A little disappointed there is no new 4*. Hybrid events are the best for FF a new 4* crew and with both 4* as repeats there is no incentive to play other than ranking for the new 5*. That's a lot of effort for only 1 new crew.
There is incentive for those who haven't finished those characters, especially newer players.
I've been playing since near launch and there's several 4* and 5* characters from launch I'm still working on or don't have at all.
Apparently they're removing a star on the threshold 4* for a (useless) 1/5 card, I wouldn't call that a good deal for new players. Baetson will be a burden in any new player's roster while the missing star on the 4* will be quite significant.
All in all it's a bad deal but older players acclaimed the change because it lets them add a star to their useless cards they never use.
Not removing a star. The last star is in the community rewards.
AFAIK there were only 3 stars for disguised Tuvok with the community rewards and the threshold.
The wiki only lists 2 Tuvoks in the threshold rewards for the Family Tree rerun event (https://stt.wiki/wiki/Family_Tree_2), but it also only has 2 listed in the original event (https://stt.wiki/wiki/Family_Tree). Were only 2 4* included in the thresholds back then? Or is it an error in the wiki? I didn't have Disguised Tuvok before the event but now have him FF - I don't remember getting another copy outside of the event, but it's possible.
The previous rerun that included the old 5* in the thresholds was Isthmian Games (https://stt.wiki/wiki/The_Isthmian_Games_2), which did include 3 copies of the 4* (Prospero Data) in the threshold in addition to 5* Dancing Uhura.
I feel like there were definitely three copies of Tuvok. It seemed to me at the time they simply added another threshold level.
We got 3 copies of tuvok, I remember because I didn’t own him and I immortalized him after the event (1 star from community rewards)
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It may not work for we mere* mortals, but if Q calls something a cat, he can make it turn into a cat.
I'm just saying this because I'm a Q fan. I do also get it if they don't count him. I don't think he would thrive in Starfleet training. "Ensign" would be a stretch, lol.
It would be pretty in character for Q to have, at the least, altered the data records and personal memories of everyone in Starfleet just so he could give a smug smile on the off chance that Picard tried to prove he wasn't really a Captain.
Another 5* Data? Not complaining but Data is getting a lot of love.
I love Data just as much as the next guy. I mean, I freaking LOVE Data, but we just had a new one last week. Isn’t this a little soon? Especially when you have SO MUCH variety to choose from already. There are TONS of crew we still haven’t seen, event without more main cast variants. Just look around in the forums you guys run and you’ll find plenty of examples.
Weirdly enough, I’m also Vulcan Housewife. Also, RNGesus hates me, like really, REALLY hates me.
Another 5* Data? Not complaining but Data is getting a lot of love.
I love Data just as much as the next guy. I mean, I freaking LOVE Data, but we just had a new one last week. Isn’t this a little soon? Especially when you have SO MUCH variety to choose from already. There are TONS of crew we still haven’t seen, event without more main cast variants. Just look around in the forums you guys run and you’ll find plenty of examples.
I've been getting a lot of crew that I want - Captain Killy and Pugilist Q to name a couple. I do also try to keep in mind that the game has writers. If they are inspired to introduce Data's close together, well at least I didn't have to unfreeze him. I do prefer some variety, though. I'll just hope for the following week.
In support of your point though, it's Data twice with a rerun in between. It feels more like walking in a circle than creating a Starfleet insignia pattern.
I noticed that Katrine is on the list of bonus crew. Shouldn't Klingon Janeway also be? In that episode, Janeway (and the rest of the crew) is essential brainwashed into thinking she is a Klingon, before being injured and then brainwashed into thinking she is Katrine, a 1940's bar/club owner and French resistance fighter, all part of Hirogen hunts on the holodeck.
The only reason I can see that Katrine counts and Klingon Janeway does not is if our version of Katrine is that it is after Janeway was freed from the neural whatever that kept her brainwashed. She is then back to being Captain Janeway, but has to act the part of Katrine so as to not arouse suspicion. Looking at the traits, she is still an Undercover Operative (either playing the part to fool the Hirogen or being a member of the French Resistance would count). The other traits apart from Starfleet and Federation are normal for either Katrine or Janeway as Katrine. However, Mademoiselle de Neuf has the Costumed trait, while Katrine does not. I understand that DB has been inconsistent with that trait (and others), but it wouldn't be a costume if you thought those were your normal clothes (if actually Katrine, you could argue that it is a costume to hide her being a Resistance fighter, but I think that would mean most Undercover Operatives should have Costumed).
Also, Resistance Neelix is never freed from the brainwashing, but Klingon Neelix is. Both have the Chef trait, which I doubt either would have while brainwashed. But Klingon has Brutal, something he wouldn't have as normal Neelix playing the part.
Tl;dr: Klingon Janeway should count, because Katrine counts, unless Katrine is Janeway playing the part of Katrine after being freed from the brainwashing and thus back to actually being Capt Janeway.
(And because Klingon Janeway is one of my top Sec crew overall and especially for this event, and I want Singing Data)
*really hoping that Commanding Officer Sisko is an opportunity to collect in this event*
If he is I want my honor back that I used to cite him
I really hope you are being sarcastic, or just trolling. If so, then ignore the rest of this comment.
Because if you are being serious... why would you deserve to have honor refunded to you? You made the choice to spend honor on this card. Nobody made you do it. DB didn't bait-and-switch you by saying "this is an exclusive 1/3 card with no other way to improve it except with honor". You decided you didn't have the patience to wait. That's your choice, and it's perfectly reasonable, but it is not a refund-worthy situation.
*really hoping that Commanding Officer Sisko is an opportunity to collect in this event*
If he is I want my honor back that I used to cite him
I really hope you are being sarcastic, or just trolling. If so, then ignore the rest of this comment.
Because if you are being serious... why would you deserve to have honor refunded to you? You made the choice to spend honor on this card. Nobody made you do it. DB didn't bait-and-switch you by saying "this is an exclusive 1/3 card with no other way to improve it except with honor". You decided you didn't have the patience to wait. That's your choice, and it's perfectly reasonable, but it is not a refund-worthy situation.
Actually, DB did say that Commanding Officer Sisko was an exclusive, 1 time drop. Therefore, we would need to spend honor to fffe him. That, of coarse, doesn't mean that at some time in the future, they might change this situation. The said the same thing about the Voyage Exclusive crew and now we can get multiple copies of them from Voyages.
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Another 5* Data? Not complaining but Data is getting a lot of love.
I love Data just as much as the next guy. I mean, I freaking LOVE Data, but we just had a new one last week. Isn’t this a little soon? Especially when you have SO MUCH variety to choose from already. There are TONS of crew we still haven’t seen, event without more main cast variants. Just look around in the forums you guys run and you’ll find plenty of examples.
I've been getting a lot of crew that I want - Captain Killy and Pugilist Q to name a couple. I do also try to keep in mind that the game has writers. If they are inspired to introduce Data's close together, well at least I didn't have to unfreeze him. I do prefer some variety, though. I'll just hope for the following week.
In support of your point though, it's Data twice with a rerun in between. It feels more like walking in a circle than creating a Starfleet insignia pattern.
Wouldn't it be lack of inspiration in that case? Data is a perfectly fine character, but two variants within two weeks is a lot. There are many other potential cards from characters who were barely explored like Garak (or cardassians in general), Martok, Kes (main character with 3 variants only), Daniels, or a lot of minor characters. There are more Wesley cards than Garak and Kes combined, which is a bit puzzling.
I don't know why they're obsessed with tier 5s Datas either, a few tier 4s would be welcome too.
@Shan please tell me Pinafore Data will have the voice clip of him singing, and if not could you suggest it to the dev team? Seems like a missed opportunity if not
you guys sure do complain alot;) if you don't want another data then simply skip the event, no one is making you participate in it ;p
Even thou they haven't provided the stats yet, they did post this pretty early, so at least we know what character the reward will be and what type of event it will be for, while this current event is in progress.
you guys sure do complain alot;) if you don't want another data then simply skip the event, no one is making you participate in it ;p
Even thou they haven't provided the stats yet, they did post this pretty early, so at least we know what character the reward will be and what type of event it will be for, while this current event is in progress.
I agree. I for one am looking forward to this Data. I opted to not go for Silva, but I already have Bateson, Sulu, Harriman and enough chrons for the second phase.
I noticed that Katrine is on the list of bonus crew. Shouldn't Klingon Janeway also be? In that episode, Janeway (and the rest of the crew) is essential brainwashed into thinking she is a Klingon, before being injured and then brainwashed into thinking she is Katrine, a 1940's bar/club owner and French resistance fighter, all part of Hirogen hunts on the holodeck.
The only reason I can see that Katrine counts and Klingon Janeway does not is if our version of Katrine is that it is after Janeway was freed from the neural whatever that kept her brainwashed. She is then back to being Captain Janeway, but has to act the part of Katrine so as to not arouse suspicion. Looking at the traits, she is still an Undercover Operative (either playing the part to fool the Hirogen or being a member of the French Resistance would count). The other traits apart from Starfleet and Federation are normal for either Katrine or Janeway as Katrine. However, Mademoiselle de Neuf has the Costumed trait, while Katrine does not. I understand that DB has been inconsistent with that trait (and others), but it wouldn't be a costume if you thought those were your normal clothes (if actually Katrine, you could argue that it is a costume to hide her being a Resistance fighter, but I think that would mean most Undercover Operatives should have Costumed).
Also, Resistance Neelix is never freed from the brainwashing, but Klingon Neelix is. Both have the Chef trait, which I doubt either would have while brainwashed. But Klingon has Brutal, something he wouldn't have as normal Neelix playing the part.
Tl;dr: Klingon Janeway should count, because Katrine counts, unless Katrine is Janeway playing the part of Katrine after being freed from the brainwashing and thus back to actually being Capt Janeway.
(And because Klingon Janeway is one of my top Sec crew overall and especially for this event, and I want Singing Data)
There’s a thread that’s dedicated to all these trait discrepancies and such. I can’t remember offhand where it’s at but I think it’s in either Engineering or Make It So. Trait Audit Thread I believe. If I’m getting this all messed up, someone help correct my info. Anyhow, my point being you should go there and help us catalog all these peeceived trait bungles. It’s helpful in the long run.
Weirdly enough, I’m also Vulcan Housewife. Also, RNGesus hates me, like really, REALLY hates me.
I'll be curious to see how the faction seats get allocated. Its kinda built in that many of the bonus characters will be heavy on CMD and DIP (plus SEC as a close 3rd). I hope that the seat stats reflect this and they dont go down the RNG route which spits out a bunch of MED/SCI/ENG missions...
I'll be curious to see how the faction seats get allocated. Its kinda built in that many of the bonus characters will be heavy on CMD and DIP (plus SEC as a close 3rd). I hope that the seat stats reflect this and they dont go down the RNG route which spits out a bunch of MED/SCI/ENG missions...
It's a re-run. The missions are copy/paste from the previous run.
I'd really like to know the next event, to help determine just how useful this new Data will be, and how much time and effort (and resources) I should put into this event.
The issue I have with the new reward structure is that it's not only the following even we need to be aware of, but at least 2 or 3 events ahead.
How did we play the game until this month? Nobody tried to get in top 1k because we didn't know if the Picard we get will be used next week or 4 months later. The dark ages! 😁
I wonder why nobody ask for the future collections. I don't want to airlock the next 5* Wesley FF/FE Dip 200 (1-10) Sci 189 (2-4) who will unlock the first 6* Wesley with 6 skills.
How did we play the game until this month? Nobody tried to get in top 1k because we didn't know if the Picard we get will be used next week or 4 months later. The dark ages! 😁
I wonder why nobody ask for the future collections. I don't want to airlock the next 5* Wesley FF/FE Dip 200 (1-10) Sci 189 (2-4) who will unlock the first 6* Wesley with 6 skills.
The purpose of the change was so that we would want to compete for 1k since the 5* is useful the following week. You'd think given that intention that they want to let us know how the 5* will be useful.
How did we play the game until this month? Nobody tried to get in top 1k because we didn't know if the Picard we get will be used next week or 4 months later. The dark ages! 😁
I wonder why nobody ask for the future collections. I don't want to airlock the next 5* Wesley FF/FE Dip 200 (1-10) Sci 189 (2-4) who will unlock the first 6* Wesley with 6 skills.
Prior to the change, decisions were made based on the current event and/or the particular 5* reward character in question. What the next event was, or what the next 2, 3, 4 events were, didn't matter.
With the change, future events do factor into decision making, since a choice in the current event now has an impact on those future events, in a domino-like fashion.
Frankly, I'm not sure why there isn't a public calendar of upcoming events, at least in terms of the format. We don't need storylines or characters. The other option would be to implement a standard rotation for events, at least for non-mega events. For example:
A little disappointed there is no new 4*. Hybrid events are the best for FF a new 4* crew and with both 4* as repeats there is no incentive to play other than ranking for the new 5*. That's a lot of effort for only 1 new crew.
1600 honour though, I do agree though. If the new character wasn't Data I imagine a lot of people wouldn't bother.
A little disappointed there is no new 4*. Hybrid events are the best for FF a new 4* crew and with both 4* as repeats there is no incentive to play other than ranking for the new 5*. That's a lot of effort for only 1 new crew.
1600 honour though, I do agree though. If the new character wasn't Data I imagine a lot of people wouldn't bother.
Jim
1600 honor, but 800 of them after spending resources in the galaxy portion. Unless Data is a super power creep, I still won't bother.
How did we play the game until this month? Nobody tried to get in top 1k because we didn't know if the Picard we get will be used next week or 4 months later. The dark ages! 😁
I wonder why nobody ask for the future collections. I don't want to airlock the next 5* Wesley FF/FE Dip 200 (1-10) Sci 189 (2-4) who will unlock the first 6* Wesley with 6 skills.
Hey now...don’t give DB any ideas, or we’ll really end up with this:
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We got 3 copies of tuvok, I remember because I didn’t own him and I immortalized him after the event (1 star from community rewards)
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Pretty pleased about Pinafore Data
It may not work for we mere* mortals, but if Q calls something a cat, he can make it turn into a cat.
I'm just saying this because I'm a Q fan. I do also get it if they don't count him. I don't think he would thrive in Starfleet training. "Ensign" would be a stretch, lol.
I love Data just as much as the next guy. I mean, I freaking LOVE Data, but we just had a new one last week. Isn’t this a little soon? Especially when you have SO MUCH variety to choose from already. There are TONS of crew we still haven’t seen, event without more main cast variants. Just look around in the forums you guys run and you’ll find plenty of examples.
I've been getting a lot of crew that I want - Captain Killy and Pugilist Q to name a couple. I do also try to keep in mind that the game has writers. If they are inspired to introduce Data's close together, well at least I didn't have to unfreeze him. I do prefer some variety, though. I'll just hope for the following week.
In support of your point though, it's Data twice with a rerun in between. It feels more like walking in a circle than creating a Starfleet insignia pattern.
The only reason I can see that Katrine counts and Klingon Janeway does not is if our version of Katrine is that it is after Janeway was freed from the neural whatever that kept her brainwashed. She is then back to being Captain Janeway, but has to act the part of Katrine so as to not arouse suspicion. Looking at the traits, she is still an Undercover Operative (either playing the part to fool the Hirogen or being a member of the French Resistance would count). The other traits apart from Starfleet and Federation are normal for either Katrine or Janeway as Katrine. However, Mademoiselle de Neuf has the Costumed trait, while Katrine does not. I understand that DB has been inconsistent with that trait (and others), but it wouldn't be a costume if you thought those were your normal clothes (if actually Katrine, you could argue that it is a costume to hide her being a Resistance fighter, but I think that would mean most Undercover Operatives should have Costumed).
Also, Resistance Neelix is never freed from the brainwashing, but Klingon Neelix is. Both have the Chef trait, which I doubt either would have while brainwashed. But Klingon has Brutal, something he wouldn't have as normal Neelix playing the part.
Tl;dr: Klingon Janeway should count, because Katrine counts, unless Katrine is Janeway playing the part of Katrine after being freed from the brainwashing and thus back to actually being Capt Janeway.
(And because Klingon Janeway is one of my top Sec crew overall and especially for this event, and I want Singing Data)
I really hope you are being sarcastic, or just trolling. If so, then ignore the rest of this comment.
Because if you are being serious... why would you deserve to have honor refunded to you? You made the choice to spend honor on this card. Nobody made you do it. DB didn't bait-and-switch you by saying "this is an exclusive 1/3 card with no other way to improve it except with honor". You decided you didn't have the patience to wait. That's your choice, and it's perfectly reasonable, but it is not a refund-worthy situation.
Actually, DB did say that Commanding Officer Sisko was an exclusive, 1 time drop. Therefore, we would need to spend honor to fffe him. That, of coarse, doesn't mean that at some time in the future, they might change this situation. The said the same thing about the Voyage Exclusive crew and now we can get multiple copies of them from Voyages.
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Wouldn't it be lack of inspiration in that case? Data is a perfectly fine character, but two variants within two weeks is a lot. There are many other potential cards from characters who were barely explored like Garak (or cardassians in general), Martok, Kes (main character with 3 variants only), Daniels, or a lot of minor characters. There are more Wesley cards than Garak and Kes combined, which is a bit puzzling.
I don't know why they're obsessed with tier 5s Datas either, a few tier 4s would be welcome too.
Even thou they haven't provided the stats yet, they did post this pretty early, so at least we know what character the reward will be and what type of event it will be for, while this current event is in progress.
I agree. I for one am looking forward to this Data. I opted to not go for Silva, but I already have Bateson, Sulu, Harriman and enough chrons for the second phase.
There’s a thread that’s dedicated to all these trait discrepancies and such. I can’t remember offhand where it’s at but I think it’s in either Engineering or Make It So. Trait Audit Thread I believe. If I’m getting this all messed up, someone help correct my info. Anyhow, my point being you should go there and help us catalog all these peeceived trait bungles. It’s helpful in the long run.
It's a re-run. The missions are copy/paste from the previous run.
https://stt.wiki/wiki/The_Captain's_Oath/Faction_Missions
The issue I have with the new reward structure is that it's not only the following even we need to be aware of, but at least 2 or 3 events ahead.
I wonder why nobody ask for the future collections. I don't want to airlock the next 5* Wesley FF/FE Dip 200 (1-10) Sci 189 (2-4) who will unlock the first 6* Wesley with 6 skills.
The purpose of the change was so that we would want to compete for 1k since the 5* is useful the following week. You'd think given that intention that they want to let us know how the 5* will be useful.
Prior to the change, decisions were made based on the current event and/or the particular 5* reward character in question. What the next event was, or what the next 2, 3, 4 events were, didn't matter.
With the change, future events do factor into decision making, since a choice in the current event now has an impact on those future events, in a domino-like fashion.
Frankly, I'm not sure why there isn't a public calendar of upcoming events, at least in terms of the format. We don't need storylines or characters. The other option would be to implement a standard rotation for events, at least for non-mega events. For example:
Rotation:
- faction
- galaxy
- skirmish
- hybrid faction/galaxy
Jim
1600 honor, but 800 of them after spending resources in the galaxy portion. Unless Data is a super power creep, I still won't bother.
If they have a Janeway pack they can...
Hey now...don’t give DB any ideas, or we’ll really end up with this:
Traveler Wesley Crusher - 6*
COM/DIP/ENG/SEC/MED/SCI
Traits: Human, Civilian, Prodigy, Warp Theorist, Explorer, Maverick, Quantum Mechanics
Even at 3/5 he is useless. But at 4/5...