and not picked good cards because the art was hideous.
It’s be arguably the best looking card with (most-likely) very good to good stats.
I’d be happy to give DB the money for this card, and I’d open my wallet more if more characters had great art.
I'd like to agree with you, but I think that DSC can be considered progressive (or at least it's trying to be) because we're having discussions right now that seemed to be long over and very conservative views gaining a lot of traction all over the world, which the show openly challenges. So depending on where we'll go from here, while it might not be very progressive now, it may well be perceived that way 10 years from now (I hope not, but who knows).
And this is probably a controversial opinion, but I don't think that VOY, DS9 or ENT are progressive at all. TOS was for sure, for its time, and TNG also tried to carry on with that, but all the later shows were a representation of what a vast majority of people in western countries would consider reasonable for their own societies at the time when the shows aired. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I just find it weird to think of it as a progressive vision of the future, unless the definition of progressive is based only on scientific progress and a general optimism about future people and societies. But I always assumed that what people mean when they refer to something as progressive, is socially progressive.
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Would it annoy that many players though...really? Or would most be easy going enough and see it as the light hearted bit of fun it would be. Especially after other Timelines originals we've had? (Army / MASH Odo stands out as one example)
I dont think any Trekkers who have played this game for a long time...especially ones such as myself who have been here since year one...would be precious enough to not appreciate the light hearted irony of the Discovery Janeway card. As would be the case if we had a TNG era Burnham, an Assimilated Stammets or an Aviator Saru.
I'm sorry you feel this request is trolling. It really isnt meant to be...its just meant to be a bit of fun for a game that has a fanbase that...im sure...on the whole can "get" and appreciate the joke / card.
That is why it is a sad indictment of society that people would not only have a problem with a show having a black female lead and two gay characters that believe in dental hygiene but rail against the show and try to get it cancelled.
I campaigned for TAS and Niners back on the old forum in part because I sincerely wanted them, and in part because there was a dude who kept threads going for pages lecturing how those aren't real Star Trek and if DB knew what was good for them, they wouldn't alienate him because it would hurt their bottom line.
tl;dr Pettiness. Glorious pettiness.
You can bemoan reality or you can approach it in a more intelligent way. Minds change over time and the trend is broadly in the direction of more progressiveness. One way you don't change minds is if you attack people or laugh at them. Doing that sets up feedback loops that makes people become invested in their opinions to the point that changing their mind becomes incredibly difficult.
My issue with Voyager wasn't even really Janeway, although she was objectively a pretty terrible captain a lot of the time, it was other things like ignoring major plot points about limited resources established early on in the show... that and the completely boring and flat first officer on the show made my overall enjoyment pretty limited
I won't bother getting into picking apart Discovery... we'll just agree to disagree there
I’ve said it before, I’m saying it now, and I’ll say it again - the Voyager writers absolutely dropped the ball on Chakotay. There was so much potential for his character and they completely failed to capitalize on it.
"Akoocheemoya. We are far from the sacred places of our acting schools......and I forgotten those lessons anyway." Need proof, try to sit through Manticore or Fire Serpent....
And VOY only take great efforts to write janeway, seven and the doctor, then they almost forgot other roles, Chakotay was the unluckiest
Just stop. This person is in agreement with you on the state of things. There's no reason to imply they are being unintelligent. This person isn't suggesting attacking or laughing at anyone. Just let it go.
I wasn't implying that the OP was unintelligent, but I am suggesting that there is a more intelligent way forward. If the OP has that interpretation I unreservedly apologise.
I do however disagree that the mashup Janeway isn't an attack (of sorts) albeit a mild one. The nature of the original suggestion back in the day was a parody of the worst aspects of what DB was churning out at the time, oodles of Burnham's and Janeways. There was much criticism, some based on a general dislike of Discovery and the rest on repetition of the same character over and over. Mirror Janeway was the final eyeroll at the time IIRC. They have improved enormously since then thankfully. The Burnham/Janeway mashup would just be DB sticking two fingers up to the community in my view even if there are some who would love it.
(I just don't understand the why people would like it, what is the vector of enjoyment. Is it that it's just a nice picture? Why would DB want to celebrate their own failure? Why would you want them to?)
Edit: I have edited my previous response for better wording.
Re: your last question. I have already stated this above, but in case you didn’t read it, I think the art itself is amazing. Plus, (and this may be shallow of me) the artist didn’t use Voyager-era Kate Mulgrew (who is okay looking, no shame there), they used Ryan’s Hope-era Kate Mulgrew (who was smoking hot). If Ryan’s Hope-era Kate Mulgrew has been on Trek, she’d have been the best looking lead in Trek by a mile (sorry, Jeri Ryan.)
So yeah, I love the art, and if they made it into a card, it’d be arguably the best in the game.
This opinion is expressed with no intent regarding other players. It is based solely on the fact that I would like to have it.
Edit: If putting her in a Disco uniform is too odd, how about using that head for a Cadet Janeway?
Healthy debate and a difference of opinion in a reasoned manner is what makes 99.9999% of trekkers the best fans there are.
I did not intend for the Disco Jan suggestion to be an attack, just a wry joke for the community; but I totally respect your opinion and see your argument on this matter. I'm sure many others do too as well as others who see my point too.
I'm also really glad this thread has not turned in to a troll fest and is full of comments genuinely debating the card.
RE THE FINAL 2 LINES:
As in "Mosaic Janeway"?? (See image) Could be considered canon too considering the author of the book and the reader of the audiobook version
Can we bin this "I'm offended therefore you're trolling" view? It's passive-aggressive and dishonest.
It would be fun to see the DISCO Janeway card, not because it would annoy others, but because it has become something of a minor meme from when there were loads of Janeways released in a relatively short period of time.
Yes, some players would have a big strop about it, but you don't make decisions based on the fact some people think the world owes their sense of umbrage some form of validation over some pixels.
Your first paragraph is the most intelligent thing I’ve read on here in a long time
The entire show was something of a mess, which is worse given they had something of a blank slate.
There were some really good plots, including some challenging ones (when Neelix was brought back from the dead for example), but constantly let down by little overall consistency.
No matter how battered the ship got, by the time the next story rolled along it looked brand new and its shuttles and torpedoes were magically replenished despite their limited number being highlighted in S1.
And of course the whole "lack of water" thing. Apparently no one in the delta quadrant had considered combusting the most abundant element in the universe in the stuff pretty much everyone breathed.
VOY should have been a lighter, Trekkier, version of the BSG remake IMO.