I do not know how this got so derailed but I would like for it to stop, thanks.
This thread is to discuss the event, let's all remember that.
I'll grant that a remark or two was over the top, but on the whole, I've appreciated the discussion about "Homefront"/"Paradise Lost". Those conversations are the entire narrative purpose of Star Trek, after all, and to my mind, it's a testament to the quality of work that has drawn the members of this community together that we have things to say about stories that are now decades old.
I do not know how this got so derailed but I would like for it to stop, thanks.
This thread is to discuss the event, let's all remember that.
I'll grant that a remark or two was over the top, but on the whole, I've appreciated the discussion about "Homefront"/"Paradise Lost". Those conversations are the entire narrative purpose of Star Trek, after all, and to my mind, it's a testament to the quality of work that has drawn the members of this community together that we have things to say about stories that are now decades old.
Competition for this Archer is brutal so DB write that down that into your notes and give us more Archers!!!!
I think you are half right. I do think people like Archer. I myself decided to go for top 1K this event despite making top 500 last week because I wanted this Archer.
That being said, once the competition down the stretch got intense I had a moment where I had to decide to stay the course (ie burn chrons I really didn't have) or call it good, but then the other half of the equation hit, that being that I was already committed to ranking in this event, and failure meant 4 Wesley Crushers.
In short, it wasn't just the desire to get an Archer, it was equally the fear of spending thousands of chrons for the privilege of being burdened with Wesley Crushers. I cannot remember a more punishing divide between 1,000 and 1,001.
Competition for this Archer is brutal so DB write that down that into your notes and give us more Archers!!!!
I think you are half right. I do think people like Archer. I myself decided to go for top 1K this event despite making top 500 last week because I wanted this Archer.
That being said, once the competition down the stretch got intense I had a moment where I had to decide to stay the course (ie burn chrons I really didn't have) or call it good, but then the other half of the equation hit, that being that I was already committed to ranking in this event, and failure meant 4 Wesley Crushers.
In short, it wasn't just the desire to get an Archer, it was equally the fear of spending thousands of chrons for the privilege of being burdened with Wesley Crushers. I cannot remember a more punishing divide between 1,000 and 1,001.
I managed to get enough threshold prizes in faction, then drop to sub 3000 and only got 3* Ensign Crusher honor.
The chrons I would have spent went to FEing two 5* Pilots for the next faction. And immortalizing another Legendary.
"Homefront"/"Paradise Lost" only works because it's Captain Sisko who buys into Admiral Leyton's doctrine. Think back to TNG's "The Drumhead", when Worf sided with Admiral Satie but Captain Picard resisted and rejected suspicion and paranoia throughout the episode. We might have given some thought to what Worf and Satie were saying, but it was a given that the moral of the story would be about valuing civil rights over security.
Because this time it's our leader, though, we don't have that certainty. It wasn't out of character or inconsistent with anything else in DS9, so there was no foregone conclusion about how it would play out.
I also do think it's important that we the viewer knew more than the characters. We weren't just meant to follow our leader, the Captain; we were also meant to think back to "The Adversary", "Improbable Cause", and "The Die Is Cast", and to view Joseph Sisko as naive. I also think it's important that Joseph was Ben's father. There's a temptation for us to think our parents don't understand things especially clearly, but we're also used to them being authority figures. It's a strange thing to displace a parent as an authority figure.
All in all, it's a brilliant set-up, and for my money, the payoff is even more brilliant.
"Homefront"/"Paradise Lost" only works because it's Captain Sisko who buys into Admiral Leyton's doctrine. Think back to TNG's "The Drumhead", when Worf sided with Admiral Satie but Captain Picard resisted and rejected suspicion and paranoia throughout the episode. We might have given some thought to what Worf and Satie were saying, but it was a given that the moral of the story would be about valuing civil rights over security.
Because this time it's our leader, though, we don't have that certainty. It wasn't out of character or inconsistent with anything else in DS9, so there was no foregone conclusion about how it would play out.
I also do think it's important that we the viewer knew more than the characters. We weren't just meant to follow our leader, the Captain; we were also meant to think back to "The Adversary", "Improbable Cause", and "The Die Is Cast", and to view Joseph Sisko as naive. I also think it's important that Joseph was Ben's father. There's a temptation for us to think our parents don't understand things especially clearly, but we're also used to them being authority figures. It's a strange thing to displace a parent as an authority figure.
All in all, it's a brilliant set-up, and for my money, the payoff is even more brilliant.
Am I the only one who thinks of "The Drumhead" when I watch "Litmus" from te new "Battlestar Galactica"?
Now that I think about it, no, you’re not alone. Paranoia, suspicion, and an out of control witch hunt are key to both episodes. Litmus obviously has Sgt. Hadrian as the inquisitor rather than an Evil Admiral of the Week, but there are many parallels that can be drawn.
Speaking of them again...I bet you would feel a little differently on the whole “it’s okay to rape people to feel safer” thing if, instead of strangers in a news story, it was your own mother/sister/significant other/child that suffered such treatment.
Wow. Way to escalate, misrepresent and get the thread shut down.
I’m sorry for the hard truth that problems become more evident when they aren’t Somebody Else’s. Perhaps Shan will edit the comment and yell at me or simply ban me entirely like Banjo...
I did edit, I do not yell, and Banjo is not banned.
-Understandable. I recognize I probably went a little too far to hammer my point home.
-On behalf of the forum, we appreciate this a lot.
-I must be confused...what do bars over someone’s avatar mean again?
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One other shout-out that I didn’t see anyone else discuss during the event and forgot to mention until now: thank you, DB, for the special pack in honor of Garrett Wang’s birthday. I think it got a little buried among the many other offers available. Even though I did not partake (having already had both 4* crew in the freezer), I appreciate the special birthday packs when they are released and think most others will agree.
I was pouring over the forum trying to find out what Banjo did to land in forum jail...that makes alot more sense. Well played...
Getting back on topic, the new Boothby reminds me that Starfleet was infiltrated several times by replicant species within a few years..imagine the paranoia that inspired in Starfleet in general and Section 31 in particular. That might be something I'd like to see the new Picard series explore.
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I'll grant that a remark or two was over the top, but on the whole, I've appreciated the discussion about "Homefront"/"Paradise Lost". Those conversations are the entire narrative purpose of Star Trek, after all, and to my mind, it's a testament to the quality of work that has drawn the members of this community together that we have things to say about stories that are now decades old.
I've never seen Battlestar Galactica, so if it's just the two of us, then yes, you're the only one.
Brief summary with the names changed would sound a LOT like "The Drumhead"
I think you are half right. I do think people like Archer. I myself decided to go for top 1K this event despite making top 500 last week because I wanted this Archer.
That being said, once the competition down the stretch got intense I had a moment where I had to decide to stay the course (ie burn chrons I really didn't have) or call it good, but then the other half of the equation hit, that being that I was already committed to ranking in this event, and failure meant 4 Wesley Crushers.
In short, it wasn't just the desire to get an Archer, it was equally the fear of spending thousands of chrons for the privilege of being burdened with Wesley Crushers. I cannot remember a more punishing divide between 1,000 and 1,001.
I managed to get enough threshold prizes in faction, then drop to sub 3000 and only got 3* Ensign Crusher honor.
The chrons I would have spent went to FEing two 5* Pilots for the next faction. And immortalizing another Legendary.
Now that I think about it, no, you’re not alone. Paranoia, suspicion, and an out of control witch hunt are key to both episodes. Litmus obviously has Sgt. Hadrian as the inquisitor rather than an Evil Admiral of the Week, but there are many parallels that can be drawn.
-Understandable. I recognize I probably went a little too far to hammer my point home.
-On behalf of the forum, we appreciate this a lot.
-I must be confused...what do bars over someone’s avatar mean again?
________
One other shout-out that I didn’t see anyone else discuss during the event and forgot to mention until now: thank you, DB, for the special pack in honor of Garrett Wang’s birthday. I think it got a little buried among the many other offers available. Even though I did not partake (having already had both 4* crew in the freezer), I appreciate the special birthday packs when they are released and think most others will agree.
I was pouring over the forum trying to find out what Banjo did to land in forum jail...that makes alot more sense. Well played...
Getting back on topic, the new Boothby reminds me that Starfleet was infiltrated several times by replicant species within a few years..imagine the paranoia that inspired in Starfleet in general and Section 31 in particular. That might be something I'd like to see the new Picard series explore.