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Celestial Market Overview Discussion Thread
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As promised here is the overview of the Celestial Market that will go live in a few weeks.
https://forum.disruptorbeam.com/stt/discussion/18272/an-overview-of-the-celestial-market/
Comments and questions are welcome
https://forum.disruptorbeam.com/stt/discussion/18272/an-overview-of-the-celestial-market/
Comments and questions are welcome
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Starport
From what I've read so far, I'm cautiously optimistic, but the devil is in the details. I can see a bunch of ways this is implemented badly. But I also feel like a genius for building up a 100K ISM reserve.
It could be frustrating if you see a certain polestar going to other players, despite being on your wish list. I hope it doesn't become a bidding war!
There are no costs/fees for trading. So whatever price Constellations/Polestars are listed for is your purchase price. But since Constellations can be dematerialized for 300 ISM and Polestars can be dematerialized for 800 ISM, I would expect those to be the floor for trading prices.
The Celestial Market is simply first-in-first-out so there are no bidding wars - everything is based on time of listing/order. Whoever places an order first that meets the listing price gets that item.
That was my assumption. I could see some players getting frustrated if they are waiting for a long time to get a polestar/constellation that is in high demand.
The news that their next focus is going to be things to do with your crew sounded more promising, I hope they'll be able to follow through on that!
We'll have to see how available some polestars will be. But the ability to remove unwanted polestars and constellations is a great improvement for me. My main character has had great luck and has a ton of ISM. However my poor freeloader has little ISM and terrible luck - getting things like 2 binar constellations, Risian and other completely useless things, as well as 3 and 4 of other unwanted polestars. I basically wasted my purchase this month, so now this should improve a lot.
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Same. Since they say that, but also that no new game modes are planned I don´t expect too much though.
Players can also set their own price. If a player desperately wants a specific polestar, they can submit the highest bid out there. Then they will get it first as soon as a seller accepts their price. If another player comes in with a higher bid, that player will be at the top.
I'm very curious to see how prices work out and which are the most sought after polestars. But I can easily see 20k+ for a highly desirable polestar. While the price for human/federation will probably sit at 800 ism.
I sincerely hope the system is not based on player bids, like an auction. That will only serve to create a 'the rich get richer' scenario, and hurt average players and those just new to the game.
1. Get desired polestar on alt
2. List it at something ridiculous, like 100,000 ism
3. Have main buy it
4. Have main post human polestar at 100,000 ism
5. Have alt buy it to transfer ism back
Now I may need to watch Ben's demo again to confirm, but I do not believe Celestial Market is bidding-based or auction-like. Players can list (up to 99) Constellations/Polestars for 30 days, but as soon as an order is created that matches that listing price, that transaction completes and that listing ends (or reduces in quantity by 1). So I do not believe there is any concept of accepting prices by the seller - it is automatic.
Is the pricing set automatically, or are sellers able to set their own price when listing a polestar/constellation?
There might be a default value initially shown, but I am pretty sure prices are completely set by us players.
Should be interesting to see how pricing develops. I imagine there will be some impressive fluctuation the first few weeks.
Starport
It is 100% based on player input. The prices are all set by players. How much players are willing to sell a polestar for and how much they're willing to buy one for. Some polestars will be listed for much higher than others. I suspect a player could probably try to make money by buying polestars low and selling them higher. Or by buying constellations, converting them to polestars, and then selling the valuable polestars for more. But at the end of the day, all the player is gaining from that is ISM. And for players that were earning enough ISM before, earning extra ISM by playing the market won't really improve their gameplay, so I don't know if it's worth the effort.
But polestar and constellation trading removes so many problems. There's little value in hoarding huge amounts of ISM, and slow quantum generation negates much use in hoarding polestars you don't intend to use. I can see some edge cases that will likely result in folks holding onto things, but I bet it won't take many weeks for the price of polestars to drop.
Starport
Discussed on Timelines Talk. They debated this and decided they want to keep the overall market healthy and not allow trades limited to within a fleet.
Well in that case, since a handful of people debated this and made decisions for us all, I don't see much point in having a discussion thread about it.
Is there somewhere interested parties can submit a résumé or fill out an application to be allowed to be included in future debates of this nature?
It was a dev decision. You'll have to look and see if WRG is hiring if you want to submit an application.
That said, I do see a work around, of sorts. Find a polestar that is otherwise useless, like Edosian or Jem'hadar. Use fleet chat so only your fleet knows to look for it. You can use fleet chat to funnel ISM. That's my plan, anyway. You'll have to check the market and make sure no one else has that polestar or constellation posted, but I think you can make it work. A Yeoman Rand constellation would also be a good one.
There are a couple jobs listed. Feel free to submit your resume so you can be included in future design decisions.
https://www.wickedrealmgames.com/
You'll be able to just "grind them up" for 800 ISM. I suppose you could sell them for less, though.