Voyages Nerfed
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DB please return voyages to the previous 4* drop rate. The current drop rate is too stingy. It also definitely has unbalanced voyages for newer players that were making the 4-6 hour marks.
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Yesterday I had a Voyage finish that went over 8 hours and got zero 4* crew ... my next Voyage did not make it to 7 hours, and I still got two 4* crew from it ...
... RNG
Said it before, I'll say it again. I never consistently got 1-2 4s a day with two 6-8 hour voyages a day even from inception.
Did you used to extend voyages prior to the chron nerf?
I can't say for sure, DB's RNG is trash, and post nerf is even worse for streaks, but voyages feel like they've had their 4*s nerfed again. I've seen one in the last week, and one the week before, and neither were useful to me.
Every day.
https://forum.disruptorbeam.com/stt/discussion/4622/i-miss-the-old-voyages#latest
Maybe we can just get a preemptive lock here too?
Still I now believe that DB has nerfed Voyages because I've only gotten two 4*'s since Monday*.
*-I got 4x 4*'s on Sunday, two of which I needed**. Its always better to trim stats to prove your point right?
**-Undercover O'Brien is a dirty bastard and he ate all my Encoded Communiques.
Yeah, they only thing DB has mastered, preemptive locks.
You would think. But I only extended pre-nerf when I had at least 2 4* waiting to be collected. No, with the same method of play, 1*s were increased, and trainers were so ridiculously weighted that everything else was decreased.
It's just one more diminished return that diminishes the amount of dil and money we're willing to spend.
And with the chron nerf, it's more economic not to spend dil and recall and resend a voyage more frequently.
I keep hearing the excuse that it's due to a *streaky* RNG. I call "foul". A *streaky* RNG can be blamed gor some things but not everything and this is one of those things. When is the several week long (at least) "streak" going to end for the vast majority of players that have noticed it?
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1. Those that believe voyages have been nerfed for months and the returns are continually diminishing. Those people state the facts of what they have observed and are usually flagged as spam
2. Those that adamantly insist that voyages are a treasure-trove of 4* cards and replicator rations. Those same people insist the people in group 1 have simply suffered months of RNG bad luck and then flag their post as spam.
DB believes they can squeeze more dimes and nickels out of people by making them extend their voyages for higher gains. What has happened in reality is people simply accept the diminished returns at the 6-8 hour mark and recall the voyage before they have to spend any dilithium. From what I and others in group 1 have observed is that even at the 10 and 12 hour marks the same low returns hold true with the occasional 4* maybe every 10 days or so. So shan and pebble I know you skim these forums. This is what I propose to you as a compromise because these threads keep coming up which mean they are obviously a problem for players (your revenue stream). Reinstate the bountiful returns at the 10 hour mark which will actually give people incentive to extend their voyage. No seasoned player will extend to reach the 10 hour mark if at their dilemma they receive a 2* or 3* it simply isn't worth it.
No, if you want a guaranteed 4*, spend 650 Dilithium on a 10x pack.
If you want to spend 650 on voyages, and you get one 4*, you win. Because you have gotten a 4* AND have chron, credits, replicator rations, etc...
If you are a monthly member, you get 100 Dilithium a day ( 700 a week ). Choose which one you feel serves you better.
You missed a camp: those that would like to see some semblance evidence before burning the place down. No one has ever offered an analysis that 4* drops have decreased. Only one (small) analysis that showed they were the same.
Until someone has evidence that they have decreased beyond your feelings and rose colored glasses, I will continue to be skeptical.
Please show me the stats of 'vast majority'.
Don't get me wrong, I'm pissed about the Chron nerf, but I've never seen this bounty that others are claiming was there all the time pre-nerf. And I'm not alone either.
This has been my experience exactly. The first nerf happened, and you could consistently still get 4*s on most 7+ hour voyages then I think it was after the last update it’s about 1 a week or a couple if you’re lucky. It was a consistently good return before, and now it’s a consistently bad return. The evidence is that why are all the sudden so many people hitting the forums about this at once?! And why have my fleetmates also shared this experience. All I can say to the doubters is that maybe you’re RNG is so lucky 🍀 it has delayed the effect for you. Be thankful because a dryspell is on it’s way. 🖖
I think that DB is acually really hurting their own pockets here. A lot of people forget to recall their voyage and run out of antimatter. They are far more likely to spend money on dilithium to restore it if there is already a 4* that has dropped. That was my philosophy. Now I never seem to get them so no more spending from me. I guess I should be happy about that? I guess my point is if they increase the return for ten hour voyages they’ll be missing a large group of people going 6-8 hours that aren’t going to refill unless they’ve seen some love in the 4* department.
I can provide the following info, though. Ever since I cashed in the 50k Honor for the fifth star for Prisoner Katrina Cornwell, I started keeping a list of all the crew I dismissed. The point was that a fleet mate reminded me of that list I posted about the ones I'd 86'd for the Honor for the Borg Queen on the old forum. Anyway, I hit that 50k mark on 19 March. When I did, I started a new tab.
In that span, I've had a whopping four 4* and fifteen 3* crew drop from voyages. That's with a 6:00 voyage run daily, with more of them running closer to 7:00, and two of them breaking the 8:00 mark. Sometimes, because of my wonky sleep habit, I've had two 6:00 voyages straddle midnight, so effectively two voyages on some of those days.
Again, though, I cannot place this in an empirical context. I could work out how many 4*'s dropped for me in the time it took to get Surak's 5th star, which would go back to the beginning of February, but that's not really far enough back that I suspect it would be meaningful.
Edit to add: The fifteenth 3* to drop for me is in my currently active voyage. Here's where that voyage is right now.
But I didn't leap to the conclusion that Voyages had been nerfed, or start a forum topic with a misleading title like "Voyages Nerfed". If I had expected people to be so interested in my opinion on this that I should begin a discussion, it would have certainly been phrased appropriately - perhaps "Having Bad Voyages for a Couple of Weeks - Have They Been Nerfed Further?" or something similar - because, as RikerWasNumber1 has just reminded us, my reaction is simply based on unqualified observation. I haven't taken the time to record data or request data from others (and if I did, I'd have to be careful to make sure I was taking results correctly, rather than asking leading questions like 'has anyone else had no 4*s drop this week?!').
But this week I've had two Professor Scotts, a Doc Crusher, a Dominion Dukat, a Mirral Torres, a Temporal Agent Seven and (yet another) Colonel Karr from my ~7-7.5-hour Voyages (those are just the ones I remember, and it may be from the last 8-9 days-ish). So I'm on a good week this week. And seeing someone who happens to be on a bad week this week insist on their conspiracy theory that Voyages have been nerfed... well, it makes for amusing reading. Or at least, it did, initially, several months ago.
Seeing it getting hashed out again and again, despite explanation after explanation... well, it does get a little old.
Now, let's move on from Voyages, and fix the serious issue in Gauntlet instead: why , when your opponent is Mirror Picard, does he get so many crits?! I swear, once I saw him get seven crits against me.
Except possibly that last bit. The serious issue here is obviously whether or not we are going to get Pink Sweater Sarek during this mega event. ;P
But I'm not seeing 'good weeks' like Penguin Jim. I had a good voyage yesterday with 5 super-rares, the best I've had since I went on my 20 hour voyage. I went 12-14 hours to get that.
Most weeks I just get a super-rare or two, and I run 7 1/2 hour voyages almost constantly.
I wish I had good weeks like Penguin Jim. The reality is, is I get lucky once every couple of weeks or so. And when I get lucky, I extend my voyage.
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Wow, you just hit he nail on the head. All this condescending statistics snobbery is supposed to ridicule our observations that quite undeniably we are witnessing worsening results from our voyages....
We know this game intimately and too many people are witnessing exactly the same phenomenon for this to be simply brushed aside by ‘lack of data’.