But to be honest, what I was trying to say is that it's pointless to insult the original artist just because they didn't produce a masterpiece in 2016, as if anyone here could produce something better (I dare you all to try, you can easily google a pic of Blood Oath Jadzia as a reference and then share your art with us on the forums ).
Hang on now...although I agree Banjo was a bit harsh, I don’t think it’s any wiser to say that people don’t have the right to evaluate a piece of art if they can’t replicate it. This isn’t like evaluating the quality of a weld or a cabinet or an automobile, a critical concept regarding art is that not everyone responds to a piece of art, whether a drawing, a melody, or a sculpture, in the same way.
But to be honest, what I was trying to say is that it's pointless to insult the original artist just because they didn't produce a masterpiece in 2016, as if anyone here could produce something better (I dare you all to try, you can easily google a pic of Blood Oath Jadzia as a reference and then share your art with us on the forums ).
Hang on now...although I agree Banjo was a bit harsh, I don’t think it’s any wiser to say that people don’t have the right to evaluate a piece of art if they can’t replicate it. This isn’t like evaluating the quality of a weld or a cabinet or an automobile, a critical concept regarding art is that not everyone responds to a piece of art, whether a drawing, a melody, or a sculpture, in the same way.
Exactly. I was the operations manager for new car shipping and handling at the Ford plant. They screwed up so many cars it isn’t even funny. Yes I criticized it but I also never claimed to be a car manufacturer. They did. On the other hand, I was also an umpire for ten years. Believe you me, no matter how good you are, you are criticized. I claimed to be an umpire so I took it unless I knew the criticism was wrong. Was also a songwriter. When I played, I took criticism. Again, I claimed to be a songwriter so I took it. The people criticizing me never claimed to be umpires or songwriters but they sure were not shy about criticism. When you are out there like that, everyone is judging you. I’ll say it again, it is the nature of the beast when you are putting your talents and skills out there publicly
I wished Shan would close this thread. This is so sad. They give us something beautiful and instead of just appreciating it we rip the former version apart. Please stop it!
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But to be honest, what I was trying to say is that it's pointless to insult the original artist just because they didn't produce a masterpiece in 2016, as if anyone here could produce something better (I dare you all to try, you can easily google a pic of Blood Oath Jadzia as a reference and then share your art with us on the forums ).
Hang on now...although I agree Banjo was a bit harsh, I don’t think it’s any wiser to say that people don’t have the right to evaluate a piece of art if they can’t replicate it. This isn’t like evaluating the quality of a weld or a cabinet or an automobile, a critical concept regarding art is that not everyone responds to a piece of art, whether a drawing, a melody, or a sculpture, in the same way.
I didn't say you can't dislike it. Almost everyone here disliked it. But saying
I wished Shan would close this thread. This is so sad. They give us something beautiful and instead of just appreciating it we rip the former version apart. Please stop it!
If people would not have slashed the old version in the past we would not have the, as you rightfully say, beautiful one we have now. Showing liking and also dislike helps to improve a product...
But to be honest, what I was trying to say is that it's pointless to insult the original artist just because they didn't produce a masterpiece in 2016, as if anyone here could produce something better (I dare you all to try, you can easily google a pic of Blood Oath Jadzia as a reference and then share your art with us on the forums ).
Hang on now...although I agree Banjo was a bit harsh, I don’t think it’s any wiser to say that people don’t have the right to evaluate a piece of art if they can’t replicate it. This isn’t like evaluating the quality of a weld or a cabinet or an automobile, a critical concept regarding art is that not everyone responds to a piece of art, whether a drawing, a melody, or a sculpture, in the same way.
I didn't say you can't dislike it. Almost everyone here disliked it. But saying
This is the artwork hall of shame as far as I'm concerned....
You’re a bit more harsh than I am. Some of those aren’t my favorites but I’m okay with them. Do I wish they were better? Yeah, but they’re not so bad I’m like, “Ow, my eyes!”
The only one out of those that I think needs to be fixed ASAP is the last one. The scale of his head is absurdly off and his pose is done like the artist never studied human anatomy.
He is one card that will never be on my roster until/unless he’s fixed.
The other is Mirror T’Pol who isn’t so obviously wrong, but as a previous poster alluded to, she looks like a werewolf and is just hideously ugly. I airlocked her the one time I got her (and I *never* airlock legendary crew.)
I wished Shan would close this thread. This is so sad. They give us something beautiful and instead of just appreciating it we rip the former version apart. Please stop it!
If people would not have slashed the old version in the past we would not have the, as you rightfully say, beautiful one we have now. Showing liking and also dislike helps to improve a product...
This discussion unfortunately is not based on expressing subjective liking and disliking but qualifying good vs bad art. There is no such thing like bad art though, just meeting someone's taste or not. There is nothing objective about taste. Just because obviously the majority likes the new art more does not mean that the old one was "bad". That would be like concluding that Trump is objectively a good president just because the majority voted for him.
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This is the artwork hall of shame as far as I'm concerned....
You’re a bit more harsh than I am. Some of those aren’t my favorites but I’m okay with them. Do I wish they were better? Yeah, but they’re not so bad I’m like, “Ow, my eyes!”
The only one out of those that I think needs to be fixed ASAP is the last one. The scale of his head is absurdly off and his pose is done like the artist never studied human anatomy.
I don't mind that Worf. I'd sub Klingon O'Brien in for him.
And to the comment above about this thread being harsh: there seems to be quite a bit of elation about the change, so I don't feel like it's an overly-negative thread. It's more that since DB has "opened the floodgates", so to speak, we are hoping they'll continue that with other cards. Granted, there are some who have chimed in with a "what took so long", but that's to be expected — especially with a character that a lot of us here, including myself, quite like.
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I wished Shan would close this thread. This is so sad. They give us something beautiful and instead of just appreciating it we rip the former version apart. Please stop it!
If people would not have slashed the old version in the past we would not have the, as you rightfully say, beautiful one we have now. Showing liking and also dislike helps to improve a product...
This discussion unfortunately is not based on expressing subjective liking and disliking but qualifying good vs bad art. There is no such thing like bad art though, just meeting someone's taste or not. There is nothing objective about taste. Just because obviously the majority likes the new art more does not mean that the old one was "bad". That would be like concluding that Trump is objectively a good president just because the majority voted for him.
I’ll agree and disagree. Sure, one person might like Rembrandt and another Vermeer, one Titian and one Rubens. We can all agree they’re good, technically proficient artists and to prefer one to another is a matter of taste.
However, there is bad art, or should I say, bad technique. If you’re attempting to do a realistic human body, and yet your art looks inhuman and wrong, that’s bad. If you’re attempting to use a harmonious, complimentary color palette, but instead end up using a jarring palette that inspires unease in the viewer, you have failed. (It’s been scientifically proven that humans have emotional responses to colors that can be broadly predicted.)
So about art done well, I can say there should be no arguing/accounting for taste. About art that is done poorly, however, due to technical faults, one can-and perhaps should!-criticize. This isn’t an amateur doing this for free. This is presumably a paid professional. Saying an artist is a terrible person is out of bounds. Saying a paid artist did a terrible job because their artwork of a human body was out of proportion? Should be totally fair game, as it is fact that can be proven. Maybe it’s not “nice” to say that, but when a professional is paid for his/her work, and their product is submitted for public consumption, criticisms about their work should be fair game.
I'm surprised there's not more support for revamping the artwork for Mirror "Fox Mulder" Reed and Rura Penthe "Day After Tomorrow Dennis Quaid" Kirk. Those 2 cards look absolutely nothing like the actual character being portrayed, similar to Mirror Data.
I wished Shan would close this thread. This is so sad. They give us something beautiful and instead of just appreciating it we rip the former version apart. Please stop it!
If people would not have slashed the old version in the past we would not have the, as you rightfully say, beautiful one we have now. Showing liking and also dislike helps to improve a product...
This discussion unfortunately is not based on expressing subjective liking and disliking but qualifying good vs bad art. There is no such thing like bad art though, just meeting someone's taste or not. There is nothing objective about taste. Just because obviously the majority likes the new art more does not mean that the old one was "bad". That would be like concluding that Trump is objectively a good president just because the majority voted for him.
I’ll agree and disagree. Sure, one person might like Rembrandt and another Vermeer, one Titian and one Rubens. We can all agree they’re good, technically proficient artists and to prefer one to another is a matter of taste.
However, there is bad art, or should I say, bad technique. If you’re attempting to do a realistic human body, and yet your art looks inhuman and wrong, that’s bad. If you’re attempting to use a harmonious, complimentary color palette, but instead end up using a jarring palette that inspires unease in the viewer, you have failed. (It’s been scientifically proven that humans have emotional responses to colors that can be broadly predicted.)
So about art done well, I can say there should be no arguing/accounting for taste. About art that is done poorly, however, due to technical faults, one can-and perhaps should!-criticize. This isn’t an amateur doing this for free. This is presumably a paid professional. Saying an artist is a terrible person is out of bounds. Saying a paid artist did a terrible job because their artwork of a human body was out of proportion? Should be totally fair game, as it is fact that can be proven. Maybe it’s not “nice” to say that, but when a professional is paid for his/her work, and their product is submitted for public consumption, criticisms about their work should be fair game.
Well, even all of this is some kind of art, and if there is only one person in the world who likes it - who are we to judge? Art is not only craftsmanship, it is more than that. Think Van Gogh (proportions) or Warhol (colors). I dislike both's work but I acknowledge the artistic expression.
For me Jadzia was very comic styled which does not fancy me too much, but proportions and coloring were ok and fit the game's style of the time she is from. Actually I have not seen a single artwork in STT that would keep me from taking a card. Poor stats on the other hand... I have seen a lot, and no matter the potential awesomeness of their artwork I do not want them.
Anyway... artists are human beings, and often they are more sensitive than others. Such harsh critisism as expressed here is - to me - insulting and unnecessary.
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I wished Shan would close this thread. This is so sad. They give us something beautiful and instead of just appreciating it we rip the former version apart. Please stop it!
If people would not have slashed the old version in the past we would not have the, as you rightfully say, beautiful one we have now. Showing liking and also dislike helps to improve a product...
This discussion unfortunately is not based on expressing subjective liking and disliking but qualifying good vs bad art. There is no such thing like bad art though, just meeting someone's taste or not. There is nothing objective about taste. Just because obviously the majority likes the new art more does not mean that the old one was "bad". That would be like concluding that Trump is objectively a good president just because the majority voted for him.
I’ll agree and disagree. Sure, one person might like Rembrandt and another Vermeer, one Titian and one Rubens. We can all agree they’re good, technically proficient artists and to prefer one to another is a matter of taste.
However, there is bad art, or should I say, bad technique. If you’re attempting to do a realistic human body, and yet your art looks inhuman and wrong, that’s bad. If you’re attempting to use a harmonious, complimentary color palette, but instead end up using a jarring palette that inspires unease in the viewer, you have failed. (It’s been scientifically proven that humans have emotional responses to colors that can be broadly predicted.)
So about art done well, I can say there should be no arguing/accounting for taste. About art that is done poorly, however, due to technical faults, one can-and perhaps should!-criticize. This isn’t an amateur doing this for free. This is presumably a paid professional. Saying an artist is a terrible person is out of bounds. Saying a paid artist did a terrible job because their artwork of a human body was out of proportion? Should be totally fair game, as it is fact that can be proven. Maybe it’s not “nice” to say that, but when a professional is paid for his/her work, and their product is submitted for public consumption, criticisms about their work should be fair game.
Well, even all of this is some kind of art, and if there is only one person in the world who likes it - who are we to judge? Art is not only craftsmanship, it is more than that. Think Van Gogh (proportions) or Warhol (colors). I dislike both's work but I acknowledge the artistic expression.
For me Jadzia was very comic styled which does not fancy me too much, but proportions and coloring were ok and fit the game's style of the time she is from. Actually I have not seen a single artwork in STT that would keep me from taking a card. Poor stats on the other hand... I have seen a lot, and no matter the potential awesomeness of their artwork I do not want them.
Anyway... artists are human beings, and often they are more sensitive than others. Such harsh critisism as expressed here is - to me - insulting and unnecessary.
This is different though, as the artwork being created isn't an original work of art, but rather a digital representation of a character from a tv show or movie. Much of the work looks great. Some characters are dreadful.
Calling out poor quality reproduction (I hesitate to actually call this sort of graphic design work "art") is absolutely fair, since these forums are an opportunity to provide feedback. Awhile back the design work took a steep nosedive in quality, and the forums called DB on it. The issue was addressed and most design work since then has returned to pre-nosedive quality, to the point that some recent work is among the best the game has produced.
Actually I have not seen a single artwork in STT that would keep me from taking a card. Poor stats on the other hand... I have seen a lot, and no matter the potential awesomeness of their artwork I do not want them.
Some like you are put off by bad stats, some like me are put off by not fitting artwork etc. The way this game is and will probably stay no card will improve my game in a meaningful way anymore at this stage. So in case I want a card it is because it is a favourite character of mine and presented in a way which I like.
That is the great thing about this game. We can play it according to our personal preferences.
1. If I'm paying for art. I have the right to criticize it.
2. New art for Jadzia is great
3. Please Please do something about TOS Martok. He should not be missing his eye. Awful.
4. Do something about the Enterprise D model. Its hideous.
I wished Shan would close this thread. This is so sad. They give us something beautiful and instead of just appreciating it we rip the former version apart. Please stop it!
If people would not have slashed the old version in the past we would not have the, as you rightfully say, beautiful one we have now. Showing liking and also dislike helps to improve a product...
This discussion unfortunately is not based on expressing subjective liking and disliking but qualifying good vs bad art. There is no such thing like bad art though, just meeting someone's taste or not. There is nothing objective about taste. Just because obviously the majority likes the new art more does not mean that the old one was "bad". That would be like concluding that Trump is objectively a good president just because the majority voted for him.
I’ll agree and disagree. Sure, one person might like Rembrandt and another Vermeer, one Titian and one Rubens. We can all agree they’re good, technically proficient artists and to prefer one to another is a matter of taste.
However, there is bad art, or should I say, bad technique. If you’re attempting to do a realistic human body, and yet your art looks inhuman and wrong, that’s bad. If you’re attempting to use a harmonious, complimentary color palette, but instead end up using a jarring palette that inspires unease in the viewer, you have failed. (It’s been scientifically proven that humans have emotional responses to colors that can be broadly predicted.)
So about art done well, I can say there should be no arguing/accounting for taste. About art that is done poorly, however, due to technical faults, one can-and perhaps should!-criticize. This isn’t an amateur doing this for free. This is presumably a paid professional. Saying an artist is a terrible person is out of bounds. Saying a paid artist did a terrible job because their artwork of a human body was out of proportion? Should be totally fair game, as it is fact that can be proven. Maybe it’s not “nice” to say that, but when a professional is paid for his/her work, and their product is submitted for public consumption, criticisms about their work should be fair game.
Well, even all of this is some kind of art, and if there is only one person in the world who likes it - who are we to judge? Art is not only craftsmanship, it is more than that. Think Van Gogh (proportions) or Warhol (colors). I dislike both's work but I acknowledge the artistic expression.
For me Jadzia was very comic styled which does not fancy me too much, but proportions and coloring were ok and fit the game's style of the time she is from. Actually I have not seen a single artwork in STT that would keep me from taking a card. Poor stats on the other hand... I have seen a lot, and no matter the potential awesomeness of their artwork I do not want them.
Anyway... artists are human beings, and often they are more sensitive than others. Such harsh critisism as expressed here is - to me - insulting and unnecessary.
This is different though, as the artwork being created isn't an original work of art, but rather a digital representation of a character from a tv show or movie. Much of the work looks great. Some characters are dreadful.
Calling out poor quality reproduction (I hesitate to actually call this sort of graphic design work "art") is absolutely fair, since these forums are an opportunity to provide feedback. Awhile back the design work took a steep nosedive in quality, and the forums called DB on it. The issue was addressed and most design work since then has returned to pre-nosedive quality, to the point that some recent work is among the best the game has produced.
Unlike Warhol's Marilyn? I do not see the difference.
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If you want to criticize the artwork, then stick to the facts about what you dislike and leave out the ineffective, vague comments or inane comparisons. Being constructive with criticism isn’t difficult. I personally think some of the artwork is too “cartoonish” and appears to have been hastily drawn. That is certainly more effective than saying it is the “worst”, or appears to have been drawn by someone age challenged, or that whomever drew it has no business being an artist. You can dislike something and still practice common decency.... a lesson I have learned on these Forums.
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If you want to criticize the artwork, then stick to the facts about what you dislike and leave out the ineffective, vague comments or inane comparisons. Being constructive with criticism isn’t difficult. I personally think some of the artwork is too “cartoonish” and appears to have been hastily drawn. That is certainly more effective than saying it is the “worst”, or appears to have been drawn by someone age challenged, or that whomever drew it has no business being an artist. You can dislike something and still practice common decency.... a lesson I have learned on these Forums.
Age challenged. That’s a whole new level of social sensitivity
This is all very amusing ... "age challenged"? ... that's too 'new age' for an old fart like me! LOL
But, I have to say, in general, that the 'blue light specials' are poor art as far as I'm concerned and drive me crazy! (yes, a short drive, I know) Idrin is especially hideous!
Different strokes for different folk as they say. And one does have to admit some of the 'blue lights' are much better than others. And the chances of DB trashing them and starting anew with even a couple has about same odds as me getting the #1 reward in the top line at the dabo wheel ...
Now, if it was up to me I would suggest that they trash all the card artwork. Let's go with a new, trendy, yet respected form of art! Let's see.... hmmm ... no, not Sir Peter Paul Rubens unfortunately ...
... I know! That Japanese style stuff with the bulgy eyes and weird faces. Anime??? Perfect for Klingons! What's not to love?
Remember: it's just a game, not a matter of life and death!
If you want to criticize the artwork, then stick to the facts about what you dislike and leave out the ineffective, vague comments or inane comparisons. Being constructive with criticism isn’t difficult. I personally think some of the artwork is too “cartoonish” and appears to have been hastily drawn. That is certainly more effective than saying it is the “worst”, or appears to have been drawn by someone age challenged, or that whomever drew it has no business being an artist. You can dislike something and still practice common decency.... a lesson I have learned on these Forums.
This is true. I should not have said "worst" for Mirror Data. So I will attempt to be more fair in my criticism. I don't complain about cartoony or such in most cases, though there are some for which I simply don't care and others who look less like their actors than they ought. I believe Mirror Data is the most out-of-proportion due to his arm. That is so off-putting that it was a deciding factor against him in two begolds.
If you want to criticize the artwork, then stick to the facts about what you dislike and leave out the ineffective, vague comments or inane comparisons. Being constructive with criticism isn’t difficult. I personally think some of the artwork is too “cartoonish” and appears to have been hastily drawn. That is certainly more effective than saying it is the “worst”, or appears to have been drawn by someone age challenged, or that whomever drew it has no business being an artist. You can dislike something and still practice common decency.... a lesson I have learned on these Forums.
Age challenged. That’s a whole new level of social sensitivity
That’s a joke...take it as such. 😂. I could have said 4 year old, but what’s the fun in that? Aside from my apparent failed attempt at humor, my statement is nothing about PC social sensitivity, just effective communication imho. Granted, sometimes my opinions are way outside the circle...lol
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If you want to criticize the artwork, then stick to the facts about what you dislike and leave out the ineffective, vague comments or inane comparisons. Being constructive with criticism isn’t difficult. I personally think some of the artwork is too “cartoonish” and appears to have been hastily drawn. That is certainly more effective than saying it is the “worst”, or appears to have been drawn by someone age challenged, or that whomever drew it has no business being an artist. You can dislike something and still practice common decency.... a lesson I have learned on these Forums.
Age challenged. That’s a whole new level of social sensitivity
That’s a joke...take it as such. 😂. I could have said 4 year old, but what’s the fun in that? Aside from my apparent failed attempt at humor, my statement is nothing about PC social sensitivity, just effective communication imho. Granted, sometimes my opinions are way outside the circle...lol
Oh. My bad. Now on that, I admit I could have done better
Great job on the new Blood Oath art, Tomalak reminds me of M. Bison in the Streetfighter series imo, hope Db update the the art on Mirror Reed and Mirror Jadzia Dax as well as CMO Bashir, the first two because the likeness is off, Mirror Reed looks like FBI Agent Fox Mulder, and Mirror Jadzia does not resemble Jadzia, Bashir it looks too primitive these days.
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Hang on now...although I agree Banjo was a bit harsh, I don’t think it’s any wiser to say that people don’t have the right to evaluate a piece of art if they can’t replicate it. This isn’t like evaluating the quality of a weld or a cabinet or an automobile, a critical concept regarding art is that not everyone responds to a piece of art, whether a drawing, a melody, or a sculpture, in the same way.
Exactly. I was the operations manager for new car shipping and handling at the Ford plant. They screwed up so many cars it isn’t even funny. Yes I criticized it but I also never claimed to be a car manufacturer. They did. On the other hand, I was also an umpire for ten years. Believe you me, no matter how good you are, you are criticized. I claimed to be an umpire so I took it unless I knew the criticism was wrong. Was also a songwriter. When I played, I took criticism. Again, I claimed to be a songwriter so I took it. The people criticizing me never claimed to be umpires or songwriters but they sure were not shy about criticism. When you are out there like that, everyone is judging you. I’ll say it again, it is the nature of the beast when you are putting your talents and skills out there publicly
I didn't say you can't dislike it. Almost everyone here disliked it. But saying
is a bit different from "I don't like this" or "I think the quality is bad".
But this is not my mother tongue nor my culture, so maybe that's why I'm the only one perceiving it that way.
If people would not have slashed the old version in the past we would not have the, as you rightfully say, beautiful one we have now. Showing liking and also dislike helps to improve a product...
my comment supporting your opinion had 13 likes. you are not alone in your perception.
You’re a bit more harsh than I am. Some of those aren’t my favorites but I’m okay with them. Do I wish they were better? Yeah, but they’re not so bad I’m like, “Ow, my eyes!”
The only one out of those that I think needs to be fixed ASAP is the last one. The scale of his head is absurdly off and his pose is done like the artist never studied human anatomy.
He is one card that will never be on my roster until/unless he’s fixed.
The other is Mirror T’Pol who isn’t so obviously wrong, but as a previous poster alluded to, she looks like a werewolf and is just hideously ugly. I airlocked her the one time I got her (and I *never* airlock legendary crew.)
This discussion unfortunately is not based on expressing subjective liking and disliking but qualifying good vs bad art. There is no such thing like bad art though, just meeting someone's taste or not. There is nothing objective about taste. Just because obviously the majority likes the new art more does not mean that the old one was "bad". That would be like concluding that Trump is objectively a good president just because the majority voted for him.
I don't mind that Worf. I'd sub Klingon O'Brien in for him.
And to the comment above about this thread being harsh: there seems to be quite a bit of elation about the change, so I don't feel like it's an overly-negative thread. It's more that since DB has "opened the floodgates", so to speak, we are hoping they'll continue that with other cards. Granted, there are some who have chimed in with a "what took so long", but that's to be expected — especially with a character that a lot of us here, including myself, quite like.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
I’ll agree and disagree. Sure, one person might like Rembrandt and another Vermeer, one Titian and one Rubens. We can all agree they’re good, technically proficient artists and to prefer one to another is a matter of taste.
However, there is bad art, or should I say, bad technique. If you’re attempting to do a realistic human body, and yet your art looks inhuman and wrong, that’s bad. If you’re attempting to use a harmonious, complimentary color palette, but instead end up using a jarring palette that inspires unease in the viewer, you have failed. (It’s been scientifically proven that humans have emotional responses to colors that can be broadly predicted.)
So about art done well, I can say there should be no arguing/accounting for taste. About art that is done poorly, however, due to technical faults, one can-and perhaps should!-criticize. This isn’t an amateur doing this for free. This is presumably a paid professional. Saying an artist is a terrible person is out of bounds. Saying a paid artist did a terrible job because their artwork of a human body was out of proportion? Should be totally fair game, as it is fact that can be proven. Maybe it’s not “nice” to say that, but when a professional is paid for his/her work, and their product is submitted for public consumption, criticisms about their work should be fair game.
You don't say?
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Well, even all of this is some kind of art, and if there is only one person in the world who likes it - who are we to judge? Art is not only craftsmanship, it is more than that. Think Van Gogh (proportions) or Warhol (colors). I dislike both's work but I acknowledge the artistic expression.
For me Jadzia was very comic styled which does not fancy me too much, but proportions and coloring were ok and fit the game's style of the time she is from. Actually I have not seen a single artwork in STT that would keep me from taking a card. Poor stats on the other hand... I have seen a lot, and no matter the potential awesomeness of their artwork I do not want them.
Anyway... artists are human beings, and often they are more sensitive than others. Such harsh critisism as expressed here is - to me - insulting and unnecessary.
This is different though, as the artwork being created isn't an original work of art, but rather a digital representation of a character from a tv show or movie. Much of the work looks great. Some characters are dreadful.
Calling out poor quality reproduction (I hesitate to actually call this sort of graphic design work "art") is absolutely fair, since these forums are an opportunity to provide feedback. Awhile back the design work took a steep nosedive in quality, and the forums called DB on it. The issue was addressed and most design work since then has returned to pre-nosedive quality, to the point that some recent work is among the best the game has produced.
Some like you are put off by bad stats, some like me are put off by not fitting artwork etc. The way this game is and will probably stay no card will improve my game in a meaningful way anymore at this stage. So in case I want a card it is because it is a favourite character of mine and presented in a way which I like.
That is the great thing about this game. We can play it according to our personal preferences.
2. New art for Jadzia is great
3. Please Please do something about TOS Martok. He should not be missing his eye. Awful.
4. Do something about the Enterprise D model. Its hideous.
Thank you.
Unlike Warhol's Marilyn? I do not see the difference.
Age challenged. That’s a whole new level of social sensitivity
But, I have to say, in general, that the 'blue light specials' are poor art as far as I'm concerned and drive me crazy! (yes, a short drive, I know) Idrin is especially hideous!
Different strokes for different folk as they say. And one does have to admit some of the 'blue lights' are much better than others. And the chances of DB trashing them and starting anew with even a couple has about same odds as me getting the #1 reward in the top line at the dabo wheel ...
Now, if it was up to me I would suggest that they trash all the card artwork. Let's go with a new, trendy, yet respected form of art! Let's see.... hmmm ... no, not Sir Peter Paul Rubens unfortunately ...
... I know! That Japanese style stuff with the bulgy eyes and weird faces. Anime??? Perfect for Klingons! What's not to love?
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This is true. I should not have said "worst" for Mirror Data. So I will attempt to be more fair in my criticism. I don't complain about cartoony or such in most cases, though there are some for which I simply don't care and others who look less like their actors than they ought. I believe Mirror Data is the most out-of-proportion due to his arm. That is so off-putting that it was a deciding factor against him in two begolds.
(Actually, I know how I missed it: stomach flu. But what a great surprise to come back to!)
Now if we can one day get the same treatment for CMO Bashir and Tomalak, I'll have all I need out of life
That’s a joke...take it as such. 😂. I could have said 4 year old, but what’s the fun in that? Aside from my apparent failed attempt at humor, my statement is nothing about PC social sensitivity, just effective communication imho. Granted, sometimes my opinions are way outside the circle...lol
Oh. My bad. Now on that, I admit I could have done better