I don't see the problem. It's Jett Reno, just as it was stated last week when the event announced. It's not DB's fault some players saw "Jett Reno" and assumed the version would be the one from the episode where she is first encountered. It's not exactly DB's fault some players built it up in their minds that this was going to be that version of Reno and that she'd have Engineering and science and medical skills and everything else you wanted. People saw "Jett Reno" and let their imaginations run wild a bit.
And even if it were that version of Jett Reno, we'd still be here today reading a thread about complaining that her skills aren't high enough, or they're too high (because power creep, right?), or that she's too good or not good at all for Gauntlet.
Cry me a river.
Apparently common sense is a flower that doesn’t bloom in the DB garden. It’s a survivalist event, so forgive us for the now faulty postulation that such an event would include the survivalist version of said character. That expectation is not only realistic to the event, but also to the character. In case it was missed, these forums exist (in part) for feedback, which is exactly what this thread is. If you don’t like the “crying of the river”, you don’t have to swim in it...
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Jett Reno is from an abomination of a wanna-be Trek series anyhow and at least for me no cannon = who cares about that character??
I wished all the STD crap would be airlocked permenently by DB (especially all those "Klingons" and Mikey Spock)
Whatever our personal opinions of the show may be, Discovery is a currently-running series that offers a source of new characters, new ships, and - most importantly for DB - new paying customers. It’s here to stay, so you’ll have to get used to the idea; whether that means you reflexively airlock every Discovery character, refuse to play in any event in which they’re featured, or even just up and leave entirely, do whatever you need to do to not be so frustrated by their inclusion in the game.
I still have a lot of issues with the show but have managed to recognize that getting angry about the crew and ships that don’t work for me isn’t a good use of my energy. I have Space Orcs, a fungus engineer, Admiral Psychologist, and plenty more that I may not care for much personally and still manage to make use of for events and for amassing resources in between events.
Jett Reno is from an abomination of a wanna-be Trek series anyhow and at least for me no cannon = who cares about that character??
I wished all the STD crap would be airlocked permenently by DB (especially all those "Klingons" and Mikey Spock)
I hope the new Picard series and all the new Trek series in the pipeline offends the Discovery haters especially. Sorry you don't like it, but it is Canon and it's seemingly here to stay.
Jett Reno is from an abomination of a wanna-be Trek series anyhow and at least for me no cannon = who cares about that character??
I wished all the STD crap would be airlocked permenently by DB (especially all those "Klingons" and Mikey Spock)
I hope the new Picard series and all the new Trek series in the pipeline offends the Discovery haters especially. Sorry you don't like it, but it is Canon and it's seemingly here to stay.
I am sure it will. Every new trek after TOS has been called "not canon" by this same subset of "fans."
I don't personally want to get dragged into a canonical debate about Disco, the upgraded effects don't bother me, and the newly designed Klingons don't bother me (I mean seriously, it's not like Klingons haven't be redesigned before!), but based on the available evidence I have at my disposal I am choosing not to watch it for ethical reasons, which I will briefly describe under spoiler tags now...
Based on the evidence I have seen/heard/read it is my personal opinion that the producers of Disco stole the idea for season 1 and a large portion of the cast from Anas Abdin and his game Tardigrades, so I am personally boycotting Discovery. If this is the first you are hearing about this, I HIGHLY suggest doing a search for "Anas Abdin lawsuit" and doing your own research.
And just to be clear, I'm not outright accusing anybody of anything illegal here or stating with any certainty that I know what happened, just that I personally believe this is a major breach of acceptable ethics and on those grounds I choose to not support disco.
...if you enjoy Discovery, that is all good with me, just don't lump me in with the haters
I don't personally want to get dragged into a canonical debate about Disco, the upgraded effects don't bother me, and the newly designed Klingons don't bother me (I mean seriously, it's not like Klingons haven't be redesigned before!), but based on the available evidence I have at my disposal I am choosing not to watch it for ethical reasons, which I will briefly describe under spoiler tags now...
Based on the evidence I have seen/heard/read it is my personal opinion that the producers of Disco stole the idea for season 1 and a large portion of the cast from Anas Abdin and his game Tardigrades, so I am personally boycotting Discovery. If this is the first you are hearing about this, I HIGHLY suggest doing a search for "Anas Abdin lawsuit" and doing your own research.
And just to be clear, I'm not outright accusing anybody of anything illegal here or stating with any certainty that I know what happened, just that I personally believe this is a major breach of acceptable ethics and on those grounds I choose to not support disco.
...if you enjoy Discovery, that is all good with me, just don't lump me in with the haters
We've seen coincidences like this again and again in media. The first I remember was getting Chuck Rock, Caveman Ninja and Prehistorik together in 1991. We get Deep Impact and Armageddon together in 1998. Heck, despite the extreme differences in style and plot, you should have seen the (continuing!) outcry over Deep Space 9 being set on a space station, just like Babylon 5..! (I'm sure you also do not support DS9 on the same principle, which must be very challenging for a Timelines player - you have my respect for your consistency of principles.)
Given some of the discrepancies on Abdin's part ("Why is the tardigrade huge? And blue?", says Abdin. Ripper wasn't blue! And as said here, "his belief that he’s been borrowed from falls down a little considering how ambiguously he presented the tardigrades’ role in his game’s plot. His previous posts and videos show a man being wrapped around by a giant blue tardigrade, which then zips off into space with lightning effect. But it was never overtly stated – because he had considered it a spoiler – that the tardigrade would be the civilisation’s secret for discovering intergalactic travel."
Frankly, the appearance of Ripper on Discovery made me roll my eyes. Tardigrades, again? Trying too hard to be relevant and cool - it was already a cliché to any science and sci-fi followers. The idea that it ripped (no pun intended) off this one specific unreleased game, including on details of the game that weren't made public (not to mention one detail that isn't even true), is far-fetched.
But it's still a vaguely interesting story - especially for anyone who hasn't come across this kind of thing dozens of times already.
I don't personally want to get dragged into a canonical debate about Disco, the upgraded effects don't bother me, and the newly designed Klingons don't bother me (I mean seriously, it's not like Klingons haven't be redesigned before!), but based on the available evidence I have at my disposal I am choosing not to watch it for ethical reasons, which I will briefly describe under spoiler tags now...
Based on the evidence I have seen/heard/read it is my personal opinion that the producers of Disco stole the idea for season 1 and a large portion of the cast from Anas Abdin and his game Tardigrades, so I am personally boycotting Discovery. If this is the first you are hearing about this, I HIGHLY suggest doing a search for "Anas Abdin lawsuit" and doing your own research.
And just to be clear, I'm not outright accusing anybody of anything illegal here or stating with any certainty that I know what happened, just that I personally believe this is a major breach of acceptable ethics and on those grounds I choose to not support disco.
...if you enjoy Discovery, that is all good with me, just don't lump me in with the haters
We've seen coincidences like this again and again in media. The first I remember was getting Chuck Rock, Caveman Ninja and Prehistorik together in 1991. We get Deep Impact and Armageddon together in 1998. Heck, despite the extreme differences in style and plot, you should have seen the (continuing!) outcry over Deep Space 9 being set on a space station, just like Babylon 5..! (I'm sure you also do not support DS9 on the same principle, which must be very challenging for a Timelines player - you have my respect for your consistency of principles.)
Given some of the discrepancies on Abdin's part ("Why is the tardigrade huge? And blue?", says Abdin. Ripper wasn't blue! And as said here, "his belief that he’s been borrowed from falls down a little considering how ambiguously he presented the tardigrades’ role in his game’s plot. His previous posts and videos show a man being wrapped around by a giant blue tardigrade, which then zips off into space with lightning effect. But it was never overtly stated – because he had considered it a spoiler – that the tardigrade would be the civilisation’s secret for discovering intergalactic travel."
Frankly, the appearance of Ripper on Discovery made me roll my eyes. Tardigrades, again? Trying too hard to be relevant and cool - it was already a cliché to any science and sci-fi followers. The idea that it ripped (no pun intended) off this one specific unreleased game, including on details of the game that weren't made public (not to mention one detail that isn't even true), is far-fetched.
But it's still a vaguely interesting story - especially for anyone who hasn't come across this kind of thing dozens of times already.
If it was just the Tardigrade, I would agree with you, but at least 4 of the season 1 cast seem to have been ported over directly from the game, so I have my doubts, enough that I don't feel comfortable supporting the show.
I don't personally want to get dragged into a canonical debate about Disco, the upgraded effects don't bother me, and the newly designed Klingons don't bother me (I mean seriously, it's not like Klingons haven't be redesigned before!), but based on the available evidence I have at my disposal I am choosing not to watch it for ethical reasons, which I will briefly describe under spoiler tags now...
Based on the evidence I have seen/heard/read it is my personal opinion that the producers of Disco stole the idea for season 1 and a large portion of the cast from Anas Abdin and his game Tardigrades, so I am personally boycotting Discovery. If this is the first you are hearing about this, I HIGHLY suggest doing a search for "Anas Abdin lawsuit" and doing your own research.
And just to be clear, I'm not outright accusing anybody of anything illegal here or stating with any certainty that I know what happened, just that I personally believe this is a major breach of acceptable ethics and on those grounds I choose to not support disco.
...if you enjoy Discovery, that is all good with me, just don't lump me in with the haters
We've seen coincidences like this again and again in media. The first I remember was getting Chuck Rock, Caveman Ninja and Prehistorik together in 1991. We get Deep Impact and Armageddon together in 1998. Heck, despite the extreme differences in style and plot, you should have seen the (continuing!) outcry over Deep Space 9 being set on a space station, just like Babylon 5..! (I'm sure you also do not support DS9 on the same principle, which must be very challenging for a Timelines player - you have my respect for your consistency of principles.)
Given some of the discrepancies on Abdin's part ("Why is the tardigrade huge? And blue?", says Abdin. Ripper wasn't blue! And as said here, "his belief that he’s been borrowed from falls down a little considering how ambiguously he presented the tardigrades’ role in his game’s plot. His previous posts and videos show a man being wrapped around by a giant blue tardigrade, which then zips off into space with lightning effect. But it was never overtly stated – because he had considered it a spoiler – that the tardigrade would be the civilisation’s secret for discovering intergalactic travel."
Frankly, the appearance of Ripper on Discovery made me roll my eyes. Tardigrades, again? Trying too hard to be relevant and cool - it was already a cliché to any science and sci-fi followers. The idea that it ripped (no pun intended) off this one specific unreleased game, including on details of the game that weren't made public (not to mention one detail that isn't even true), is far-fetched.
But it's still a vaguely interesting story - especially for anyone who hasn't come across this kind of thing dozens of times already.
If it was just the Tardigrade, I would agree with you, but at least 4 of the season 1 cast seem to have been ported over directly from the game, so I have my doubts, enough that I don't feel comfortable supporting the show.
I can understand that being a natural knee-jerk reaction, but it just doesn't stand up to the slightest scrutiny. As the link says nicely and concisely, "It seems astoundingly unlikely that Star Trek’s producers would have cast the show to match the pixel art of an unreleased game. But it’s easy for [us] to feel detached about this. Not so for Abdin."
Just take a moment to consider it. People coming in for Discovery casting calls. The casting director holding up a pixellated print-out from unreleased, unknown indie game Tardigrades to compare. "Sorry, you don't resemble this pixel art closely enough. We're going to have to pass on you."
In what universe does that make sense?
(And that's generously not dismissing the tenuous "similarities" out of hand.)
Jett Reno is from an abomination of a wanna-be Trek series anyhow and at least for me no cannon = who cares about that character??
I wished all the STD crap would be airlocked permenently by DB (especially all those "Klingons" and Mikey Spock)
Sheesh. Feel the hate. I have to say that while I certainly didn’t care for the first season of STD in the least and absolutely HATE many of the make-up changes, especially the Klingons, I still found the show to ultimately be entertaining most of the time, which is exactly what it’s suppose to do. I guess my point is, why direct so much loathing to a show that only mildly affects this game? If you don’t like a Disco related character, fine. Don’t use it or whatever.
Anyhow, now that I’ve gotten all of that out of the way, allow me to ask on behalf of those thinking the same thing, what the heck is wrong with Jett Reno? Granted she’s a bit mookish and OP with the skills they gave her, but in the end, it works. They never really “overused” her the way TOS did with Spock or TNG did with Data. As of yet, she hasn’t been the Deus Ex Machina of any episode so I really don’t see any reason to call her an abomination. I guess you could be referring to the actress herself and if so, you sir, are an **tsk tsk**.
Finally, it seems obvious you didn’t like the first season but you may not have seen the whole of season two. If not, I suggest you watch it. It’s far better than the first one. It may still not be entirely to the liking of an extreme purist but if it’s not for you, it’s not for you. Go watch some reruns then.
Weirdly enough, I’m also Vulcan Housewife. Also, RNGesus hates me, like really, REALLY hates me.
I just wanna say how much I admire a rejection of non-canon material from a forum member whose avatar is of Mirror Inquisitor Troi.
As for @ByloBand's ethical concerns about Disco...
I'm reminded of something from a panel at C2E2 several years back that I attended regarding using Kickstarter for projects. Someone asked how to decide how much was enough information to give away to pique enough interest to raise funds without giving away the whole idea for someone else to steal. I'm afraid I no longer have my notes and I'm unable to properly credit the speaker, but his answer has remained with me. He said to share as much as possible and not worry about it. "Other people can steal your idea, but they can't steal your execution."
I can appreciate the concern, and I'll admit that when I first heard of the lawsuit, it made me uncomfortable. However, I'm so far unconvinced that it's more than coincidence, conspicuous as it may be. Even if Alex Kurtzman himself publicly admitted to stealing the premise and some character designs, though, the respective executions remain unique from one another. It would be shameful and bad form, absolutely, and I would agree that some punitive measures would be in order. But Disco would still ultimately be the work of its cast and crew collaborating on their own execution, and I'm of the mind that that execution merits being viewed and judged for what it is.
I don't personally want to get dragged into a canonical debate about Disco, the upgraded effects don't bother me, and the newly designed Klingons don't bother me (I mean seriously, it's not like Klingons haven't be redesigned before!), but based on the available evidence I have at my disposal I am choosing not to watch it for ethical reasons, which I will briefly describe under spoiler tags now...
Based on the evidence I have seen/heard/read it is my personal opinion that the producers of Disco stole the idea for season 1 and a large portion of the cast from Anas Abdin and his game Tardigrades, so I am personally boycotting Discovery. If this is the first you are hearing about this, I HIGHLY suggest doing a search for "Anas Abdin lawsuit" and doing your own research.
And just to be clear, I'm not outright accusing anybody of anything illegal here or stating with any certainty that I know what happened, just that I personally believe this is a major breach of acceptable ethics and on those grounds I choose to not support disco.
...if you enjoy Discovery, that is all good with me, just don't lump me in with the haters
I understand the argument and there are some similarities between Star Trek Discovery and Anas Abdin's unreleased game Tardigrades but I think it far more likely coincidence than theft.
As I understand it, there was an Egyptian game designer creating a game called Tardigrades about a blue tardigrade that transports people around including a blond man. This game designer is still to this day working on his unreleased game but he put information about his game online in 2014. He claims that CBS stole his ideas with their 2017 show Star Trek Discovery. So let's look at the similarities. Star Trek Discovery does use a tardigrade but tardigrades are real living creatures. Further, everyone was amazed and inspired by the 2007 European study that found that Tardigrades could survive in space. It would be natural for many people to write science fiction stories about them. It is also natural that any story with tardigrades would also involve humans as almost all science fiction stories do. And as people cannot live in space it would make sense that many stories of humans in space would involve creatures that can live in space, helping humans. The game designer's tardigrade is blue but Discovery's tardigrade is not exactly blue, he is sort of an irridescent black that is sometimes more black and sometimes more dark blue. It is not one color to easily define. The spores are blue though and when the Discovery tardigrade is in the spore chamber with the spores he appears blue. But blue is a primary color used in many shows and games especially space shows and games. Blue shows up well against the blackness of space and is not harsh like red. I think any blue similarities are coincidence. Another contention is that the game and the show have a tardigrade that teleports people around but the game involves one person being transported by the tardigrade wrapping around them and Discovery has a tardigrade using his brain to navigate a whole ship with use of mushroom spores. Discovery's space travel was inspired by the work of mycologist Paul Stamets and is heavily dependent on spores from mushrooms. The engineer on the show, Lt. Commander Paul Stamets, is named after him. Commander Stamets is blonde like in the game but so is the actor Anthony Rapp. Star Trek Discovery did get released in 2017 but it was in the works from at least 2015, maybe even earlier. Lastly, I do not think just putting something on the internet is enough to say that everyone who uses the internet must have seen the Egyptian game designer's posts about his game I believe even now has not been released. There are billions of things and ideas posted online. Billions.
There is a far more compelling case that Deep Space Nine was stolen from J. Michael Straczynski's Babylon 5 idea and show. Stracynski did not just post information about a possible show online, he sent his detailed idea about a space station show to Paramount. Then Paramount came out with their own space station show six months later. Both shows involve a human who was a spiritual leader to an alien race that creates an alliance between many different aliens to fight off an overwhelming enemy with help from gods. Many more similarities occur as well. If you watch DS9 then give Discovery a chance.
I just wanna say how much I admire a rejection of non-canon material from a forum member whose avatar is of Mirror Inquisitor Troi.
As for @ByloBand's ethical concerns about Disco...
I'm reminded of something from a panel at C2E2 several years back that I attended regarding using Kickstarter for projects. Someone asked how to decide how much was enough information to give away to pique enough interest to raise funds without giving away the whole idea for someone else to steal. I'm afraid I no longer have my notes and I'm unable to properly credit the speaker, but his answer has remained with me. He said to share as much as possible and not worry about it. "Other people can steal your idea, but they can't steal your execution."
I can appreciate the concern, and I'll admit that when I first heard of the lawsuit, it made me uncomfortable. However, I'm so far unconvinced that it's more than coincidence, conspicuous as it may be. Even if Alex Kurtzman himself publicly admitted to stealing the premise and some character designs, though, the respective executions remain unique from one another. It would be shameful and bad form, absolutely, and I would agree that some punitive measures would be in order. But Disco would still ultimately be the work of its cast and crew collaborating on their own execution, and I'm of the mind that that execution merits being viewed and judged for what it is.
I don't see the problem. It's Jett Reno, just as it was stated last week when the event announced. It's not DB's fault some players saw "Jett Reno" and assumed the version would be the one from the episode where she is first encountered. It's not exactly DB's fault some players built it up in their minds that this was going to be that version of Reno and that she'd have Engineering and science and medical skills and everything else you wanted. People saw "Jett Reno" and let their imaginations run wild a bit.
And even if it were that version of Jett Reno, we'd still be here today reading a thread about complaining that her skills aren't high enough, or they're too high (because power creep, right?), or that she's too good or not good at all for Gauntlet.
Cry me a river.
Apparently common sense is a flower that doesn’t bloom in the DB garden. It’s a survivalist event, so forgive us for the now faulty postulation that such an event would include the survivalist version of said character. That expectation is not only realistic to the event, but also to the character. In case it was missed, these forums exist (in part) for feedback, which is exactly what this thread is. If you don’t like the “crying of the river”, you don’t have to swim in it...
Apparently common sense is a flower that doesn't bloom among a number of posters. DB is a business that wants to make money. They know the Eng/Med variant is what their players want and will spend money on. They know how much money they can make from a Tuesday pack vs an event reward. They know how to optimize their revenue
When a popular character variant is in an event we see average stats. Look at captain Spock. He has average stats because DB knew people would fight for him anyway. The best stats end up in Tuesday packs. We'll see stranded Reno. She'll have great stats and traits, and she'll be a Tuesday pack exclusive to maximize their revenue.
I don't personally want to get dragged into a canonical debate about Disco, the upgraded effects don't bother me, and the newly designed Klingons don't bother me (I mean seriously, it's not like Klingons haven't be redesigned before!), but based on the available evidence I have at my disposal I am choosing not to watch it for ethical reasons, which I will briefly describe under spoiler tags now...
Based on the evidence I have seen/heard/read it is my personal opinion that the producers of Disco stole the idea for season 1 and a large portion of the cast from Anas Abdin and his game Tardigrades, so I am personally boycotting Discovery. If this is the first you are hearing about this, I HIGHLY suggest doing a search for "Anas Abdin lawsuit" and doing your own research.
And just to be clear, I'm not outright accusing anybody of anything illegal here or stating with any certainty that I know what happened, just that I personally believe this is a major breach of acceptable ethics and on those grounds I choose to not support disco.
...if you enjoy Discovery, that is all good with me, just don't lump me in with the haters
Do you enjoy Deep Space Nine? Paramount allegedly came up with it after JMS pitched an early version of Babylon Five. {Which had, among other things, a Chief Security Officer who was allegedly a shape-shifter.}
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
I don't see the problem. It's Jett Reno, just as it was stated last week when the event announced. It's not DB's fault some players saw "Jett Reno" and assumed the version would be the one from the episode where she is first encountered. It's not exactly DB's fault some players built it up in their minds that this was going to be that version of Reno and that she'd have Engineering and science and medical skills and everything else you wanted. People saw "Jett Reno" and let their imaginations run wild a bit.
And even if it were that version of Jett Reno, we'd still be here today reading a thread about complaining that her skills aren't high enough, or they're too high (because power creep, right?), or that she's too good or not good at all for Gauntlet.
Cry me a river.
Apparently common sense is a flower that doesn’t bloom in the DB garden. It’s a survivalist event, so forgive us for the now faulty postulation that such an event would include the survivalist version of said character. That expectation is not only realistic to the event, but also to the character. In case it was missed, these forums exist (in part) for feedback, which is exactly what this thread is. If you don’t like the “crying of the river”, you don’t have to swim in it...
Apparently common sense is a flower that doesn't bloom among a number of posters. DB is a business that wants to make money. They know the Eng/Med variant is what their players want and will spend money on. They know how much money they can make from a Tuesday pack vs an event reward. They know how to optimize their revenue
When a popular character variant is in an event we see average stats. Look at captain Spock. He has average stats because DB knew people would fight for him anyway. The best stats end up in Tuesday packs. We'll see stranded Reno. She'll have great stats and traits, and she'll be a Tuesday pack exclusive to maximize their revenue.
Is it possible they could make a great deal of money off a pack sale? Sure... Could DB have made more money off this last event if she had been three skill with medicine? Sure... Which of those options is better? Well, any option I choose is speculation at best without having access to DB’s economic data. If you have such data and I am clearly in the wrong, by all means set me straight and I will be the first to apologize.
My two fold issue with the previous post still stands... One, it was a survivalist event, and one would think a character more in line with the “Stranded Reno” you mention would have been more appropriate. That would better mirror the Discovery episode and theme of the current mega event series. Two, the comment by a previous poster alluding to the notion that people shouldn’t share criticism in these Forums. Which, is one of the reasons such a medium of exchange exists.
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{Which had, among other things, a Chief Security Officer who was allegedly a shape-shifter.}
@DScottHewitt Interesting, I've not heard that before. I cannot seem to find any sources to back it up, either - all I have read is that the one-off assassin in the pilot was supposed to shapeshift naturally, rather than being a Minbari using tech. Do you mind my asking your source for this?
I don't see the problem. It's Jett Reno, just as it was stated last week when the event announced. It's not DB's fault some players saw "Jett Reno" and assumed the version would be the one from the episode where she is first encountered. It's not exactly DB's fault some players built it up in their minds that this was going to be that version of Reno and that she'd have Engineering and science and medical skills and everything else you wanted. People saw "Jett Reno" and let their imaginations run wild a bit.
And even if it were that version of Jett Reno, we'd still be here today reading a thread about complaining that her skills aren't high enough, or they're too high (because power creep, right?), or that she's too good or not good at all for Gauntlet.
Cry me a river.
Apparently common sense is a flower that doesn’t bloom in the DB garden. It’s a survivalist event, so forgive us for the now faulty postulation that such an event would include the survivalist version of said character. That expectation is not only realistic to the event, but also to the character. In case it was missed, these forums exist (in part) for feedback, which is exactly what this thread is. If you don’t like the “crying of the river”, you don’t have to swim in it...
Apparently common sense is a flower that doesn't bloom among a number of posters. DB is a business that wants to make money. They know the Eng/Med variant is what their players want and will spend money on. They know how much money they can make from a Tuesday pack vs an event reward. They know how to optimize their revenue
When a popular character variant is in an event we see average stats. Look at captain Spock. He has average stats because DB knew people would fight for him anyway. The best stats end up in Tuesday packs. We'll see stranded Reno. She'll have great stats and traits, and she'll be a Tuesday pack exclusive to maximize their revenue.
Is it possible they could make a great deal of money off a pack sale? Sure... Could DB have made more money off this last event if she had been three skill with medicine? Sure... Which of those options is better? Well, any option I choose is speculation at best without having access to DB’s economic data. If you have such data and I am clearly in the wrong, by all means set me straight and I will be the first to apologize.
My two fold issue with the previous post still stands... One, it was a survivalist event, and one would think a character more in line with the “Stranded Reno” you mention would have been more appropriate. That would better mirror the Discovery episode and theme of the current mega event series. Two, the comment by a previous poster alluding to the notion that people shouldn’t share criticism in these Forums. Which, is one of the reasons such a medium of exchange exists.
As far as my money goes, I can tell you this. I won four copies of her and airlocked all four. I just had absolutely no use for her. If she had that third skill I would have DYC’d for $25 but as it stood I looked at her as useless
I don't see the problem. It's Jett Reno, just as it was stated last week when the event announced. It's not DB's fault some players saw "Jett Reno" and assumed the version would be the one from the episode where she is first encountered. It's not exactly DB's fault some players built it up in their minds that this was going to be that version of Reno and that she'd have Engineering and science and medical skills and everything else you wanted. People saw "Jett Reno" and let their imaginations run wild a bit.
And even if it were that version of Jett Reno, we'd still be here today reading a thread about complaining that her skills aren't high enough, or they're too high (because power creep, right?), or that she's too good or not good at all for Gauntlet.
Cry me a river.
Apparently common sense is a flower that doesn’t bloom in the DB garden. It’s a survivalist event, so forgive us for the now faulty postulation that such an event would include the survivalist version of said character. That expectation is not only realistic to the event, but also to the character. In case it was missed, these forums exist (in part) for feedback, which is exactly what this thread is. If you don’t like the “crying of the river”, you don’t have to swim in it...
Apparently common sense is a flower that doesn't bloom among a number of posters. DB is a business that wants to make money. They know the Eng/Med variant is what their players want and will spend money on. They know how much money they can make from a Tuesday pack vs an event reward. They know how to optimize their revenue
When a popular character variant is in an event we see average stats. Look at captain Spock. He has average stats because DB knew people would fight for him anyway. The best stats end up in Tuesday packs. We'll see stranded Reno. She'll have great stats and traits, and she'll be a Tuesday pack exclusive to maximize their revenue.
Is it possible they could make a great deal of money off a pack sale? Sure... Could DB have made more money off this last event if she had been three skill with medicine? Sure... Which of those options is better? Well, any option I choose is speculation at best without having access to DB’s economic data. If you have such data and I am clearly in the wrong, by all means set me straight and I will be the first to apologize.
My two fold issue with the previous post still stands... One, it was a survivalist event, and one would think a character more in line with the “Stranded Reno” you mention would have been more appropriate. That would better mirror the Discovery episode and theme of the current mega event series. Two, the comment by a previous poster alluding to the notion that people shouldn’t share criticism in these Forums. Which, is one of the reasons such a medium of exchange exists.
As far as my money goes, I can tell you this. I won four copies of her and airlocked all four. I just had absolutely no use for her. If she had that third skill I would have DYC’d for $25 but as it stood I looked at her as useless
Why try so hard in an event and use so much time and resources just to airlock someone?
I don't see the problem. It's Jett Reno, just as it was stated last week when the event announced. It's not DB's fault some players saw "Jett Reno" and assumed the version would be the one from the episode where she is first encountered. It's not exactly DB's fault some players built it up in their minds that this was going to be that version of Reno and that she'd have Engineering and science and medical skills and everything else you wanted. People saw "Jett Reno" and let their imaginations run wild a bit.
And even if it were that version of Jett Reno, we'd still be here today reading a thread about complaining that her skills aren't high enough, or they're too high (because power creep, right?), or that she's too good or not good at all for Gauntlet.
Cry me a river.
Apparently common sense is a flower that doesn’t bloom in the DB garden. It’s a survivalist event, so forgive us for the now faulty postulation that such an event would include the survivalist version of said character. That expectation is not only realistic to the event, but also to the character. In case it was missed, these forums exist (in part) for feedback, which is exactly what this thread is. If you don’t like the “crying of the river”, you don’t have to swim in it...
Apparently common sense is a flower that doesn't bloom among a number of posters. DB is a business that wants to make money. They know the Eng/Med variant is what their players want and will spend money on. They know how much money they can make from a Tuesday pack vs an event reward. They know how to optimize their revenue
When a popular character variant is in an event we see average stats. Look at captain Spock. He has average stats because DB knew people would fight for him anyway. The best stats end up in Tuesday packs. We'll see stranded Reno. She'll have great stats and traits, and she'll be a Tuesday pack exclusive to maximize their revenue.
Is it possible they could make a great deal of money off a pack sale? Sure... Could DB have made more money off this last event if she had been three skill with medicine? Sure... Which of those options is better? Well, any option I choose is speculation at best without having access to DB’s economic data. If you have such data and I am clearly in the wrong, by all means set me straight and I will be the first to apologize.
My two fold issue with the previous post still stands... One, it was a survivalist event, and one would think a character more in line with the “Stranded Reno” you mention would have been more appropriate. That would better mirror the Discovery episode and theme of the current mega event series. Two, the comment by a previous poster alluding to the notion that people shouldn’t share criticism in these Forums. Which, is one of the reasons such a medium of exchange exists.
As far as my money goes, I can tell you this. I won four copies of her and airlocked all four. I just had absolutely no use for her. If she had that third skill I would have DYC’d for $25 but as it stood I looked at her as useless
Why try so hard in an event and use so much time and resources just to airlock someone?
I second this question. Rather than burn hard for the top 1500, I cleared the 160k threshold, made sure no rare rewards were clogging my inventory, froze Stamets, and took the rest of the weekend off.
Because at this point in my game it’s not about the crew, it’s about the victory, the competition, and the time availability. I had Thursday and Friday off work. I felt with the skill disappointment less people would be thirsty, and I felt at that stage of resource hoarding I had the tools to win.
{Which had, among other things, a Chief Security Officer who was allegedly a shape-shifter.}
@DScottHewitt Interesting, I've not heard that before. I cannot seem to find any sources to back it up, either - all I have read is that the one-off assassin in the pilot was supposed to shapeshift naturally, rather than being a Minbari using tech. Do you mind my asking your source for this?
I heard about it years ago. Maybe in a magazine related to sci fi? Allegedly {<---EMPHASIS!!!} there were several similarities in the early pitch to Paramount for what became Babylon Five, that could be considered very similar to what became Deep Space Nine. Not just the shapeshifter, but other things, IIRC. Like the Station was near a war-torn less advanced planet, that had just gotten their freedom? Been years and my memory is bad, as well.
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Apparently common sense is a flower that doesn’t bloom in the DB garden. It’s a survivalist event, so forgive us for the now faulty postulation that such an event would include the survivalist version of said character. That expectation is not only realistic to the event, but also to the character. In case it was missed, these forums exist (in part) for feedback, which is exactly what this thread is. If you don’t like the “crying of the river”, you don’t have to swim in it...
I wished all the STD crap would be airlocked permenently by DB (especially all those "Klingons" and Mikey Spock)
The word is “canon.” If you don’t like the card, don’t play. Your choice on that. 🖖🏻
Also,
Whatever our personal opinions of the show may be, Discovery is a currently-running series that offers a source of new characters, new ships, and - most importantly for DB - new paying customers. It’s here to stay, so you’ll have to get used to the idea; whether that means you reflexively airlock every Discovery character, refuse to play in any event in which they’re featured, or even just up and leave entirely, do whatever you need to do to not be so frustrated by their inclusion in the game.
I still have a lot of issues with the show but have managed to recognize that getting angry about the crew and ships that don’t work for me isn’t a good use of my energy. I have Space Orcs, a fungus engineer, Admiral Psychologist, and plenty more that I may not care for much personally and still manage to make use of for events and for amassing resources in between events.
I hope the new Picard series and all the new Trek series in the pipeline offends the Discovery haters especially. Sorry you don't like it, but it is Canon and it's seemingly here to stay.
I am sure it will. Every new trek after TOS has been called "not canon" by this same subset of "fans."
And just to be clear, I'm not outright accusing anybody of anything illegal here or stating with any certainty that I know what happened, just that I personally believe this is a major breach of acceptable ethics and on those grounds I choose to not support disco.
...if you enjoy Discovery, that is all good with me, just don't lump me in with the haters
Given some of the discrepancies on Abdin's part ("Why is the tardigrade huge? And blue?", says Abdin. Ripper wasn't blue! And as said here, "his belief that he’s been borrowed from falls down a little considering how ambiguously he presented the tardigrades’ role in his game’s plot. His previous posts and videos show a man being wrapped around by a giant blue tardigrade, which then zips off into space with lightning effect. But it was never overtly stated – because he had considered it a spoiler – that the tardigrade would be the civilisation’s secret for discovering intergalactic travel."
Frankly, the appearance of Ripper on Discovery made me roll my eyes. Tardigrades, again? Trying too hard to be relevant and cool - it was already a cliché to any science and sci-fi followers. The idea that it ripped (no pun intended) off this one specific unreleased game, including on details of the game that weren't made public (not to mention one detail that isn't even true), is far-fetched.
But it's still a vaguely interesting story - especially for anyone who hasn't come across this kind of thing dozens of times already.
Just take a moment to consider it. People coming in for Discovery casting calls. The casting director holding up a pixellated print-out from unreleased, unknown indie game Tardigrades to compare. "Sorry, you don't resemble this pixel art closely enough. We're going to have to pass on you."
In what universe does that make sense?
(And that's generously not dismissing the tenuous "similarities" out of hand.)
Sheesh. Feel the hate. I have to say that while I certainly didn’t care for the first season of STD in the least and absolutely HATE many of the make-up changes, especially the Klingons, I still found the show to ultimately be entertaining most of the time, which is exactly what it’s suppose to do. I guess my point is, why direct so much loathing to a show that only mildly affects this game? If you don’t like a Disco related character, fine. Don’t use it or whatever.
Anyhow, now that I’ve gotten all of that out of the way, allow me to ask on behalf of those thinking the same thing, what the heck is wrong with Jett Reno? Granted she’s a bit mookish and OP with the skills they gave her, but in the end, it works. They never really “overused” her the way TOS did with Spock or TNG did with Data. As of yet, she hasn’t been the Deus Ex Machina of any episode so I really don’t see any reason to call her an abomination. I guess you could be referring to the actress herself and if so, you sir, are an **tsk tsk**.
Finally, it seems obvious you didn’t like the first season but you may not have seen the whole of season two. If not, I suggest you watch it. It’s far better than the first one. It may still not be entirely to the liking of an extreme purist but if it’s not for you, it’s not for you. Go watch some reruns then.
As for @ByloBand's ethical concerns about Disco...
I can appreciate the concern, and I'll admit that when I first heard of the lawsuit, it made me uncomfortable. However, I'm so far unconvinced that it's more than coincidence, conspicuous as it may be. Even if Alex Kurtzman himself publicly admitted to stealing the premise and some character designs, though, the respective executions remain unique from one another. It would be shameful and bad form, absolutely, and I would agree that some punitive measures would be in order. But Disco would still ultimately be the work of its cast and crew collaborating on their own execution, and I'm of the mind that that execution merits being viewed and judged for what it is.
TNG = great
DS9 = great
Voyager = great
Movies = 1/2 great, 1/4 acceptable, 1/4 eh
STD = trash
Ho hum.....another hater.
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Apparently common sense is a flower that doesn't bloom among a number of posters. DB is a business that wants to make money. They know the Eng/Med variant is what their players want and will spend money on. They know how much money they can make from a Tuesday pack vs an event reward. They know how to optimize their revenue
When a popular character variant is in an event we see average stats. Look at captain Spock. He has average stats because DB knew people would fight for him anyway. The best stats end up in Tuesday packs. We'll see stranded Reno. She'll have great stats and traits, and she'll be a Tuesday pack exclusive to maximize their revenue.
Do you enjoy Deep Space Nine? Paramount allegedly came up with it after JMS pitched an early version of Babylon Five. {Which had, among other things, a Chief Security Officer who was allegedly a shape-shifter.}
Is it possible they could make a great deal of money off a pack sale? Sure... Could DB have made more money off this last event if she had been three skill with medicine? Sure... Which of those options is better? Well, any option I choose is speculation at best without having access to DB’s economic data. If you have such data and I am clearly in the wrong, by all means set me straight and I will be the first to apologize.
My two fold issue with the previous post still stands... One, it was a survivalist event, and one would think a character more in line with the “Stranded Reno” you mention would have been more appropriate. That would better mirror the Discovery episode and theme of the current mega event series. Two, the comment by a previous poster alluding to the notion that people shouldn’t share criticism in these Forums. Which, is one of the reasons such a medium of exchange exists.
As far as my money goes, I can tell you this. I won four copies of her and airlocked all four. I just had absolutely no use for her. If she had that third skill I would have DYC’d for $25 but as it stood I looked at her as useless
Why try so hard in an event and use so much time and resources just to airlock someone?
I second this question. Rather than burn hard for the top 1500, I cleared the 160k threshold, made sure no rare rewards were clogging my inventory, froze Stamets, and took the rest of the weekend off.
Love that ENT was so bad it wasn't even included in the survey.....*runs and hides*..................
I heard about it years ago. Maybe in a magazine related to sci fi? Allegedly {<---EMPHASIS!!!} there were several similarities in the early pitch to Paramount for what became Babylon Five, that could be considered very similar to what became Deep Space Nine. Not just the shapeshifter, but other things, IIRC. Like the Station was near a war-torn less advanced planet, that had just gotten their freedom? Been years and my memory is bad, as well.