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  • IkritIkrit ✭✭✭
    Ikrit wrote: »
    I hope it isn't the case that because reward Archer has Med, we'll see Med nodes in the expedition next week. There are other 4 crew with the Pilot trait that have Med, from what I can tell:

    2* Nurse Paris
    4* Mutated Paris
    4* RAF Bashir
    5* Delta Flyer Paris

    Of the 4, only RAF Bashir has a strong Med stat. For course, they could have someone else with Med as event crew.

    Combat Medic Paris will also have bonus since, although not a pilot, all versions of Paris have bonus this event.

    I'm looking at next week's hybrid skirmish/expedition. I'm sure that there will be a Med node that we will have to hit in the expedition, either for the bonus VP or as a required node (like the first node, or a middle one all paths must pass). If there aren't extra bonus crew next week with Med (like a Beverly Crusher or an unusual variant of a non-Med crew, like Humbled Archer is), then that makes forming a team to tackle the Med node's mission more difficult.

    Contrast that with Galaxy or Faction events, where you have a choice to run a mission with a Med slot or not. If there is a shuttle with a Med slot and you don't have RAF Bashir or Combat Medic Paris, you are probably going to skip it.
  • Dirk GundersonDirk Gunderson ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ikrit wrote: »
    Ikrit wrote: »
    I hope it isn't the case that because reward Archer has Med, we'll see Med nodes in the expedition next week. There are other 4 crew with the Pilot trait that have Med, from what I can tell:

    2* Nurse Paris
    4* Mutated Paris
    4* RAF Bashir
    5* Delta Flyer Paris

    Of the 4, only RAF Bashir has a strong Med stat. For course, they could have someone else with Med as event crew.

    Combat Medic Paris will also have bonus since, although not a pilot, all versions of Paris have bonus this event.

    I'm looking at next week's hybrid skirmish/expedition. I'm sure that there will be a Med node that we will have to hit in the expedition, either for the bonus VP or as a required node (like the first node, or a middle one all paths must pass). If there aren't extra bonus crew next week with Med (like a Beverly Crusher or an unusual variant of a non-Med crew, like Humbled Archer is), then that makes forming a team to tackle the Med node's mission more difficult.

    Contrast that with Galaxy or Faction events, where you have a choice to run a mission with a Med slot or not. If there is a shuttle with a Med slot and you don't have RAF Bashir or Combat Medic Paris, you are probably going to skip it.

    I guess I'm just not that bothered by this. It’s an extra, what, 500 VP per however many nodes DB sets up this way for the 1000 people who earn Archer in this event and however many others get him from event packs? If it were a pure Expedition I might be a little more put off but the bulk of the points I intend on scoring will be in the Skirmish half of the event.
  • Matt_DeckerMatt_Decker ✭✭✭✭✭
    HaBlack wrote: »
    Weird that DB made Admiral Paris blah in the stat region. Seems like every three skill super rare in the last six months has horrible stats. No point in having three skills on super rares if it will knock off hundreds of points from their primary and secondary skills to add a very low tertiary skill. People will just freeze Admiral Paris just like they froze Admiral Ross and others and never bring them out of cryo. At least give him a "diplomat" trait so he can help with cryo collections.

    Maybe there will some event where all admirals will give bonus, after all there are nine of them so far

    Great idea. They could also do a broader event with flag officers, capturing any Starfleet commodores as well as Klingon generals, etc.
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  • DeanWins wrote: »
    Once I got over the fact that Archer, was played by the guy from quantum leap ;p I actually began to like him.

    As a captain, I think he has some really good qualities. I think unlike Janeway, he is not ruled by his emotions, I think he is more chill and relaxed then Sisko, and I think hes a bit less rigid than Picard;) Oh and far less juvenile then Kirk.

    Thou I think all the captains have strengths, and like them for different reasons.

    Did you watch the same show I did? Archer was entirely ruled by his emotions. He was reactionary and juvenile. It’s a wonder he was ever chosen. His immediate desires overruled anything and everything. It was like a toddler was captain.
  • FlemmingFlemming ✭✭✭✭✭
    HaBlack wrote: »
    Weird that DB made Admiral Paris blah in the stat region. Seems like every three skill super rare in the last six months has horrible stats. No point in having three skills on super rares if it will knock off hundreds of points from their primary and secondary skills to add a very low tertiary skill. People will just freeze Admiral Paris just like they froze Admiral Ross and others and never bring them out of cryo. At least give him a "diplomat" trait so he can help with cryo collections.

    Maybe there will some event where all admirals will give bonus, after all there are nine of them so far

    Great idea. They could also do a broader event with flag officers, capturing any Starfleet commodores as well as Klingon generals, etc.

    A Flag Officer Collection you say?
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  • (HGH)Apollo(HGH)Apollo ✭✭✭✭✭
    Flemming wrote: »
    HaBlack wrote: »
    Weird that DB made Admiral Paris blah in the stat region. Seems like every three skill super rare in the last six months has horrible stats. No point in having three skills on super rares if it will knock off hundreds of points from their primary and secondary skills to add a very low tertiary skill. People will just freeze Admiral Paris just like they froze Admiral Ross and others and never bring them out of cryo. At least give him a "diplomat" trait so he can help with cryo collections.

    Maybe there will some event where all admirals will give bonus, after all there are nine of them so far

    Great idea. They could also do a broader event with flag officers, capturing any Starfleet commodores as well as Klingon generals, etc.

    A Flag Officer Collection you say?

    Or a Mega Event with Admirals and Emperors.
    Let’s fly!
  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    Flemming wrote: »
    How is Voyager production team greedy that way? Most of em were the same people. They borrowed Q a dozen times for God's sake, you'd figure a main cast member would get some attention. It wasn't a rip off, just using writing tools.

    The TNG ep "The First Duty" was written by Ronald Moore and Naren Shankar not Rick Berman, Michael Piller and Jeri Taylor that created Voyager. They did not want to pay Moore and Shankar for the character they created:
    "Robert Duncan McNeill (Nicholas Locarno) later played Tom Paris on Star Trek: Voyager, a character partly based on Locarno. It was hoped that Locarno himself would be a character on Voyager, but when it was realized that such a decision would mean that the writers of this episode would receive royalties for each Voyager episode, it was deemed cost-prohibitive and the character was adjusted to become Tom Paris." http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_First_Duty_(episode)

    You forgot to paste in the 'citation needed' that appears straight after that text.
    That is the citation, I got that from the memory alpha page. Down towards the bottom of the page. I erased the citation needed part and just posted the link to the page. It seemed sufficient if not as precise.

    What? The Memory Alpha page has a citation needed link right after the text you pasted, meaning it has about as much legitimacy as you saying 'some bloke down the pub told me...'
    I cited memory alpha page. Where they compiled their info from I cannot say. We do know that the creators of Voyager did not create the character of Locarno in the TNG ep "The First Duty." The writers of that episode, Roger Moore and Naren Shankar would have likely been entitled to compensation for the use of their character in Voyager. I think it is a reasonable assumption that Locarno was changed to Paris to prevent this. Not sure how you would prove that Locarno was changed to Paris because Berman did not want to pay Moore and Shankar for the Locarno character they created except from Berman himself who would not admit to such a thing. I have found Memory Alpha to be accurate but I cited the page so people could read it for themselves and make their own determination.

    lol, ok. Some guy wrote it, therefore it's true.

    For the record, I think what they say is likely true, but that page is no proof of that.

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    That's great lol.

    This is a gross simplificiation of Robert Reich.
    Flemming wrote: »
    How is Voyager production team greedy that way? Most of em were the same people. They borrowed Q a dozen times for God's sake, you'd figure a main cast member would get some attention. It wasn't a rip off, just using writing tools.

    The TNG ep "The First Duty" was written by Ronald Moore and Naren Shankar not Rick Berman, Michael Piller and Jeri Taylor that created Voyager. They did not want to pay Moore and Shankar for the character they created:
    "Robert Duncan McNeill (Nicholas Locarno) later played Tom Paris on Star Trek: Voyager, a character partly based on Locarno. It was hoped that Locarno himself would be a character on Voyager, but when it was realized that such a decision would mean that the writers of this episode would receive royalties for each Voyager episode, it was deemed cost-prohibitive and the character was adjusted to become Tom Paris." http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_First_Duty_(episode)

    You forgot to paste in the 'citation needed' that appears straight after that text.
    That is the citation, I got that from the memory alpha page. Down towards the bottom of the page. I erased the citation needed part and just posted the link to the page. It seemed sufficient if not as precise.

    What? The Memory Alpha page has a citation needed link right after the text you pasted, meaning it has about as much legitimacy as you saying 'some bloke down the pub told me...'
    I cited memory alpha page. Where they compiled their info from I cannot say. We do know that the creators of Voyager did not create the character of Locarno in the TNG ep "The First Duty." The writers of that episode, Roger Moore and Naren Shankar would have likely been entitled to compensation for the use of their character in Voyager. I think it is a reasonable assumption that Locarno was changed to Paris to prevent this. Not sure how you would prove that Locarno was changed to Paris because Berman did not want to pay Moore and Shankar for the Locarno character they created except from Berman himself who would not admit to such a thing. I have found Memory Alpha to be accurate but I cited the page so people could read it for themselves and make their own determination.

    lol, ok. Some guy wrote it, therefore it's true.

    For the record, I think what they say is likely true, but that page is no proof of that.

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    That's great lol.

    This is a gross simplificiation of Robert Reich.

    Made me use Google!!!!!!!
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  • FlemmingFlemming ✭✭✭✭✭
    Made me use Google!!!!!!!

    Sometimes the best punchlines need research.

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  • DeanWinsDeanWins ✭✭✭✭
    DeanWins wrote: »
    Once I got over the fact that Archer, was played by the guy from quantum leap ;p I actually began to like him.

    As a captain, I think he has some really good qualities. I think unlike Janeway, he is not ruled by his emotions, I think he is more chill and relaxed then Sisko, and I think hes a bit less rigid than Picard;) Oh and far less juvenile then Kirk.

    Thou I think all the captains have strengths, and like them for different reasons.

    Did you watch the same show I did? Archer was entirely ruled by his emotions. He was reactionary and juvenile. It’s a wonder he was ever chosen. His immediate desires overruled anything and everything. It was like a toddler was captain.

    Actually watched it twice;) I found him the least reactionary of all the captains so guess well have to agree to disagree? Unlike Janeway he didn't throw everyone in the brig that disagreed with him lol. Or your name sake sisko? I don't think anyone could get more emotional, unstable or "reactionary" as he got ;p
  • (HGH)Apollo(HGH)Apollo ✭✭✭✭✭
    DeanWins wrote: »
    DeanWins wrote: »
    Once I got over the fact that Archer, was played by the guy from quantum leap ;p I actually began to like him.

    As a captain, I think he has some really good qualities. I think unlike Janeway, he is not ruled by his emotions, I think he is more chill and relaxed then Sisko, and I think hes a bit less rigid than Picard;) Oh and far less juvenile then Kirk.

    Thou I think all the captains have strengths, and like them for different reasons.

    Did you watch the same show I did? Archer was entirely ruled by his emotions. He was reactionary and juvenile. It’s a wonder he was ever chosen. His immediate desires overruled anything and everything. It was like a toddler was captain.

    Actually watched it twice;) I found him the least reactionary of all the captains so guess well have to agree to disagree? Unlike Janeway he didn't throw everyone in the brig that disagreed with him lol. Or your name sake sisko? I don't think anyone could get more emotional, unstable or "reactionary" as he got ;p
    Sisko was half god. He saved the whole alpha quadrant from the dominion threat. He saved the whole galaxy from being set on fire by the Pah Wraiths. And he makes a mean jumbalaya.
    Let’s fly!
  • DeanWinsDeanWins ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2018
    DeanWins wrote: »
    DeanWins wrote: »
    Once I got over the fact that Archer, was played by the guy from quantum leap ;p I actually began to like him.

    As a captain, I think he has some really good qualities. I think unlike Janeway, he is not ruled by his emotions, I think he is more chill and relaxed then Sisko, and I think hes a bit less rigid than Picard;) Oh and far less juvenile then Kirk.

    Thou I think all the captains have strengths, and like them for different reasons.

    Did you watch the same show I did? Archer was entirely ruled by his emotions. He was reactionary and juvenile. It’s a wonder he was ever chosen. His immediate desires overruled anything and everything. It was like a toddler was captain.

    Actually watched it twice;) I found him the least reactionary of all the captains so guess well have to agree to disagree? Unlike Janeway he didn't throw everyone in the brig that disagreed with him lol. Or your name sake sisko? I don't think anyone could get more emotional, unstable or "reactionary" as he got ;p
    Sisko was half god. He saved the whole alpha quadrant from the dominion threat. He saved the whole galaxy from being set on fire by the Pah Wraiths. And he makes a mean jumbalaya.

    Ok? what does that have to do with him being emotional or reactionary:) which he was both..

    And given all the encounters all the captains made, haven't they all saved the alpha quadrant/galaxy one time or another.
  • TaskerTasker ✭✭✭
    Nerfball6 wrote: »
    das411 wrote: »

    or getting beaten up by Worf Sito?

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    I thought that was 50 shades of Klingon Sito.

    I’m... having some strange feelings here.
  • Matt_DeckerMatt_Decker ✭✭✭✭✭
    Flemming wrote: »
    HaBlack wrote: »
    Weird that DB made Admiral Paris blah in the stat region. Seems like every three skill super rare in the last six months has horrible stats. No point in having three skills on super rares if it will knock off hundreds of points from their primary and secondary skills to add a very low tertiary skill. People will just freeze Admiral Paris just like they froze Admiral Ross and others and never bring them out of cryo. At least give him a "diplomat" trait so he can help with cryo collections.

    Maybe there will some event where all admirals will give bonus, after all there are nine of them so far

    Great idea. They could also do a broader event with flag officers, capturing any Starfleet commodores as well as Klingon generals, etc.

    A Flag Officer Collection you say?

    Indeed! Thanks for linking back to my earlier post.
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  • (HGH)Apollo(HGH)Apollo ✭✭✭✭✭
    DeanWins wrote: »
    DeanWins wrote: »
    DeanWins wrote: »
    Once I got over the fact that Archer, was played by the guy from quantum leap ;p I actually began to like him.

    As a captain, I think he has some really good qualities. I think unlike Janeway, he is not ruled by his emotions, I think he is more chill and relaxed then Sisko, and I think hes a bit less rigid than Picard;) Oh and far less juvenile then Kirk.

    Thou I think all the captains have strengths, and like them for different reasons.

    Did you watch the same show I did? Archer was entirely ruled by his emotions. He was reactionary and juvenile. It’s a wonder he was ever chosen. His immediate desires overruled anything and everything. It was like a toddler was captain.

    Actually watched it twice;) I found him the least reactionary of all the captains so guess well have to agree to disagree? Unlike Janeway he didn't throw everyone in the brig that disagreed with him lol. Or your name sake sisko? I don't think anyone could get more emotional, unstable or "reactionary" as he got ;p
    Sisko was half god. He saved the whole alpha quadrant from the dominion threat. He saved the whole galaxy from being set on fire by the Pah Wraiths. And he makes a mean jumbalaya.

    Ok? what does that have to do with him being emotional or reactionary:) which he was both..

    And given all the encounters all the captains made, haven't they all saved the alpha quadrant/galaxy one time or another.

    Sisko is awesome! Not sure why you say he was emotional and reactionary. Sisko was able to negotiate with many gamma quadrant species, build a solid relationship with a skeptical Bajoran people angry at the Federation, negotiate a treaty with the non linear Prophets multiple times, use strategy and get Worf assigned to Deep Space Nine when the Klingons were becoming aggressive, stop the Klingons from killing the innocent Cardassian government members that were not changlings as the Klingons contended, fought the klingons when necessary but was still able to make them allies in the end. And during the Dominion war Sisko had the intelligence and wisdom to see the war with the Dominion coming, make preparations, mine the wormhole, fight for DS9 as long as possible and use the distraction of the fight for the station to score a federation victory elsewhere. Sisko then led the war effort, overseeing tactics and fleet movements, retook Deep Space Nine, got the Romulans to join the war, and won the war. Many times Sisko should cleverness and foresight. Sisko was no more emotional than any of the captains. Archer yelled at Vulcan High Council on multiple occasions, insulted his first officer T'pol numerous times, ignored her advice many times with his childish attitude, got into many scrapes because he liked exploring more than thinking, and tortured someone.
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  • Look, Ben Sisko is my captain. I love the guy. But "calm and collected" he ain't. Archer was guided by his feelings more than his thoughts, but his demeanor was fairly chill.

    Anyway, can we talk about how we're scarcely an hour into the event and this is the top of the leaderboard?

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  • HaBlackHaBlack ✭✭✭✭✭
    Look, Ben Sisko is my captain. I love the guy. But "calm and collected" he ain't. Archer was guided by his feelings more than his thoughts, but his demeanor was fairly chill.

    Anyway, can we talk about how we're scarcely an hour into the event and this is the top of the leaderboard?

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    That is some huge amount of boosts and really quick tapping!
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  • Zetterbeard Zetterbeard ✭✭✭✭✭
    Look, Ben Sisko is my captain. I love the guy. But "calm and collected" he ain't. Archer was guided by his feelings more than his thoughts, but his demeanor was fairly chill.

    Anyway, can we talk about how we're scarcely an hour into the event and this is the top of the leaderboard?

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    I'm calling shenanigans on that.
  • Probably a staff member

    There was a staff member who had quite alot of "first to level" until he was called out on it.
  • FlayFlay ✭✭✭
    if someone is willing to pay lots of cash to win an event, it might actually be a good idea to discourage other people from doing the same right at the beginning of the event. Maybe he will save a month's salary before the event is over if other people don't try to match it.
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  • Paladin 27Paladin 27 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2018
    Flay wrote: »
    if someone is willing to pay lots of cash to win an event, it might actually be a good idea to discourage other people from doing the same right at the beginning of the event. Maybe he will save a month's salary before the event is over if other people don't try to match it.

    Somewhat true in a full faction event, but this is a hybrid and its a level 50 player. I can guarantee they don't have the items or chrons to win a hybrid.

    Regardless if someone wants to spend $100-$150 worth of 2x boosts and dil completes for a screenshot of a nice lead at the start of an event, who are we to argue with them.
  • DeanWinsDeanWins ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2018
    Look, Ben Sisko is my captain. I love the guy. But "calm and collected" he ain't. Archer was guided by his feelings more than his thoughts, but his demeanor was fairly chill.

    Anyway, can we talk about how we're scarcely an hour into the event and this is the top of the leaderboard?

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    Thank you, I am glad someone gets it;) I wasn't dissing Sisko, so the fanboys can relax, I was simply stating the obvious about his disposition and temperament..
  • Lady GaghgaghLady Gaghgagh ✭✭✭✭✭
    I love Sisko, but agreed, he actually loses his cool very easily and things escalate very quickly when he does. Two extremely prominent examples of this are how Sisko reacted to Eddington’s betrayal - being willing to seemingly go to galaxy’s end just to catch the guy cause he felt so wronged by him and took Eddington’s betrayal very personally, and how Sisko reacted to his own father when it was thought that a changeling spy might be on Earth - willing to almost throw his own father to the dogs due to his unyielding paranoia. There are numerous other examples though, but these two might be the top two unhinged Sisko moments.
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  • I love Sisko, but agreed, he actually loses his cool very easily and things escalate very quickly when he does. Two extremely prominent examples of this are how Sisko reacted to Eddington’s betrayal - being willing to seemingly go to galaxy’s end just to catch the guy cause he felt so wronged by him and took Eddington’s betrayal very personally, and how Sisko reacted to his own father when it was thought that a changeling spy might be on Earth - willing to almost throw his own father to the dogs due to his unyielding paranoia. There are numerous other examples though, but these two might be the top two unhinged Sisko moments.

    Wow that's not how I interpreted that scene with Sisko's father at all. I found his father so irritating! Sisko calmly demonstrated himself taking the test. I don't remember him being very unhinged. The most important person in Starfleet at a very dangerous time, has to be called to his father's restaurant because he's being irrational about a medical test being conducted on all Starfleet personnel and their families. You'd think his own father would be supportive of a decision his son made for the security of the planet.

    When "Homefront" and "Paradise Lost" originally aired, I admit I found myself siding more with Leyton, Sisko, and Odo. But then came 9/11 and I actually lived through the zeitgeist of a paranoid society, and now Joseph Sisko is my hero. It's important that someone speak up and push back against paranoia-driven security measures, and I have a greater appreciation for how difficult it can be to be that person.

    DS9 had a handful of stories that I think have aged especially well, simply because they were ahead of real life. That's one of them.

    If I could “awesome” this twice, I would. We, the viewers, understand the threat the Changelings pose and are set up to wonder why Joseph is being so obstinate, rather than focus on the Gestapo-like tactics that are being forced on people in the name of “security.” We see it today, at least here in the States, with the TSA continuing to fondle children and grannies at airports or politicians pushing universal background checks for firearms purchases in the name of “safety” when both of those things have been proven time and again to be completely ineffective at actually protecting people. The urge to “do something” overrides all other concerns, at the expense of basic human rights...which you would hope wouldn’t still be the case in a future near-utopia as the Federation is often claimed to be.

    It's not too hard to imagine how threatening a "changeling" could be, who could look like anyone. I realize sometimes citizens don't understand how serious a threat is, but this type of enemy seems pretty easy to understand how incredibly dangerous and difficult to identify they would be, so I don't think it's a case where the tv series viewer understands the danger better.

    I'd say it's somewhat different from security measures after 9/11 because there's no medical test we could conduct to determine if someone is a potential terrorist. All we can do is monitor people's communications (and maybe combinations of purchases of potentially dangerous goods when combined) and hope they're dumb enough to discuss their intentions or beliefs. I don't care if airport security wants to search my body and bags every single time (and children, who have been used as mules or even bombs), I'm happy to cooperate to improve the odds of a safe flight.

    I'll refrain from discussing gun control too much as I don't want to move too far away from comparing modern circumstance to Star Trek, but I will say that doing nothing is not improving gun violence in the USA, which is a dramatically bigger problem than the rest of the developed world. I genuinely hope you do figure out something that works, because that's a terrible problem to have.
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