I set a new personal record in the Combs shuttle event, scoring 280,000 points. That was bittersweet; I worked hard and set a new personal record, but that was not a success because that was the first event where they moved the goalpost to 350,000. I also had plenty of viable event Combs' to utilize.
I just ripped open a few event packs BEFORE reading the updates to this thread (as squadron leader of a growing fleet/squad, I kind of feel it is my duty to provide my squad with the best shared crew I can manage) and now I feel gut punched. I was excited to push for at least 300,000 for that voyage token, but I honestly feel betrayed right now...
...EVERY G D TIME I make progress, EVERY G D TIME I spend a little more to improve, EVERY G D TIME I emotionally invest in psyching myself up to kick butt in an event despite the odds, the finish line moves just a bit farther away.
It's like you are walking on a treadmill going 1 MPH and there is $1,000 hanging from a string just out of reach. You keep pace, build strength, and just as you feel set to run a little harder to get the prize, the treadmill speeds up. Not wanting to give up you refocus, come up with a plan, and keep going. You dig deep and start to sprint to get that money just as the treadmill speeds up again.
This is so demoralizing. The game is Lucy and I am Charlie Brown.
So what? I push hard again, get better to the point where I am able to approach 400,000 victory in a month or so, why on EARTH should I trust that when I get there the new mark won't be 500,000?!?! Based on all available evidence, any other assumption has to be grounded in delusion.
Paraphrasing Spock from the exact moment they made his art here:
"You must be one with your gamers."
I'm coming up on my one year anniversary with the game and I've only seen increasing division.
I am sad that you will be losing a player soon. And all I ever did was try to play your game.
400k is trying to fill your own Christmas pockets and empty ours.
I just feel deflated. For the first time since I started playing this game, I actually feel dread. Joy has been replaced with torment.
My tiny fleet of 14 dedicated friends just made the final donation to build an upgrade to our Industrial Replicator after over a week of hard work, and old me would be doing cartwheels to celebrate and cheer on my fleet and congratulate them all, but I am just sitting here unable to move, and I feel nothing for that accomplishment. I was cheerleading in fleet chat keeping people motivated for this goal; I just set the project to build myself but a minute ago, and I feel nothing for that accomplishment.
I...
... have nothing left in my tank. I have 3 new crew to work on tonight for this event I just paid actual money for, and I just want to set them on fire and watch them burn, just to feel something, to replace this betrayed, smothering misery and despair.
I was happy for this rerun. Not anymore. Now I just want it to be over. DB managed to rob me of my motivation. I'll still participate. But I'll be on autopilot.
Paraphrasing Spock from the exact moment they made his art here:
"You must be one with your gamers."
I'm coming up on my one year anniversary with the game and I've only seen increasing division.
I am sad that you will be losing a player soon. And all I ever did was try to play your game.
400k is trying to fill your own Christmas pockets and empty ours.
For shame.
Funny you mention that...
They tipped the scales for me with this.
Which in it's own right has a level of irony. The introduction of Captain Spock on top of the new threshold did drive me to spend to help ensure a top 1K finish.
And the fact Spock was useful the next weekend DID lead me to be close enough to the top 1K to spend to help ensure a top 1k finish and get Layna.
But then this drops.
Look way back in the thread. Look at how excited I was for Jet-Boot Spock.
Now?
Meh. I'm not spending a dime on this event. If I don't have enough boosts to make 400k Threshold, oh well. If I don't have enough to make top 1K, oh well.
STV is actually a movie that has a lot of meaning to me. So maybe this is just an extra slap in the face personally, but... my fleet's input indicates this is not good optics for DB.
Frank did some broad strokes math for the last event that I think we could revisit here:
Assume the kickstart to 4K takes you 2 hours to accomplish. That leaves you 94 hours of event left until the buzzer hits.
If you only run 4 shuttles the entire time and use ZERO rentals - and you pass every single shuttle - and you wake up or set times to be on point and in the game every 3 hours for the second a shuttle returns, you are sending it right back out -
You only have 31 'sessions' of shuttles (with a few spare minutes added in) to get you VP. If you assume each session is worth 16k VP (4 shuttles at 4K, all 4 pass), you will end the event at 496,000 VP.
Doing a little more math: let's assume 4000 VP for the kickstart (may be a little high? doing this off memory), you would need 87 shuttle successes for 350,000 and 99 for 400,000 or average 70% & 80% of the shuttles you run if you run every available shuttle through sleep.
So I thought, let's do some simple math to account for sleeping: say 7 hours of sleep with one set of shuttles run = 16 total hours of lost shuttle time. That comes out to 26 shuttle 'sessions' exactly. If you hit all of those you would need to average 84% success for 350k and 95% for 400k.
The choice DB is presenting us is to lose sleep or to pay up (either directly in the event with boosts or indirectly to FF 5* event characters to meet that 95% success rate if it's even possible). It would take more than just broad strokes math to come up with how many time boosts you need, but I think that's the only option that could be considered "worth it" for old 1/5* characters
Since you seem to be unsure, let me clarify for you-- it is possible to run all four shuttles at 4k points each at 97-99%.
They’re counting on people wanting Spocket Boots that badly.
He is a top 20 voyage card, and one of the 3-4 best voyage cards released in events (excluding mega golds)
Folks might spot check this (since my math has my crew/fleet bonuses applied), but I believe Boots is:
#15 Voyage score in the game (just below Leonardo, which tells you something right there)
#3 best SCI and CMD base score in the game (in between Annorax and Gary Seven, but closer to Annorax)
#5 best CMD and SCI base score in the game, in between Captain Rachel Garrett and First Officer Chekov. (After which comes Captain Spock hard on heels, so he might be redundant there if you just got Cap.
He would have qualified as bonus crew in 13.1% of all past events, which is within the top 15-17 of all legendary crew's bonus qualification frequencies.
In my ranking schema (which is wired a bit to what I value), this puts him as the 29th best legendary out of 245 (assuming he will have no notable ship stats), so top 10%-ish.
GoE, bless her heart, has the following distinguishing qualities:
#205 out of 245 legendaries in Voyage score
2nd best DIP and MED base score in the game, after Tora Ziyal (gasp) and effectively the same as Virtuoso Doctor and Katrina Cornwell. Unfortunately, DIP and MED only appears in two Daily Shuttle mission seats (one Augment, one Klingon), and has only appeared in two Event shuttle mission seats since this June. So nobody's life would end if they got their DIP and MED itch scratched virtually any other way, since they'd be lucky if they got to use it more than once a month. Hold out for Virtuoso or Katrina who give you way more bang for the buck.
She would have qualified for 10.1% of past events as bonus crew, which is respectable, but her AND pair in either order (DIP/MED or MED/DIP) is next to useless since those seats hardly ever occur. So her primary utility would be as a so-so solo DIP seat filler in Troi or Hologram events. Not awful, but not great either.
By my estimation, this puts her around #168 out of all 245 legendaries in "value", but YMMV based on what you value. Anyone who passes going for the 400k this time should take comfort in that they're not missing much. (and is also righteous in pointing out that she should be the payout at a much lower VP level - she's pretty close to "really good SR" territory).
I'll welcome any reduced competition for Boots for those who take a pass entirely in protest over GoE, though :-)
First time it was ran I ended with partially fused Kirk and Apollo. Since I've immortalized them and pulled Troi and got her to 3/5 with subsequent pulls. While I would have loved to see her at 100k or 250k so I could share her at 4/5 for a good portion of the event, I'm up for the 400k challange. I mean, I think I can do it, but I only notice ranking in events not raw score.
As I recall I had the threshold clear by mid-morning on Sunday for the last faction with the extended thresholds, and finished around rank 500 with right around 500k VP. I spent no DIL and used two shuttle rentals a night to run 8K missions. It requires consistent play with decent event crew (and fair shuttle luck), but it is certainly attainable.
Okay thanks. I should have the capability to reach her threshold easily.
Frank did some broad strokes math for the last event that I think we could revisit here:
Assume the kickstart to 4K takes you 2 hours to accomplish. That leaves you 94 hours of event left until the buzzer hits.
If you only run 4 shuttles the entire time and use ZERO rentals - and you pass every single shuttle - and you wake up or set times to be on point and in the game every 3 hours for the second a shuttle returns, you are sending it right back out -
You only have 31 'sessions' of shuttles (with a few spare minutes added in) to get you VP. If you assume each session is worth 16k VP (4 shuttles at 4K, all 4 pass), you will end the event at 496,000 VP.
Doing a little more math: let's assume 4000 VP for the kickstart (may be a little high? doing this off memory), you would need 87 shuttle successes for 350,000 and 99 for 400,000 or average 70% & 80% of the shuttles you run if you run every available shuttle through sleep.
So I thought, let's do some simple math to account for sleeping: say 7 hours of sleep with one set of shuttles run = 16 total hours of lost shuttle time. That comes out to 26 shuttle 'sessions' exactly. If you hit all of those you would need to average 84% success for 350k and 95% for 400k.
The choice DB is presenting us is to lose sleep or to pay up (either directly in the event with boosts or indirectly to FF 5* event characters to meet that 95% success rate if it's even possible). It would take more than just broad strokes math to come up with how many time boosts you need, but I think that's the only option that could be considered "worth it" for old 1/5* characters
Since you seem to be unsure, let me clarify for you-- it is possible to run all four shuttles at 4k points each at 97-99%.
Unsure and fishing for an answer, so thank you! I've been up around 90 but since the calculation is a variant of a sigmoid function, I knew it would take a bit higher stats to get up around there.
Also I pulled out my old spreadsheets with the calculations for converting skill to mission success, and to get up to 95% the average skills for each shuttle would have to be about 2685.
400k is ridiculous. As others have said, the players who can clear that likely don't need the card. I would have needed it, but in the last event, I was able to clear 300k with a lot of stretch, but another 100k is out of reach, especially since the amount of event crew is lower.
I guess I'll not spend anything on trainers and shuttle rentals then.
While I agree that this is completely unfair for newer or more casual players, and they should of made the pts needed more attainable. I personally can score 400k fairly easy, mainly cause I have no life;) and I do need another star on her, so there are some people out there that do need her who can achieve it.
I think its more a money grab for DB, raise the pt value of everything, so that people will buy more of those shuttle coin things ;p
I had double the bonus crew two weeks ago (15-20) and ran non stop to get top 1k rank. No way I hit threshold this week so I look forward to a less stressful weekend and perhaps many more in the future if they keeping messing with reward table to try and bleed people dry.
Everybody has been complaining that the 400k VP is a DB money grab. While the result is the same, the plan was much less nefarious. "Let's just add the Legendary to the end of the new reward table. It's a lot easier to code for each event," was the most likely discussion.
Of course, as usual, the excellent players on this forum rapidly sussed out the unintended consequences. Hopefully DB will take this into consideration next time and put the next free 5* into a more appropriate row in the table, even if it requires a little extra coding.
Not sure about this Spock. A little goofy-looking, but then I suppose some goofiness is to be expected just from the jet boots thing, anyway.
Most hilarious is the Casual trait
I know, right? Sure, it’s probably there because he is not in uniform but the scene they used to create his artwork where he’s lounging around in midair while his captain struggles to climb a mountain adds a level of hilarity to this trait that is refreshing.
Too bad the event has been poisoned by DB’s greed and/or laziness.
Not sure about this Spock. A little goofy-looking, but then I suppose some goofiness is to be expected just from the jet boots thing, anyway.
Most hilarious is the Casual trait
When I said I was getting a George Jetson vibe from him, one of my fleetmates said this Spock actually reminded him of a certain other 1960s TV character, and thus I decided to "make it so"...
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing. ~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
Everybody has been complaining that the 400k VP is a DB money grab. While the result is the same, the plan was much less nefarious. "Let's just add the Legendary to the end of the new reward table. It's a lot easier to code for each event," was the most likely discussion.
Of course, as usual, the excellent players on this forum rapidly sussed out the unintended consequences. Hopefully DB will take this into consideration next time and put the next free 5* into a more appropriate row in the table, even if it requires a little extra coding.
Except that they extended the rewards table again, very shortly after changing it in the first place. They called it Polywater Yar a couple months back.
Everybody has been complaining that the 400k VP is a DB money grab. While the result is the same, the plan was much less nefarious. "Let's just add the Legendary to the end of the new reward table. It's a lot easier to code for each event," was the most likely discussion.
Of course, as usual, the excellent players on this forum rapidly sussed out the unintended consequences. Hopefully DB will take this into consideration next time and put the next free 5* into a more appropriate row in the table, even if it requires a little extra coding.
Except that they extended the rewards table again, very shortly after changing it in the first place. They called it Polywater Yar a couple months back.
And they also gave out wrong info about the new rewards in the first place. They wrote that the 1500 honor would be at 215k VP and then they replaced the 1k merits with the 1500 honor at 250k VP instead.
I just feel deflated. For the first time since I started playing this game, I actually feel dread. Joy has been replaced with torment.
My tiny fleet of 14 dedicated friends just made the final donation to build an upgrade to our Industrial Replicator after over a week of hard work, and old me would be doing cartwheels to celebrate and cheer on my fleet and congratulate them all, but I am just sitting here unable to move, and I feel nothing for that accomplishment. I was cheerleading in fleet chat keeping people motivated for this goal; I just set the project to build myself but a minute ago, and I feel nothing for that accomplishment.
I...
... have nothing left in my tank. I have 3 new crew to work on tonight for this event I just paid actual money for, and I just want to set them on fire and watch them burn, just to feel something, to replace this betrayed, smothering misery and despair.
Aw man, as one of your squad it saddens me to see you say all this. As a relatively new player I should naturally be in a position to want to try lift your mood, sadly I can't even force myself to attempt that.
Why? Because I agree with you.... Seriously mate don't give them another penny.
Also don't feel the need to spend real money to give us in your squad the best you can manage every week to share. I for one fully support you.
I have been playing for 3 months as a dolphin, now dB need to regain my trust if they want another penny from me.
Trying to equip and level up Apollo and Kirk has completely killed what little hope/happiness I had managed to restore since this afternoon. I see no reason to even try on this event. I paid money to buy packs for this event to try and enjoy it, and then they need so many ancient films, science experiments, etc that I cannot get them above level 50 before the event starts. I mean seriously, what is the point?! By the time I get either of them up to 100 the event will be half over. And of course none of the items needed are available from either of the factions featured in this event! I see no reason to participate, and if I'm not participating in this event, what is the point of any of this? I gave myself permission to stop playing this game this afternoon; I was expecting that to sting but all I felt was relief. I'm not sure I can put that toothpaste back in the tube.
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I just ripped open a few event packs BEFORE reading the updates to this thread (as squadron leader of a growing fleet/squad, I kind of feel it is my duty to provide my squad with the best shared crew I can manage) and now I feel gut punched. I was excited to push for at least 300,000 for that voyage token, but I honestly feel betrayed right now...
...EVERY G D TIME I make progress, EVERY G D TIME I spend a little more to improve, EVERY G D TIME I emotionally invest in psyching myself up to kick butt in an event despite the odds, the finish line moves just a bit farther away.
It's like you are walking on a treadmill going 1 MPH and there is $1,000 hanging from a string just out of reach. You keep pace, build strength, and just as you feel set to run a little harder to get the prize, the treadmill speeds up. Not wanting to give up you refocus, come up with a plan, and keep going. You dig deep and start to sprint to get that money just as the treadmill speeds up again.
This is so demoralizing. The game is Lucy and I am Charlie Brown.
So what? I push hard again, get better to the point where I am able to approach 400,000 victory in a month or so, why on EARTH should I trust that when I get there the new mark won't be 500,000?!?! Based on all available evidence, any other assumption has to be grounded in delusion.
"You must be one with your gamers."
I'm coming up on my one year anniversary with the game and I've only seen increasing division.
I am sad that you will be losing a player soon. And all I ever did was try to play your game.
400k is trying to fill your own Christmas pockets and empty ours.
For shame.
My tiny fleet of 14 dedicated friends just made the final donation to build an upgrade to our Industrial Replicator after over a week of hard work, and old me would be doing cartwheels to celebrate and cheer on my fleet and congratulate them all, but I am just sitting here unable to move, and I feel nothing for that accomplishment. I was cheerleading in fleet chat keeping people motivated for this goal; I just set the project to build myself but a minute ago, and I feel nothing for that accomplishment.
I...
... have nothing left in my tank. I have 3 new crew to work on tonight for this event I just paid actual money for, and I just want to set them on fire and watch them burn, just to feel something, to replace this betrayed, smothering misery and despair.
Opps! Sorry, guess that one went to far
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A funny thing happened on the way to the forum...
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
lol hush you!
Most hilarious is the Casual trait
Funny you mention that...
They tipped the scales for me with this.
Which in it's own right has a level of irony. The introduction of Captain Spock on top of the new threshold did drive me to spend to help ensure a top 1K finish.
And the fact Spock was useful the next weekend DID lead me to be close enough to the top 1K to spend to help ensure a top 1k finish and get Layna.
But then this drops.
Look way back in the thread. Look at how excited I was for Jet-Boot Spock.
Now?
Meh. I'm not spending a dime on this event. If I don't have enough boosts to make 400k Threshold, oh well. If I don't have enough to make top 1K, oh well.
STV is actually a movie that has a lot of meaning to me. So maybe this is just an extra slap in the face personally, but... my fleet's input indicates this is not good optics for DB.
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Since you seem to be unsure, let me clarify for you-- it is possible to run all four shuttles at 4k points each at 97-99%.
Folks might spot check this (since my math has my crew/fleet bonuses applied), but I believe Boots is:
#15 Voyage score in the game (just below Leonardo, which tells you something right there)
#3 best SCI and CMD base score in the game (in between Annorax and Gary Seven, but closer to Annorax)
#5 best CMD and SCI base score in the game, in between Captain Rachel Garrett and First Officer Chekov. (After which comes Captain Spock hard on heels, so he might be redundant there if you just got Cap.
He would have qualified as bonus crew in 13.1% of all past events, which is within the top 15-17 of all legendary crew's bonus qualification frequencies.
In my ranking schema (which is wired a bit to what I value), this puts him as the 29th best legendary out of 245 (assuming he will have no notable ship stats), so top 10%-ish.
GoE, bless her heart, has the following distinguishing qualities:
#205 out of 245 legendaries in Voyage score
2nd best DIP and MED base score in the game, after Tora Ziyal (gasp) and effectively the same as Virtuoso Doctor and Katrina Cornwell. Unfortunately, DIP and MED only appears in two Daily Shuttle mission seats (one Augment, one Klingon), and has only appeared in two Event shuttle mission seats since this June. So nobody's life would end if they got their DIP and MED itch scratched virtually any other way, since they'd be lucky if they got to use it more than once a month. Hold out for Virtuoso or Katrina who give you way more bang for the buck.
She would have qualified for 10.1% of past events as bonus crew, which is respectable, but her AND pair in either order (DIP/MED or MED/DIP) is next to useless since those seats hardly ever occur. So her primary utility would be as a so-so solo DIP seat filler in Troi or Hologram events. Not awful, but not great either.
By my estimation, this puts her around #168 out of all 245 legendaries in "value", but YMMV based on what you value. Anyone who passes going for the 400k this time should take comfort in that they're not missing much. (and is also righteous in pointing out that she should be the payout at a much lower VP level - she's pretty close to "really good SR" territory).
I'll welcome any reduced competition for Boots for those who take a pass entirely in protest over GoE, though :-)
Okay thanks. I should have the capability to reach her threshold easily.
Unsure and fishing for an answer, so thank you! I've been up around 90 but since the calculation is a variant of a sigmoid function, I knew it would take a bit higher stats to get up around there.
Also I pulled out my old spreadsheets with the calculations for converting skill to mission success, and to get up to 95% the average skills for each shuttle would have to be about 2685.
While I agree that this is completely unfair for newer or more casual players, and they should of made the pts needed more attainable. I personally can score 400k fairly easy, mainly cause I have no life;) and I do need another star on her, so there are some people out there that do need her who can achieve it.
I think its more a money grab for DB, raise the pt value of everything, so that people will buy more of those shuttle coin things ;p
Of course, as usual, the excellent players on this forum rapidly sussed out the unintended consequences. Hopefully DB will take this into consideration next time and put the next free 5* into a more appropriate row in the table, even if it requires a little extra coding.
I know, right? Sure, it’s probably there because he is not in uniform but the scene they used to create his artwork where he’s lounging around in midair while his captain struggles to climb a mountain adds a level of hilarity to this trait that is refreshing.
Too bad the event has been poisoned by DB’s greed and/or laziness.
When I said I was getting a George Jetson vibe from him, one of my fleetmates said this Spock actually reminded him of a certain other 1960s TV character, and thus I decided to "make it so"...
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
Except that they extended the rewards table again, very shortly after changing it in the first place. They called it Polywater Yar a couple months back.
And they also gave out wrong info about the new rewards in the first place. They wrote that the 1500 honor would be at 215k VP and then they replaced the 1k merits with the 1500 honor at 250k VP instead.
Aw man, as one of your squad it saddens me to see you say all this. As a relatively new player I should naturally be in a position to want to try lift your mood, sadly I can't even force myself to attempt that.
Why? Because I agree with you.... Seriously mate don't give them another penny.
Also don't feel the need to spend real money to give us in your squad the best you can manage every week to share. I for one fully support you.
I have been playing for 3 months as a dolphin, now dB need to regain my trust if they want another penny from me.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
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