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  • S31S31 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2018
    Archer has a cult following on this forum so be careful when you write "Stupid Archer".
  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    HaBlack wrote: »
    HaBlack wrote: »
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    By the way, would there anywhere in this event be Cadet First Class Nicholas Locarno ?

    Then there would be ten "Why can't every Tom Paris get the Bonus?" Threads......

    Well, Nicholas Locarno is NOT Paris, so should not get any related bonus. But considering he appeared in only one episode and is so obscure to many people (I think most people think it is Paris when they see that episode), he qualifies to be legendary character.

    He is doppelganger of Tom Paris, maybe... we could even get Borg version of him, from ST novella: Revenant. That version could hae samo interesting traits.

    People would still want Paris to get the Bonus. It's like when Mayweather's mother was in the Event and people expected Ensign Mayweather to be Bonus.........


    I guess the joke comment was kind of obscure......
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  • Zetterbeard Zetterbeard ✭✭✭✭✭
    How is Voyager production team greedy that way? Most of em were the same people. They borrowed Q a dozen times for God's sake, you'd figure a main cast member would get some attention. It wasn't a rip off, just using writing tools.

    The TNG ep "The First Duty" was written by Ronald Moore and Naren Shankar not Rick Berman, Michael Piller and Jeri Taylor that created Voyager. They did not want to pay Moore and Shankar for the character they created:
    "Robert Duncan McNeill (Nicholas Locarno) later played Tom Paris on Star Trek: Voyager, a character partly based on Locarno. It was hoped that Locarno himself would be a character on Voyager, but when it was realized that such a decision would mean that the writers of this episode would receive royalties for each Voyager episode, it was deemed cost-prohibitive and the character was adjusted to become Tom Paris." http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_First_Duty_(episode)

    You forgot to paste in the 'citation needed' that appears straight after that text.
    That is the citation, I got that from the memory alpha page. Down towards the bottom of the page. I erased the citation needed part and just posted the link to the page. It seemed sufficient if not as precise.

    What? The Memory Alpha page has a citation needed link right after the text you pasted, meaning it has about as much legitimacy as you saying 'some bloke down the pub told me...'
    I cited memory alpha page. Where they compiled their info from I cannot say. We do know that the creators of Voyager did not create the character of Locarno in the TNG ep "The First Duty." The writers of that episode, Roger Moore and Naren Shankar would have likely been entitled to compensation for the use of their character in Voyager. I think it is a reasonable assumption that Locarno was changed to Paris to prevent this. Not sure how you would prove that Locarno was changed to Paris because Berman did not want to pay Moore and Shankar for the Locarno character they created except from Berman himself who would not admit to such a thing. I have found Memory Alpha to be accurate but I cited the page so people could read it for themselves and make their own determination.

    lol, ok. Some guy wrote it, therefore it's true.

    For the record, I think what they say is likely true, but that page is no proof of that.

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    That's great lol.
  • FlemmingFlemming ✭✭✭✭✭
    How is Voyager production team greedy that way? Most of em were the same people. They borrowed Q a dozen times for God's sake, you'd figure a main cast member would get some attention. It wasn't a rip off, just using writing tools.

    The TNG ep "The First Duty" was written by Ronald Moore and Naren Shankar not Rick Berman, Michael Piller and Jeri Taylor that created Voyager. They did not want to pay Moore and Shankar for the character they created:
    "Robert Duncan McNeill (Nicholas Locarno) later played Tom Paris on Star Trek: Voyager, a character partly based on Locarno. It was hoped that Locarno himself would be a character on Voyager, but when it was realized that such a decision would mean that the writers of this episode would receive royalties for each Voyager episode, it was deemed cost-prohibitive and the character was adjusted to become Tom Paris." http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_First_Duty_(episode)

    You forgot to paste in the 'citation needed' that appears straight after that text.
    That is the citation, I got that from the memory alpha page. Down towards the bottom of the page. I erased the citation needed part and just posted the link to the page. It seemed sufficient if not as precise.

    What? The Memory Alpha page has a citation needed link right after the text you pasted, meaning it has about as much legitimacy as you saying 'some bloke down the pub told me...'
    I cited memory alpha page. Where they compiled their info from I cannot say. We do know that the creators of Voyager did not create the character of Locarno in the TNG ep "The First Duty." The writers of that episode, Roger Moore and Naren Shankar would have likely been entitled to compensation for the use of their character in Voyager. I think it is a reasonable assumption that Locarno was changed to Paris to prevent this. Not sure how you would prove that Locarno was changed to Paris because Berman did not want to pay Moore and Shankar for the Locarno character they created except from Berman himself who would not admit to such a thing. I have found Memory Alpha to be accurate but I cited the page so people could read it for themselves and make their own determination.

    lol, ok. Some guy wrote it, therefore it's true.

    For the record, I think what they say is likely true, but that page is no proof of that.

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    That's great lol.

    This is a gross simplificiation of Robert Reich.
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  • DavideBooksDavideBooks ✭✭✭✭✭
    S31 wrote: »
    Archer has a cult following on this forum so be careful when you write "Stupid Archer".

    I don't know about cult following. I really like him, but I recognize that most don't. And that's ok. Y'all can believe whatever you like. I won't lose sleep over anything posted here. Archer is the most hated-on captain in the forums, but has the fewest defenders, even if one or two are a little fanatical. Burnham is perhaps the second most hated-on but has way more fanatics. Janeway has a similar issue. None of them are as bad as people say.
  • Wildstar19Wildstar19 ✭✭✭✭
    S31 wrote: »
    Archer has a cult following on this forum so be careful when you write "Stupid Archer".

    So people can't like a character without being considered a "cultist." Maybe we need to redefine what "stupid" means?

    Love to hear your favorites, see how they stand up to your own low standard.
    Hurry up before those things eat Guy!
  • S31S31 ✭✭✭✭✭
    S31 wrote: »
    Archer has a cult following on this forum so be careful when you write "Stupid Archer".

    So people can't like a character without being considered a "cultist." Maybe we need to redefine what "stupid" means?

    Love to hear your favorites, see how they stand up to your own low standard.

    I am an Archer cultists!

    Jesus Christ I wanted to say how there are a bunch of people on forum who like Archer really much but someone has to find a way to get offended by it. :/
  • Wildstar19Wildstar19 ✭✭✭✭
    S31 wrote: »
    S31 wrote: »
    Archer has a cult following on this forum so be careful when you write "Stupid Archer".

    So people can't like a character without being considered a "cultist." Maybe we need to redefine what "stupid" means?

    Love to hear your favorites, see how they stand up to your own low standard.

    I am an Archer cultists!

    Jesus Christ I wanted to say how there are a bunch of people on forum who like Archer really much but someone has to find a way to get offended by it. :/

    My apologies then. I mistook your sarcasm for piling on. But why bring Jesus into it? I'm sure He likes Archer also; and you 😉
    Hurry up before those things eat Guy!
  • S31 wrote: »
    Archer has a cult following on this forum so be careful when you write "Stupid Archer".

    LOL thanks man
    and I don't care :)
  • S31 wrote: »
    Archer has a cult following on this forum so be careful when you write "Stupid Archer".

    So people can't like a character without being considered a "cultist." Maybe we need to redefine what "stupid" means?

    Love to hear your favorites, see how they stand up to your own low standard.

    Was that for S3 or me?

    Regardless I know lot of people like him and that's fine. I respect your opinion to like him and I expect people to respect mine that I dislike him

    I've already stated I thought Picard and Janeway were better. Better actors who played their roles very well. Janeway even made some stupid decisions, thanks bad Voyager writers, but she wasn't as irritating as Sisko. I just was never a fan of Archer and I am a Scott Bakula fan. $100 says the women who like Archer is because Bakula is handsome.
  • V.V. ✭✭✭✭
    aww I was going to do this event for an Archer but his face is jacked. Looks like the upper half of his face is from a photo but the lower half got busted with a sledgehammer then rebuilt. poopie.
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  • IkritIkrit ✭✭✭
    I hope it isn't the case that because reward Archer has Med, we'll see Med nodes in the expedition next week. There are other 4 crew with the Pilot trait that have Med, from what I can tell:

    2* Nurse Paris
    4* Mutated Paris
    4* RAF Bashir
    5* Delta Flyer Paris

    Of the 4, only RAF Bashir has a strong Med stat. For course, they could have someone else with Med as event crew.
  • Zetterbeard Zetterbeard ✭✭✭✭✭
    We need a nickname for this Archer.
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    Peyote Archer? Woodland Hermit Archer?
  • *Nomad* {PoF}*Nomad* {PoF} ✭✭✭✭✭
    S31 wrote: »
    Archer has a cult following on this forum so be careful when you write "Stupid Archer".

    So people can't like a character without being considered a "cultist." Maybe we need to redefine what "stupid" means?

    Love to hear your favorites, see how they stand up to your own low standard.

    Was that for S3 or me?

    Regardless I know lot of people like him and that's fine. I respect your opinion to like him and I expect people to respect mine that I dislike him

    I've already stated I thought Picard and Janeway were better. Better actors who played their roles very well. Janeway even made some stupid decisions, thanks bad Voyager writers, but she wasn't as irritating as Sisko. I just was never a fan of Archer and I am a Scott Bakula fan. $100 says the women who like Archer is because Bakula is handsome.

    I’ve given Enterprise a lot of thought and came to the following conclusions

    1) From a production standpoint, Bakula did not act up to the level he’s had in other works. It felt forced and wooden at times and maybe he was hired more on name recognition than anything else. Of the rest of the cast, most either weren’t that good (Jolene Blalock) or were criminally underused (Linda Park and Anthony Montgomery). I personally didn’t mind the performances of Connor Trineer or Dominic Keating, though I recognize not everyone feels the same, and felt that only really John Billingsley hit it out of the park among the main cast. Guest stars were maybe a mixed bag but other than the obvious ones (such as Jeffrey Combs) I nominate Fionnula Flanagan’s portrayal of Ambassador V’Lar as one of my favorites - the rare Vulcan who seems almost excited to be around humans.

    2) The writing deserves a separate note. It was real hit or miss in the first two seasons before hitting its stride in the third. The fourth season was obviously more tilted towards fan service and tying up loose ends from previous shows but the two- or three-episode story arcs was a nice balance between the syndication heaven that was TOS/TNG/VOY and an interconnected story like DS9 had in its later seasons. The very last episode and loss of a fifth season are a real shame...we will forever wonder what they could have done differently.

    3) All that being said, I think the performances actually kind of made sense for the time period of the show. Starfleet is a newborn calf trying to reach out beyond a very small area of space that has been colonized or is involved in trade with Earth. As someone pointed out, Archer is a test pilot turned captain, an explorer rather than a diplomat - a 22nd century Neil Armstrong, if you will. Of course he is going to need time to learn the fine art of diplomacy, particularly with the Vulcans that he harbors a certain level of resentment towards. Likewise for T’Pol, she is arrogant and aloof towards humans and needs time to warm up to them. Trip represents a more backwards way of Earth thinking, trying to apply human logic/customs/values to everyone he meets even after this attitude backfires on him. Malcolm is a very private, closed-off person (even from his family) and is perhaps a little hidebound to his sense of honor and duty. The ship’s original mission, Starfleet, and United Earth in general are all just making it up as they go along. There are no starbases, subspace communications networks, or supporting ambassadors/ships/scientists to rely on...they’re fortunate to have even had Phlox there to be the ship’s doctor. Archer’s exploits make Kirk look like Picard because they should do so; with that in mind, I find it easier to appreciate the show as a whole than I originally did.

    Just a comment on point 1: Scott was chosen not because he was thought to be the best person for the role, but rather because it was thought at the time that he would "bring a legion of fans" from Quantum Leap to the Star Trek universe. I still have the original TV Guide (remember those?) with the Enterprise on the cover with several articles about the show (pre-release) which discusses this. From the very start, they were hedging their bets....... In any event, not my place to judge who likes what, if you like ENT great! If you don't that's great too (and if you don't, make sure you don't play this weekend :wink:
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  • S31 wrote: »
    Archer has a cult following on this forum so be careful when you write "Stupid Archer".

    So people can't like a character without being considered a "cultist." Maybe we need to redefine what "stupid" means?

    Love to hear your favorites, see how they stand up to your own low standard.

    Was that for S3 or me?

    Regardless I know lot of people like him and that's fine. I respect your opinion to like him and I expect people to respect mine that I dislike him

    I've already stated I thought Picard and Janeway were better. Better actors who played their roles very well. Janeway even made some stupid decisions, thanks bad Voyager writers, but she wasn't as irritating as Sisko. I just was never a fan of Archer and I am a Scott Bakula fan. $100 says the women who like Archer is because Bakula is handsome.

    I’ve given Enterprise a lot of thought and came to the following conclusions

    1) From a production standpoint, Bakula did not act up to the level he’s had in other works. It felt forced and wooden at times and maybe he was hired more on name recognition than anything else. Of the rest of the cast, most either weren’t that good (Jolene Blalock) or were criminally underused (Linda Park and Anthony Montgomery). I personally didn’t mind the performances of Connor Trineer or Dominic Keating, though I recognize not everyone feels the same, and felt that only really John Billingsley hit it out of the park among the main cast. Guest stars were maybe a mixed bag but other than the obvious ones (such as Jeffrey Combs) I nominate Fionnula Flanagan’s portrayal of Ambassador V’Lar as one of my favorites - the rare Vulcan who seems almost excited to be around humans.

    2) The writing deserves a separate note. It was real hit or miss in the first two seasons before hitting its stride in the third. The fourth season was obviously more tilted towards fan service and tying up loose ends from previous shows but the two- or three-episode story arcs was a nice balance between the syndication heaven that was TOS/TNG/VOY and an interconnected story like DS9 had in its later seasons. The very last episode and loss of a fifth season are a real shame...we will forever wonder what they could have done differently.

    3) All that being said, I think the performances actually kind of made sense for the time period of the show. Starfleet is a newborn calf trying to reach out beyond a very small area of space that has been colonized or is involved in trade with Earth. As someone pointed out, Archer is a test pilot turned captain, an explorer rather than a diplomat - a 22nd century Neil Armstrong, if you will. Of course he is going to need time to learn the fine art of diplomacy, particularly with the Vulcans that he harbors a certain level of resentment towards. Likewise for T’Pol, she is arrogant and aloof towards humans and needs time to warm up to them. Trip represents a more backwards way of Earth thinking, trying to apply human logic/customs/values to everyone he meets even after this attitude backfires on him. Malcolm is a very private, closed-off person (even from his family) and is perhaps a little hidebound to his sense of honor and duty. The ship’s original mission, Starfleet, and United Earth in general are all just making it up as they go along. There are no starbases, subspace communications networks, or supporting ambassadors/ships/scientists to rely on...they’re fortunate to have even had Phlox there to be the ship’s doctor. Archer’s exploits make Kirk look like Picard because they should do so; with that in mind, I find it easier to appreciate the show as a whole than I originally did.

    Good points buddy

    damn they gave Archer med trait! SMH Terribly artwork though.

    I'm gonna push back on this event and just do thresholds.

    I actually don't need this Archer
  • Lady GaghgaghLady Gaghgagh ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is the artwork I was hoping for, though I’d have preferred him standing for best visuals :p

    I am quite surprised they gave him MED as a secondary though. Surprised, but thrilled. I love seeing versions of characters who have skills not typically expected. MED is something I definitely never expected in Archer, but it is reasonable enough since this version is from and episode where he assists Phlox quite a lot.

    Now all we need is an Archer with SCI and he’ll span all 6 skills across his versions. I will try my hardest for this card though.
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  • Zetterbeard Zetterbeard ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is the artwork I was hoping for, though I’d have preferred him standing for best visuals :p

    I am quite surprised they gave him MED as a secondary though. Surprised, but thrilled. I love seeing versions of characters who have skills not typically expected. MED is something I definitely never expected in Archer, but it is reasonable enough since this version is from and episode where he assists Phlox quite a lot.

    Now all we need is an Archer with SCI and he’ll span all 6 skills across his versions. I will try my hardest for this card though.

    Best of luck Gaghgagh. I will certainly be getting this card.
  • Matt_DeckerMatt_Decker ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ikrit wrote: »
    I hope it isn't the case that because reward Archer has Med, we'll see Med nodes in the expedition next week. There are other 4 crew with the Pilot trait that have Med, from what I can tell:

    2* Nurse Paris
    4* Mutated Paris
    4* RAF Bashir
    5* Delta Flyer Paris

    Of the 4, only RAF Bashir has a strong Med stat. For course, they could have someone else with Med as event crew.

    Combat Medic Paris will also have bonus since, although not a pilot, all versions of Paris have bonus this event.
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  • Captain QCaptain Q ✭✭✭
    edited December 2018
    Maybe we need to redefine what "stupid" means?

    Could you, um, do a Google search for "idiot" and click on the pictures tab? The answer may just be there... :D>:)
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  • Captain Q wrote: »
    Maybe we need to redefine what "stupid" means?

    Could you, um, do a Google search for "idiot" and click on the pictures tab? The answer may just be there... :D>:)

    Pleeeease keep politics off the forum
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  • Two new pilots including an Archer, great artwork, appropriate stats. Thank you DB.
  • (HGH)Apollo(HGH)Apollo ✭✭✭✭✭
    Weird that DB made Admiral Paris blah in the stat region. Seems like every three skill super rare in the last six months has horrible stats. No point in having three skills on super rares if it will knock off hundreds of points from their primary and secondary skills to add a very low tertiary skill. People will just freeze Admiral Paris just like they froze Admiral Ross and others and never bring them out of cryo. At least give him a "diplomat" trait so he can help with cryo collections.
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  • HaBlackHaBlack ✭✭✭✭✭
    Weird that DB made Admiral Paris blah in the stat region. Seems like every three skill super rare in the last six months has horrible stats. No point in having three skills on super rares if it will knock off hundreds of points from their primary and secondary skills to add a very low tertiary skill. People will just freeze Admiral Paris just like they froze Admiral Ross and others and never bring them out of cryo. At least give him a "diplomat" trait so he can help with cryo collections.

    Maybe there will some event where all admirals will give bonus, after all there are nine of them so far
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  • Zetterbeard Zetterbeard ✭✭✭✭✭
    Weird that DB made Admiral Paris blah in the stat region. Seems like every three skill super rare in the last six months has horrible stats. No point in having three skills on super rares if it will knock off hundreds of points from their primary and secondary skills to add a very low tertiary skill. People will just freeze Admiral Paris just like they froze Admiral Ross and others and never bring them out of cryo. At least give him a "diplomat" trait so he can help with cryo collections.

    I'm not seeing the issue with Admiral Paris. His stats are decent. Not every new crew member has to be top crew.
  • (HGH)Apollo(HGH)Apollo ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2018
    Weird that DB made Admiral Paris blah in the stat region. Seems like every three skill super rare in the last six months has horrible stats. No point in having three skills on super rares if it will knock off hundreds of points from their primary and secondary skills to add a very low tertiary skill. People will just freeze Admiral Paris just like they froze Admiral Ross and others and never bring them out of cryo. At least give him a "diplomat" trait so he can help with cryo collections.

    I'm not seeing the issue with Admiral Paris. His stats are decent. Not every new crew member has to be top crew.
    I looked at his stats again and I guess they are okay. I would just like to see some unique super rares again, whether it be unusual traits, interesting proficency in a skill, or good enough stats to be usable for people who already have super rares. With DB making legendaries harder and harder to get in events it would be good for DB to revamp the super rares. Make some unique super rares, make some good super rares. They don't have to all be good or amazing but I would like it if any of them were.
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