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  • PallidynePallidyne ✭✭✭✭✭
    Captain Q wrote: »
    Methinks someone missed a zero on the 1500 Honour Point Threshold Reward? 15,000 HP sounds more appropriate and more reasonable for reaching 600,000 VP.

    That would be nice... but I suspect it isn't a typo.
  • Well, it is a Gene Roddenberry show too...
  • I never watched EFC, but from that photo, it does indeed look quite like him.
    Level 99. Latest Immortal (957): Chancellor Gowron - October 2023.
  • GhostStalkerGhostStalker ✭✭✭✭✭
    LeVar Burton is cool as hell, and by the transitive property, every character based on him is cool as hell. Wesley Snipes ain't got nothin on Reading Rainbow.
  • Lady GaghgaghLady Gaghgagh ✭✭✭✭✭
    I decided the Troi could be worth it because I am a MED ho. I was prepping to wince through pulling countless Geordis and Janeways, but I lucked out and pulled Troi on the first pack and of course took the double up offer. I'll fuse her through honour, seems like takes me 2-3 weeks to get enough for a legendary citation now, so that's not too bad.
    Admiral of the Haus of GaghGagh, Starbase level 94, we are not accepting members at this time.
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    Amenities include wifi, fully-functioning holodecks, a full-service bar, 3 party decks, a Trill spa, and a business centre.
    Fun fact: The ships are propelled by bouncy castle technology.
  • I decided the Troi could be worth it because I am a MED ho. I was prepping to wince through pulling countless Geordis and Janeways, but I lucked out and pulled Troi on the first pack and of course took the double up offer. I'll fuse her through honour, seems like takes me 2-3 weeks to get enough for a legendary citation now, so that's not too bad.

    Congratulations, sometimes the RNG does work in your favor :) She does look pretty useful for voyages, especially since MED is usually the weakest cathegory for many people, including myself - and now we got Mirror Crusher and Mirror Troi - really improved things :)
  • Lady GaghgaghLady Gaghgagh ✭✭✭✭✭
    I decided the Troi could be worth it because I am a MED ho. I was prepping to wince through pulling countless Geordis and Janeways, but I lucked out and pulled Troi on the first pack and of course took the double up offer. I'll fuse her through honour, seems like takes me 2-3 weeks to get enough for a legendary citation now, so that's not too bad.

    Congratulations, sometimes the RNG does work in your favor :) She does look pretty useful for voyages, especially since MED is usually the weakest cathegory for many people, including myself - and now we got Mirror Crusher and Mirror Troi - really improved things :)

    I know right? I love Crusher, she's one of my fave characters in the series, top 10 at least. So now I finally have a 5-star Crusher, I've never been able to get Age of Sail, but Mirror Bev's art is honestly very nice! Troi looks a bit haggard to me, but good nonetheless. I'm just glad we finally got two strong MED characters in an event for once.
    Admiral of the Haus of GaghGagh, Starbase level 94, we are not accepting members at this time.
    Captain of the voyage vessels: Queen of Bashir, Landsknecht, and Sunspear, the first luxury starship cruiseliners.
    Amenities include wifi, fully-functioning holodecks, a full-service bar, 3 party decks, a Trill spa, and a business centre.
    Fun fact: The ships are propelled by bouncy castle technology.
  • Data1001Data1001 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well on the topic of who mirror Geordie reminds then of...rch5pc4fxyfe.jpeg

    Auger, From "Earth Final Conflict"


    Perfect! Which makes me now really want to get some EFC characters in the game. At the very least, Da'an. B)

    aikbgl88jda4.jpg


    Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
    ~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
  • Everyone here needs to chill about the art. Style is style and while one may not like one style over another it doesn't make it less of a piece of art. For instance....

    Madame_X_%28Madame_Pierre_Gautreau%29%2C_John_Singer_Sargent%2C_1884_%28unfree_frame_crop%29.jpg

    vs...

    klimt_adelebb_m.jpg

    or for that matter this....

    4da0580922d79be485ee1e7e6b83c47a.jpg


    All famous art all by masters all vary different in style. So where some see bury lines compared to other pieces you are not seeing good vs bad you are seeing one artist vision of the subject vs another.

    Art is subjective.

    For the record in order these works are:

    Madame X by John Singer Sargent

    Adele Bloch-Bauer by Gustav Klimt

    Portrait of Dora Maar by Pablo Picasso

    Sincerely,

    Lilac Erosion

    7TH Tactical Wing

    Maybe the irony is that we play because we’re Star Trek fans, those hopeful idealists that like to think things will get better when we raise valid concerns about fairness and balance, etc and we forget that DB’s greed openly mocks the values espoused by the franchise they have a license
    -Lord Wizzlestix IT
  • Data1001 wrote: »
    Props where props are due! I actually love the artwork for all three! Well Done DB!

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    Have to strongly disagree. I find the artwork for all three wholly uninspiring (and uninspired).

    The faces are too soft, the detail far too lacking, and I don't think they look much like the actors, either. Even compared to Mirror Picard (who is still way more low-detail than he should be/could be), you can see a big difference. Troi looks like someone took a blur brush and just went over her whole face several times. And I don't know who that Geordi is supposed to look like, but it sure isn't LeVar Burton.

    I mean, it's not the utter epic fail that Mirror Data was, in that they actually got facial (and I assume, bodily) proportions correct this time, so after I look at stats I may do an event pack or two, but I've decided I won't be going all-in on this one — which would have entailed buying more chronitons, buying more shuttle boosts, probably buying a Troi-specific offer — and which I would have done had the artwork been good.

    I'd wager they were trying to make her look more dark, evil and scary. She's an inquisitor, not a likable counselor :) ...

    Then maybe they shouldn't have put such clashing yellow "lighting" outline over her black/red magic lady theme. It is so aggressive it's physically preventing my finger from pressing the 650 dil button. ^.^

    At least it matches Geordi. Or more like Geordi's uniform happens to match it.
  • Lady GaghgaghLady Gaghgagh ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd wager they were trying to make her look more dark, evil and scary. She's an inquisitor, not a likable counselor :) ...

    I think you're right but to me they just made her look more tired, not more intimidating :p

    Admiral of the Haus of GaghGagh, Starbase level 94, we are not accepting members at this time.
    Captain of the voyage vessels: Queen of Bashir, Landsknecht, and Sunspear, the first luxury starship cruiseliners.
    Amenities include wifi, fully-functioning holodecks, a full-service bar, 3 party decks, a Trill spa, and a business centre.
    Fun fact: The ships are propelled by bouncy castle technology.
  • Data1001 wrote: »
    Props where props are due! I actually love the artwork for all three! Well Done DB!

    96ms1fw9m6bs.png

    Have to strongly disagree. I find the artwork for all three wholly uninspiring (and uninspired).

    The faces are too soft, the detail far too lacking, and I don't think they look much like the actors, either. Even compared to Mirror Picard (who is still way more low-detail than he should be/could be), you can see a big difference. Troi looks like someone took a blur brush and just went over her whole face several times. And I don't know who that Geordi is supposed to look like, but it sure isn't LeVar Burton.

    I mean, it's not the utter epic fail that Mirror Data was, in that they actually got facial (and I assume, bodily) proportions correct this time, so after I look at stats I may do an event pack or two, but I've decided I won't be going all-in on this one — which would have entailed buying more chronitons, buying more shuttle boosts, probably buying a Troi-specific offer — and which I would have done had the artwork been good.

    I'd wager they were trying to make her look more dark, evil and scary. She's an inquisitor, not a likable counselor :) ...

    Then maybe they shouldn't have put such clashing yellow "lighting" outline over her black/red magic lady theme. It is so aggressive it's physically preventing my finger from pressing the 650 dil button. ^.^

    At least it matches Geordi. Or more like Geordi's uniform happens to match it.

    Now that is something I would have gone with myself, because let's face it, that's everything the mirror universe slaps us on the face with in all of the Star Trek series that had Mirror episodes :) Even very likeable characters like the good old TOS Uhura were forced to go evil and actually look really freaking intimidating - that was what I was going for here with the Troi analysis. IMO, it does work, she does look dark and intimidating, that... Picard's Mindwitch, or whatever was it :)
  • Everyone here needs to chill about the art. Style is style and while one may not like one style over another it doesn't make it less of a piece of art. For instance....

    All famous art all by masters all vary different in style. So where some see bury lines compared to other pieces you are not seeing good vs bad you are seeing one artist vision of the subject vs another.

    Art is subjective.

    For the record in order these works are:

    Madame X by John Singer Sargent

    Adele Bloch-Bauer by Gustav Klimt

    Portrait of Dora Maar by Pablo Picasso

    I mean I respect your faithfulness to art, but comparing classic pieces to digital video game renders is a big stretch in my book. Klimt (who is my personal fave), Sargent, and Picasso weren't being paid to produce their works for a company, most of their works were done from their own inspiration or desire to engage in their hobby. And you know very well if they were getting commissioned, if the patron did not like the work, they would not pay them. Same kinda goes for here, again art made as part of a product for a company works differently than art made for one's own personal leisure.

    While I agree art is subjective, everyone who is a patron of this product has every right to complain if they feel the art in the offered product is subpar.

    You are correct that this art was created with a different "patron" in mind I know for a fact that Sargent and Klimt both did commissioned works. And yes we have a right to voice our objection but we are not the "patrons" in this case. DB commissioned the work. DB paid for it. They are the arbiters of said works market value. Players at best are a 3rd or 4th hand consumer and yes we can voice our options about it looking at these items and calling them crayon smudges or the like is not criticism. Say what you don't like, point out what doesn't work for you, but just being mean for that sake of being mean is disrespectful to the art.

    Maybe these would be better examples:

    Wolverine

    by Barry Windsor-Smith

    U5dtpw9ZZmbpGE9VASNa3huKtXSJHQy_1680x8400

    by Jim Lee

    rawImage.jpg

    by Bill Sienkiewicz

    122ad5cc2ba834ac22b22b6a78288a61--wolverine-comics-marvel-comics.jpg
    Sincerely,

    Lilac Erosion

    7TH Tactical Wing

    Maybe the irony is that we play because we’re Star Trek fans, those hopeful idealists that like to think things will get better when we raise valid concerns about fairness and balance, etc and we forget that DB’s greed openly mocks the values espoused by the franchise they have a license
    -Lord Wizzlestix IT
  • Is the faction part first?
  • I'd wager they were trying to make her look more dark, evil and scary. She's an inquisitor, not a likable counselor :) ...

    I think you're right but to me they just made her look more tired, not more intimidating :p

    I call her my new Streetwalker Troi! Along with Pimp-Daddy Geordi and Enforcer Janeway, they're gonna rule the Mirror Universe, one John at a time...

    The artwork is nevertheless very good!
    In the immortal words of Spock: "Live long and prosper"
  • Data1001 wrote: »
    Well on the topic of who mirror Geordie reminds then of...rch5pc4fxyfe.jpeg

    Auger, From "Earth Final Conflict"


    Perfect! Which makes me now really want to get some EFC characters in the game. At the very least, Da'an. B)

    aikbgl88jda4.jpg

    Session 1 main cast.
    (They ruined the show after that)

    Side note..
    Always wanted a Skrill after that.
    So dam cool
  • DavideBooksDavideBooks ✭✭✭✭✭
    Captain Q wrote: »
    I'd wager they were trying to make her look more dark, evil and scary. She's an inquisitor, not a likable counselor :) ...

    I think you're right but to me they just made her look more tired, not more intimidating :p

    I call her my new Streetwalker Troi! Along with Pimp-Daddy Geordi and Enforcer Janeway, they're gonna rule the Mirror Universe, one John at a time...

    The artwork is nevertheless very good!

    I was going to go with Gun Show Geordi, like Gun Show Picard, buy i like your names better.
  • Everyone here needs to chill about the art. Style is style and while one may not like one style over another it doesn't make it less of a piece of art. For instance....

    Madame_X_%28Madame_Pierre_Gautreau%29%2C_John_Singer_Sargent%2C_1884_%28unfree_frame_crop%29.jpg

    vs...

    klimt_adelebb_m.jpg

    or for that matter this....

    4da0580922d79be485ee1e7e6b83c47a.jpg


    All famous art all by masters all vary different in style. So where some see bury lines compared to other pieces you are not seeing good vs bad you are seeing one artist vision of the subject vs another.

    Art is subjective.

    For the record in order these works are:

    Madame X by John Singer Sargent

    Adele Bloch-Bauer by Gustav Klimt

    Portrait of Dora Maar by Pablo Picasso

    I’d say some of the recent ‘artwork’ for STT is more akin to this than Klimt, Picasso etc:

    iq6wjsh8342g.jpeg

    But hey, that’s just my subjective view.
  • Lady GaghgaghLady Gaghgagh ✭✭✭✭✭
    Everyone here needs to chill about the art. Style is style and while one may not like one style over another it doesn't make it less of a piece of art. For instance....

    Madame_X_%28Madame_Pierre_Gautreau%29%2C_John_Singer_Sargent%2C_1884_%28unfree_frame_crop%29.jpg

    vs...

    klimt_adelebb_m.jpg

    or for that matter this....

    4da0580922d79be485ee1e7e6b83c47a.jpg


    All famous art all by masters all vary different in style. So where some see bury lines compared to other pieces you are not seeing good vs bad you are seeing one artist vision of the subject vs another.

    Art is subjective.

    For the record in order these works are:

    Madame X by John Singer Sargent

    Adele Bloch-Bauer by Gustav Klimt

    Portrait of Dora Maar by Pablo Picasso

    I’d say some of the recent ‘artwork’ for STT is more akin to this than Klimt, Picasso etc:

    iq6wjsh8342g.jpeg

    But hey, that’s just my subjective view.

    Why you gotta bring out "restored" fresco Jesus, I am dying :lol:
    Admiral of the Haus of GaghGagh, Starbase level 94, we are not accepting members at this time.
    Captain of the voyage vessels: Queen of Bashir, Landsknecht, and Sunspear, the first luxury starship cruiseliners.
    Amenities include wifi, fully-functioning holodecks, a full-service bar, 3 party decks, a Trill spa, and a business centre.
    Fun fact: The ships are propelled by bouncy castle technology.
  • Tapping awesome just wasn't enough for that
  • PallidynePallidyne ✭✭✭✭✭
    Everyone here needs to chill about the art. Style is style and while one may not like one style over another it doesn't make it less of a piece of art. For instance....

    All famous art all by masters all vary different in style. So where some see bury lines compared to other pieces you are not seeing good vs bad you are seeing one artist vision of the subject vs another.

    Art is subjective.

    For the record in order these works are:

    Madame X by John Singer Sargent

    Adele Bloch-Bauer by Gustav Klimt

    Portrait of Dora Maar by Pablo Picasso

    I mean I respect your faithfulness to art, but comparing classic pieces to digital video game renders is a big stretch in my book. Klimt (who is my personal fave), Sargent, and Picasso weren't being paid to produce their works for a company, most of their works were done from their own inspiration or desire to engage in their hobby. And you know very well if they were getting commissioned, if the patron did not like the work, they would not pay them. Same kinda goes for here, again art made as part of a product for a company works differently than art made for one's own personal leisure.

    While I agree art is subjective, everyone who is a patron of this product has every right to complain if they feel the art in the offered product is subpar.

    You are correct that this art was created with a different "patron" in mind I know for a fact that Sargent and Klimt both did commissioned works. And yes we have a right to voice our objection but we are not the "patrons" in this case. DB commissioned the work. DB paid for it. They are the arbiters of said works market value. Players at best are a 3rd or 4th hand consumer and yes we can voice our options about it looking at these items and calling them crayon smudges or the like is not criticism. Say what you don't like, point out what doesn't work for you, but just being mean for that sake of being mean is disrespectful to the art.

    Maybe these would be better examples:

    Wolverine

    by Barry Windsor-Smith

    U5dtpw9ZZmbpGE9VASNa3huKtXSJHQy_1680x8400

    by Jim Lee

    rawImage.jpg

    by Bill Sienkiewicz

    122ad5cc2ba834ac22b22b6a78288a61--wolverine-comics-marvel-comics.jpg

    And the artwork on that last cover is another reason I've not bought a comic with Logan on it in a while (well that and the fact the character is dead now)
  • Pallidyne wrote: »
    Everyone here needs to chill about the art. Style is style and while one may not like one style over another it doesn't make it less of a piece of art. For instance....

    All famous art all by masters all vary different in style. So where some see bury lines compared to other pieces you are not seeing good vs bad you are seeing one artist vision of the subject vs another.

    Art is subjective.

    For the record in order these works are:

    Madame X by John Singer Sargent

    Adele Bloch-Bauer by Gustav Klimt

    Portrait of Dora Maar by Pablo Picasso

    I mean I respect your faithfulness to art, but comparing classic pieces to digital video game renders is a big stretch in my book. Klimt (who is my personal fave), Sargent, and Picasso weren't being paid to produce their works for a company, most of their works were done from their own inspiration or desire to engage in their hobby. And you know very well if they were getting commissioned, if the patron did not like the work, they would not pay them. Same kinda goes for here, again art made as part of a product for a company works differently than art made for one's own personal leisure.

    While I agree art is subjective, everyone who is a patron of this product has every right to complain if they feel the art in the offered product is subpar.

    You are correct that this art was created with a different "patron" in mind I know for a fact that Sargent and Klimt both did commissioned works. And yes we have a right to voice our objection but we are not the "patrons" in this case. DB commissioned the work. DB paid for it. They are the arbiters of said works market value. Players at best are a 3rd or 4th hand consumer and yes we can voice our options about it looking at these items and calling them crayon smudges or the like is not criticism. Say what you don't like, point out what doesn't work for you, but just being mean for that sake of being mean is disrespectful to the art.

    Maybe these would be better examples:

    Wolverine

    by Barry Windsor-Smith

    U5dtpw9ZZmbpGE9VASNa3huKtXSJHQy_1680x8400

    by Jim Lee

    rawImage.jpg

    by Bill Sienkiewicz

    122ad5cc2ba834ac22b22b6a78288a61--wolverine-comics-marvel-comics.jpg

    And the artwork on that last cover is another reason I've not bought a comic with Logan on it in a while (well that and the fact the character is dead now)

    Not so much.

    nluitbljrlkl.jpg
  • PallidynePallidyne ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pallidyne wrote: »
    Everyone here needs to chill about the art. Style is style and while one may not like one style over another it doesn't make it less of a piece of art. For instance....

    All famous art all by masters all vary different in style. So where some see bury lines compared to other pieces you are not seeing good vs bad you are seeing one artist vision of the subject vs another.

    Art is subjective.

    For the record in order these works are:

    Madame X by John Singer Sargent

    Adele Bloch-Bauer by Gustav Klimt

    Portrait of Dora Maar by Pablo Picasso

    I mean I respect your faithfulness to art, but comparing classic pieces to digital video game renders is a big stretch in my book. Klimt (who is my personal fave), Sargent, and Picasso weren't being paid to produce their works for a company, most of their works were done from their own inspiration or desire to engage in their hobby. And you know very well if they were getting commissioned, if the patron did not like the work, they would not pay them. Same kinda goes for here, again art made as part of a product for a company works differently than art made for one's own personal leisure.

    While I agree art is subjective, everyone who is a patron of this product has every right to complain if they feel the art in the offered product is subpar.

    You are correct that this art was created with a different "patron" in mind I know for a fact that Sargent and Klimt both did commissioned works. And yes we have a right to voice our objection but we are not the "patrons" in this case. DB commissioned the work. DB paid for it. They are the arbiters of said works market value. Players at best are a 3rd or 4th hand consumer and yes we can voice our options about it looking at these items and calling them crayon smudges or the like is not criticism. Say what you don't like, point out what doesn't work for you, but just being mean for that sake of being mean is disrespectful to the art.

    Maybe these would be better examples:

    Wolverine

    by Barry Windsor-Smith

    U5dtpw9ZZmbpGE9VASNa3huKtXSJHQy_1680x8400

    by Jim Lee

    rawImage.jpg

    by Bill Sienkiewicz

    122ad5cc2ba834ac22b22b6a78288a61--wolverine-comics-marvel-comics.jpg

    And the artwork on that last cover is another reason I've not bought a comic with Logan on it in a while (well that and the fact the character is dead now)

    Not so much.

    nluitbljrlkl.jpg

    Yeah I guess noone stays dead especially after a good whole universe reboot.
  • PallidynePallidyne ✭✭✭✭✭
    RE: Art is subjective

    While that is true in general, I don't find that statement to be a compelling counter-argument in this context of people providing feedback on the declining quality and changing style of the crew art.

    I think that the space art (nebula and whatnot), planets, ships, and UI present a cohesive design aesthetic and consistent level of quality which the crew art should compliment not contradict. As it is, the crew art has seemed to follow a trend away from the photorealism which is more coherent with the rest of the art in the game. See: Art feedback.
    v81gw8xb9g2x.png

    As a point of reference, if the art for the ships had as much variation in consistency, quality, authenticity and style as the crew art does, would that be acceptable? While a high quality abstract, impressionist, or cubist rendering of one of the ships might be interesting artistically, would it fit well into the game?

    I'm having a very very psychidelic experience thinking of a Warhol Monroe Style Janeway on a Borg Cube as a flyable ship.

    Actually makes me want to hurl.
  • PallidynePallidyne ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2017
    Everyone here needs to chill about the art. Style is style and while one may not like one style over another it doesn't make it less of a piece of art. For instance....

    Madame_X_%28Madame_Pierre_Gautreau%29%2C_John_Singer_Sargent%2C_1884_%28unfree_frame_crop%29.jpg

    vs...

    klimt_adelebb_m.jpg

    or for that matter this....

    4da0580922d79be485ee1e7e6b83c47a.jpg


    All famous art all by masters all vary different in style. So where some see bury lines compared to other pieces you are not seeing good vs bad you are seeing one artist vision of the subject vs another.

    Art is subjective.

    For the record in order these works are:

    Madame X by John Singer Sargent

    Adele Bloch-Bauer by Gustav Klimt

    Portrait of Dora Maar by Pablo Picasso

    Whereas you would have a point if DB was the complete patron and collector and not having the art created for others to consume, I think it loses some merit when you devalue the third or fourth endpoint of the end user/consumer here.

    The art is being created for US to consume here. It is to get us to give up time and/or money to obtain in our gallery view. That makes us the consumer in a supply/demand configuration and thus not only enabled and empowered to express our thoughts, feedback and objections, but obligated to if it contributes or discourages our economic participation in this business.

    Else, DB takes a finance hit when the get it wrong and does not know why, or takes a financial bump and simply assumes we don't like Galaxies, or Voyager or some other factor other than when the art is frankly outside of the expected product provided to date.

    This idea that art is some magical thing to be respected no matter what as long as it has the label art is a misconception that makes things like Klingon MacBeth being read over footage of the International Space Station or paintings by a Terrier in San Diego things that should be more cautionary tales rather than federally funded.

    Also when an artist goes off on their own and does not respect source material, yet demand patronage from folks who are expected material that is true to said source material is one who does not deserve funding. If they are upfront about it cool. DB is not in that category.

    Timelines is not high art. Its the Sketch artist at the Con trying to sell you something you like rather than their vision.
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