Kind of interesting that {understandably} Kes is "the most likely suspect" for the Recurring and for other versions because of the nature of the episode. And no one is saying "Kes should not be in the game" because of what the actor playing her did after she was on the show. And people get really vocal about Will Decker should never be in the game, because of the things Stephen Collins did or was accused of after he was in TMP. Just curious why no one draws parallels between the two.
From wikipedia:
"Lien has had run-ins with the law from 2012 to 2019 which resulted in her being charged with a number of offences including domestic violence, indecent exposure and vehicle-related offenses, that led the court ordering her to undergo mental health treatment.
Don't get me wrong, domestic violence is bad but there are degrees between slapping once and murder and I haven't been able to find out details, and about the rest... Who cares? She's shown her breasts to her neighbours and probably drove above the speed limit, so what? None of this justifies completely erasing her from the collective memory. She paid her debt to society, it's time to move on.
Kind of interesting that {understandably} Kes is "the most likely suspect" for the Recurring and for other versions because of the nature of the episode. And no one is saying "Kes should not be in the game" because of what the actor playing her did after she was on the show. And people get really vocal about Will Decker should never be in the game, because of the things Stephen Collins did or was accused of after he was in TMP. Just curious why no one draws parallels between the two.
From wikipedia:
"Lien has had run-ins with the law from 2012 to 2019 which resulted in her being charged with a number of offences including domestic violence, indecent exposure and vehicle-related offenses, that led the court ordering her to undergo mental health treatment.
Don't get me wrong, domestic violence is bad but there are degrees between slapping once and murder and I haven't been able to find out details, and about the rest... Who cares? She's shown her breasts to her neighbours and probably drove above the speed limit, so what? None of this justifies completely erasing her from the collective memory. She paid her debt to society, it's time to move on.
Right? If she does that to someone when she gets angry at them then If I was her neighbor I would make her angry too. Prolly the lucky guys wife who called squalleh
Im hoping for a 5 star captain Chakotay, they can make it a 1 stat with super high cmd to go with Scotty and McCoy
I am curious as to why you would pin high command on Chakotay. I know he was written with a backstory of high command and on rare occasions he was shown with command. But if you actually watch the show, you would see he needs really high diplomacy.
Im hoping for a 5 star captain Chakotay, they can make it a 1 stat with super high cmd to go with Scotty and McCoy
I am curious as to why you would pin high command on Chakotay. I know he was written with a backstory of high command and on rare occasions he was shown with command. But if you actually watch the show, you would see he needs really high diplomacy.
I think as he was the senior officer in the episode (part of it) Command would suit.
Also, it would be a rare skill set for variations of the Chakotay card, where diplomacy would be / is high in other versions.
Im hoping for a 5 star captain Chakotay, they can make it a 1 stat with super high cmd to go with Scotty and McCoy
I am curious as to why you would pin high command on Chakotay. I know he was written with a backstory of high command and on rare occasions he was shown with command. But if you actually watch the show, you would see he needs really high diplomacy.
I watched "Before and After" when we voted, as a refresher. I didn't see him do anything particularly diplomatic. During the battle with the Krenim, he watched Janeway and Torres die and told Paris to get them out of there. Later/earlier, he gave triage orders in the mess hall. The rest of the time, he was just kinda there, saying things like "Keep me informed" and nodding when other people said things. CMD is pretty much all he did as captain.
Are you kidding me? Some version of KES has got to be the recurring gold for sure! The entire episode is based around her...I mean denying her the recurring crew for Before and After would be like having had someone other than Picard as the recurring 5* for the STP mega...
Kes from some other stage of her life would still work despite Temporal Shift Kes already existing. Aside from her, the only one I could see would be Doctor Van Gogh. Captain Chakotay and Linnis ought to be two of the new 4*'s. After the four of them, I can't see any new crew of note coming from that episode. That's five other new crew slots that almost certainly have to come from outside that episode.
I'm not sure y'all really thought this one through.
Grandpa Tom Paris Married Harry Kim
Linnis Paris
Banaren (Kes' father)
Martis (Kes' mother)
Old AF Kes
Bomb Defusing Seven of Nine
Operations Officer Neelix
Captain Chakotay
Doctor Van Gogh
Ready Room Janeway
I completely forgot Kim married his best friend's daughter.
A recurring legendary Kes would be nice, or at least a new 4* Kes sometime that month, but we've seen other mega events have more... obscure recurring legendaries, so maybe it'll be someone else? Voyager was always one of my least favourite series, so I won't be miffed if it's a minor character getting the nod or something.
Recurring will be Granny Kes. Well that‘s my guess at least. 🤗
And btw i couldn t care less what an actor/actress has done in their private life. This game is about a fictional character and not the actors/actresses. Ppl should be able to get that there‘s a difference, no?
Recurring will be Granny Kes. Well that‘s my guess at least. 🤗
We have that already in game though.
Well we talk once the mega has hit. As there are many versions of different young of the same crew, there can as well be more of them as „aged“.
Plus „Fury Kes“ is from another episode and my guess is „Granny“.
Recurring will be Granny Kes. Well that‘s my guess at least. 🤗
We have that already in game though.
Well we talk once the mega has hit. As there are many versions of different young of the same crew, there can as well be more of them as „aged“.
Plus „Fury Kes“ is from another episode and my guess is „Granny“.
Recurring will be Granny Kes. Well that‘s my guess at least. 🤗
We have that already in game though.
Well we talk once the mega has hit. As there are many versions of different young of the same crew, there can as well be more of them as „aged“.
Plus „Fury Kes“ is from another episode and my guess is „Granny“.
Recurring will be Granny Kes. Well that‘s my guess at least. 🤗
We have that already in game though.
Well we talk once the mega has hit. As there are many versions of different young of the same crew, there can as well be more of them as „aged“.
Plus „Fury Kes“ is from another episode and my guess is „Granny“.
Haha, ok. Sure, why not. I like Granny.
"Temporal anomaly? I'm again' it!"
A temporal anomaly has brought the Beverly Hillbillies to Star Trek Timelines in this Mega Event. Granny as event recurring legendary needs your help:
Week 1: The Hirogen have challenged the Klingons to a physical contest of skills to see who is the ultimate warrior. In this faction event Elly May and the Hirogens have challenged Jethro and the Klingons to a wrastlin’ contest with Granny as referee.
Week 2: Granny is tired after that refereeing and needs our help in a galaxy event to get the ingredients for her Rheumatism “medicine.”
Week 3: The Ferengis have heard about the huge amount of wealth the Clampetts have and want that money taken out of Mr. Drysdale’s bank and put into theirs. In this faction event the Ferengi Alliance, and Ferengi Traditionalists are fighting over which Ferengi bank gets the money and Mr. Drysdale is working with the Federation to keep the Clampett money in his bank.
Week 4: Having failed to get the Clampett money by persuasion the Ferengis are now trying force. In this skirmish event the Clampetts must outmaneuver and outfight the Ferengi with Jethro’s driving and Jed and Granny’s shooting.
Recurring will be Granny Kes. Well that‘s my guess at least. 🤗
We have that already in game though.
Well we talk once the mega has hit. As there are many versions of different young of the same crew, there can as well be more of them as „aged“.
Plus „Fury Kes“ is from another episode and my guess is „Granny“.
Haha, ok. Sure, why not. I like Granny.
"Temporal anomaly? I'm again' it!"
A temporal anomaly has brought the Beverly Hillbillies to Star Trek Timelines in this Mega Event. Granny as event recurring legendary needs your help:
Week 4: Having failed to get the Clampett money by persuasion the Ferengis are now trying force. In this skirmish event the Clampetts must outmaneuver and outfight the Ferengi with Jethro’s driving and Jed and Granny’s shooting.
Featuring a new ship, The USS Bodine; and new 5* crew, First Officer Jane Hathaway.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing. ~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
Recurring will be Granny Kes. Well that‘s my guess at least. 🤗
We have that already in game though.
Well we talk once the mega has hit. As there are many versions of different young of the same crew, there can as well be more of them as „aged“.
Plus „Fury Kes“ is from another episode and my guess is „Granny“.
Haha, ok. Sure, why not. I like Granny.
"Temporal anomaly? I'm again' it!"
A temporal anomaly has brought the Beverly Hillbillies to Star Trek Timelines in this Mega Event. Granny as event recurring legendary needs your help:
Week 4: Having failed to get the Clampett money by persuasion the Ferengis are now trying force. In this skirmish event the Clampetts must outmaneuver and outfight the Ferengi with Jethro’s driving and Jed and Granny’s shooting.
Featuring a new ship, The USS Bodine; and new 5* crew, First Officer Jane Hathaway.
Shouldn't she be "Chief" Hathaway.....
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Recurring will be Granny Kes. Well that‘s my guess at least. 🤗
And btw i couldn t care less what an actor/actress has done in their private life. This game is about a fictional character and not the actors/actresses. Ppl should be able to get that there‘s a difference, no?
this argument always comes up whenever i suggest we should have will decker in this game, good luck making it for kes!
Recurring will be Granny Kes. Well that‘s my guess at least. 🤗
And btw i couldn t care less what an actor/actress has done in their private life. This game is about a fictional character and not the actors/actresses. Ppl should be able to get that there‘s a difference, no?
this argument always comes up whenever i suggest we should have will decker in this game, good luck making it for kes!
But, Kes is different. For some reason.
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
Well, to be fair, we already have Kes in the game. Another variant is not so big a stretch and she was main cast. On the flip side, there would only need to be one Decker. Two of you'd like to see a fused variant of him and Ilia from the end of TMP.
Collins admitted to what happened, apologized to one woman, and it seemed to be a rare thing that he grew out of. I would be okay with a Decker and I actually had someone expose themself to me when I was nine and attempt to coax further contact, plus another that made very crude remarks and wanted me to lift my shirt as an eight year old girl.
There are a few other Trek actors who have allegations made against them that we have crew for. Why single out one? Collins even admitted that he himself had been subjected to similar behavior as a boy and copying it, a bad choice, but he had a poor role model.
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I find it difficult to watch either character. And I found it difficult to use the variants of Kes that I have in the game. But they are frozen and I dont have to look at them thankfully.
I have no interest in a new Kes.
Recurring will be Granny Kes. Well that‘s my guess at least. 🤗
And btw i couldn t care less what an actor/actress has done in their private life. This game is about a fictional character and not the actors/actresses. Ppl should be able to get that there‘s a difference, no?
this argument always comes up whenever i suggest we should have will decker in this game, good luck making it for kes!
But, Kes is different. For some reason.
I already told you the reason. Let it go. It’s never gonna happen.
You really don't see a difference between someone who exposed their buttocks to a neighbor during an argument, while the neighbor's children were around, and someone who (not sure if this is ok with the TOS)
locked themselves in a room with a child and pulled down their pants to show them their main breeding device?
(and there might have been more, judging from one phrase in the leaked tape and one of the interviews to one of the victims)
Also, Lien faced legal consequences after the first incident of that kind and was held responsible.
And also, as a general recommendation, while I recognize that apologies are difficult, especially if they are public apologies, and I do believe that people can change their behavior and habits, if someone in real life gives you an apology that contains stuff like "it wasn't really that bad and it wasn't really my fault [insert alcohol, past trauma, bad examples or whatever]" then you should run.
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Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
From wikipedia:
"Lien has had run-ins with the law from 2012 to 2019 which resulted in her being charged with a number of offences including domestic violence, indecent exposure and vehicle-related offenses, that led the court ordering her to undergo mental health treatment.
Don't get me wrong, domestic violence is bad but there are degrees between slapping once and murder and I haven't been able to find out details, and about the rest... Who cares? She's shown her breasts to her neighbours and probably drove above the speed limit, so what? None of this justifies completely erasing her from the collective memory. She paid her debt to society, it's time to move on.
Right? If she does that to someone when she gets angry at them then If I was her neighbor I would make her angry too. Prolly the lucky guys wife who called squalleh
I am curious as to why you would pin high command on Chakotay. I know he was written with a backstory of high command and on rare occasions he was shown with command. But if you actually watch the show, you would see he needs really high diplomacy.
I think as he was the senior officer in the episode (part of it) Command would suit.
Also, it would be a rare skill set for variations of the Chakotay card, where diplomacy would be / is high in other versions.
I watched "Before and After" when we voted, as a refresher. I didn't see him do anything particularly diplomatic. During the battle with the Krenim, he watched Janeway and Torres die and told Paris to get them out of there. Later/earlier, he gave triage orders in the mess hall. The rest of the time, he was just kinda there, saying things like "Keep me informed" and nodding when other people said things. CMD is pretty much all he did as captain.
Yeah, the suggestion was Captain Chakotay. I dunno about the recurring 5*, but surely he'll be in the event somewhere.
I completely forgot Kim married his best friend's daughter.
A recurring legendary Kes would be nice, or at least a new 4* Kes sometime that month, but we've seen other mega events have more... obscure recurring legendaries, so maybe it'll be someone else? Voyager was always one of my least favourite series, so I won't be miffed if it's a minor character getting the nod or something.
And btw i couldn t care less what an actor/actress has done in their private life. This game is about a fictional character and not the actors/actresses. Ppl should be able to get that there‘s a difference, no?
We have that already in game though.
Well we talk once the mega has hit. As there are many versions of different young of the same crew, there can as well be more of them as „aged“.
Plus „Fury Kes“ is from another episode and my guess is „Granny“.
Haha, ok. Sure, why not. I like Granny.
"Temporal anomaly? I'm again' it!"
A temporal anomaly has brought the Beverly Hillbillies to Star Trek Timelines in this Mega Event. Granny as event recurring legendary needs your help:
Week 1: The Hirogen have challenged the Klingons to a physical contest of skills to see who is the ultimate warrior. In this faction event Elly May and the Hirogens have challenged Jethro and the Klingons to a wrastlin’ contest with Granny as referee.
Week 2: Granny is tired after that refereeing and needs our help in a galaxy event to get the ingredients for her Rheumatism “medicine.”
Week 3: The Ferengis have heard about the huge amount of wealth the Clampetts have and want that money taken out of Mr. Drysdale’s bank and put into theirs. In this faction event the Ferengi Alliance, and Ferengi Traditionalists are fighting over which Ferengi bank gets the money and Mr. Drysdale is working with the Federation to keep the Clampett money in his bank.
Week 4: Having failed to get the Clampett money by persuasion the Ferengis are now trying force. In this skirmish event the Clampetts must outmaneuver and outfight the Ferengi with Jethro’s driving and Jed and Granny’s shooting.
Featuring a new ship, The USS Bodine; and new 5* crew, First Officer Jane Hathaway.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
Edit: I thought that was a spinoff of Beverly Hillbillies. It's Green Acres, of course. D'OH
Eh, those three shared a universe. It works.
Shouldn't she be "Chief" Hathaway.....
this argument always comes up whenever i suggest we should have will decker in this game, good luck making it for kes!
But, Kes is different. For some reason.
Collins admitted to what happened, apologized to one woman, and it seemed to be a rare thing that he grew out of. I would be okay with a Decker and I actually had someone expose themself to me when I was nine and attempt to coax further contact, plus another that made very crude remarks and wanted me to lift my shirt as an eight year old girl.
There are a few other Trek actors who have allegations made against them that we have crew for. Why single out one? Collins even admitted that he himself had been subjected to similar behavior as a boy and copying it, a bad choice, but he had a poor role model.
I have no interest in a new Kes.
I already told you the reason. Let it go. It’s never gonna happen.
(and there might have been more, judging from one phrase in the leaked tape and one of the interviews to one of the victims)
Also, Lien faced legal consequences after the first incident of that kind and was held responsible.
And also, as a general recommendation, while I recognize that apologies are difficult, especially if they are public apologies, and I do believe that people can change their behavior and habits, if someone in real life gives you an apology that contains stuff like "it wasn't really that bad and it wasn't really my fault [insert alcohol, past trauma, bad examples or whatever]" then you should run.