Now that citations come with each campaign, I don't buy them with honor anymore. Instead I buy legendary beholds. With an army of 1+/5, the chances of getting some options that will add a star to somebody are pretty good. The other day in fact I immortalized Emotion Chip Data this way, and he wasn't the first. As long as you don't have someone particular in mind to upgrade, it stretches your honor a bit further.
Now that citations come with each campaign, I don't buy them with honor anymore. Instead I buy legendary beholds. With an army of 1+/5, the chances of getting some options that will add a star to somebody are pretty good. The other day in fact I immortalized Emotion Chip Data this way, and he wasn't the first. As long as you don't have someone particular in mind to upgrade, it stretches your honor a bit further.
I would never do this unless the beholds are at a significant discount as there are too many pitfalls, such as getting a fully immortalised behold or a weak card. You also give up the chance to strategically improve your crew for the various aspects of gameplay.
Now that citations come with each campaign, I don't buy them with honor anymore. Instead I buy legendary beholds. With an army of 1+/5, the chances of getting some options that will add a star to somebody are pretty good. The other day in fact I immortalized Emotion Chip Data this way, and he wasn't the first. As long as you don't have someone particular in mind to upgrade, it stretches your honor a bit further.
I would never do this unless the beholds are at a significant discount as there are too many pitfalls, such as getting a fully immortalised behold or a weak card. You also give up the chance to strategically improve your crew for the various aspects of gameplay.
Haven't come across any all-FF legendaries yet. It took a long time for me to reach that point with Super Rares. SR beholds occur nine times as often and require one less star to be FF. I know its statistically possible, and eventually inevitable, but given the size of the legendary pool and my current legendary collection...
5/5 35
4/5 15
3/5 17
2/5 26
1/5 81
...I'm far more likely to add a star to somebody. I do not recommend this tactic if you have a specific crewmember you want to cite up as soon as possible, or have a specific skill combo you want to upgrade. But if you are interested in collecting and immortalizing and you worry about honor debt, this equates to a 10% savings (several years of tapping, if various estimates are correct) at least until FF beholds start showing up. It may not fit every playing style, but it's worth considering.
I acknowledge that DB has made honor more readily available. Having said that, they have by no means opened the flood gates either. I agree that the system can be tweaked.
I also agree that rewards are skewed (IMHO). 25-1500 getting a 1/5 is off. It was off at 25-1000 before that (or even at 15-1000 if you can remember some of those events). I liked Mirror JC’s revised reward structure posted on page three I think?
I do not agree with being able to freeze a FE 1/5. The vault is for immortalized characters, and your in-game (non-vaulted) crew space is limited. Making those harder decisions about characters, values, and space is part of the game.
I will finish by saying that Renegade Captain Tom Riker (who the stolen USS Defiant) should be a 5* in the game. Just wanted to lighten it up a bit at the end.
Many interesting ideas and arguments in the thread made for a good read.
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Its been a while since I looked, but after 2+ years:
32 5/5
6 4/5
7 3/5
19 2/5
70 1/5
Here's what 3 months has done:
5/5 40, an increase of 8.
4/5 7, an increase of 1.
3/5 12, an increase of 5.
2/5 22, an increase of 3.
1/5 82, an increase of 12.
At this point only 14 out of 177 non-frozen crew are either 3 (3 - 1 leveling for dailies, 2 for Arena) or 4 stars (...and 2 of those are Coffee Janeways waiting for Mutated Paris for the last 2 stars on Evolved Janeway).
Today i had enough for merit pull and got a Captain Scott. My inital recation was "yes!!" But on reflection I am a little bit gutted it wasnt a card i could add to my other 5 star cards. My
5 star card stats as of today are:
5/5 x2 (both active, with none in cryo)
4/5 x14
3/5 x 0
2/5 x16
1/5 x 41!!!
Just wish there was a better way to choose which legendary you get. Maybe all 5 star drops should be beholds???
At this point only 14 out of 177 non-frozen crew are either 3 (3 - 1 leveling for dailies, 2 for Arena) or 4 stars (...and 2 of those are Coffee Janeways waiting for Mutated Paris for the last 2 stars on Evolved Janeway).
Same here, though I decided to stop trying hard in the Commander division of the arena. The non-event 3*/4*s that are active for me is about as short as it gets:
Arena
1/3* CO Sisko
Ardra
Undercover O’Brien
Thelin
Tarah (these last two double as vanity crew)
Gauntlet
Antaak
Doc Crusher
Mirror Phlox
Nurse Garland
Marshal of France Q
Other
Shras (vanity crew)
3/4* Leonard McCoy
1/4* Colonel Worf
3/4* Dougherty
1/4* Indignant Seven
1/4* Caveman Riker
2 Coffee Janeways and a Mutated Paris
If I ever switch my bridge crew theme, I could ice Shras and probably both Thelin and Tarah, then use some gauntleteers in their places in the Captain division of the arena. Four more months of campaign 4* citations and I can be rid of the voyage-only crew, and just a few lucky pack drops and I can freeze Dougherty and get the next star for Evolved Janeway. Being rid of Seven and Riker is a much longer game...
It’s gotten to the point where if I get a behold, unless it is a character I really really want, I always take the star, no matter how bad the character because otherwise all my crew languish in 1/5 hell.
Extras:
- 3/5 Bartender Guinan and 1/5 Armus - both lvl 1 ... just don't feel right air locking them ... yet.
- Frozen 5/5 : 1 (Minuet).
- I make a point of adding stars to crew in beholds if possible (no matter how poor the crew), unless there is an insane choice amongst the three that I don't have yet (e.g. Gary Seven, FO Burnham, Stranded Quark are exceptions).
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I would never do this unless the beholds are at a significant discount as there are too many pitfalls, such as getting a fully immortalised behold or a weak card. You also give up the chance to strategically improve your crew for the various aspects of gameplay.
1/5: 64
2/5: 11
3/5: 3
4/5: 7
5/5: 11
Haven't come across any all-FF legendaries yet. It took a long time for me to reach that point with Super Rares. SR beholds occur nine times as often and require one less star to be FF. I know its statistically possible, and eventually inevitable, but given the size of the legendary pool and my current legendary collection...
5/5 35
4/5 15
3/5 17
2/5 26
1/5 81
...I'm far more likely to add a star to somebody. I do not recommend this tactic if you have a specific crewmember you want to cite up as soon as possible, or have a specific skill combo you want to upgrade. But if you are interested in collecting and immortalizing and you worry about honor debt, this equates to a 10% savings (several years of tapping, if various estimates are correct) at least until FF beholds start showing up. It may not fit every playing style, but it's worth considering.
I also agree that rewards are skewed (IMHO). 25-1500 getting a 1/5 is off. It was off at 25-1000 before that (or even at 15-1000 if you can remember some of those events). I liked Mirror JC’s revised reward structure posted on page three I think?
I do not agree with being able to freeze a FE 1/5. The vault is for immortalized characters, and your in-game (non-vaulted) crew space is limited. Making those harder decisions about characters, values, and space is part of the game.
I will finish by saying that Renegade Captain Tom Riker (who the stolen USS Defiant) should be a 5* in the game. Just wanted to lighten it up a bit at the end.
Many interesting ideas and arguments in the thread made for a good read.
Here's what 3 months has done:
5/5 40, an increase of 8.
4/5 7, an increase of 1.
3/5 12, an increase of 5.
2/5 22, an increase of 3.
1/5 82, an increase of 12.
At this point only 14 out of 177 non-frozen crew are either 3 (3 - 1 leveling for dailies, 2 for Arena) or 4 stars (...and 2 of those are Coffee Janeways waiting for Mutated Paris for the last 2 stars on Evolved Janeway).
4/5 = 21
3/5 = 3
2/5 = 13
1/5 = 57
5/5 - 147 (+15%) which includes 5 duplicates. 54 are currently in the vault.
4/5 - 23 (+15%)
3/5 - 31 (-6.5%)
2/5 - 31 (-13%)
1/5 - 38 (+2.7%)
This does not include duplicates I haven't decided I'm keeping. In that case I would add 3 4/5, 1 3/5, 3 2/5 and 6 more 1/5.
So shockingly, despite increasing the number of immortalized legendary crew, I'm in a worse position in terms of more unfused crew.
5 star card stats as of today are:
5/5 x2 (both active, with none in cryo)
4/5 x14
3/5 x 0
2/5 x16
1/5 x 41!!!
Just wish there was a better way to choose which legendary you get. Maybe all 5 star drops should be beholds???
Same here, though I decided to stop trying hard in the Commander division of the arena. The non-event 3*/4*s that are active for me is about as short as it gets:
Arena
1/3* CO Sisko
Ardra
Undercover O’Brien
Thelin
Tarah (these last two double as vanity crew)
Gauntlet
Antaak
Doc Crusher
Mirror Phlox
Nurse Garland
Marshal of France Q
Other
Shras (vanity crew)
3/4* Leonard McCoy
1/4* Colonel Worf
3/4* Dougherty
1/4* Indignant Seven
1/4* Caveman Riker
2 Coffee Janeways and a Mutated Paris
If I ever switch my bridge crew theme, I could ice Shras and probably both Thelin and Tarah, then use some gauntleteers in their places in the Captain division of the arena. Four more months of campaign 4* citations and I can be rid of the voyage-only crew, and just a few lucky pack drops and I can freeze Dougherty and get the next star for Evolved Janeway. Being rid of Seven and Riker is a much longer game...
2/5 : 16
3/5 : 1
4/5 : 8
5/5 : 24 (23 active).
Extras:
- 3/5 Bartender Guinan and 1/5 Armus - both lvl 1 ... just don't feel right air locking them ... yet.
- Frozen 5/5 : 1 (Minuet).
- I make a point of adding stars to crew in beholds if possible (no matter how poor the crew), unless there is an insane choice amongst the three that I don't have yet (e.g. Gary Seven, FO Burnham, Stranded Quark are exceptions).