Having read through this entire thread, I’ve compiled a selection of my favourite ships from players suggestions that I’d like to see added in time to come.
Race Suit Torres (4 or 5 star)
Prisoner Tom Paris - from the first episode (could be a 2 star)
Civilian Disguise Paris (4 star)
EV Suit Tuvok (4 star)
Alternate Future Rom - in a Starfleet uniform
Maco Uniform Mayweather
TNG Miles O'brien
Dress Uniform Kirk
Captain Spock
Admiral McCoy
Guest Characters
Ikat'ika - he needs to be in - would be perfect for this mega event (5 star)
Omet'iklan
Garth of Izar (5 star)
Valkris - you know her - she was blown up in Star Trek III (2 or 3 star)
Ba'el - could be a cool trait mix of Klingon and Romulan (2 star)
Azetbur - a female chancellor needs to be in(5 star)
Ch'Rega (2 or 3 star)
General Korok - assimilated (4 star)
Commander Kashyk - that Devore guy (4 star)
Commander Toreth (4 star)
Captain Keogh - Commander of the USS Odysse (5 star)
Civil war Q (5 star - of course - he is Q!)
Chancellor Martok (5 star)
Commander Shelby
Race Suit Torres (4 or 5 star)
Prisoner Tom Paris - from the first episode (could be a 2 star)
Civilian Disguise Paris (4 star)
EV Suit Tuvok (4 star)
Alternate Future Rom - in a Starfleet uniform
Maco Uniform Mayweather
TNG Miles O'brien
Dress Uniform Kirk
Captain Spock
Admiral McCoy
Guest Characters
Ikat'ika - he needs to be in - would be perfect for this mega event (5 star)
Omet'iklan
Garth of Izar (5 star)
Valkris - you know her - she was blown up in Star Trek III (2 or 3 star)
Ba'el - could be a cool trait mix of Klingon and Romulan (2 star)
Azetbur - a female chancellor needs to be in(5 star)
Ch'Rega (2 or 3 star)
General Korok - assimilated (4 star)
Commander Kashyk - that Devore guy (4 star)
Commander Toreth (4 star)
Captain Keogh - Commander of the USS Odysse (5 star)
Civil war Q (5 star - of course - he is Q!)
Chancellor Martok (5 star)
Commander Shelby
I love almost this entire list. A few suggestions:
Make Prisoner Paris a 1* -- that would make a version of him available at every rarity
Make Captain Keogh a 4* -- the Odyssey got crushed by the Dominion, so he doesn't strike me as worthy of the fifth *. Maybe if they ever re-run that captains event (that also featured Captain Sulu), he could replace Captain Harriman of the Enterprise-B.
Having read through this entire thread, I’ve compiled a selection of my favourite ships from players suggestions that I’d like to see added in time to come.
With the
Jem'Hadar Flagship
being added to the game next week I’ve updated my ship suggestions.
I'm surprised no one mentioned these in here. These would be just cool to own if DB did the art right and they wouldn't really be useful in game play but...
Nazi Kirk and Spock, but with the way things are going these days maybe not too cool. Might offend someone.
Spock from "This Side Of Paradise" With that big grin on his face hangin from the tree, Classic!
And of course let's not forget this guy:
Finnegan!
I'm surprised no one mentioned these in here. These would be just cool to own if DB did the art right and they wouldn't really be useful in game play but...
Nazi Kirk and Spock, but with the way things are going these days maybe not too cool. Might offend someone.
Until earlier this month, featuring Nazi imagery in a video game would've made the game illegal in Germany. And while the law has changed, I feel like maybe this is one area DB should definitely stick away from. Sort of the same way that we'll probably never get Decker from TMP - sure he was a great character and had a nice moment in the film, but the real world implications today don't make his inclusion worthwhile IMO.
I've got one more after reading about non-canons. We've only heard the DS9 crew talk about this guy but never seen him.
This would be killer, so I challenge the DB artists since no one has ever drawn this character. Captain Boday the Gallamite with the transparent skull. memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Boday
I looked on Google and only found this pict but it's pretty weak, looks like Geordi as the Invisible man. But I think it was just a display for his visor.
I'm surprised no one mentioned these in here. These would be just cool to own if DB did the art right and they wouldn't really be useful in game play but...
Nazi Kirk and Spock, but with the way things are going these days maybe not too cool. Might offend someone.
Until earlier this month, featuring Nazi imagery in a video game would've made the game illegal in Germany. And while the law has changed, I feel like maybe this is one area DB should definitely stick away from. Sort of the same way that we'll probably never get Decker from TMP - sure he was a great character and had a nice moment in the film, but the real world implications today don't make his inclusion worthwhile IMO.
They could draw the characters but not include the swastikas, or does that mean the likeness of the uniform as well?
The title could be "Fascist".
BTW, what's the deal with Decker from TMP? Don't get it.
I'm surprised no one mentioned these in here. These would be just cool to own if DB did the art right and they wouldn't really be useful in game play but...
Nazi Kirk and Spock, but with the way things are going these days maybe not too cool. Might offend someone.
Until earlier this month, featuring Nazi imagery in a video game would've made the game illegal in Germany. And while the law has changed, I feel like maybe this is one area DB should definitely stick away from. Sort of the same way that we'll probably never get Decker from TMP - sure he was a great character and had a nice moment in the film, but the real world implications today don't make his inclusion worthwhile IMO.
They could do Kirk and/or Spock from Patterns of Force much as they did Colonel Karr: in a gray uniform but without any of the Nazi symbols.
I'm surprised no one mentioned these in here. These would be just cool to own if DB did the art right and they wouldn't really be useful in game play but...
Nazi Kirk and Spock, but with the way things are going these days maybe not too cool. Might offend someone.
Until earlier this month, featuring Nazi imagery in a video game would've made the game illegal in Germany. And while the law has changed, I feel like maybe this is one area DB should definitely stick away from. Sort of the same way that we'll probably never get Decker from TMP - sure he was a great character and had a nice moment in the film, but the real world implications today don't make his inclusion worthwhile IMO.
They could draw the characters but not include the swastikas, or does that mean the likeness of the uniform as well?
The title could be "Fascist".
BTW, what's the deal with Decker from TMP? Don't get it.
Stephen Collins, who played Captain Will Decker, admitted in 2014 to sexual contact with multiple minors over the course of roughly 20 years starting in the 1970s. Any royalties paid for his likeness would go directly into the bank account of an avowed child abuser...that doesn’t sit well with many people. I can’t see DB wanting to take the kind of heat that would result from dealing with him.
On a lighter note, why is DB holding out on Commodore Decker? If it is a matter of getting William Windom’s rights, DB should feel comfortable paying his family more than the usual amount because I feel a lot of people will go ape-doody to get him (I am one of these).
On a lighter note, why is DB holding out on Commodore Decker? If it is a matter of getting William Windom’s rights, DB should feel comfortable paying his family more than the usual amount because I feel a lot of people will go ape-doody to get him (I am one of these).
I, too, want to see Lieutenant M'Ress added as crew. While it's listed on the main page, it's mistakenly listed under TOS, while it should be listed as TAS (The Animated Series).
The current snowflake politics in today’s society shouldn’t dictate what content is shown in games if the game is depicting content from the Star Trek franchise.
Star Trek has always been a very liberal entity & if the writers were ok to dress Kirk & Spock in Nazi uniforms on the show back then, then I’d see no reason why they couldn’t be displayed today.
But if it is an issue to some who maybe offended & missed the overall message from the show then yes by all means hide the fact they appear to be Nazi soldiers like the did with Colonel Karr.
The current snowflake politics in today’s society shouldn’t dictate what content is shown in games if the game is depicting content from the Star Trek franchise.
Star Trek has always been a very liberal entity & if the writers were ok to dress Kirk & Spock in Nazi uniforms on the show back then, then I’d see no reason why they couldn’t be displayed today.
But if it is an issue to some who maybe offended & missed the overall message from the show then yes by all means hide the fact they appear to be Nazi soldiers like the did with Colonel Karr.
In this instance it’s not about snowflakes, it was a law in Germany that stood for decades that would likely have meant the game being taken down entirely in that country. Even with the law having recently been changed, it may be best to follow the precedent set by Colonel Karr’s artwork anyway...anyone who has seen the episode knows exactly what the art refers to and shouldn’t themselves be triggered over the changes.
In this instance it’s not about snowflakes, it was a law in Germany that stood for decades that would likely have meant the game being taken down entirely in that country. Even with the law having recently been changed, it may be best to follow the precedent set by Colonel Karr’s artwork anyway...anyone who has seen the episode knows exactly what the art refers to and shouldn’t themselves be triggered over the changes.
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It will never be forgotten or brushed under the carpet so they might as well just learn to live with it.
Surely Germany’s purchase spending in STT is minimal enough to not be missed & go ahead & show the world how petty they are if they did block the game there for Nazi Kirk & Spock. I’m quite sure players will just crack on by means of a VPN anyway so no harm no foul.
That's a disgusting comment and I hope its dealt with appropriately and swiftly.
Who exactly do you think is 'bitter and holding a grudge' if not you?!
BTW: You can call me a snowflake all you want, it'll just confirm my opinion of you.
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History can not be swept under the rug. These things need to be remembered out of respect for the people they happened to. My grandmother was a teenager in Germany during the war. When all the scientists fled, Hitler recruited, among others, her father to work on the bomb for him as he had to go with the second string and her father was an inventor. Her parents were killed in the firebombing of Dresden. Her and her brother were alone in a war ravaged nightmare as the country was bombed daily since very little protection was kept in Germany. Most troops and resources were abroad. They had to do things such as jump coal trains because that is all they had to eat. Til the day she died she liked her toast and most other foods burnt because she grew accustomed to the effing taste of coal. Eventually she was taken and forced to sew uniforms for the Luftwaffe. This woman had to have such nightmares for the rest of her life, I can’t even imagine. On top of it, she was the only person in my family who ever believed in me. My daughter is named Edith to honor her and to provide me with an even greater, deeper connection to her. To sweep what happened to her under the rug and to act like it didn’t happen or to just never speak of it again is a complete and total disrespect to her on the level of a moral crime.
In this instance it’s not about snowflakes, it was a law in Germany that stood for decades that would likely have meant the game being taken down entirely in that country. Even with the law having recently been changed, it may be best to follow the precedent set by Colonel Karr’s artwork anyway...anyone who has seen the episode knows exactly what the art refers to and shouldn’t themselves be triggered over the changes.
Actually there was no law change. It's a bit more complicated.
In Germany it is forbidden to use/show symbols of unconstitutional organisations by the German Criminal Code §§ 86, 86a (English version of the law: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stgb.html#p0868) since it was intended to ban these symbols out of the public at all after what happened during the NS-Regime while those symbols where everywhere in Germany.
But there is an execption for art, science, education etc. to show these kind of symbols. So it always has been allowed to show them in movies, documentaries, books for education, etc.
(3) Subsection (1) above shall not apply if the propaganda materials or the act is meant to serve civil education, to avert unconstitutional movements, to promote art or science, research or teaching, the reporting about current or historical events or similar purposes.
There were two problems for video games. First they weren't considered as art like movies. Second there was a appeal court ruling in 1998 which banned Wolfenstein 3D in Germany for showing NS-symbols according to §§ 86, 86a German Criminal Code but the ruling didn't consider the exception at all, it just ignored it. The court ruling didn't state that games are not "art", it simply ignored the exception (probably in a legal error as the court ruling should have at least discussed the exception). But the ruling was never appealed to the highest German court but still was widely critized and considered as wrong, first because more and more people considered video games as art just as movies and second because of the legal flaw it has.
Last year a german comedian released a free Street Fighter like flash game in which a german right wing politician had a special move in which he looked like a Swastika. After a criminal complaint the Public Attorney's Office declined a preliminary investigation by public prosecution because they argued that the game doesn't violate §§ 86, 86a German Criminal Code because it was used in a video game which in their oppinion can be considered as art which started a major shift in the legal oppinion.
A few months later the german ESRB pendant (USK) stated that they will start to rate games with NS-symbols from now instead of their former complete refusal to rate such games. They will check if the game falls under the exception of the law. If yes, they will rate the game. If no (for example the game glamorizes the NS regime or it's main purpose is to propagandize, the game still won't get a rating).
If a publisher gets a rating for his game from the USK he can release the game in Germany without the fear of criminal prosecution. The old court ruling still hasn't been overruled and it is still possible that another court will still declare games with NS symbols as illegal (because the court doesn't consider them as art or thinks that they glamorize) but because of the rating the publisher can't be punised for it because he can excuse himself with good faith because he had the rating from the USK.
Complicated but I hope I was able to explain the situation over here .
In this instance it’s not about snowflakes, it was a law in Germany that stood for decades that would likely have meant the game being taken down entirely in that country. Even with the law having recently been changed, it may be best to follow the precedent set by Colonel Karr’s artwork anyway...anyone who has seen the episode knows exactly what the art refers to and shouldn’t themselves be triggered over the changes.
Actually there was no law change. It's a bit more complicated.
In Germany it is forbidden to use/show symbols of unconstitutional organisations by the German Criminal Code §§ 86, 86a (English version of the law: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stgb.html#p0868) since it was intended to ban these symbols out of the public at all after what happened during the NS-Regime while those symbols where everywhere in Germany.
But there is an execption for art, science, education etc. to show these kind of symbols. So it always has been allowed to show them in movies, documentaries, books for education, etc.
(3) Subsection (1) above shall not apply if the propaganda materials or the act is meant to serve civil education, to avert unconstitutional movements, to promote art or science, research or teaching, the reporting about current or historical events or similar purposes.
There were two problems for video games. First they weren't considered as art like movies. Second there was a appeal court ruling in 1998 which banned Wolfenstein 3D in Germany for showing NS-symbols according to §§ 86, 86a German Criminal Code but the ruling didn't consider the exception at all, it just ignored it. The court ruling didn't state that games are not "art", it simply ignored the exception (probably in a legal error as the court ruling should have at least discussed the exception). But the ruling was never appealed to the highest German court but still was widely critized and considered as wrong, first because more and more people considered video games as art just as movies and second because of the legal flaw it has.
Last year a german comedian released a free Street Fighter like flash game in which a german right wing politician had a special move in which he looked like a Swastika. After a criminal complaint the Public Attorney's Office declined a preliminary investigation by public prosecution because they argued that the game doesn't violate §§ 86, 86a German Criminal Code because it was used in a video game which in their oppinion can be considered as art which started a major shift in the legal oppinion.
A few months later the german ESRB pendant (USK) stated that they will start to rate games with NS-symbols from now instead of their former complete refusal to rate such games. They will check if the game falls under the exception of the law. If yes, they will rate the game. If no (for example the game glamorizes the NS regime or it's main purpose is to propagandize, the game still won't get a rating).
If a publisher gets a rating for his game from the USK he can release the game in Germany without the fear of criminal prosecution. The old court ruling still hasn't been overruled and it is still possible that another court will still declare games with NS symbols as illegal (because the court doesn't consider them as art or thinks that they glamorize) but because of the rating the publisher can't be punised for it because he can excuse himself with good faith because he had the rating from the USK.
Complicated but I hope I was able to explain the situation over here .
That helps clear things up very nicely, thanks! I imagine games with consistently new content like this one might live in a grey area unless they were to be re-rated at a later time, suggesting it may still be best to avoid such symbols on future crew.
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FYI -- The Nova class is already in the game. I'd be all for adding any/all of the rest you posted here.
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Main Characters:
Race Suit Torres (4 or 5 star)
Prisoner Tom Paris - from the first episode (could be a 2 star)
Civilian Disguise Paris (4 star)
EV Suit Tuvok (4 star)
Alternate Future Rom - in a Starfleet uniform
Maco Uniform Mayweather
TNG Miles O'brien
Dress Uniform Kirk
Captain Spock
Admiral McCoy
Guest Characters
Ikat'ika - he needs to be in - would be perfect for this mega event (5 star)
Omet'iklan
Garth of Izar (5 star)
Valkris - you know her - she was blown up in Star Trek III (2 or 3 star)
Ba'el - could be a cool trait mix of Klingon and Romulan (2 star)
Azetbur - a female chancellor needs to be in(5 star)
Ch'Rega (2 or 3 star)
General Korok - assimilated (4 star)
Commander Kashyk - that Devore guy (4 star)
Commander Toreth (4 star)
Captain Keogh - Commander of the USS Odysse (5 star)
Civil war Q (5 star - of course - he is Q!)
Chancellor Martok (5 star)
Commander Shelby
I love almost this entire list. A few suggestions:
Make Prisoner Paris a 1* -- that would make a version of him available at every rarity
Make Captain Keogh a 4* -- the Odyssey got crushed by the Dominion, so he doesn't strike me as worthy of the fifth *. Maybe if they ever re-run that captains event (that also featured Captain Sulu), he could replace Captain Harriman of the Enterprise-B.
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With the
Jem'Hadar Flagship
being added to the game next week I’ve updated my ship suggestions.
Nazi Kirk and Spock, but with the way things are going these days maybe not too cool. Might offend someone.
Spock from "This Side Of Paradise" With that big grin on his face hangin from the tree, Classic!
And of course let's not forget this guy:
Finnegan!
Time ships from Voyager:
U.S.S. Relativity
Krenim Temporal Warship
Until earlier this month, featuring Nazi imagery in a video game would've made the game illegal in Germany. And while the law has changed, I feel like maybe this is one area DB should definitely stick away from. Sort of the same way that we'll probably never get Decker from TMP - sure he was a great character and had a nice moment in the film, but the real world implications today don't make his inclusion worthwhile IMO.
This would be killer, so I challenge the DB artists since no one has ever drawn this character. Captain Boday the Gallamite with the transparent skull. memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Boday
I looked on Google and only found this pict but it's pretty weak, looks like Geordi as the Invisible man. But I think it was just a display for his visor.
They could draw the characters but not include the swastikas, or does that mean the likeness of the uniform as well?
The title could be "Fascist".
BTW, what's the deal with Decker from TMP? Don't get it.
They could do Kirk and/or Spock from Patterns of Force much as they did Colonel Karr: in a gray uniform but without any of the Nazi symbols.
Stephen Collins, who played Captain Will Decker, admitted in 2014 to sexual contact with multiple minors over the course of roughly 20 years starting in the 1970s. Any royalties paid for his likeness would go directly into the bank account of an avowed child abuser...that doesn’t sit well with many people. I can’t see DB wanting to take the kind of heat that would result from dealing with him.
On a lighter note, why is DB holding out on Commodore Decker? If it is a matter of getting William Windom’s rights, DB should feel comfortable paying his family more than the usual amount because I feel a lot of people will go ape-doody to get him (I am one of these).
Hear! Hear!
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Star Trek has always been a very liberal entity & if the writers were ok to dress Kirk & Spock in Nazi uniforms on the show back then, then I’d see no reason why they couldn’t be displayed today.
But if it is an issue to some who maybe offended & missed the overall message from the show then yes by all means hide the fact they appear to be Nazi soldiers like the did with Colonel Karr.
In this instance it’s not about snowflakes, it was a law in Germany that stood for decades that would likely have meant the game being taken down entirely in that country. Even with the law having recently been changed, it may be best to follow the precedent set by Colonel Karr’s artwork anyway...anyone who has seen the episode knows exactly what the art refers to and shouldn’t themselves be triggered over the changes.
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It will never be forgotten or brushed under the carpet so they might as well just learn to live with it.
Surely Germany’s purchase spending in STT is minimal enough to not be missed & go ahead & show the world how petty they are if they did block the game there for Nazi Kirk & Spock. I’m quite sure players will just crack on by means of a VPN anyway so no harm no foul.
Who exactly do you think is 'bitter and holding a grudge' if not you?!
BTW: You can call me a snowflake all you want, it'll just confirm my opinion of you.
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Don’t forget Captain Rixx.
Those three would be fine, but if DB is looking for a new Starfleet captain to add to the game, I'd rather see Captain Silva La Forge.
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Actually there was no law change. It's a bit more complicated.
In Germany it is forbidden to use/show symbols of unconstitutional organisations by the German Criminal Code §§ 86, 86a (English version of the law: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stgb.html#p0868) since it was intended to ban these symbols out of the public at all after what happened during the NS-Regime while those symbols where everywhere in Germany.
But there is an execption for art, science, education etc. to show these kind of symbols. So it always has been allowed to show them in movies, documentaries, books for education, etc.
There were two problems for video games. First they weren't considered as art like movies. Second there was a appeal court ruling in 1998 which banned Wolfenstein 3D in Germany for showing NS-symbols according to §§ 86, 86a German Criminal Code but the ruling didn't consider the exception at all, it just ignored it. The court ruling didn't state that games are not "art", it simply ignored the exception (probably in a legal error as the court ruling should have at least discussed the exception). But the ruling was never appealed to the highest German court but still was widely critized and considered as wrong, first because more and more people considered video games as art just as movies and second because of the legal flaw it has.
Last year a german comedian released a free Street Fighter like flash game in which a german right wing politician had a special move in which he looked like a Swastika. After a criminal complaint the Public Attorney's Office declined a preliminary investigation by public prosecution because they argued that the game doesn't violate §§ 86, 86a German Criminal Code because it was used in a video game which in their oppinion can be considered as art which started a major shift in the legal oppinion.
A few months later the german ESRB pendant (USK) stated that they will start to rate games with NS-symbols from now instead of their former complete refusal to rate such games. They will check if the game falls under the exception of the law. If yes, they will rate the game. If no (for example the game glamorizes the NS regime or it's main purpose is to propagandize, the game still won't get a rating).
If a publisher gets a rating for his game from the USK he can release the game in Germany without the fear of criminal prosecution. The old court ruling still hasn't been overruled and it is still possible that another court will still declare games with NS symbols as illegal (because the court doesn't consider them as art or thinks that they glamorize) but because of the rating the publisher can't be punised for it because he can excuse himself with good faith because he had the rating from the USK.
Complicated but I hope I was able to explain the situation over here
That helps clear things up very nicely, thanks! I imagine games with consistently new content like this one might live in a grey area unless they were to be re-rated at a later time, suggesting it may still be best to avoid such symbols on future crew.