No new players are going to be competitive in a galaxy event. The idea is preposterous. They haven't even unlocked all the missions yet. This is about making you pay $50 for 6000 chronotrons during a galaxy. DB apparently thinks we are stupid.
I came very close to breaking the 2000 level after two months as a free player. I hit 12 to 15 thousand mark on faction events.
Ironically I started playing them more because of how Voyages used to be.
And now with the production update update, I may not even bother extending when I do get a 4* as mentioned in last post.
If Voyages are not going to be reverted
And is geared to non paying players, no point in me extending them.
Yep I went from monthly card to $100 bucks a month solely for voyages. Apparently my money isn't what they want because I won't be buying packs or very expensive chronotrons. I will just return to monthly card only and forget about trying to compete in galaxy events.
No new players are going to be competitive in a galaxy event. The idea is preposterous. They haven't even unlocked all the missions yet. This is about making you pay $50 for 6000 chronotrons during a galaxy. DB apparently thinks we are stupid.
I came very close to breaking the 2000 level after two months as a free player. I hit 12 to 15 thousand mark on faction events.
But since ranked rewards end at 1000 that really is not competitive.
Are you sure those are drops, not one time rewards for a choice in a dilemma?
I'm about 99% sure they reset the "this choice has been selected for the first time" switch on ALL of the dilemmas, which is also where they tied the new 4* crew too. Also where a 4* crew was rolled for on non-specific crew drops, and where schematics dropped. The second time you make the same choice on a dilemma you'll get the standard roll.
This is the first I've seen anyone mention any such mechanic. The research I've seen, and what's been posted on the wiki, suggests that it's the specific dilemma that determines whether you get 100/75/4* or 60/50/3* or 30/30/2*. Other than the voyage only crew, nothing has been said about any one time flag.
I know there’s been some questions regarding the changes I mentioned in my last production update, as well as details in the release notes, so I wanted to explain those things in greater detail.
The short version is that circumstances changed between when I wrote my last update and when the update went live, and I didn’t account for those changes.
For example, I wrote that we intended to reduce Training Holoprogram drops during Voyages. However, after analyzing the overall drops in Voyages we decided against making that change. We made sure that the release notes had the correct information, but I didn’t amend the production update to reflect that. That was an oversight on my part.
I also realized we weren’t as clear as we needed to be when we explained the changes to Voyages. We made this change because the amount of chronitons being earned from Voyages was disproportionately benefiting the strongest players in the game and allowed many of those players to dominate Galaxy events. We felt this was unfair to the majority of players, especially our newest players.
We also want you to know that while the frequency of Chronitons drops during Voyages has decreased, the quantity of Chronitons you receive in each drop has actually increased. The overall impact is that for shorter Voyages, you are more likely to end up with a few more Chronitons than before. Longer Voyages, meanwhile, are more likely to earn fewer Chronitons than previously. This reduction in Chronitons earned kicks in after you’ve hit the 4-hour mark.
To be clear: We are not reverting the Chronitons change to Voyages. But over the next couple of months we will continue to add additional crew to the loot table, including some of your favorite crew that haven’t appeared in Voyages yet. We are also continuing to monitor the gameplay impact of these changes, and will make adjustments as needed, which we will communicate to you.
We fell short of our goal of being completely transparent in explaining changes to the game, but we are committed to improving in that area with each release.
Please continue to send us your feedback on Voyages and other aspects of STAR TREK TIMELINES. We built this game for you, and we want to keep providing a great experience in the universe you love.
We were told Voyages were going to receive a slight adjustment. I just did an 8 hour and 57 minute voyage and got 405 chronitrons. That is about half what I used to get. In what universe is 50% considered slight?
I've been spending a lot of money on voyages, primarily for chronotrons. I don't buy packs unless I get a 10 for 10 deal. If DB wants to turn me back into a monthly card only buyer, then they have certainly figured out the best way to do that.
Your Voyage was longer than four hours. That was posted in the clarification today. They are going for more transparency, which is always a good thing.
Scott
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
Many times when I've gotten a 3* it's still been on the 30/30.
I haven't seen others talk about that mechanic, but from observing my voyages, it appears to be there. It also makes sense given the one time 4* voyage only crew drops.
I say you guys watch the first time you pick an option for a dilemma, and see if you notice the same pattern, or if I'm mistaken, which is a distinct possibility.
Many times when I've gotten a 3* it's still been on the 30/30.
I haven't seen others talk about that mechanic, but from observing my voyages, it appears to be there. It also makes sense given the one time 4* voyage only crew drops.
I say you guys watch the first time you pick an option for a dilemma, and see if you notice the same pattern, or if I'm mistaken, which is a distinct possibility.
The wiki does mention that the 30/30 can drop a 3* instead of a 2*, even though I didn't mention it.
You may well be on to something, and of course it would be difficult to determine given that we're relying on crowd sourced information.
No new players are going to be competitive in a galaxy event. The idea is preposterous. They haven't even unlocked all the missions yet. This is about making you pay $50 for 6000 chronotrons during a galaxy. DB apparently thinks we are stupid.
And there's the disconnect. They didn't lose the people spending $50 per event. They most likely lost the $10-20 spenders that make up the majority of the revenue stream.
$10-20 used to put my decent crew in the top 2500. Now it wouldn't break 10k
No new players are going to be competitive in a galaxy event. The idea is preposterous. They haven't even unlocked all the missions yet. This is about making you pay $50 for 6000 chronotrons during a galaxy. DB apparently thinks we are stupid.
And there's the disconnect. They didn't lose the people spending $50 per event. They most likely lost the $10-20 spenders that make up the majority of the revenue stream.
$10-20 used to put my decent crew in the top 2500. Now it wouldn't break 10k
Galaxy events have been won by F2P players. The amount of money you need to spend on a Galaxy Event is zero. It does take a lot of Chrons to place well but that's what planning in advance is for. The only characters you need are the 4/4 Threshold character, the 1/4 Community Reward Character and perhaps one bonus character to cover the off skills.
Placing well in every Galaxy event is a large amount of resources and not something I would recommend for the average player.
I can attest to the decrease payout across all aspects of Voyages, I was used to get 3-5 4* and of course plenty of chronos and trainers and credits , on my current voyage started this AM I am out 13 hrs already with only 6 crew ( 3-2*, 2-3*, and 1-4*) as well as only 700 chronos( basically nothing). Without a doubt this is like the infamous WG nerf bat to the Foch 155 ......goes from OP to f'''ed.
No new players are going to be competitive in a galaxy event. The idea is preposterous. They haven't even unlocked all the missions yet. This is about making you pay $50 for 6000 chronotrons during a galaxy. DB apparently thinks we are stupid.
And there's the disconnect. They didn't lose the people spending $50 per event. They most likely lost the $10-20 spenders that make up the majority of the revenue stream.
$10-20 used to put my decent crew in the top 2500. Now it wouldn't break 10k
Galaxy events have been won by F2P players. The amount of money you need to spend on a Galaxy Event is zero. It does take a lot of Chrons to place well but that's what planning in advance is for. The only characters you need are the 4/4 Threshold character, the 1/4 Community Reward Character and perhaps one bonus character to cover the off skills.
Placing well in every Galaxy event is a large amount of resources and not something I would recommend for the average player.
Let me say that the event the other week, where Jadzia was a Bonus character, Festivus "Crazy Eyes" Dax was drawing the Super Rares with percentages as low as 21%. When others were failing at 60%+. Sometimes you do not even need the 4* Characters to do well.
Scott
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
My personal experience so far is that drops of 4 star characters is up about 300% and chronitrons down about 20%. Great deal if you ask me! Especially given the amount of voyages-only 4 star character we now have (6 and counting).
Are you sure those are drops, not one time rewards for a choice in a dilemma?
I'm about 99% sure they reset the "this choice has been selected for the first time" switch on ALL of the dilemmas, which is also where they tied the new 4* crew too. Also where a 4* crew was rolled for on non-specific crew drops, and where schematics dropped. The second time you make the same choice on a dilemma you'll get the standard roll.
They were just regular drops. I don't remember any 4stars drop being from dilemmas. Not all of them were useful mind you, I got Ardra, Appolo and other one-off non-recurring characters. Did get a Detective Dixon and EV suit Tucker so I can't complaint.
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The explanation that we got today made sense to me. They don't want the players that farm chrons on long voyages to have all of those chrons for galaxy events. It's also understandable that players will be less likely to spend dilithium on antimatter refills, and I guess DB is ok with that. I won't be refilling anymore.
Lol we ask for Christmas sales so we can give them more money, they take away (ok, not take away.. just feels like it with the considerable nerf) something we were already putting money into.
It feels like they ripped a freshly opened Christmas gift right out of our hands.
I don't think I've ever felt so depressed about this game before.
It feels like they ripped a freshly opened Christmas gift right out of our hands.
I don't think I've ever felt so depressed about this game before.
Merry Christmas
I completely agree voyages made it possible for me to be able to get top 50 in a galaxy event. It's not like other people could not follow the same strategy if they wanted to. Now you can get a lot of chronotrons for a galaxy for $50 instead, which probably disrupts the balance of the game just as much or more than voyages ever did. I don't think that will be going anywhere.
I am just unwilling to pay that much for chronotrons. I've spent more money on this game than any other game I have ever played and now I am being punished for it.
This is the one thing they could do to make me want to quit playing and sure enough they did it.
It feels like they ripped a freshly opened Christmas gift right out of our hands.
I don't think I've ever felt so depressed about this game before.
Merry Christmas
I completely agree voyages made it possible for me to be able to get top 50 in a galaxy event.
You realize that you're competing against a lot of other people that are also getting tonnes of chrons from Voyages. It may not feel like it but you placed in the top 50 because you wanted to be there. Whales dominating the standings in Galaxy events is not actually a thing. Voyages had nothing to do with your placement.
It feels like they ripped a freshly opened Christmas gift right out of our hands.
I don't think I've ever felt so depressed about this game before.
Merry Christmas
I completely agree voyages made it possible for me to be able to get top 50 in a galaxy event.
You realize that you're competing against a lot of other people that are also getting tonnes of chrons from Voyages. It may not feel like it but you placed in the top 50 because you wanted to be there. Whales dominating the standings in Galaxy events is not actually a thing. Voyages had nothing to do with your placement.
All of the chronotron I used came from voyages built up over a week and a half. They have basically ruined the entire way I play this game. The only thing I have been interested in buying was dilithium to extend voyages for chronotrons.
It feels like they ripped a freshly opened Christmas gift right out of our hands.
I don't think I've ever felt so depressed about this game before.
Merry Christmas
I completely agree voyages made it possible for me to be able to get top 50 in a galaxy event.
You realize that you're competing against a lot of other people that are also getting tonnes of chrons from Voyages. It may not feel like it but you placed in the top 50 because you wanted to be there. Whales dominating the standings in Galaxy events is not actually a thing. Voyages had nothing to do with your placement.
All of the chronotron I used came from voyages built up over a week and a half. They have basically ruined the entire way I play this game. The only thing I have been interested in buying was dilithium to extend voyages for chronotrons.
And how many other people did the same thing? Some dude recently posted a screenshot of their game and he had 47000 Chrons stashed. Would you want to compete with that? The only good reason to extend the a Voyage is for more 4*'s. You already get tonnes of Chrons in game already. Voyages inflate everyone's chron total. All they do is increase the amount of VP needed to get a particular rank. It has little effect on placement.
More to the point, you still get plenty of Chrons from Voyages. My current 7h23m (and counting) Voyage is at 481 Chrons. My earlier 7h30m Voyage got me 549 Chrons.
It feels like they ripped a freshly opened Christmas gift right out of our hands.
I don't think I've ever felt so depressed about this game before.
Merry Christmas
I completely agree voyages made it possible for me to be able to get top 50 in a galaxy event.
You realize that you're competing against a lot of other people that are also getting tonnes of chrons from Voyages. It may not feel like it but you placed in the top 50 because you wanted to be there. Whales dominating the standings in Galaxy events is not actually a thing. Voyages had nothing to do with your placement.
All of the chronotron I used came from voyages built up over a week and a half. They have basically ruined the entire way I play this game. The only thing I have been interested in buying was dilithium to extend voyages for chronotrons.
And how many other people did the same thing? Some dude recently posted a screenshot of their game and he had 47000 Chrons stashed. Would you want to compete with that? The only good reason to extend the a Voyage is for more 4*'s. You already get tonnes of Chrons in game already. Voyages inflate everyone's chron total. All they do is increase the amount of VP needed to get a particular rank. It has little effect on placement.
More to the point, you still get plenty of Chrons from Voyages. My current 7h23m (and counting) Voyage is at 481 Chrons. My earlier 7h30m Voyage got me 549 Chrons.
Well since it only took about 10,000 chronotrons to get 34th in the last galaxy, I would say there's a natural limit to the amount of time and number of chronotrons used in an event. I also use them for other things, and I don't want them to limit my ability to level up crew because of chronotrons.
You are entitled to your opinion, but I don't remember always getting 4*s in my voyages. Sometimes I would get a bunch and others maybe 1. Since the update I have received 0 and run 2 long voyages, so the only thing you can count on are tons of 2* and 3* that get airlocked immediately.
It feels like they ripped a freshly opened Christmas gift right out of our hands.
I don't think I've ever felt so depressed about this game before.
Merry Christmas
I completely agree voyages made it possible for me to be able to get top 50 in a galaxy event.
You realize that you're competing against a lot of other people that are also getting tonnes of chrons from Voyages. It may not feel like it but you placed in the top 50 because you wanted to be there. Whales dominating the standings in Galaxy events is not actually a thing. Voyages had nothing to do with your placement.
All of the chronotron I used came from voyages built up over a week and a half. They have basically ruined the entire way I play this game. The only thing I have been interested in buying was dilithium to extend voyages for chronotrons.
And how many other people did the same thing? Some dude recently posted a screenshot of their game and he had 47000 Chrons stashed. Would you want to compete with that? The only good reason to extend the a Voyage is for more 4*'s. You already get tonnes of Chrons in game already. Voyages inflate everyone's chron total. All they do is increase the amount of VP needed to get a particular rank. It has little effect on placement.
More to the point, you still get plenty of Chrons from Voyages. My current 7h23m (and counting) Voyage is at 481 Chrons. My earlier 7h30m Voyage got me 549 Chrons.
Yeah extend for more 4s that will take more chrons to level up, lol.
As someone who regularly gets beholds that are all already FFed, I personally don't need more 4s. I need to level the ones I've got, preferably as fast or faster than DB releases them as I've already spent plenty of damn money on slots. And that's when trying to also play galaxies.
Yeah I can do the dumbass thing and go airlock happy, but honestly that's just stupid. Got the characters either for DIL or for event performance --- might as well just start stopping events. Not because they aren't fun but because it becomes a waste.
I actually enjoy both Galaxies and Faction (though Expeditions are my favs and Galaxies my least) so I play cause I want to play. It's depressing when you gotta toss what was supposed to be a prize. Eventually there will be a limit to the slots I can buy, and galaxies being as often as they are knock off close to 30% of a month from being able to level crew.
Voyages pre-nerf helped me make progress, whereas now I gotta decide if I should play or not.
When I have less of a reason to play an event I have less of a reason to spend for anything in game.
We were told Voyages were going to receive a slight adjustment. I just did an 8 hour and 57 minute voyage and got 405 chronitrons. That is about half what I used to get. In what universe is 50% considered slight?
I've been spending a lot of money on voyages, primarily for chronotrons. I don't buy packs unless I get a 10 for 10 deal. If DB wants to turn me back into a monthly card only buyer, then they have certainly figured out the best way to do that.
Is this supposed to be a mirror thread?
Surprised you would start this thread after heckling everyone else when they voiced their complaints.
I don’t have a problem with less chrons in voyages.
Stop complaining. Why are people always complaining.
I don’t mind whatever it is you don’t like.
DB is a business why do you want them to make less money.
Etc.
I obviously don’t feel this way. You are free to do all these things.
I sense rumbles of another 'DB, do better" campaign...
Useless...as long as they got their "DB is perfect" fans, everything else is just a storm in a glass of water...
I'm often accused of being a DB is perfect person. I am more than willing to complain about things that I actually have a serious problem with. I will continue to pass on making complaints about things that do not matter.
So when YOU have a serious problem. I see how it works. Next time you want “pass on making complaints” why don’t you also “pass” on heckling the threads.
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I came very close to breaking the 2000 level after two months as a free player. I hit 12 to 15 thousand mark on faction events.
Yep I went from monthly card to $100 bucks a month solely for voyages. Apparently my money isn't what they want because I won't be buying packs or very expensive chronotrons. I will just return to monthly card only and forget about trying to compete in galaxy events.
But since ranked rewards end at 1000 that really is not competitive.
This is the first I've seen anyone mention any such mechanic. The research I've seen, and what's been posted on the wiki, suggests that it's the specific dilemma that determines whether you get 100/75/4* or 60/50/3* or 30/30/2*. Other than the voyage only crew, nothing has been said about any one time flag.
Your Voyage was longer than four hours. That was posted in the clarification today. They are going for more transparency, which is always a good thing.
Scott
I haven't seen others talk about that mechanic, but from observing my voyages, it appears to be there. It also makes sense given the one time 4* voyage only crew drops.
I say you guys watch the first time you pick an option for a dilemma, and see if you notice the same pattern, or if I'm mistaken, which is a distinct possibility.
The wiki does mention that the 30/30 can drop a 3* instead of a 2*, even though I didn't mention it.
You may well be on to something, and of course it would be difficult to determine given that we're relying on crowd sourced information.
And there's the disconnect. They didn't lose the people spending $50 per event. They most likely lost the $10-20 spenders that make up the majority of the revenue stream.
$10-20 used to put my decent crew in the top 2500. Now it wouldn't break 10k
My first slap on the wrist from Shan! Touched a nerve somewhere, I guess.
Galaxy events have been won by F2P players. The amount of money you need to spend on a Galaxy Event is zero. It does take a lot of Chrons to place well but that's what planning in advance is for. The only characters you need are the 4/4 Threshold character, the 1/4 Community Reward Character and perhaps one bonus character to cover the off skills.
Placing well in every Galaxy event is a large amount of resources and not something I would recommend for the average player.
Let me say that the event the other week, where Jadzia was a Bonus character, Festivus "Crazy Eyes" Dax was drawing the Super Rares with percentages as low as 21%. When others were failing at 60%+. Sometimes you do not even need the 4* Characters to do well.
Scott
They were just regular drops. I don't remember any 4stars drop being from dilemmas. Not all of them were useful mind you, I got Ardra, Appolo and other one-off non-recurring characters. Did get a Detective Dixon and EV suit Tucker so I can't complaint.
It feels like they ripped a freshly opened Christmas gift right out of our hands.
I don't think I've ever felt so depressed about this game before.
Merry Christmas
I completely agree voyages made it possible for me to be able to get top 50 in a galaxy event. It's not like other people could not follow the same strategy if they wanted to. Now you can get a lot of chronotrons for a galaxy for $50 instead, which probably disrupts the balance of the game just as much or more than voyages ever did. I don't think that will be going anywhere.
I am just unwilling to pay that much for chronotrons. I've spent more money on this game than any other game I have ever played and now I am being punished for it.
This is the one thing they could do to make me want to quit playing and sure enough they did it.
You realize that you're competing against a lot of other people that are also getting tonnes of chrons from Voyages. It may not feel like it but you placed in the top 50 because you wanted to be there. Whales dominating the standings in Galaxy events is not actually a thing. Voyages had nothing to do with your placement.
All of the chronotron I used came from voyages built up over a week and a half. They have basically ruined the entire way I play this game. The only thing I have been interested in buying was dilithium to extend voyages for chronotrons.
And how many other people did the same thing? Some dude recently posted a screenshot of their game and he had 47000 Chrons stashed. Would you want to compete with that? The only good reason to extend the a Voyage is for more 4*'s. You already get tonnes of Chrons in game already. Voyages inflate everyone's chron total. All they do is increase the amount of VP needed to get a particular rank. It has little effect on placement.
More to the point, you still get plenty of Chrons from Voyages. My current 7h23m (and counting) Voyage is at 481 Chrons. My earlier 7h30m Voyage got me 549 Chrons.
Well since it only took about 10,000 chronotrons to get 34th in the last galaxy, I would say there's a natural limit to the amount of time and number of chronotrons used in an event. I also use them for other things, and I don't want them to limit my ability to level up crew because of chronotrons.
You are entitled to your opinion, but I don't remember always getting 4*s in my voyages. Sometimes I would get a bunch and others maybe 1. Since the update I have received 0 and run 2 long voyages, so the only thing you can count on are tons of 2* and 3* that get airlocked immediately.
How bout make it easy and call em chrons...
I like croutons. 🥗
Crouton, the French word for the end of the bread loaf. Can we call them "heels"?
Yeah extend for more 4s that will take more chrons to level up, lol.
As someone who regularly gets beholds that are all already FFed, I personally don't need more 4s. I need to level the ones I've got, preferably as fast or faster than DB releases them as I've already spent plenty of damn money on slots. And that's when trying to also play galaxies.
Yeah I can do the dumbass thing and go airlock happy, but honestly that's just stupid. Got the characters either for DIL or for event performance --- might as well just start stopping events. Not because they aren't fun but because it becomes a waste.
I actually enjoy both Galaxies and Faction (though Expeditions are my favs and Galaxies my least) so I play cause I want to play. It's depressing when you gotta toss what was supposed to be a prize. Eventually there will be a limit to the slots I can buy, and galaxies being as often as they are knock off close to 30% of a month from being able to level crew.
Voyages pre-nerf helped me make progress, whereas now I gotta decide if I should play or not.
When I have less of a reason to play an event I have less of a reason to spend for anything in game.
Chrons
Crous
What’s the difference...
I like garlic croutons.
Is this supposed to be a mirror thread?
Surprised you would start this thread after heckling everyone else when they voiced their complaints.
I don’t have a problem with less chrons in voyages.
Stop complaining. Why are people always complaining.
I don’t mind whatever it is you don’t like.
DB is a business why do you want them to make less money.
Etc.
I obviously don’t feel this way. You are free to do all these things.
So when YOU have a serious problem. I see how it works. Next time you want “pass on making complaints” why don’t you also “pass” on heckling the threads.