Obvious new character, Disco SPOILER!
Saru
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You wanted a new combo character like Tuvix, Discovery gives us Toq! Ash Tyler and Voq are one. Tyler on planet with Batleth for the art. Make it so DB. Thanks.
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Squadron Leader - [TFA] Bateson’s Bulldogs
They could make 0110
Could even take it to the next level doing 00 and 11 as well, they could make 0011 and the quartet could make a legendary
In addition to Terran Emperor Georgiou mentioned above, we've now met mirror versions of Tilly (come on Captain Killy!), Saru, Stamets, Voq, Sarek, and of course Burnham. Not to mention Connor and Detmer, who don't yet exist as non-mirror characters in the game.
Plus...
~· Fly with the Subspace Eddies! ·~
Hey running amok is a relative term... I’m sure captain Killy is busy blowing up Klingon “rebels” meaning when USS DISCO comes back to the prime universe, the war will be over with a Terran Empire banner flying over the Great Hall in Q’onos... 😝
Except the Prime Universe Klingons are far more powerful than anything Killy has ever faced in her lifetime.
mirror goatee sarek
mirror mushroom vision stamets
mirror english speaking voq (the problem with discovery giving the klingons full body alopecia is that there's not much you can do to make their mirror versions.)
mirror nameless saru
i mean almost all of the canon mirror characters from the other series are in the game except tuvok. also, i hope we eventually get to learn more about what happened to the ENT era mirror universe. how long did hoshi's reign last anyways?
I was wondering that too. If they would tie in the abrupt end of the mirror Enterprise episodes to finally give that some closure.
Interesting enough, we can only speculate on whether or not she actually pulled it off. Who's to say the Empire didn't succeed in overwhelming the Defiant (albeit at a very heavy cost) or that Hoshi was able to maintain any semblance of control the moment she stepped off the ship. I like to think she did in fact take over, but it wasn't necessarily a given.
Squadron Leader - [TFA] Bateson’s Bulldogs
I hope you mean their ships because we just saw...
Actually if the Defiant is the Constitution Class that went back in time and to the mirror that we saw in Enterprise during their mirror episodes... Empress Hoshi (heck maybe Georgiou is her great granddaughter)...
Wouldn’t you expect they would have reversed engineered the crap out of it over the last 100 years and have better tech than the prime universe? Yeah but Mirror Universe... suspend disbelief, watch evil goatee characters and have fun..
I was thinking that T’Pol May have succeeded in stopping Hoshi but yeah, it’s speculatoon. Nothing wrong with discussing a topic
T’Pol may have knifed Hoshi but seeing the Defiant blast the bejesus out of NX ships, Vulcan ships, etc. it’s hard to see how they would have beat it at a standup fight... it would have looked like the Federation fleet versus the Borg Cube at the battle of Wolf 5... 5 something...
EDIT: Wolf 359... so 3 something...
Was Sato actually able to seize power?
Could she consolidate and hold onto it if she did?
What became of the Defiant?
How did Georgiou become Emperor? Or Tilly become captain of the Discovery?
Is Lorca really his Terran counterpart, sent to infiltrate the Federation, using the destruction of the Buran as his entry point?
If Lorca is a Terran infiltrator, are there others?
What is the I.S.S. Discovery doing in the Prime Universe?
What does Wilson Cruz mean about trusting that Culber's story isn't over?
Ultimately, I think the most obvious question is, why was the spore drive technology seemingly abandoned by time of TOS and thereafter?
I'm not bothering to speculate about any of these points, but a big part of the fun is waiting to find out what the answers are!
I guess I'm extrapolating that without Ripper's DNA, the main universe Starfleet in DSC will have no way to replicate what Discovery was able to do with the spore drive, without potentially running into the same disaster that killed Stamet's friend and former colleague on the other ship.
And maybe the Discovery crew never returns to their original universe, or if they do, Stamets proves unable to restart the spore drive program (if he somehow survives, of course, which it's assumed he will, in some form or manner).
There's also the possibily, however slight, that the "original" universe the Discovery crew started in was not the same universe (or timeline) as the one we know from TOS, TNG, and so forth.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
What's the basis for that conclusion? Engagement with the Klingon Empire will be limited to conflicts, whereas living day in and day out with the Terran Empire is something else entirely. Having to survive at all in that brutal climate, let alone rising to a position of power, requires a great deal of resilience and resolve that should not be underestimated.
We also don't know much of anything about the technology of the resistance forces, except that Voq's base had a cloaking device. That base was in shambles, but it would be foolish to think that's the state of the entire movement. We've only seen that one Vulcan ship that was being chased when the Discovery first arrived in the Mirror Universe.
I'm not saying that the I.S.S. Discovery is out there running roughshod over the Klingon Empire; I agree that's unlikely. For that matter, I would imagine the Federation is as likely a target as the Klingons. The characterization of Killy as being a big fish in a little pond strikes me as unfounded.
But it’s fun to do so... the problem is even if the show runners do manage to answer most of these questions, it is unlikely that they will answer all... I doubt that they will go back and fill in all the gaps between Hoshi and Georgiou (I still say she’s her great grandmother and it has been a giant Hoshi dynasty but we may never know... or somebody may write a book 10 years from now to fill it in).
But it’s Star Trek and it’s mirror which means there are going to be major plot holes and inconsistencies no matter what they do. I mean the hologram of the Defiant is different than the original (it has a bent pylon), is that just artistic license or a hint it’s not the same parallel universe out of an infinite number. Andorians, Vulcans and even the Tellarites (more or less) look the same so WTF with the Klingons?
Heck the idea of a resistance itself is kind of silly unless there was an independent power with technology and resources bankrolling them. You can’t build starships in your backyard and the show makes it sound like the Terrans control everything including the Klingon Empire whereas an independent Klingon Empire supplying ships and arms to the rebels would have been more realistic (maybe it’s the romulans)...
You could go nuts trying to put all the round pegs into the square holes... better to just speculate and have fun with it and just accept that there’s going to be a lot of inconsistencies.
It would be interesting, except that Linda Park is of Korean descent, and Michelle Yeoh is of Chinese-Malaysian descent. But I guess the Emperor could have had a male Korean concubine or something. (Do they call them concubines when they are men?)
Edit: Oops, got my timelines flip-flopped, so it would have to be Empress Sato who had a Chinese concubine.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
Yeah since when does Hollywood care about distinctions... but technically Hoshi is probably Japanese (as oppose to the actress) and Georgiou... WTF... it would have been more obvious if they stuck with the original name (Han Bo) which is still on many of the DSC internet searches given the ships name is Shenzhou. Probably best to just guess generic East Asian which is the default in most TV anyways...
It’s not likely a concubine which is a legal mistress for rich douches and emperors... full on formal wife (husband in this case) would do (although multiple wives allowed). Michele Yeoh is Malay only by nationality... ethnically pretty much Chinese.
This could explain why Starfleet gave up on the spore drive, but as others have noted, it doesn't account for why some of the other groups not as reluctant to enslave and sacrifice people (looking at you, Cardassians) wouldn't have kept at it until they figured it out.
Personally, I'd like to see Disco turn out to be some kind of Quantum Leap-esque anthology, with each arc set in a different timeline. It's also worth noting that there's surely more than one timeline with a Terran Empire, while we're at it.
There are some simple dots, and I'm not putting forth any attempt to connect them, but thought I'd mention them for anyone wondering how this might play out.
Per Memory Alpha, "In a Mirror Darkly, Part II" takes place in 2155 and Philippa Georgiou was born 47 years later in 2202. That would be enough time, if everyone had children young, for Georgiou to be Hoshi's great granddaughter, but I think it's more probable she would only be a granddaughter. We don't know anything further about Mirror Hoshi, but we do know a few things about Prime Hoshi's family life, some of which may have also been true of her counterpart:
Mirror Hoshi may well have taken Mirror Takashi Kimura as her husband, or at least as her consort/mate. It's unlikely she and her family perished at Mirror Tarsus IV, unless she had been deposed by a sibling or someone else who could have therefore kept alive the family dynasty without it being headed by Hoshi.
That aforementioned bio also shows that Prime Hoshi was the middle of three children. There's no further elaboration anywhere on Memory Alpha, and I don't recall any other reference in any episode about her family. Ergo, Georgiou could be a grandniece. She could also fit into the family tree through marriage or adoption.
Woah... that’s a lot of research and lore... I was going off the seat of my pants with 100 years after Enterprise and they’re both Asian...
But I’m sticking with my off the cuff theory... although I admit granddaughter or grandniece sounds better...
Discovery is set in 2256, so 101 years after "In a Mirror, Darkly" (2155), but you forgot to account for Georgiou having been born between the two shows. She was 54 at the time of "The Vulcan Hello".
Got it in one.
Yeah but Sato was ready to go... so just under 50 years for two generations? Very possible historically but given current modern trends, more likely she holds off 10 years to consolidate power and find some “power marriage”, her kids hold off to 37, then add Georgiou’s 54 and grand-xxx is more likely so I agree. I was kind of like 100/30 is about three generations...
In the mirror universe, the Sato Dynasty was the ruling family of the Terran Empire from 2155 to 2277.
The line originated with Empress Sato I who took power in January 2155. It included Empress Sato II and Sato III, the last of the Sato Dynasty, who was overthrown by Grand Admiral Spock in 2277. (ENT - Mirror Universe novel: Age of the Empress; TOS - Mirror Universe novel: The Sorrows of Empire)
It is unclear whether the binary clone created from the DNA of Sato I and Shran was a part of this royal line, or if another of Sato's male consorts was the patriarch of the dynasty.
It is also unclear whether or not there were other Emperors and Empresses in the Sato Dynasty besides the three named. Given the 122-year duration of the family's rule, however, this would seem more likely than not.
So is this some new PC gender politics term or...
That is a great summary of the books, but let's be clear - this is from the books and those are strictly apocryphal here. There is a possible loophole where Sato III is the name Emperor Georgiou takes on when she ascends the throne (or there is some other workaround where Emporer Georgious slips in somewhere between Sato I and Spock), but the shows tend to ignore the books.
btw, even tho Georgiou is not referred to by name in the episode, Lorca does refer to Emperor Georgiou in the preview trailer, so DSC probably doesn't use the mentioned loophole to reconcile with the books.