I just wanted to point out that the ice is broken and we finally are getting Skirmish reruns. Maybe we will see more Skirmishes in the future due to this fact?
Wir, die Mirror Tribbles [MiT] haben freie Plätze zu vergeben. Kein Zwang und kein Stress, dafür aber Spaß, Discord und eine nette, hilfsbereite Gemeinschaft, incl. voll ausgebauter Starbase und täglich 700 ISM.
I just wanted to point out that the ice is broken and we finally are getting Skirmish reruns. Maybe we will see more Skirmishes in the future due to this fact?
I would be 100% okay and on board with it, even though I have Interfaced La Forge and Rev Phlox already immortalized.
Looking forward to the event DB! Great choices! A skirmish to get some honor, a La Forge to add another star to, and a cool Anson Mount Pike from a great Discovery episode! New Eden was my favorite Discovery episode of season 2. Here is what Pike will look like.
It has one of moments that irks me the most about Discovery, but otherwise a good episode. Episode spoiler:
Pike (standing next to Acting Captain Saru): Burnham, who should I take on my away team?
Saru didn't speak up. Burnham didn't bat an eyelash at undermining a senior officer. Nope. It's all about Burnham, regulations be damned.
That one moment just ruined the immersion for me. Other than that, it was classic Trek with the moral dilemma, sci-fi stuff, and courageous captain.
I think this problem that does occur from time to time in Discovery is due to making the main character someone who is not captain. But remember that many times star trek captains in other series would buck their admiral bosses intentionally and unintentionally from time to time.
Looking forward to the event DB! Great choices! A skirmish to get some honor, a La Forge to add another star to, and a cool Anson Mount Pike from a great Discovery episode! New Eden was my favorite Discovery episode of season 2. Here is what Pike will look like.
It has one of moments that irks me the most about Discovery, but otherwise a good episode. Episode spoiler:
Pike (standing next to Acting Captain Saru): Burnham, who should I take on my away team?
Saru didn't speak up. Burnham didn't bat an eyelash at undermining a senior officer. Nope. It's all about Burnham, regulations be damned.
That one moment just ruined the immersion for me. Other than that, it was classic Trek with the moral dilemma, sci-fi stuff, and courageous captain.
I rewatched the episode again and I was not bothered by the moment that bothered you.
As Burnham was going on the away mission and Saru was not it was logical for Pike to ask Burnham who they should take on the away team mission. And once Pike took command of the Discovery Saru was no longer exactly acting Captain but Commander though he does seem to outrank Burnham. But as the season ended and Pike left Saru was not named Captain. Now I will agree with you on the annoyance of revolving door captains and not having a clear command structure. It gets tiresome.
Looking forward to the event DB! Great choices! A skirmish to get some honor, a La Forge to add another star to, and a cool Anson Mount Pike from a great Discovery episode! New Eden was my favorite Discovery episode of season 2. Here is what Pike will look like.
It has one of moments that irks me the most about Discovery, but otherwise a good episode. Episode spoiler:
Pike (standing next to Acting Captain Saru): Burnham, who should I take on my away team?
Saru didn't speak up. Burnham didn't bat an eyelash at undermining a senior officer. Nope. It's all about Burnham, regulations be damned.
That one moment just ruined the immersion for me. Other than that, it was classic Trek with the moral dilemma, sci-fi stuff, and courageous captain.
I think this problem that does occur from time to time in Discovery is due to making the main character someone who is not captain. But remember that many times star trek captains in other series would buck their admiral bosses intentionally and unintentionally from time to time.
Looking forward to the event DB! Great choices! A skirmish to get some honor, a La Forge to add another star to, and a cool Anson Mount Pike from a great Discovery episode! New Eden was my favorite Discovery episode of season 2. Here is what Pike will look like.
It has one of moments that irks me the most about Discovery, but otherwise a good episode. Episode spoiler:
Pike (standing next to Acting Captain Saru): Burnham, who should I take on my away team?
Saru didn't speak up. Burnham didn't bat an eyelash at undermining a senior officer. Nope. It's all about Burnham, regulations be damned.
That one moment just ruined the immersion for me. Other than that, it was classic Trek with the moral dilemma, sci-fi stuff, and courageous captain.
I rewatched the episode again and I was not bothered by the moment that bothered you.
As Burnham was going on the away mission and Saru was not it was logical for Pike to ask Burnham who they should take on the away team mission. And once Pike took command of the Discovery Saru was no longer exactly acting Captain but Commander though he does seem to outrank Burnham. But as the season ended and Pike left Saru was not named Captain. Now I will agree with you on the annoyance of revolving door captains and not having a clear command structure. It gets tiresome.
I don't share @Prime LorQa [10F]'s umbrage at that particular incident, in large part because of @(HGH) Apollo's reasoning. I do, however, share the annoyance at the...
...disregard for the chain of command unless it serves a plot point. Pike, much as I enjoyed him overall, was basically Mark Harmon in Summer School. Even Lorca was often treated like the bridge supervisor instead of the ship's captain. For instance, in Mudd's Groundhog Day, there's no evidence that Stamets bothered going to Lorca until he and Burnham had decided the plan. As best I can tell, that was so that it's some kind of surprise to Mudd and/or us when it turns out Lorca's in on it.
Looking forward to the event DB! Great choices! A skirmish to get some honor, a La Forge to add another star to, and a cool Anson Mount Pike from a great Discovery episode! New Eden was my favorite Discovery episode of season 2. Here is what Pike will look like.
It has one of moments that irks me the most about Discovery, but otherwise a good episode. Episode spoiler:
Pike (standing next to Acting Captain Saru): Burnham, who should I take on my away team?
Saru didn't speak up. Burnham didn't bat an eyelash at undermining a senior officer. Nope. It's all about Burnham, regulations be damned.
That one moment just ruined the immersion for me. Other than that, it was classic Trek with the moral dilemma, sci-fi stuff, and courageous captain.
I think this problem that does occur from time to time in Discovery is due to making the main character someone who is not captain. But remember that many times star trek captains in other series would buck their admiral bosses intentionally and unintentionally from time to time.
Looking forward to the event DB! Great choices! A skirmish to get some honor, a La Forge to add another star to, and a cool Anson Mount Pike from a great Discovery episode! New Eden was my favorite Discovery episode of season 2. Here is what Pike will look like.
It has one of moments that irks me the most about Discovery, but otherwise a good episode. Episode spoiler:
Pike (standing next to Acting Captain Saru): Burnham, who should I take on my away team?
Saru didn't speak up. Burnham didn't bat an eyelash at undermining a senior officer. Nope. It's all about Burnham, regulations be damned.
That one moment just ruined the immersion for me. Other than that, it was classic Trek with the moral dilemma, sci-fi stuff, and courageous captain.
I rewatched the episode again and I was not bothered by the moment that bothered you.
As Burnham was going on the away mission and Saru was not it was logical for Pike to ask Burnham who they should take on the away team mission. And once Pike took command of the Discovery Saru was no longer exactly acting Captain but Commander though he does seem to outrank Burnham. But as the season ended and Pike left Saru was not named Captain. Now I will agree with you on the annoyance of revolving door captains and not having a clear command structure. It gets tiresome.
I don't share @Prime LorQa [10F]'s umbrage at that particular incident, in large part because of @(HGH) Apollo's reasoning. I do, however, share the annoyance at the...
...disregard for the chain of command unless it serves a plot point. Pike, much as I enjoyed him overall, was basically Mark Harmon in Summer School. Even Lorca was often treated like the bridge supervisor instead of the ship's captain. For instance, in Mudd's Groundhog Day, there's no evidence that Stamets bothered going to Lorca until he and Burnham had decided the plan. As best I can tell, that was so that it's some kind of surprise to Mudd and/or us when it turns out Lorca's in on it.
In all the other treks the main character was the captain. On Discovery the main character is not the captain so it causes some chain of command issues though there were many times on the other treks that the captains disobeyed the admiral's orders, or didnt consult starfleet. But yes, the loosey goosey command structure of Discovery can be irksome to the viewer since it was such a steadfast component of all the other treks.
Looking forward to the event DB! Great choices! A skirmish to get some honor, a La Forge to add another star to, and a cool Anson Mount Pike from a great Discovery episode! New Eden was my favorite Discovery episode of season 2. Here is what Pike will look like.
It has one of moments that irks me the most about Discovery, but otherwise a good episode. Episode spoiler:
Pike (standing next to Acting Captain Saru): Burnham, who should I take on my away team?
Saru didn't speak up. Burnham didn't bat an eyelash at undermining a senior officer. Nope. It's all about Burnham, regulations be damned.
That one moment just ruined the immersion for me. Other than that, it was classic Trek with the moral dilemma, sci-fi stuff, and courageous captain.
I think this problem that does occur from time to time in Discovery is due to making the main character someone who is not captain. But remember that many times star trek captains in other series would buck their admiral bosses intentionally and unintentionally from time to time.
Looking forward to the event DB! Great choices! A skirmish to get some honor, a La Forge to add another star to, and a cool Anson Mount Pike from a great Discovery episode! New Eden was my favorite Discovery episode of season 2. Here is what Pike will look like.
It has one of moments that irks me the most about Discovery, but otherwise a good episode. Episode spoiler:
Pike (standing next to Acting Captain Saru): Burnham, who should I take on my away team?
Saru didn't speak up. Burnham didn't bat an eyelash at undermining a senior officer. Nope. It's all about Burnham, regulations be damned.
That one moment just ruined the immersion for me. Other than that, it was classic Trek with the moral dilemma, sci-fi stuff, and courageous captain.
I rewatched the episode again and I was not bothered by the moment that bothered you.
As Burnham was going on the away mission and Saru was not it was logical for Pike to ask Burnham who they should take on the away team mission. And once Pike took command of the Discovery Saru was no longer exactly acting Captain but Commander though he does seem to outrank Burnham. But as the season ended and Pike left Saru was not named Captain. Now I will agree with you on the annoyance of revolving door captains and not having a clear command structure. It gets tiresome.
I don't share @Prime LorQa [10F]'s umbrage at that particular incident, in large part because of @(HGH) Apollo's reasoning. I do, however, share the annoyance at the...
...disregard for the chain of command unless it serves a plot point. Pike, much as I enjoyed him overall, was basically Mark Harmon in Summer School. Even Lorca was often treated like the bridge supervisor instead of the ship's captain. For instance, in Mudd's Groundhog Day, there's no evidence that Stamets bothered going to Lorca until he and Burnham had decided the plan. As best I can tell, that was so that it's some kind of surprise to Mudd and/or us when it turns out Lorca's in on it.
In all the other treks the main character was the captain. On Discovery the main character is not the captain so it causes some chain of command issues though there were many times on the other treks that the captains disobeyed the admiral's orders, or didnt consult starfleet. But yes, the loosey goosey command structure of Discovery can be irksome to the viewer since it was such a steadfast component of all the other treks.
Also funny that the loosey goosey command show would have the first officer with higher command in the game than captains and admirals and chancellors and.....
When captains, first officers, and others disobeyed orders in other series, it was a big deal and incorporated as part of the drama. On Discovery, that's just a Tuesday. I could have been ok with it if it were written better.
There was a scene where Pike relinquished the chair to Saru because it wasn't Pike's mission at that point. It reinforced that Saru was the commanding officer of the Discovery. I believe the term "co-captains" was also used. Regardless of whether Saru was going or not, he served on Discovery longer than Burnham and probably knew most of the crew better. Pike 'could' have asked Saru who to bring on the away mission and Saru 'could' have turned to Burnham and asked who she wanted to bring. Or they 'could' have left Saru out of that scene.
The Mudd episode doesn't bother me because if Stamets watched Pike get killed a bunch of times, he could have realized that he just wasn't the right person to fix the situation.
Loosey Goosey command structure is an understatement. I still have no idea who the chief engineer or science officer is between Tilly, Stamets and Reno. At the beginning of the series I knew who the chief of security was but I have no idea who it is since she died. That line when Pike asked everyone on the bridge to introduce themselves but said rank was not important.. undermined the whole purpose of crew working hard to improve and get promoted. Your captain thinks rank doesn't matter??
As I typed this I realized, this is really not the right forum to give feedback where there's any chance the show writers would ever hear it. But I just don't have time to figure out where disco show discussion and feedback happens and follow it. This game is already too much.
Pike said that rank didn't matter when it came to sharing ideas. I don't think it totally undermined rank structure, but... there is a certain amount of getting that ideas get when they go up a command structure. I think that particular part is more a preference of the captain.
Loosey Goosey command structure is an understatement. I still have no idea who the chief engineer or science officer is between Tilly, Stamets and Reno. At the beginning of the series I knew who the chief of security was but I have no idea who it is since she died. That line when Pike asked everyone on the bridge to introduce themselves but said rank was not important.. undermined the whole purpose of crew working hard to improve and get promoted. Your captain thinks rank doesn't matter??
As I typed this I realized, this is really not the right forum to give feedback where there's any chance the show writers would ever hear it. But I just don't have time to figure out where disco show discussion and feedback happens and follow it. This game is already too much.
Ash was Chief of Security from the episode where he and Lorca did the Holographic Assault Training Course, until he was relieved of duty after the most shocking moment in Season One......
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
Much of this command structure that is less defined comes from Bryan Fuller who created the show and made someone who was not captain the main character. The show is different than the other treks but that is not necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes all the command structure made the other treks too restrictive. Discovery is less military and more a group of survivors working together as a collective. The show does still have officers giving orders and a command structure of a sort the writers just do not make it a main feature like the other treks did.
This one got a little scary. I was about 1215 or so with about 45 minutes to go. Not long after I got called out of my office and didn't get back to check on it until after the event ended. I squeaked it out at 1481 with 477,328. 1500 was 475,518.
Much of this command structure that is less defined comes from Bryan Singer who created the show and made someone who was not captain the main character. The show is different than the other treks but that is not necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes all the command structure made the other treks too restrictive. Discovery is less military and more a group of survivors working together as a collective. The show does still have officers giving orders and a command structure of a sort the writers just do not make it a main feature like the other treks did.
To be clear, it was definitely not Bryan Singer, but rather Bryan Fuller, the creator of modern classics Hannibal, Dead Like Me, Pushing Daisies and Wonderfalls. Fuller is a freaking genius and knowing the quality of those shows, I am confident that the series would have been far stronger out of the gate had he stayed on board beyond the pilot... And I say that as someone who very much enjoys Discovery in its current form.
This one got a little scary. I was about 1215 or so with about 45 minutes to go. Not long after I got called out of my office and didn't get back to check on it until after the event ended. I squeaked it out at 1481 with 477,328. 1500 was 475,518.
This is not the thread you are looking for.
"In the short run, the game defines the players. But in the long run, it's us players who define the game." — Nicky Case, The Evolution of Trust
This one got a little scary. I was about 1215 or so with about 45 minutes to go. Not long after I got called out of my office and didn't get back to check on it until after the event ended. I squeaked it out at 1481 with 477,328. 1500 was 475,518.
Much of this command structure that is less defined comes from Bryan Singer who created the show and made someone who was not captain the main character. The show is different than the other treks but that is not necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes all the command structure made the other treks too restrictive. Discovery is less military and more a group of survivors working together as a collective. The show does still have officers giving orders and a command structure of a sort the writers just do not make it a main feature like the other treks did.
To be clear, it was definitely not Bryan Singer, but rather Bryan Fuller, the creator of modern classics Hannibal, Dead Like Me, Pushing Daisies and Wonderfalls. Fuller is a freaking genius and knowing the quality of those shows, I am confident that the series would have been far stronger out of the gate had he stayed on board beyond the pilot... And I say that as someone who very much enjoys Discovery in its current form.
Oh yeah my bad. Bryan Fuller. Hehe. Two famous Bryans that do similar things in Hollywood gets confusing. Bryan Singer even has some connection to star trek, as he was in Star Trek Nemesis. I corrected my above post.
As an aside, Pushing Daisies is a great show and can be streamed on the CW Seed app for FREE!
Are either of the existing 4*s any good at ship battles? DB.s high tech freezer doesn't let me look at them....
Not by my standards. 8s and 12s initialize and one of them has a trigger. I'll be using Craft since I won him. I didn't thaw the SR's, so I can't screen shot the stats for you, sorry.
Are either of the existing 4*s any good at ship battles? DB.s high tech freezer doesn't let me look at them....
Not by my standards. 8s and 12s initialize and one of them has a trigger. I'll be using Craft since I won him. I didn't thaw the SR's, so I can't screen shot the stats for you, sorry.
All the crew ship abilities stats may be found at the link in this thread:
Gene Roddenberry and other members of ToS were actually in the military, and that familiarity was present throughout the series. (And the sequels that Gene was involved in, and I think his successors has worked with Gene long enough that that ethos rubbed off.)
On the other hand, I don’t think anyone involved in Disco has any idea what the military is like, besides the fact that they wear uniforms. It just annoys me because if they weren’t going to go to the effort of either hiring (and listening) to a consultant or doing research, what’s the point of having them in the military to begin with? To cut down on costume costs? It’s immersion-breaking.
Gene Roddenberry and other members of ToS were actually in the military, and that familiarity was present throughout the series. (And the sequels that Gene was involved in, and I think his successors has worked with Gene long enough that that ethos rubbed off.)
On the other hand, I don’t think anyone involved in Disco has any idea what the military is like, besides the fact that they wear uniforms. It just annoys me because if they weren’t going to go to the effort of either hiring (and listening) to a consultant or doing research, what’s the point of having them in the military to begin with? To cut down on costume costs? It’s immersion-breaking.
I agree. Sometimes characters look like bunch of scientist forced to wear uniforms without understanding that they are soldiers.
If your superior order something you do it. You don't question it in front of anyone else. If order si unethical or weird and you as soldier don't feel it should be done then you have to discuss that in private and not on the bridge in front of everyone.
Gene Roddenberry and other members of ToS were actually in the military, and that familiarity was present throughout the series. (And the sequels that Gene was involved in, and I think his successors has worked with Gene long enough that that ethos rubbed off.)
On the other hand, I don’t think anyone involved in Disco has any idea what the military is like, besides the fact that they wear uniforms. It just annoys me because if they weren’t going to go to the effort of either hiring (and listening) to a consultant or doing research, what’s the point of having them in the military to begin with? To cut down on costume costs? It’s immersion-breaking.
I agree. Sometimes characters look like bunch of scientist forced to wear uniforms without understanding that they are soldiers.
If your superior order something you do it. You don't question it in front of anyone else. If order si unethical or weird and you as soldier don't feel it should be done then you have to discuss that in private and not on the bridge in front of everyone.
But Star Fleet members are very much not military. Is that not the point? And indeed wasn't the first season's militarism what drove the Disco hate?
Military and science coexisted in previous Trek. Sometimes scientists listened to security. Sometimes they didn't. And sometimes a dude in a red shirt didn't move fast enough. The military/security element was there for safety. So that there were scientists left at the end of the day to report the findings. And the scientists would sometimes push the limits of safety and ethics. That's what made Trek what it was. Not some militaristic culture. Not some idealistic science expedition with no risk. Military + Science.
Discovery caught flack for too little emphasis on science and just a poor job on the military aspect. They replaced some science with drama. I prefer the science, but I respect the creators for making a new Trek. The military screw-ups... well I can't respect that. There was just zero effort there.
Afterthought... You can interchange "science" with exploration. They were more bent upon the civilizations more than phenomenons after all.
To be honest ... as someone who's hardly seen any ST at all, just snippets here and there ...
I've always felt that ST was about space exploration, which is why there is equal weight to diplomacy, science, engineering, commanding people and aggression when required. There is space for crew to act if they have a unique insight into a situation (either through intelligence, knowledge or through a trait they might have because they might be of alien nature (e.g. Saru and "feeling" danger)) and crew will be asked to voice their opinion even if they aren't in command (e.g. an engineer asked for advice, or a diplomat on how to approach an alien culture) - see it more along the lines of a Dutch "poldermodel".
e.g. You can see a Tardigrade as a hostile being and want to neutralise it (e.g. Landry) or to try to understand its emotions and form of communication (e.g. Burnham and Stamets) or to try and utilise the greater for overal benefit (e.g. Lorca). Stamets is upset about proceedings (the military duties assigned to the ship) but there is dialogue between him and Lorca and in the end he does continue to work towards getting the
I thought that the Mirror universe embodied not space exploration, but space conquest, which is why ST in that universe is much more agressive (militaristic) and doesn't put as much emphasis on e.g. a cultural attache or scientific discoveries.
Also ... correct me if I'm wrong here ... but from what I've seen of TOS ... Spock is ALWAYS (exaggeration) in conflict with Kirk about what action has to be taken ... just see the episode with the Horta, where Kirk wants to kill the Horta but Spock tells him not to attack it. Kirk's the captain so Spock is basically ignoring him and starting up a discussion with him ...
What are the guesses on which four star will be ranked and which will be threshold? I noticed I need one more diplomat for the collection bonus and Weyoun 4 is one
What are the guesses on which four star will be ranked and which will be threshold? I noticed I need one more diplomat for the collection bonus and Weyoun 4 is one
According to the Wiki, 4* Breen Disguise Dukat was the threshold reward in the original run of this Event, so I expect that he will be the ranked reward in this rerun (which is not a flashback).
What are the guesses on which four star will be ranked and which will be threshold? I noticed I need one more diplomat for the collection bonus and Weyoun 4 is one
According to the Wiki, 4* Breen Disguise Dukat was the threshold reward in the original run of this Event, so I expect that he will be the ranked reward in this rerun (which is not a flashback).
To be honest ... as someone who's hardly seen any ST at all, just snippets here and there ...
I've always felt that ST was about space exploration, which is why there is equal weight to diplomacy, science, engineering, commanding people and aggression when required. There is space for crew to act if they have a unique insight into a situation (either through intelligence, knowledge or through a trait they might have because they might be of alien nature (e.g. Saru and "feeling" danger)) and crew will be asked to voice their opinion even if they aren't in command (e.g. an engineer asked for advice, or a diplomat on how to approach an alien culture) - see it more along the lines of a Dutch "poldermodel".
e.g. You can see a Tardigrade as a hostile being and want to neutralise it (e.g. Landry) or to try to understand its emotions and form of communication (e.g. Burnham and Stamets) or to try and utilise the greater for overal benefit (e.g. Lorca). Stamets is upset about proceedings (the military duties assigned to the ship) but there is dialogue between him and Lorca and in the end he does continue to work towards getting the
I thought that the Mirror universe embodied not space exploration, but space conquest, which is why ST in that universe is much more agressive (militaristic) and doesn't put as much emphasis on e.g. a cultural attache or scientific discoveries.
Also ... correct me if I'm wrong here ... but from what I've seen of TOS ... Spock is ALWAYS (exaggeration) in conflict with Kirk about what action has to be taken ... just see the episode with the Horta, where Kirk wants to kill the Horta but Spock tells him not to attack it. Kirk's the captain so Spock is basically ignoring him and starting up a discussion with him ...
Anyway, my two - no ST-background - cents ...
That’s a great point about Spock - they definitely have different approaches to a lot of situations and conflicts are inevitable. See also: Riker and Jellico.
I think it works for Kirk and Spock because not only is Spock the first officer (and therefore the person with the greatest responsibility to provide alternative courses of action to his captain, something other XOs have done over the years), he and Kirk are close friends and have a great respect for and understanding of each other.
While Burnham and Saru certainly are familiar with one another, Lorca and Pike don’t know either of them nearly as well and it’s harder to justify why they are so happy to break protocol other than to say the writers are just plain ignorant.
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I would be 100% okay and on board with it, even though I have Interfaced La Forge and Rev Phlox already immortalized.
I think this problem that does occur from time to time in Discovery is due to making the main character someone who is not captain. But remember that many times star trek captains in other series would buck their admiral bosses intentionally and unintentionally from time to time.
I rewatched the episode again and I was not bothered by the moment that bothered you.
I don't share @Prime LorQa [10F]'s umbrage at that particular incident, in large part because of @(HGH) Apollo's reasoning. I do, however, share the annoyance at the...
In all the other treks the main character was the captain. On Discovery the main character is not the captain so it causes some chain of command issues though there were many times on the other treks that the captains disobeyed the admiral's orders, or didnt consult starfleet. But yes, the loosey goosey command structure of Discovery can be irksome to the viewer since it was such a steadfast component of all the other treks.
Also funny that the loosey goosey command show would have the first officer with higher command in the game than captains and admirals and chancellors and.....
The Mudd episode doesn't bother me because if Stamets watched Pike get killed a bunch of times, he could have realized that he just wasn't the right person to fix the situation.
As I typed this I realized, this is really not the right forum to give feedback where there's any chance the show writers would ever hear it. But I just don't have time to figure out where disco show discussion and feedback happens and follow it. This game is already too much.
Ash was Chief of Security from the episode where he and Lorca did the Holographic Assault Training Course, until he was relieved of duty after the most shocking moment in Season One......
To be clear, it was definitely not Bryan Singer, but rather Bryan Fuller, the creator of modern classics Hannibal, Dead Like Me, Pushing Daisies and Wonderfalls. Fuller is a freaking genius and knowing the quality of those shows, I am confident that the series would have been far stronger out of the gate had he stayed on board beyond the pilot... And I say that as someone who very much enjoys Discovery in its current form.
This is not the thread you are looking for.
We can go about our business.....move along
Oh yeah my bad. Bryan Fuller. Hehe. Two famous Bryans that do similar things in Hollywood gets confusing. Bryan Singer even has some connection to star trek, as he was in Star Trek Nemesis. I corrected my above post.
As an aside, Pushing Daisies is a great show and can be streamed on the CW Seed app for FREE!
Not by my standards. 8s and 12s initialize and one of them has a trigger. I'll be using Craft since I won him. I didn't thaw the SR's, so I can't screen shot the stats for you, sorry.
All the crew ship abilities stats may be found at the link in this thread:
https://forum.disruptorbeam.com/stt/discussion/14321/resource-for-crew-ship-abilities
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On the other hand, I don’t think anyone involved in Disco has any idea what the military is like, besides the fact that they wear uniforms. It just annoys me because if they weren’t going to go to the effort of either hiring (and listening) to a consultant or doing research, what’s the point of having them in the military to begin with? To cut down on costume costs? It’s immersion-breaking.
I agree. Sometimes characters look like bunch of scientist forced to wear uniforms without understanding that they are soldiers.
If your superior order something you do it. You don't question it in front of anyone else. If order si unethical or weird and you as soldier don't feel it should be done then you have to discuss that in private and not on the bridge in front of everyone.
But Star Fleet members are very much not military. Is that not the point? And indeed wasn't the first season's militarism what drove the Disco hate?
Discovery caught flack for too little emphasis on science and just a poor job on the military aspect. They replaced some science with drama. I prefer the science, but I respect the creators for making a new Trek. The military screw-ups... well I can't respect that. There was just zero effort there.
Afterthought... You can interchange "science" with exploration. They were more bent upon the civilizations more than phenomenons after all.
I've always felt that ST was about space exploration, which is why there is equal weight to diplomacy, science, engineering, commanding people and aggression when required. There is space for crew to act if they have a unique insight into a situation (either through intelligence, knowledge or through a trait they might have because they might be of alien nature (e.g. Saru and "feeling" danger)) and crew will be asked to voice their opinion even if they aren't in command (e.g. an engineer asked for advice, or a diplomat on how to approach an alien culture) - see it more along the lines of a Dutch "poldermodel".
e.g. You can see a Tardigrade as a hostile being and want to neutralise it (e.g. Landry) or to try to understand its emotions and form of communication (e.g. Burnham and Stamets) or to try and utilise the greater for overal benefit (e.g. Lorca). Stamets is upset about proceedings (the military duties assigned to the ship) but there is dialogue between him and Lorca and in the end he does continue to work towards getting the
I thought that the Mirror universe embodied not space exploration, but space conquest, which is why ST in that universe is much more agressive (militaristic) and doesn't put as much emphasis on e.g. a cultural attache or scientific discoveries.
Also ... correct me if I'm wrong here ... but from what I've seen of TOS ... Spock is ALWAYS (exaggeration) in conflict with Kirk about what action has to be taken ... just see the episode with the Horta, where Kirk wants to kill the Horta but Spock tells him not to attack it. Kirk's the captain so Spock is basically ignoring him and starting up a discussion with him ...
Anyway, my two - no ST-background - cents ...
According to the Wiki, 4* Breen Disguise Dukat was the threshold reward in the original run of this Event, so I expect that he will be the ranked reward in this rerun (which is not a flashback).
https://stt.wiki/wiki/Haunted_Vessels#Threshold_Rewards
Thank you my friend! Good thing a citation is coming shortly!
That’s a great point about Spock - they definitely have different approaches to a lot of situations and conflicts are inevitable. See also: Riker and Jellico.
I think it works for Kirk and Spock because not only is Spock the first officer (and therefore the person with the greatest responsibility to provide alternative courses of action to his captain, something other XOs have done over the years), he and Kirk are close friends and have a great respect for and understanding of each other.
While Burnham and Saru certainly are familiar with one another, Lorca and Pike don’t know either of them nearly as well and it’s harder to justify why they are so happy to break protocol other than to say the writers are just plain ignorant.