I’ll take a slightly different tack here. There are more ways of doing stat creep than voyages. There could be awesome new arena crew or awesome voyagers, or crew with spectacular bases. Right now, we’re not getting any of that. The main thing we’re getting from new crew these days is just collection value. I don’t think that’s enough.
I’ll take a slightly different tack here. There are more ways of doing stat creep than voyages. There could be awesome new arena crew or awesome voyagers, or crew with spectacular bases. Right now, we’re not getting any of that. The main thing we’re getting from new crew these days is just collection value. I don’t think that’s enough.
I’ll take a slightly different tack here. There are more ways of doing stat creep than voyages. There could be awesome new arena crew or awesome voyagers, or crew with spectacular bases. Right now, we’re not getting any of that. The main thing we’re getting from new crew these days is just collection value. I don’t think that’s enough.
That's an interesting perspective. I wonder, can you isolate the 5*'s most easily attainable up to 4/5 by VIP 0 crew, @NoNameNamer to chart a trend there? If you have 4/5 stats, so much the better but it's possible enough for even VIP 0 player to have enough citations around to bump up at least some of these. By my reckoning, that pool would consist of:
Tribble Quark [mega]
Captain Picard Day Picard [achievements]
Tribble Kirk [mega]
Spock and I-Chaya [achievements]
For context, maybe also chart the pre-Waddle crew
Luau Paris [mega]
Adira Tal [apology plus achievements]
Lothario Q [mega]
Barry Waddle [mega]
Balok (Gauntlet) and/or Captain Tribble (Honor Hall) could arguably also be in the mix, or thrown out as outliers.
And with new Spock…the sad story goes on….
I meanwhile doubt they have any clue about stats. We‘re seeing a stats deflation.
Spock has a rare skill trio in a unique skill order. He's not stat monster, but there's little competition when it comes to CMD/MED, and not much more if you include MED/CMD.
It is a shame to see his raw voyage number lag behind Bridal Troi, Reverend Phlox, and Dr. Pollard - even with his edge on traits.
On the other hand, Spock also has tons of events, so he's going to get more weekend use. Even if that doesn't knock him in front, I think I wouldn't use him as an example of deflation.
I think WRG has a strong grasp of character stats, both individual and for the big picture. But I imagine they're also considering factors we tend to overlook.
As I mentioned earlier, I can argue theory all I want, in the end I haven't been chasing legendary crew much the past few months. I'm not saying folks shouldn't raise their concerns or even criticize, but it's possible to go too far the other way.
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Spock has a rare skill trio in a unique skill order. He's not stat monster, but there's little competition when it comes to CMD/MED, and not much more if you include MED/CMD.
I hadn't even noticed this point yet - so thanks for saying it! I have 350 legendary crew on my roster and NONE of them have CMD-MED-X as a skill sequence. Will he fit into a voyage seat for me? Dunno yet, but it doesn't matter because I can finally stop staring at my spreadsheet table that shows "0" in that column. Voyages are great, and I have voyage goals like most of us do, but they aren't the only aspect of the game that motivates people.
As for the actual stats... I-Chaya is free, and also fits with a notion we used to discuss around here that desirable main cast types often got lower stats than the one-off characters. (As a relevant example, I'll remind us of the Captain Spock reveal, which was a mix of yeah/meh for getting the variant but wishing the stats matched the iconic representation. Capt. Spock is good - and he's gonna do work in the upcoming event - but he's slightly less than we collectively anticipated at the time.)
Edit: I see that the relative uniqueness of I-Chaya has also been discussed in the puzzle thread. I should read more before I comment but the sentiment is unchanged.
And with new Spock…the sad story goes on….
I meanwhile doubt they have any clue about stats. We‘re seeing a stats deflation.
Spock has a rare skill trio in a unique skill order. He's not stat monster, but there's little competition when it comes to CMD/MED, and not much more if you include MED/CMD.
It is a shame to see his raw voyage number lag behind Bridal Troi, Reverend Phlox, and Dr. Pollard - even with his edge on traits.
On the other hand, Spock also has tons of events, so he's going to get more weekend use. Even if that doesn't knock him in front, I think I wouldn't use him as an example of deflation.
I think WRG has a strong grasp of character stats, both individual and for the big picture. But I imagine they're also considering factors we tend to overlook.
As I mentioned earlier, I can argue theory all I want, in the end I haven't been chasing legendary crew much the past few months. I'm not saying folks shouldn't raise their concerns or even criticize, but it's possible to go too far the other way.
Indeed it is. 🙄
As to your previous point, I somewhat agree. Trait assignments could be better, in terms of new cards. Don’t get me started on ship abilities, though. 🖖
"In the short run, the game defines the players. But in the long run, it's us players who define the game." — Nicky Case, The Evolution of Trust
And with new Spock…the sad story goes on….
I meanwhile doubt they have any clue about stats. We‘re seeing a stats deflation.
Spock has a rare skill trio in a unique skill order. He's not stat monster, but there's little competition when it comes to CMD/MED, and not much more if you include MED/CMD.
It is a shame to see his raw voyage number lag behind Bridal Troi, Reverend Phlox, and Dr. Pollard - even with his edge on traits.
On the other hand, Spock also has tons of events, so he's going to get more weekend use. Even if that doesn't knock him in front, I think I wouldn't use him as an example of deflation.
I think WRG has a strong grasp of character stats, both individual and for the big picture. But I imagine they're also considering factors we tend to overlook.
As I mentioned earlier, I can argue theory all I want, in the end I haven't been chasing legendary crew much the past few months. I'm not saying folks shouldn't raise their concerns or even criticize, but it's possible to go too far the other way.
Glad others like him. I find him to be a huge disappointment. The art was great but the stats don’t match it. I can’t use him on voyages and I already have lots of Spocks for events. The hyped sale didn’t impress me either. I don’t want a lot of super rare citations. Started this week pissed off they took costume trait away from Platonian Chekov without replacing it with anything else, I skipped the Platonian Spock event in protest save for the little I had to do for honor, support has done nothing to ameliorate my anger about Platonian Chekov but given me empty apologies for the inconvenience and I am underwhelmed by this hyped week so far. Further, a card I had been really looking forward to, Captain Burnham, had mediocre stats which really bummed me out. Others will probably say I am being ungrateful for this free 4/5 Spock but I frequently defend WRG and I don’t feel like doing it this week or giving them the benefit of the doubt. This stinks.
Aaaannnndddd they did it again…there was a chance to have someone
better or close to Braxtons voyages stats. Instead…..😡🤬
Picard’s stats are pretty awful. It’s getting more and more tempting to throw events with bad stat event crew. Has anyone at TP checked to see that it’s not 2017 anymore?
The lack of good voyagers is a bit of a drag. This Picard looks like it could be a chart topper for CMD/ENG proficiency… and gauntlet crew seems to be a bit of a theme in recent months
The way I see it, there are plenty of criteria for evaluating new crew (greatest to lowest):
Voyage Stats
Primary Stats
Arena Power
Skirmish Power
Skill Combinations (rarity and value)
Main Cast / Event Potential
Traits (rarity and number)
Collections
Difficulty of Build
Artwork
Captain Kirk of [Battleship Musashi]
Playing since June 14th, 2019
Captain Level 80 / VIP 12
Crew Quarters: 241/270
Immortalized [436]: 5* x30, 4* x239, 3* x89, 2* x53, and 1* x27
Most recent Immortal: Deral (4/4)
Current Project: Waiting for sale with 680k Honor
Completed Collections: Eugenics, Daystrom, Romulan, Ferengi, Do No Harm, Veteran, EV Suit, Rare, Uncommon and Common
I have 3450 (with boosts) as a floor with 3600 being the good mark when considering retrieving or competing for, generally. Main cast, # of collections, unbalanced core vs proficiency scores, art, and the following event can move that needle, but I have my crew in a matrix by skills in my tool. I'm around 11 hrs voyage time. If you're at 6 hrs or breaking 12 regularly, your standard will vary.
That said, have I competed for any legendary crew during the mega or since? No. In fact, I don't know I think the only one I've really cared to compete for since Waddle was Boy Blue Wesley.
Since Waddle, I’ve immortalised Tribble Quark, Blue Boy Wes, Tribble Kirk and Tribble McCoy.
Went for McCoy because he seemed OK and I don’t have another variant immo’d… but I don’t think I’ve used him once apart from in the mega. The others have all been useful for me.
I’ve not competed for most other event legendaries for the same reasons given by many of you above - they won’t add to my crew’s voyage potential; have little other obvious benefits; and I don’t have the roster space to waste.
Edit: I would compete if I really loved the character though.
I also don’t buy Tuesday packs because ££££ so if any good ones have been in there I’ve missed out!
Since Waddle, I’ve immortalised Tribble Quark, Blue Boy Wes, Tribble Kirk and Tribble McCoy.
Went for McCoy because he seemed OK and I don’t have another variant immo’d… but I don’t think I’ve used him once apart from in the mega. The others have all been useful for me.
I’ve not competed for most other event legendaries for the same reasons given by many of you above - they won’t add to my crew’s voyage potential; have little other obvious benefits; and I don’t have the roster space to waste.
Edit: I would compete if I really loved the character though.
I also don’t buy Tuesday packs because ££££ so if any good ones have been in there I’ve missed out!
Not just that but they seem to instantly hit Campaigns, LTOs or get devalued in other ways (Platonian Chekov losing Costumed, Medic Reno in a Giveaway) for strange reasons that there is literally no reason to invest in Tuesday Golds these days.
Since Waddle, I’ve immortalised Tribble Quark, Blue Boy Wes, Tribble Kirk and Tribble McCoy.
Went for McCoy because he seemed OK and I don’t have another variant immo’d… but I don’t think I’ve used him once apart from in the mega. The others have all been useful for me.
I’ve not competed for most other event legendaries for the same reasons given by many of you above - they won’t add to my crew’s voyage potential; have little other obvious benefits; and I don’t have the roster space to waste.
Edit: I would compete if I really loved the character though.
I also don’t buy Tuesday packs because ££££ so if any good ones have been in there I’ve missed out!
Not just that but they seem to instantly hit Campaigns, LTOs or get devalued in other ways (Platonian Chekov losing Costumed, Medic Reno in a Giveaway) for strange reasons that there is literally no reason to invest in Tuesday Golds these days.
You mean apart from the 1/3 of 10% chance? 🧮
"In the short run, the game defines the players. But in the long run, it's us players who define the game." — Nicky Case, The Evolution of Trust
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Well stated.
That's an interesting perspective. I wonder, can you isolate the 5*'s most easily attainable up to 4/5 by VIP 0 crew, @NoNameNamer to chart a trend there? If you have 4/5 stats, so much the better but it's possible enough for even VIP 0 player to have enough citations around to bump up at least some of these. By my reckoning, that pool would consist of:
Tribble Quark [mega]
Captain Picard Day Picard [achievements]
Tribble Kirk [mega]
Spock and I-Chaya [achievements]
For context, maybe also chart the pre-Waddle crew
Luau Paris [mega]
Adira Tal [apology plus achievements]
Lothario Q [mega]
Barry Waddle [mega]
Balok (Gauntlet) and/or Captain Tribble (Honor Hall) could arguably also be in the mix, or thrown out as outliers.
Spock has a rare skill trio in a unique skill order. He's not stat monster, but there's little competition when it comes to CMD/MED, and not much more if you include MED/CMD.
It is a shame to see his raw voyage number lag behind Bridal Troi, Reverend Phlox, and Dr. Pollard - even with his edge on traits.
On the other hand, Spock also has tons of events, so he's going to get more weekend use. Even if that doesn't knock him in front, I think I wouldn't use him as an example of deflation.
I think WRG has a strong grasp of character stats, both individual and for the big picture. But I imagine they're also considering factors we tend to overlook.
As I mentioned earlier, I can argue theory all I want, in the end I haven't been chasing legendary crew much the past few months. I'm not saying folks shouldn't raise their concerns or even criticize, but it's possible to go too far the other way.
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I hadn't even noticed this point yet - so thanks for saying it! I have 350 legendary crew on my roster and NONE of them have CMD-MED-X as a skill sequence. Will he fit into a voyage seat for me? Dunno yet, but it doesn't matter because I can finally stop staring at my spreadsheet table that shows "0" in that column. Voyages are great, and I have voyage goals like most of us do, but they aren't the only aspect of the game that motivates people.
As for the actual stats... I-Chaya is free, and also fits with a notion we used to discuss around here that desirable main cast types often got lower stats than the one-off characters. (As a relevant example, I'll remind us of the Captain Spock reveal, which was a mix of yeah/meh for getting the variant but wishing the stats matched the iconic representation. Capt. Spock is good - and he's gonna do work in the upcoming event - but he's slightly less than we collectively anticipated at the time.)
Edit: I see that the relative uniqueness of I-Chaya has also been discussed in the puzzle thread. I should read more before I comment
Indeed it is. 🙄
As to your previous point, I somewhat agree. Trait assignments could be better, in terms of new cards. Don’t get me started on ship abilities, though. 🖖
Glad others like him. I find him to be a huge disappointment. The art was great but the stats don’t match it. I can’t use him on voyages and I already have lots of Spocks for events. The hyped sale didn’t impress me either. I don’t want a lot of super rare citations. Started this week pissed off they took costume trait away from Platonian Chekov without replacing it with anything else, I skipped the Platonian Spock event in protest save for the little I had to do for honor, support has done nothing to ameliorate my anger about Platonian Chekov but given me empty apologies for the inconvenience and I am underwhelmed by this hyped week so far. Further, a card I had been really looking forward to, Captain Burnham, had mediocre stats which really bummed me out. Others will probably say I am being ungrateful for this free 4/5 Spock but I frequently defend WRG and I don’t feel like doing it this week or giving them the benefit of the doubt. This stinks.
better or close to Braxtons voyages stats. Instead…..😡🤬
Picard’s stats are pretty awful. It’s getting more and more tempting to throw events with bad stat event crew. Has anyone at TP checked to see that it’s not 2017 anymore?
Voyage Stats
Primary Stats
Arena Power
Skirmish Power
Skill Combinations (rarity and value)
Main Cast / Event Potential
Traits (rarity and number)
Collections
Difficulty of Build
Artwork
Playing since June 14th, 2019
Captain Level 80 / VIP 12
Crew Quarters: 241/270
Immortalized [436]: 5* x30, 4* x239, 3* x89, 2* x53, and 1* x27
Most recent Immortal: Deral (4/4)
Current Project: Waiting for sale with 680k Honor
Completed Collections: Eugenics, Daystrom, Romulan, Ferengi, Do No Harm, Veteran, EV Suit, Rare, Uncommon and Common
That said, have I competed for any legendary crew during the mega or since? No. In fact, I don't know I think the only one I've really cared to compete for since Waddle was Boy Blue Wesley.
Went for McCoy because he seemed OK and I don’t have another variant immo’d… but I don’t think I’ve used him once apart from in the mega. The others have all been useful for me.
I’ve not competed for most other event legendaries for the same reasons given by many of you above - they won’t add to my crew’s voyage potential; have little other obvious benefits; and I don’t have the roster space to waste.
Edit: I would compete if I really loved the character though.
I also don’t buy Tuesday packs because ££££ so if any good ones have been in there I’ve missed out!
Not just that but they seem to instantly hit Campaigns, LTOs or get devalued in other ways (Platonian Chekov losing Costumed, Medic Reno in a Giveaway) for strange reasons that there is literally no reason to invest in Tuesday Golds these days.
You mean apart from the 1/3 of 10% chance? 🧮
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Captain Level 99
Played since January 2017
TP: Do better!!!
Yep. A Mayweather pack alone would be good but I am not buying that six pack or a two skill mudd
In 3 months, Braxton will be 3 years old and the #1 voyager for half of the game's life. I'm hoping we get a new top voyager by then.
Thank you!