Defender underdog to Attacker underdog wins is somewhere in the neighborhood of 5:1 in my experience.
I hit the 20K achievement sometime last year and during most of that (and since) I choose a lot of mirror and underdog matches. Some gauntlets these matches may run 50% of the total I select.
It's worth emphasizing though that most players probably don't play to lose matches, so they never see any benefits from the regular long odds RNG they encounter. That's just terrible UX.
No Red Angel for me yet, but plenty of Blue Trainers!
Me neither but I did get five worthless blue items, 40 chrons, and a single portal pull for my first place win.
Dang. I personally think that Gauntlet BeGold idea should definitely be enacted. And First Place {at least} should the Crates and a Gauntlet BeGold......
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
No Red Angel for me yet, but plenty of Blue Trainers!
here's a song just for you @Bylo Band : (to the tune of 'earth angel')
Red angel, Red angel
will you be mine?
my darling dear
love you all the time
i'm just a fool
a fool.
LOL, thank you!
OK, so here is a new thing you can do in Gauntlet. If you use the new Krenim Weapon Ship and position it just right and mess with the camera zoom, you can turn the generic background into a makeshift Tsunkatse ring!
Since red angel i just play as big underdog.
As a new player I do not have any special gauntlet crew and comming up against only special crew 80% of the time now there is not much chance of winning except by the RNG devil/angel.
So even streaks are vey hard if you always face 25-65% crew.
I am sorry for the experienced players that they get trainers as top rewards iften. But i would live just getting some chrons from streak boxes.
For new players it would be nice if there are 2gauntlets. One with special crew and one without (with lower prices)
Since red angel i just play as big underdog.
As a new player I do not have any special gauntlet crew and comming up against only special crew 80% of the time now there is not much chance of winning except by the RNG devil/angel.
So even streaks are vey hard if you always face 25-65% crew.
I am sorry for the experienced players that they get trainers as top rewards iften. But i would live just getting some chrons from streak boxes.
For new players it would be nice if there are 2gauntlets. One with special crew and one without (with lower prices)
I don't think anyone ever tested the gauntlet win chances by taking into account all variables (including how long your win streak is, how close you are to the next streak of 3 and its reward box, if you just spent dilithium or merits on it, and so on) but there's a good chance that the percentages would still result accurate.
The problem with the gauntlet is that it's basically a slot machine and that there is no real strategy that you can apply to it, as Bylo's experience with Locutus shows.
One of the reasons that I stayed ftp for the first year, was that the game seemed focused on making you spend money out of frustration, rather then as a specific strategy to improve your gameplay or get something you want. This has changed in a lot of aspects and you can apply actual strategy to save up resources, rank in events, get longer voyages and manage your crew, but it's stayed the same for the gauntlet.
You can rank in the top 10 and reach win streaks of 50 in every gauntlet, but there's still no guarantee that you'll get something useful out of it. Sure, it increases your chances, the same way buying 100 lottery tickets each day would, but it's still ultimately a game of chance.
The gauntlet is frustrating because it's designed to be. It doesn't want you to spend dilithium as part of any strategy. It wants you to spend dilithium because you had a win streak of 50 and then your 45% EV Suit Seven lost a SEC/SCI match again a 5% Surak.
I don't think anyone ever tested the gauntlet win chances by taking into account all variables (including how long your win streak is, how close you are to the next streak of 3 and its reward box, if you just spent dilithium or merits on it, and so on) but there's a good chance that the percentages would still result accurate.
For awhile there when we had IAP, at least in my experience, the Gauntlet was much simpler to find that favorable matchup and create longer streaks (not that it can’t be done without it). I liked that it could show you percentages of victory for each of your characters against given opponents (and you could play it straight from IAP). I do wish something like that still existed (although I am sure versions still exist out there on PC’s) with the same functionality...albeit without the voyage cheat. Now, I just go through a crap ton (yes, the scientific term ) of merits looking for someone I can hopefully destroy...
In terms of the Red Angel, RNGesus smiled upon me. I started a Gauntlet earlier this week and won her on a streak of 3 straight out of the gate (which happened right after finishing 1st in the previous Gauntlet and just getting chrons and 3* items from the loot boxes).
“A committee is a cul-de-sac, down which good ideas are lured and quietly strangled.” —Mark TwainMEMBER: [BoB] Barrel of Bloodwine... We are recruiting and putting the “curv” in scurvy! Best Event Finish: #3 Honor Debt: Inconceivable...Honor Bank Account: Slowly building...
UPDATE: as previously described, my hunt for RED Angel has been littered with BLUE trainers, but today I got quite a few PURPLE trainers, and since RED plus BLUE makes PURPLE, this is progress, right?
UPDATE: as previously described, my hunt for RED Angel has been littered with BLUE trainers, but today I got quite a few PURPLE trainers, and since RED plus BLUE makes PURPLE, this is progress, right?
RIGHT?!?!
Or, has RNGesus conspired against you? Muuhahahaha.
“A committee is a cul-de-sac, down which good ideas are lured and quietly strangled.” —Mark TwainMEMBER: [BoB] Barrel of Bloodwine... We are recruiting and putting the “curv” in scurvy! Best Event Finish: #3 Honor Debt: Inconceivable...Honor Bank Account: Slowly building...
Gauntlet is fun interesting again, finally! She holds her own against most of the previous gauntleteers, occasionally. The higher DIP/ENG combination at 5% was sorely needed. 🖖
"In the short run, the game defines the players. But in the long run, it's us players who define the game." — Nicky Case, The Evolution of Trust
Gauntlet is fun interesting again, finally! She holds her own against most of the previous gauntleteers, occasionally. The higher DIP/ENG combination at 5% was sorely needed. 🖖
UPDATE: as previously described, my hunt for RED Angel has been littered with BLUE trainers, but today I got quite a few PURPLE trainers, and since RED plus BLUE makes PURPLE, this is progress, right?
RIGHT?!?!
I'm sorry @Bylo Band but I have won two red angels. But I promise the next one I win is yours.
UPDATE: as previously described, my hunt for RED Angel has been littered with BLUE trainers, but today I got quite a few PURPLE trainers, and since RED plus BLUE makes PURPLE, this is progress, right?
RIGHT?!?!
I'm sorry @Bylo Band but I have won two red angels. But I promise the next one I win is yours.
runs
LOL. Nice one, @Princess Trista . Now, let’s discuss what kind of shoes match The Red Angel’s outfit.... ☮️
"In the short run, the game defines the players. But in the long run, it's us players who define the game." — Nicky Case, The Evolution of Trust
UPDATE: as previously described, my hunt for RED Angel has been littered with BLUE trainers, but today I got quite a few PURPLE trainers, and since RED plus BLUE makes PURPLE, this is progress, right?
RIGHT?!?!
I'm sorry @Bylo Band but I have won two red angels. But I promise the next one I win is yours.
runs
LOL. Nice one, @Princess Trista . Now, let’s discuss what kind of shoes match The Red Angel’s outfit.... ☮️
Opened a prize of seven boxes, got somebody in red but it was my third Guinan instead of Red Angel. Can’t complain of course but I thought RA had a better drop rate than previous gauntleteers. I did stop hitting number one though. After three straight gauntlets of blowing merits and dil and managing more trainers than anything actually worthwhile I will let RNG take its shots and maybe RA will drop eventually. I do have all the rest of them just none at five stars. Someeeedddaayyyyy, sommmeeewwaaayyyy, sommmeeehhhooowwww.
Can’t complain of course but I thought RA had a better drop rate than previous gauntleteers.
Red Angel has the same drop rate as all the previous gauntleteers together. As in, if a legendary character drops directly in Gauntlet, it's only a 50% chance of being Red Angel.
Funnily enough, I was just about to comment how frustrating at this point it must be for Red Angel seekers to have someone else drop instead. On the bright side, at least you didn't get another Armus!
Bylo Band, did I see you dil your way to first place in Gauntlet just now? How did you fare? Gary Seven kept dropping the ball for me in the last three rounds, and without any Campaign merits I only managed fifth place - but got a Red Angel from the prize boxes! It's about time, too
-EDIT-
Also, I did not "dil my way to first place", I used strategery. This time. I did just reload my dilithium so yeah, for the next few days, I'm coming in hot.
-EDIT-
Also, I did not "dil my way to first place", I used strategery. This time. I did just reload my dilithium so yeah, for the next few days, I'm coming in hot.
Sorry, I wrote the comment, previewed it, but then forgot to submit it until after I'd read some other websites! But I phrased it as a question; over 500 points in a single wave is quite unlikely, especially near the top, but not impossible. It's happened to me - not through strategery, but simply the luck of being offered lots of points on characters I can beat!
Wow - that's what nearly ALL my first place finishes loot looks like.
I am having the hardest time getting past about 21 streak nowadays. By the time I get past 18, I am already in the top 3, even choosing the lowest # trophies as much as possible & spending WAY TOO much merits.
Maybe you have to beat the Red Angel a certain amount of times to get her?
When I started playing the Gauntlet last year, in the first 8 months I picked up 7 Armus (Armi?), 2 Caretakers and a Guinan. Then the following months I managed just 1 more Guinan. The past 6 months I've been playing daily, even ending up in the top 10, and have not received ANY 5* crew. I figure it's been over 7,000 challenges (with many long streaks) and nothing to show for it.
Something has changed. I wasn't expecting a reward a week, but to get nothing in 6 months of daily play is definitely fishy.
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I hit the 20K achievement sometime last year and during most of that (and since) I choose a lot of mirror and underdog matches. Some gauntlets these matches may run 50% of the total I select.
It's worth emphasizing though that most players probably don't play to lose matches, so they never see any benefits from the regular long odds RNG they encounter. That's just terrible UX.
Mine was Fatigued, and about 200 points down on the roll. Crits did the deed......
Me neither but I did get five worthless blue items, 40 chrons, and a single portal pull for my first place win.
Dang. I personally think that Gauntlet BeGold idea should definitely be enacted. And First Place {at least} should the Crates and a Gauntlet BeGold......
here's a song just for you @Bylo Band : (to the tune of 'earth angel')
Red angel, Red angel
will you be mine?
my darling dear
love you all the time
i'm just a fool
a fool.
LOL, thank you!
OK, so here is a new thing you can do in Gauntlet. If you use the new Krenim Weapon Ship and position it just right and mess with the camera zoom, you can turn the generic background into a makeshift Tsunkatse ring!
As a new player I do not have any special gauntlet crew and comming up against only special crew 80% of the time now there is not much chance of winning except by the RNG devil/angel.
So even streaks are vey hard if you always face 25-65% crew.
I am sorry for the experienced players that they get trainers as top rewards iften. But i would live just getting some chrons from streak boxes.
For new players it would be nice if there are 2gauntlets. One with special crew and one without (with lower prices)
I am sorry. I know that is frustrating.
The problem with the gauntlet is that it's basically a slot machine and that there is no real strategy that you can apply to it, as Bylo's experience with Locutus shows.
One of the reasons that I stayed ftp for the first year, was that the game seemed focused on making you spend money out of frustration, rather then as a specific strategy to improve your gameplay or get something you want. This has changed in a lot of aspects and you can apply actual strategy to save up resources, rank in events, get longer voyages and manage your crew, but it's stayed the same for the gauntlet.
You can rank in the top 10 and reach win streaks of 50 in every gauntlet, but there's still no guarantee that you'll get something useful out of it. Sure, it increases your chances, the same way buying 100 lottery tickets each day would, but it's still ultimately a game of chance.
The gauntlet is frustrating because it's designed to be. It doesn't want you to spend dilithium as part of any strategy. It wants you to spend dilithium because you had a win streak of 50 and then your 45% EV Suit Seven lost a SEC/SCI match again a 5% Surak.
*coughcoughFrozenGauntleteerBugcoughcough*
Gauntlet functions as intended!
In terms of the Red Angel, RNGesus smiled upon me. I started a Gauntlet earlier this week and won her on a streak of 3 straight out of the gate (which happened right after finishing 1st in the previous Gauntlet and just getting chrons and 3* items from the loot boxes).
RIGHT?!?!
Or, has RNGesus conspired against you? Muuhahahaha.
She beat my Surak. Noooooooooo.
I'm sorry @Bylo Band but I have won two red angels. But I promise the next one I win is yours.
runs
LOL. Nice one, @Princess Trista . Now, let’s discuss what kind of shoes match The Red Angel’s outfit.... ☮️
With that outfit, DEFINITELY open toe!
Finished on a 75 streak also.
Funnily enough, I was just about to comment how frustrating at this point it must be for Red Angel seekers to have someone else drop instead. On the bright side, at least you didn't get another Armus!
Bylo Band, did I see you dil your way to first place in Gauntlet just now? How did you fare? Gary Seven kept dropping the ball for me in the last three rounds, and without any Campaign merits I only managed fifth place - but got a Red Angel from the prize boxes! It's about time, too
-EDIT-
Also, I did not "dil my way to first place", I used strategery. This time. I did just reload my dilithium so yeah, for the next few days, I'm coming in hot.
Sorry, I wrote the comment, previewed it, but then forgot to submit it until after I'd read some other websites! But I phrased it as a question; over 500 points in a single wave is quite unlikely, especially near the top, but not impossible. It's happened to me - not through strategery, but simply the luck of being offered lots of points on characters I can beat!
Wow - that's what nearly ALL my first place finishes loot looks like.
I am having the hardest time getting past about 21 streak nowadays. By the time I get past 18, I am already in the top 3, even choosing the lowest # trophies as much as possible & spending WAY TOO much merits.
Maybe you have to beat the Red Angel a certain amount of times to get her?
Something has changed. I wasn't expecting a reward a week, but to get nothing in 6 months of daily play is definitely fishy.