By the way, would there anywhere in this event be Cadet First Class Nicholas Locarno ?
Then there would be ten "Why can't every Tom Paris get the Bonus?" Threads......
Well, Nicholas Locarno is NOT Paris, so should not get any related bonus. But considering he appeared in only one episode and is so obscure to many people (I think most people think it is Paris when they see that episode), he qualifies to be legendary character.
He is doppelganger of Tom Paris, maybe... we could even get Borg version of him, from ST novella: Revenant. That version could hae samo interesting traits.
By the way, would there anywhere in this event be Cadet First Class Nicholas Locarno ?
this reminds me - can't we get a better 3* version of Sito, like an Ensign Sito?
or Undercover Sito
or getting beaten up by Worf Sito?
I'm down with this. In fact, it occurs to me seeing these pics that there are enough canon Sitos for 4/5 of one of @Female Klingon Q's rainbows. Maybe make a 1* non-canon version to complete the set. She could be Mirror Sito, a low-ranking officer in the KCA.
By the way, would there anywhere in this event be Cadet First Class Nicholas Locarno ?
Then there would be ten "Why can't every Tom Paris get the Bonus?" Threads......
Well, Nicholas Locarno is NOT Paris, so should not get any related bonus. But considering he appeared in only one episode and is so obscure to many people (I think most people think it is Paris when they see that episode), he qualifies to be legendary character.
He is doppelganger of Tom Paris, maybe... we could even get Borg version of him, from ST novella: Revenant. That version could hae samo interesting traits.
1) I was today years old when I realized Robert Duncan McNeill played both of those characters.
2) In a potential future Faction event where Cadet Nicholas Locarno is a special event crew and he is paired up with two other characters that maybe don’t have a lot of variants, I wouldn’t be mad if Paris variants counted as bonus crew. It would make less sense if Locarno were always a bonus crew during Paris events, however.
Realistically, the story they gave Paris for his "debacle with Starfleet" was much too close for comfort, to the effect of being an intentional tip of the hat by the writers. Paris never gave a direct explanation for the cause of his incarceration except to say that he made a huge mistake and, worse yet, he lied about it after the fact. Sounds a lot like Mr. Locarno.
Except for one critical point:
Janeway stated when she gave Tom a field commission that she was reinstating him to his most recent rank (Full Lieutenant). Locarno was dismissed from the academy as an ungraduated cadet.
The writers were honoring previous writers and slipping Robert Duncan McNeill into a familiar role that he could continue.
They didn't want to pay royalties for Locarno and that's how Tom Paris was invented.
Unofficial explanation is that they are cousins...
Yes exactly. Greedy jerks did not want to pay the writers of the tng episode so instead just ripped off their character, used the same actor, changed the name and kept the few dollars they would have given the creators of the character. Even in show about an ideal future there is greed.
Speaking of Paris, I’d like a version of him from The Chute. I like a good scruffy looking Paris. And that version would make a good CMD/SEC/MED combo of sorts or a SEC/MED/ENG combo.
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Speaking of Paris, I’d like a version of him from The Chute. I like a good scruffy looking Paris. And that version would make a good CMD/SEC/MED combo of sorts or a SEC/MED/ENG combo.
How about the Lieutenant Marseilles from the Voyager ep Author Author.
Speaking of Paris, I’d like a version of him from The Chute. I like a good scruffy looking Paris. And that version would make a good CMD/SEC/MED combo of sorts or a SEC/MED/ENG combo.
How is Voyager production team greedy that way? Most of em were the same people. They borrowed Q a dozen times for God's sake, you'd figure a main cast member would get some attention. It wasn't a rip off, just using writing tools.
How is Voyager production team greedy that way? Most of em were the same people. They borrowed Q a dozen times for God's sake, you'd figure a main cast member would get some attention. It wasn't a rip off, just using writing tools.
The TNG ep "The First Duty" was written by Ronald Moore and Naren Shankar not Rick Berman, Michael Piller and Jeri Taylor that created Voyager. They did not want to pay Moore and Shankar for the character they created:
"Robert Duncan McNeill (Nicholas Locarno) later played Tom Paris on Star Trek: Voyager, a character partly based on Locarno. It was hoped that Locarno himself would be a character on Voyager, but when it was realized that such a decision would mean that the writers of this episode would receive royalties for each Voyager episode, it was deemed cost-prohibitive and the character was adjusted to become Tom Paris." http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_First_Duty_(episode)
How is Voyager production team greedy that way? Most of em were the same people. They borrowed Q a dozen times for God's sake, you'd figure a main cast member would get some attention. It wasn't a rip off, just using writing tools.
The TNG ep "The First Duty" was written by Ronald Moore and Naren Shankar not Rick Berman, Michael Piller and Jeri Taylor that created Voyager. They did not want to pay Moore and Shankar for the character they created:
"Robert Duncan McNeill (Nicholas Locarno) later played Tom Paris on Star Trek: Voyager, a character partly based on Locarno. It was hoped that Locarno himself would be a character on Voyager, but when it was realized that such a decision would mean that the writers of this episode would receive royalties for each Voyager episode, it was deemed cost-prohibitive and the character was adjusted to become Tom Paris." http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_First_Duty_(episode)
You forgot to paste in the 'citation needed' that appears straight after that text.
Sisko: What are you gonna learn in the next few months that you haven't already learned in the last 300 years?
Ezri Dax: Oh, how to keep from breaking into tears for no reason...
How is Voyager production team greedy that way? Most of em were the same people. They borrowed Q a dozen times for God's sake, you'd figure a main cast member would get some attention. It wasn't a rip off, just using writing tools.
The TNG ep "The First Duty" was written by Ronald Moore and Naren Shankar not Rick Berman, Michael Piller and Jeri Taylor that created Voyager. They did not want to pay Moore and Shankar for the character they created:
"Robert Duncan McNeill (Nicholas Locarno) later played Tom Paris on Star Trek: Voyager, a character partly based on Locarno. It was hoped that Locarno himself would be a character on Voyager, but when it was realized that such a decision would mean that the writers of this episode would receive royalties for each Voyager episode, it was deemed cost-prohibitive and the character was adjusted to become Tom Paris." http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_First_Duty_(episode)
You forgot to paste in the 'citation needed' that appears straight after that text.
That is the citation, I got that from the memory alpha page. Down towards the bottom of the page. I erased the citation needed part and just posted the link to the page. It seemed sufficient if not as precise.
How is Voyager production team greedy that way? Most of em were the same people. They borrowed Q a dozen times for God's sake, you'd figure a main cast member would get some attention. It wasn't a rip off, just using writing tools.
The TNG ep "The First Duty" was written by Ronald Moore and Naren Shankar not Rick Berman, Michael Piller and Jeri Taylor that created Voyager. They did not want to pay Moore and Shankar for the character they created:
"Robert Duncan McNeill (Nicholas Locarno) later played Tom Paris on Star Trek: Voyager, a character partly based on Locarno. It was hoped that Locarno himself would be a character on Voyager, but when it was realized that such a decision would mean that the writers of this episode would receive royalties for each Voyager episode, it was deemed cost-prohibitive and the character was adjusted to become Tom Paris." http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_First_Duty_(episode)
You forgot to paste in the 'citation needed' that appears straight after that text.
That is the citation, I got that from the memory alpha page. Down towards the bottom of the page. I erased the citation needed part and just posted the link to the page. It seemed sufficient if not as precise.
What? The Memory Alpha page has a citation needed link right after the text you pasted, meaning it has about as much legitimacy as you saying 'some bloke down the pub told me...'
Sisko: What are you gonna learn in the next few months that you haven't already learned in the last 300 years?
Ezri Dax: Oh, how to keep from breaking into tears for no reason...
How is Voyager production team greedy that way? Most of em were the same people. They borrowed Q a dozen times for God's sake, you'd figure a main cast member would get some attention. It wasn't a rip off, just using writing tools.
The TNG ep "The First Duty" was written by Ronald Moore and Naren Shankar not Rick Berman, Michael Piller and Jeri Taylor that created Voyager. They did not want to pay Moore and Shankar for the character they created:
"Robert Duncan McNeill (Nicholas Locarno) later played Tom Paris on Star Trek: Voyager, a character partly based on Locarno. It was hoped that Locarno himself would be a character on Voyager, but when it was realized that such a decision would mean that the writers of this episode would receive royalties for each Voyager episode, it was deemed cost-prohibitive and the character was adjusted to become Tom Paris." http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_First_Duty_(episode)
You forgot to paste in the 'citation needed' that appears straight after that text.
That is the citation, I got that from the memory alpha page. Down towards the bottom of the page. I erased the citation needed part and just posted the link to the page. It seemed sufficient if not as precise.
What? The Memory Alpha page has a citation needed link right after the text you pasted, meaning it has about as much legitimacy as you saying 'some bloke down the pub told me...'
I cited memory alpha page. Where they compiled their info from I cannot say. We do know that the creators of Voyager did not create the character of Locarno in the TNG ep "The First Duty." The writers of that episode, Roger Moore and Naren Shankar would have likely been entitled to compensation for the use of their character in Voyager. I think it is a reasonable assumption that Locarno was changed to Paris to prevent this. Not sure how you would prove that Locarno was changed to Paris because Berman did not want to pay Moore and Shankar for the Locarno character they created except from Berman himself who would not admit to such a thing. I have found Memory Alpha to be accurate but I cited the page so people could read it for themselves and make their own determination.
How is Voyager production team greedy that way? Most of em were the same people. They borrowed Q a dozen times for God's sake, you'd figure a main cast member would get some attention. It wasn't a rip off, just using writing tools.
The TNG ep "The First Duty" was written by Ronald Moore and Naren Shankar not Rick Berman, Michael Piller and Jeri Taylor that created Voyager. They did not want to pay Moore and Shankar for the character they created:
"Robert Duncan McNeill (Nicholas Locarno) later played Tom Paris on Star Trek: Voyager, a character partly based on Locarno. It was hoped that Locarno himself would be a character on Voyager, but when it was realized that such a decision would mean that the writers of this episode would receive royalties for each Voyager episode, it was deemed cost-prohibitive and the character was adjusted to become Tom Paris." http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_First_Duty_(episode)
You forgot to paste in the 'citation needed' that appears straight after that text.
That is the citation, I got that from the memory alpha page. Down towards the bottom of the page. I erased the citation needed part and just posted the link to the page. It seemed sufficient if not as precise.
What? The Memory Alpha page has a citation needed link right after the text you pasted, meaning it has about as much legitimacy as you saying 'some bloke down the pub told me...'
I cited memory alpha page. Where they compiled their info from I cannot say. We do know that the creators of Voyager did not create the character of Locarno in the TNG ep "The First Duty." The writers of that episode, Roger Moore and Naren Shankar would have likely been entitled to compensation for the use of their character in Voyager. I think it is a reasonable assumption that Locarno was changed to Paris to prevent this. Not sure how you would prove that Locarno was changed to Paris because Berman did not want to pay Moore and Shankar for the Locarno character they created except from Berman himself who would not admit to such a thing. I have found Memory Alpha to be accurate but I cited the page so people could read it for themselves and make their own determination.
lol, ok. Some guy wrote it, therefore it's true.
For the record, I think what they say is likely true, but that page is no proof of that.
Sisko: What are you gonna learn in the next few months that you haven't already learned in the last 300 years?
Ezri Dax: Oh, how to keep from breaking into tears for no reason...
How is Voyager production team greedy that way? Most of em were the same people. They borrowed Q a dozen times for God's sake, you'd figure a main cast member would get some attention. It wasn't a rip off, just using writing tools.
The TNG ep "The First Duty" was written by Ronald Moore and Naren Shankar not Rick Berman, Michael Piller and Jeri Taylor that created Voyager. They did not want to pay Moore and Shankar for the character they created:
"Robert Duncan McNeill (Nicholas Locarno) later played Tom Paris on Star Trek: Voyager, a character partly based on Locarno. It was hoped that Locarno himself would be a character on Voyager, but when it was realized that such a decision would mean that the writers of this episode would receive royalties for each Voyager episode, it was deemed cost-prohibitive and the character was adjusted to become Tom Paris." http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_First_Duty_(episode)
You forgot to paste in the 'citation needed' that appears straight after that text.
That is the citation, I got that from the memory alpha page. Down towards the bottom of the page. I erased the citation needed part and just posted the link to the page. It seemed sufficient if not as precise.
What? The Memory Alpha page has a citation needed link right after the text you pasted, meaning it has about as much legitimacy as you saying 'some bloke down the pub told me...'
I cited memory alpha page. Where they compiled their info from I cannot say. We do know that the creators of Voyager did not create the character of Locarno in the TNG ep "The First Duty." The writers of that episode, Roger Moore and Naren Shankar would have likely been entitled to compensation for the use of their character in Voyager. I think it is a reasonable assumption that Locarno was changed to Paris to prevent this. Not sure how you would prove that Locarno was changed to Paris because Berman did not want to pay Moore and Shankar for the Locarno character they created except from Berman himself who would not admit to such a thing. I have found Memory Alpha to be accurate but I cited the page so people could read it for themselves and make their own determination.
lol, ok. Some guy wrote it, therefore it's true.
For the record, I think what they say is likely true, but that page is no proof of that.
If you agree then I am not sure what the purpose of your argument is. You would prefer better citations and proof for arguments and discussions on a game forum about a tv show? Everyone should cite three sources for every argument they make and those sources must be fact checked and verified?
By the way, would there anywhere in this event be Cadet First Class Nicholas Locarno ?
this reminds me - can't we get a better 3* version of Sito, like an Ensign Sito?
or Undercover Sito
or getting beaten up by Worf Sito?
I'm down with this. In fact, it occurs to me seeing these pics that there are enough canon Sitos for 4/5 of one of @Female Klingon Q's rainbows. Maybe make a 1* non-canon version to complete the set. She could be Mirror Sito, a low-ranking officer in the KCA.
Totally agree with all the above, with one exception: that Mirror Sito should be a gold and one of Mirror Regent Worf’s bodyguards. He trained her... personally.
But whatever the excuse, we definitely need more Sito.
This is only the eighth Archer to appear in the game. For reference, there are nine (NINE!) legendary Datas.
I don't care much for Enterprise myself, but to complain about "another" Archer is just silly.
Too many Datas too LOL
I feel like we just got an Archer recently. Maybe the Xindi one? Anyways I hope his stats **tsk tsk** so I can sit out the galaxy portion and just get thresholds.
This is only the eighth Archer to appear in the game. For reference, there are nine (NINE!) legendary Datas.
I don't care much for Enterprise myself, but to complain about "another" Archer is just silly.
Too many Datas too LOL
I feel like we just got an Archer recently. Maybe the Xindi one? Anyways I hope his stats **tsk tsk** so I can sit out the galaxy portion and just get thresholds.
And that was literally the first time in the game's three year history that he was included in an event, despite being captain on one of the shows. DB more than owes him at this point.
How is Voyager production team greedy that way? Most of em were the same people. They borrowed Q a dozen times for God's sake, you'd figure a main cast member would get some attention. It wasn't a rip off, just using writing tools.
The TNG ep "The First Duty" was written by Ronald Moore and Naren Shankar not Rick Berman, Michael Piller and Jeri Taylor that created Voyager. They did not want to pay Moore and Shankar for the character they created:
"Robert Duncan McNeill (Nicholas Locarno) later played Tom Paris on Star Trek: Voyager, a character partly based on Locarno. It was hoped that Locarno himself would be a character on Voyager, but when it was realized that such a decision would mean that the writers of this episode would receive royalties for each Voyager episode, it was deemed cost-prohibitive and the character was adjusted to become Tom Paris." http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_First_Duty_(episode)
You forgot to paste in the 'citation needed' that appears straight after that text.
That is the citation, I got that from the memory alpha page. Down towards the bottom of the page. I erased the citation needed part and just posted the link to the page. It seemed sufficient if not as precise.
What? The Memory Alpha page has a citation needed link right after the text you pasted, meaning it has about as much legitimacy as you saying 'some bloke down the pub told me...'
I cited memory alpha page. Where they compiled their info from I cannot say. We do know that the creators of Voyager did not create the character of Locarno in the TNG ep "The First Duty." The writers of that episode, Roger Moore and Naren Shankar would have likely been entitled to compensation for the use of their character in Voyager. I think it is a reasonable assumption that Locarno was changed to Paris to prevent this. Not sure how you would prove that Locarno was changed to Paris because Berman did not want to pay Moore and Shankar for the Locarno character they created except from Berman himself who would not admit to such a thing. I have found Memory Alpha to be accurate but I cited the page so people could read it for themselves and make their own determination.
lol, ok. Some guy wrote it, therefore it's true.
For the record, I think what they say is likely true, but that page is no proof of that.
I've definitely read it before; I want to say in the Voyager companion book but I can't remember for sure where exactly. It's definitely stuck with me - I even remember so far as them not being sure they wanted to cast McNeill as Paris, and instead looking for someone like him, before casting him directly because they couldn't find someone as good.
And FWIW, Memory Alpha references the TNG season 5 DVDs as a source.
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Agreed. Well done, Flemming! You, sir, have a gift.
My guess, as well.
Then there would be ten "Why can't every Tom Paris get the Bonus?" Threads......
Ha!
Well, Nicholas Locarno is NOT Paris, so should not get any related bonus. But considering he appeared in only one episode and is so obscure to many people (I think most people think it is Paris when they see that episode), he qualifies to be legendary character.
He is doppelganger of Tom Paris, maybe... we could even get Borg version of him, from ST novella: Revenant. That version could hae samo interesting traits.
this reminds me - can't we get a better 3* version of Sito, like an Ensign Sito?
or Undercover Sito
or getting beaten up by Worf Sito?
I'm down with this. In fact, it occurs to me seeing these pics that there are enough canon Sitos for 4/5 of one of @Female Klingon Q's rainbows. Maybe make a 1* non-canon version to complete the set. She could be Mirror Sito, a low-ranking officer in the KCA.
1) I was today years old when I realized Robert Duncan McNeill played both of those characters.
2) In a potential future Faction event where Cadet Nicholas Locarno is a special event crew and he is paired up with two other characters that maybe don’t have a lot of variants, I wouldn’t be mad if Paris variants counted as bonus crew. It would make less sense if Locarno were always a bonus crew during Paris events, however.
Except for one critical point:
Janeway stated when she gave Tom a field commission that she was reinstating him to his most recent rank (Full Lieutenant). Locarno was dismissed from the academy as an ungraduated cadet.
The writers were honoring previous writers and slipping Robert Duncan McNeill into a familiar role that he could continue.
Unofficial explanation is that they are cousins...
Yes exactly. Greedy jerks did not want to pay the writers of the tng episode so instead just ripped off their character, used the same actor, changed the name and kept the few dollars they would have given the creators of the character. Even in show about an ideal future there is greed.
Captain of the voyage vessels: Queen of Bashir, Landsknecht, and Sunspear, the first luxury starship cruiseliners.
Amenities include wifi, fully-functioning holodecks, a full-service bar, 3 party decks, a Trill spa, and a business centre.
Fun fact: The ships are propelled by bouncy castle technology.
Yes! A Chute Kim would be cool too SEC/ENG/SCI
The TNG ep "The First Duty" was written by Ronald Moore and Naren Shankar not Rick Berman, Michael Piller and Jeri Taylor that created Voyager. They did not want to pay Moore and Shankar for the character they created:
"Robert Duncan McNeill (Nicholas Locarno) later played Tom Paris on Star Trek: Voyager, a character partly based on Locarno. It was hoped that Locarno himself would be a character on Voyager, but when it was realized that such a decision would mean that the writers of this episode would receive royalties for each Voyager episode, it was deemed cost-prohibitive and the character was adjusted to become Tom Paris." http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_First_Duty_(episode)
You forgot to paste in the 'citation needed' that appears straight after that text.
Ezri Dax: Oh, how to keep from breaking into tears for no reason...
What? The Memory Alpha page has a citation needed link right after the text you pasted, meaning it has about as much legitimacy as you saying 'some bloke down the pub told me...'
Ezri Dax: Oh, how to keep from breaking into tears for no reason...
lol, ok. Some guy wrote it, therefore it's true.
For the record, I think what they say is likely true, but that page is no proof of that.
Ezri Dax: Oh, how to keep from breaking into tears for no reason...
Finally an event I can just get thresholds and relax.
Totally agree with all the above, with one exception: that Mirror Sito should be a gold and one of Mirror Regent Worf’s bodyguards. He trained her... personally.
But whatever the excuse, we definitely need more Sito.
This is only the eighth Archer to appear in the game. For reference, there are nine (NINE!) legendary Datas.
I don't care much for Enterprise myself, but to complain about "another" Archer is just silly.
Too many Datas too LOL
I feel like we just got an Archer recently. Maybe the Xindi one? Anyways I hope his stats **tsk tsk** so I can sit out the galaxy portion and just get thresholds.
And that was literally the first time in the game's three year history that he was included in an event, despite being captain on one of the shows. DB more than owes him at this point.
I've definitely read it before; I want to say in the Voyager companion book but I can't remember for sure where exactly. It's definitely stuck with me - I even remember so far as them not being sure they wanted to cast McNeill as Paris, and instead looking for someone like him, before casting him directly because they couldn't find someone as good.
And FWIW, Memory Alpha references the TNG season 5 DVDs as a source.