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  • Althea BiermontAlthea Biermont ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2018
    Yes, the faction events are really starting to annoy me when it comes to the shuttle seats. I miss the days when some of the shuttles only had one or two seats for the events. Now it’s as if they are trying to make the player as miserable as possible.

    If you would be a newbie who doesn´t have a deep crew yet a valid point. But you are not. And you speak specifically of YOUR annoyance.

    Didn´t you say that day you have all Legendaries of the current Portal + all Super Rares of it FE/FF or something like that? Well, so you can fill all those seats and could fill even more easily.

    Hence I regard this as complaining just to complain, sorry. Also like Banjo I prefer crew being used over sitting around catching dust...

    You are free to think of it as complaining just to complain, but that wouldn't be accurate. Events are a chore. They are the least enjoyable aspect of this game for me. I go through all the available shuttles and plan out the best missions to run and the best crew for those missions keeping boosts and bonuses in mind. It's a tedious process at the start of each faction event that just gets more and more tedious as they make changes like they have. I do this because I like when my shuttles succeed. Yes, I have all the (portal) Legendary crew so have a wide depth of crew but with stat creep (on non-portal crew) and bonuses for event crew, most of them are not helpful when it comes to doing "well" in an event. To me, doing well means all my shuttles have at least a 90% success chance when they go out.

    As for a newbie, I can't even imagine trying to do these events with under 100 crew and still doing well (relatively speaking). I really feel for them with the shuttle seat changes.

    Those things may not be important to other players, but they are to me. Please don't dismiss my OCD in favor of your own brand of OCD :p
  • al103al103 ✭✭✭
    So... Is this event unpopular or what? I planned for threshold-and-out and so I didn't even used kickstart and only *** boosters are used were Med... Yet I am in top 500...
  • S31S31 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why is Herbert a veteran?
  • Data1001Data1001 ✭✭✭✭✭
    S31 wrote: »
    Why is Herbert a veteran?

    The episode takes place in 1953, so I assume that Herb — like most American men of his age at that time — would have fought in WWII.


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  • Banjo1012Banjo1012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, the faction events are really starting to annoy me when it comes to the shuttle seats. I miss the days when some of the shuttles only had one or two seats for the events. Now it’s as if they are trying to make the player as miserable as possible.

    If you would be a newbie who doesn´t have a deep crew yet a valid point. But you are not. And you speak specifically of YOUR annoyance.

    Didn´t you say that day you have all Legendaries of the current Portal + all Super Rares of it FE/FF or something like that? Well, so you can fill all those seats and could fill even more easily.

    Hence I regard this as complaining just to complain, sorry. Also like Banjo I prefer crew being used over sitting around catching dust...

    You are free to think of it as complaining just to complain, but that wouldn't be accurate. Events are a chore. They are the least enjoyable aspect of this game for me. I go through all the available shuttles and plan out the best missions to run and the best crew for those missions keeping boosts and bonuses in mind. It's a tedious process at the start of each faction event that just gets more and more tedious as they make changes like they have. I do this because I like when my shuttles succeed. Yes, I have all the (portal) Legendary crew so have a wide depth of crew but with stat creep (on non-portal crew) and bonuses for event crew, most of them are not helpful when it comes to doing "well" in an event. To me, doing well means all my shuttles have at least a 90% success chance when they go out.

    As for a newbie, I can't even imagine trying to do these events with under 100 crew and still doing well (relatively speaking). I really feel for them with the shuttle seat changes.

    Those things may not be important to other players, but they are to me. Please don't dismiss my OCD in favor of your own brand of OCD :p

    That just goes to show how people look at and play the game differently. For me, events are now the only real, entertaining reason to play. I look forward to them even if I don’t care for the crew as it’s a challenge and reward to clear the thresholds. If I want the crew, it’s game on and that’s when I REALLY find this game fun!
  • Wildstar19Wildstar19 ✭✭✭✭
    Banjo1012 wrote: »
    Yes, the faction events are really starting to annoy me when it comes to the shuttle seats. I miss the days when some of the shuttles only had one or two seats for the events. Now it’s as if they are trying to make the player as miserable as possible.

    If you would be a newbie who doesn´t have a deep crew yet a valid point. But you are not. And you speak specifically of YOUR annoyance.

    Didn´t you say that day you have all Legendaries of the current Portal + all Super Rares of it FE/FF or something like that? Well, so you can fill all those seats and could fill even more easily.

    Hence I regard this as complaining just to complain, sorry. Also like Banjo I prefer crew being used over sitting around catching dust...

    You are free to think of it as complaining just to complain, but that wouldn't be accurate. Events are a chore. They are the least enjoyable aspect of this game for me. I go through all the available shuttles and plan out the best missions to run and the best crew for those missions keeping boosts and bonuses in mind. It's a tedious process at the start of each faction event that just gets more and more tedious as they make changes like they have. I do this because I like when my shuttles succeed. Yes, I have all the (portal) Legendary crew so have a wide depth of crew but with stat creep (on non-portal crew) and bonuses for event crew, most of them are not helpful when it comes to doing "well" in an event. To me, doing well means all my shuttles have at least a 90% success chance when they go out.

    As for a newbie, I can't even imagine trying to do these events with under 100 crew and still doing well (relatively speaking). I really feel for them with the shuttle seat changes.

    Those things may not be important to other players, but they are to me. Please don't dismiss my OCD in favor of your own brand of OCD :p

    That just goes to show how people look at and play the game differently. For me, events are now the only real, entertaining reason to play. I look forward to them even if I don’t care for the crew as it’s a challenge and reward to clear the thresholds. If I want the crew, it’s game on and that’s when I REALLY find this game fun!

    I'm not on that elite level, neither am I a beginner (lvl 55, playing since 2016), but I am a F2P except for the monthly dil purchase. I could maybe understand someone who's maxed out not enjoying the events, but for those of us in the middle or beginning, the events are extremely helpful in a lot of ways (except for Galaxy, which are a drain and I play a minimum). For the most part, the events are interesting and entertaining and a nice change from the daily grind ("grind" don't mean that as a complaint). Everyone finds "fun" in their own way, so maybe we can give some leeway to those who have a whole bunch of golds maxed out, lol.
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  • [10F] Belle'Anna [10F] Belle'Anna ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Diplomacy skill is over-used. Diplomacy is a very specific skill and while a little bit is used by everyone, true diplomacy is highly skilled and people do need to be natively good and preferably trained to do it well. DB just throws it around, like commandos a bit of a filler. And most people seem to be handy with a gun, another highly skilled area. Science and medicine go hand in hand, and often science and engineering on a starship. But science is pretty broad and covers huge possibilities.
    Yes, the faction events are really starting to annoy me when it comes to the shuttle seats. I miss the days when some of the shuttles only had one or two seats for the events. Now it’s as if they are trying to make the player as miserable as possible.

    If you would be a newbie who doesn´t have a deep crew yet a valid point. But you are not. And you speak specifically of YOUR annoyance.

    Didn´t you say that day you have all Legendaries of the current Portal + all Super Rares of it FE/FF or something like that? Well, so you can fill all those seats and could fill even more easily.

    Hence I regard this as complaining just to complain, sorry. Also like Banjo I prefer crew being used over sitting around catching dust...

    You are free to think of it as complaining just to complain, but that wouldn't be accurate. Events are a chore. They are the least enjoyable aspect of this game for me. I go through all the available shuttles and plan out the best missions to run and the best crew for those missions keeping boosts and bonuses in mind. It's a tedious process at the start of each faction event that just gets more and more tedious as they make changes like they have. I do this because I like when my shuttles succeed. Yes, I have all the (portal) Legendary crew so have a wide depth of crew but with stat creep (on non-portal crew) and bonuses for event crew, most of them are not helpful when it comes to doing "well" in an event. To me, doing well means all my shuttles have at least a 90% success chance when they go out.

    As for a newbie, I can't even imagine trying to do these events with under 100 crew and still doing well (relatively speaking). I really feel for them with the shuttle seat changes.

    Those things may not be important to other players, but they are to me. Please don't dismiss my OCD in favor of your own brand of OCD :p

    Don't get me wrong, but I enjoy hearing that people with a whole bunch of maxed out golds have to work a bit to get over 90% plus on their shuttles.
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  • Regarding the Herb/Quark debate.

    The game's story itself is about different, infinite dimensions going spaghetti on a single point in space and time.
    So in Herb's (and Benny's) case we're not talking about Sisko's visions but about real people, lived on Earth during the mid 50s.
    Moreover, linking those crew with its own story the game definitely is assuming that there is at least one dimension where Benny and Herb do exist as physical beings (at least being physical is a major requisite if you plan to drive a space ship), solving by the way even the whole episode's dilemma from DS9 (Sisko was really visioning another reality, not allucinating).
    That's the reason why Herb "should" provide a bonus during Quark's event, as well as Benny for Sisko, because he "is" Quark, in another point of space "and" time.
    They have the same soul, speaking in more mystical terms... 😅

    As a side note, you may ask about characters that are "clearly" visions/allucinations of other characters, like Admiral Picard or Prisoner O'Brien... That's hurting my mind since the first day of play!
    But I assume that they are real people. Or better, that's the game that's assuming they're real, pretending to launch them in shuttle and battling enemy ships...
    They are all coming from alternative/parallel timelines where for some reason (or simply because timelines are infinite by definition so everything is possible) the allucinations of someone had become real, Picard being promoted to Admiral and O'Brien being incarcerated for decades by an alien government.

    My two cents 😜
  • RabbRabb ✭✭
    The Diplomacy skill is over-used. Diplomacy is a very specific skill and while a little bit is used by everyone, true diplomacy is highly skilled and people do need to be natively good and preferably trained to do it well. DB just throws it around...

    You mean like War Correspondent Jake Sisko having higher Dip than any version of "Ambassador" Sarek? Now you mention it....
  • Travis S McClainTravis S McClain ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sybok MKII wrote: »
    That's the reason why Herb "should" provide a bonus during Quark's event, as well as Benny for Sisko, because he "is" Quark, in another point of space "and" time.
    They have the same soul, speaking in more mystical terms... 😅

    I really dig your idea that Benny Russell, et al, were the same souls as Captain Sisko, et al. There's nothing in the episode to contradict it; it's only attributed to being something constructed for Captain Sisko by the Prophets. But we know they exist outside linear time, so there's no reason whatsoever that, given the keen interest they took in Benjamin Sisko, that they might not also have taken a keen interest in his soul at previous points in its existence.

    Last August, I went with friends to observe the eclipse. The night before, we struck up conversation and hit on the theme of how we may connect and reconnect with one another in different lives in different ways. It's intriguing to me to consider that conversation in light of "Far Beyond the Stars" and your take on it, specifically where Joseph, Benjamin, and Jake Sisko are concerned. The Priest, Benny, and Jimmy are not fathers and sons, as are their 24th Century counterparts, yet they do still find one another and try to offer guidance just the same.

    There's something revolutionary to me about the idea of reincarnation that acknowledges that we won't always have the same kinds of relationships to one another's host forms, while still retaining some of those core relationship dynamics. Maybe this is why we sometimes find ourselves mentoring a given young person in our lives, whether a student or a coworker or a neighbor. Maybe it's why parents and their children will sometimes experience periods of role reversal, wherein the parent becomes irresponsible and in need of leadership that comes from the child. Maybe it's why we instinctively find ourselves drawn to--and repelled by--specific people.

    And maybe we cycle around the universe, drawn to where other souls from our network go. Maybe Gul Dukat sought out the Dominion not because of the events of the 24th Century at all, but because that's where Weyoun's soul had gone, and they need to connect.

    None of this has anything to do with the event at hand, or whether Herbert Rossoff "should" count as a Quark variant or not, and to be honest, I don't care about that question. But your notion about the souls being the same has certainly piqued my fascination, @Sybok MKII!
  • Average GuyAverage Guy ✭✭✭✭
    To be fair, the vast majority of staff in the engine room of a boat are mechanics with perhaps a very small number of engineers to oversee things. The same would exist for any scientific process which would use scientists to do the day to day stuff with the engineers overseeing them in an office or control room. Since a space ship is more high tech, the majority of staff in "engineering" theoretically should be either mechanics or lab rats to do the day to day repairs and science end of the things. The engineering crew would work in the control room and oversee all the "other staff" and tell them what to do and make sure the processes they (or the Star fleet engineers at some base) designed. You really wouldn't have a ship full of officers doing everything (even if the Starfleet model makes it look that way). Grunts should be doing most of the work in a realistic scenario and the engineers like LaForge made sure it worked. Sure they were hands on so they knew what was going on but they shouldn't all be engineers. Before ripping apart the above, please read below.

    My actual point is that chemical engineers study a lot of chemistry while other types of engineers probably a lot less to almost none. Since the drives are actually matter / anti matter (dilithium power - kind of like that lithium ion battery powering your device) you are dealing with more physics and chemistry or whatever the fields are called in Star Trek universe. Engineers in these fields should ALL have a good science background. I am not talking about the engineers who designed the ship or any other type of engineering where the focus maybe more on math and physics. The fuel end of business is science based and ALL the engineers in the engineering room should have a good science background since it is chemistry and physics and the engineers in these fields focus on processes and design on top of science.

    On a final note, Star Trek may have a lot of holes in some of the things they did, but it was for entertainment so it doesn't need to be 100% accurate. Also, this is just a game so it doesn't need to be 100% accurate either. Game designers balance things out for fun and competitive balance between characters. I kind of like seeing a variety in skills in the characters since in each scenario a character is taken from, they show different skills.
  • Average GuyAverage Guy ✭✭✭✭
    Sorry went on a nice ramble. My point was I like to see a variety of skills in the characters. Gives us more opportunities to use them. Regardless of what they should or shouldn't have.
  • None of this has anything to do with the event at hand, or whether Herbert Rossoff "should" count as a Quark variant or not, and to be honest, I don't care about that question. But your notion about the souls being the same has certainly piqued my fascination, @Sybok MKII!

    [Off topic] That's the exact idea the whole movie "Cloud Atlas" is based from (not the greatest way to expose it, but the idea surely is fascinating).
    Even many religions admit it (or admitted it in the past...), so it's definitely something that mankind is trying to address from its whole history. 🙂
  • ~peregrine~~peregrine~ ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sybok MKII wrote: »
    None of this has anything to do with the event at hand, or whether Herbert Rossoff "should" count as a Quark variant or not, and to be honest, I don't care about that question. But your notion about the souls being the same has certainly piqued my fascination, @Sybok MKII!

    [Off topic] That's the exact idea the whole movie "Cloud Atlas" is based from (not the greatest way to expose it, but the idea surely is fascinating).
    Even many religions admit it (or admitted it in the past...), so it's definitely something that mankind is trying to address from its whole history. 🙂

    That was a great book! I loved how the cloud moved across the top of the pages. 🖖🏻
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  • Banjo1012Banjo1012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rabb wrote: »
    The Diplomacy skill is over-used. Diplomacy is a very specific skill and while a little bit is used by everyone, true diplomacy is highly skilled and people do need to be natively good and preferably trained to do it well. DB just throws it around...

    You mean like War Correspondent Jake Sisko having higher Dip than any version of "Ambassador" Sarek? Now you mention it....

    There are many irksome things like this. Admiral Cornwell is an admiral yet has no command at all. First officers have higher command than admirals. Someone takes an aspirin and they have the medical skill. Loqueque Sato is high in science yet she can’t even think straight...

  • S31 wrote: »
    Why is Herbert a veteran?

    I have the same question.
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  • Average GuyAverage Guy ✭✭✭✭
    S31 wrote: »
    Why is Herbert a veteran?

    I have the same question.

    Someone mentioned that the episode took place post WWII and he must have been in it.
  • Average GuyAverage Guy ✭✭✭✭
    S31 wrote: »
    Why is Herbert a veteran?

    I have the same question.

    It was @Data1001 and it was just an assumption but it does make sense.
  • Travis S McClainTravis S McClain ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sybok MKII wrote: »
    None of this has anything to do with the event at hand, or whether Herbert Rossoff "should" count as a Quark variant or not, and to be honest, I don't care about that question. But your notion about the souls being the same has certainly piqued my fascination, @Sybok MKII!

    [Off topic] That's the exact idea the whole movie "Cloud Atlas" is based from (not the greatest way to expose it, but the idea surely is fascinating).
    Even many religions admit it (or admitted it in the past...), so it's definitely something that mankind is trying to address from its whole history. 🙂

    Yeah, it's an old concept. I've seldom given it much thought, though, largely because I just don't care about who I may have been before or who I may be next. (That said, I'd like to come back as a mountain goat next time. I'm acrophobic and as a Crohnie, I envy their indestructible digestive systems. Being able to traipse around mountains without fear and chowing down on whatever I feel like without worrying what it'll do to me sounds pretty sweet.)

    What I meant specifically--and I see that I did a poorer job articulating it than I realized--was that I dug your application of that concept to "Far Beyond the Stars". The episode is content to leave us with the question of who is the dreamer and who is the dream, an either/or binary choice. The idea of them being the same souls, as you suggest, comes from outside the episode's text but it's certainly intriguing and there's nothing in the episode to negate the thought exercise.

    The other side of all this is then using this new consideration of "Far Beyond the Stars" as a model for the conversation I had with my friends last year. It's given me some new things to contemplate.
  • DavideBooksDavideBooks ✭✭✭✭✭
    robownage wrote: »
    So here I am, having just gotten a bunch of chrons from a Voyage, trying to decide if I push to secure myself a Top 3000 finish so that I can get the fourth star I need for Combat Medic Paris. While trying to decide, I open up the Gauntlet and play a couple of rounds, earning myself a bunch of merits and also a couple of single Premium pulls.

    Go to grab one of the pulls, and behold:

    mp4tp39mq6z4.png

    Thank you RNG!

    Lucky you. I've been debating the same question. I decided to spend a thousand chronitons fo drop my rank to 2000 before my supply kit ran out. I hope that keeps me above 3000 at the end. I had the supply kit to level my gang of Picards and I spent 3000 chronos to finally max out a bunch missions. I now have 5 left with one star missing. That should help.
  • Dirk GundersonDirk Gunderson ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sybok MKII wrote: »
    None of this has anything to do with the event at hand, or whether Herbert Rossoff "should" count as a Quark variant or not, and to be honest, I don't care about that question. But your notion about the souls being the same has certainly piqued my fascination, @Sybok MKII!

    [Off topic] That's the exact idea the whole movie "Cloud Atlas" is based from (not the greatest way to expose it, but the idea surely is fascinating).
    Even many religions admit it (or admitted it in the past...), so it's definitely something that mankind is trying to address from its whole history. 🙂

    Yeah, it's an old concept. I've seldom given it much thought, though, largely because I just don't care about who I may have been before or who I may be next. (That said, I'd like to come back as a mountain goat next time. I'm acrophobic and as a Crohnie, I envy their indestructible digestive systems. Being able to traipse around mountains without fear and chowing down on whatever I feel like without worrying what it'll do to me sounds pretty sweet.)

    What I meant specifically--and I see that I did a poorer job articulating it than I realized--was that I dug your application of that concept to "Far Beyond the Stars". The episode is content to leave us with the question of who is the dreamer and who is the dream, an either/or binary choice. The idea of them being the same souls, as you suggest, comes from outside the episode's text but it's certainly intriguing and there's nothing in the episode to negate the thought exercise.

    The other side of all this is then using this new consideration of "Far Beyond the Stars" as a model for the conversation I had with my friends last year. It's given me some new things to contemplate.

    That “who is the dreamer and who is the dream” aspect is the only part of the episode that I didn’t like. Nobody is going to St. Elsewhere the entire Trek Universe if I have anything to say about it (I don’t, of course).
  • PallidynePallidyne ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sybok MKII wrote: »
    None of this has anything to do with the event at hand, or whether Herbert Rossoff "should" count as a Quark variant or not, and to be honest, I don't care about that question. But your notion about the souls being the same has certainly piqued my fascination, @Sybok MKII!

    [Off topic] That's the exact idea the whole movie "Cloud Atlas" is based from (not the greatest way to expose it, but the idea surely is fascinating).
    Even many religions admit it (or admitted it in the past...), so it's definitely something that mankind is trying to address from its whole history. 🙂

    Yeah, it's an old concept. I've seldom given it much thought, though, largely because I just don't care about who I may have been before or who I may be next. (That said, I'd like to come back as a mountain goat next time. I'm acrophobic and as a Crohnie, I envy their indestructible digestive systems. Being able to traipse around mountains without fear and chowing down on whatever I feel like without worrying what it'll do to me sounds pretty sweet.)

    What I meant specifically--and I see that I did a poorer job articulating it than I realized--was that I dug your application of that concept to "Far Beyond the Stars". The episode is content to leave us with the question of who is the dreamer and who is the dream, an either/or binary choice. The idea of them being the same souls, as you suggest, comes from outside the episode's text but it's certainly intriguing and there's nothing in the episode to negate the thought exercise.

    The other side of all this is then using this new consideration of "Far Beyond the Stars" as a model for the conversation I had with my friends last year. It's given me some new things to contemplate.

    That “who is the dreamer and who is the dream” aspect is the only part of the episode that I didn’t like. Nobody is going to St. Elsewhere the entire Trek Universe if I have anything to say about it (I don’t, of course).

    So now I have visions of Terry Farrell's Becker character in bed with Ted Danson and waking up and stating, "I had the weirdest dream...."

    OK so maybe Bob did it better.
  • Dirk GundersonDirk Gunderson ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pallidyne wrote: »
    Sybok MKII wrote: »
    None of this has anything to do with the event at hand, or whether Herbert Rossoff "should" count as a Quark variant or not, and to be honest, I don't care about that question. But your notion about the souls being the same has certainly piqued my fascination, @Sybok MKII!

    [Off topic] That's the exact idea the whole movie "Cloud Atlas" is based from (not the greatest way to expose it, but the idea surely is fascinating).
    Even many religions admit it (or admitted it in the past...), so it's definitely something that mankind is trying to address from its whole history. 🙂

    Yeah, it's an old concept. I've seldom given it much thought, though, largely because I just don't care about who I may have been before or who I may be next. (That said, I'd like to come back as a mountain goat next time. I'm acrophobic and as a Crohnie, I envy their indestructible digestive systems. Being able to traipse around mountains without fear and chowing down on whatever I feel like without worrying what it'll do to me sounds pretty sweet.)

    What I meant specifically--and I see that I did a poorer job articulating it than I realized--was that I dug your application of that concept to "Far Beyond the Stars". The episode is content to leave us with the question of who is the dreamer and who is the dream, an either/or binary choice. The idea of them being the same souls, as you suggest, comes from outside the episode's text but it's certainly intriguing and there's nothing in the episode to negate the thought exercise.

    The other side of all this is then using this new consideration of "Far Beyond the Stars" as a model for the conversation I had with my friends last year. It's given me some new things to contemplate.

    That “who is the dreamer and who is the dream” aspect is the only part of the episode that I didn’t like. Nobody is going to St. Elsewhere the entire Trek Universe if I have anything to say about it (I don’t, of course).

    So now I have visions of Terry Farrell's Becker character in bed with Ted Danson and waking up and stating, "I had the weirdest dream...."

    OK so maybe Bob did it better.

    You know...if they could get Terry Farrell and Ted Danson to do that scene and put it at the end of the series finale of Discovery, I don’t know if I would be all that mad. I probably still would be but the amusement factor for the scene itself would be high.
  • After a grueling Hybrid event, TLA has emerged with a hard-fought victory...

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    Congrats to our Fifth Column squads on pushing us to an historic results, with not just the #1 fleet rank, but a #1-2 finish for our two fleet branches!

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    I couldn't be a prouder Admiral. 😢 I think you lads have earned some well-deserved shore leave on Risa... 😎

    LLAP!
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