Burnham wanted to protect the crew of the Shenzou. Her motivation was good but her choices were not. She is a flawed character. That is how the writers made her. The writers wanted the show to go in a certain direction and Burnham's actions were the plot device used to achieve it. As such I dont see her actions in episode 1 as indicative of her character and personality. But for those that dont see it the same way, in the show, her actions were not forgiven by Starfleet. She suffered serious consequences and may suffer more when her mission helping Lorca is done. But in the meantime she is doing everything she can to make amends and become a better person. I like that about her. People are not perfect. People dont always do the right thing. But if they are good people they try to make amends and not repeat the same mistakes. That is what makes her a real character and one you can like.
Who can follow her Captain Lorca into an abyss.
There's not perfect, like Paris, Quark, Ro.... then there is damaged with bad choices and serious Daddy issues. The Daddy issues are overblown melodramatic in any person that supposedly had the discipline to rise in rank. That's yet another layer in the fecal cake. And yeah adopted real world kids go through some of that. Show me a Marine or a Naval Officer in any country to be demonstrative of that and I'll show you someone on the fast track out of that service or at least not promoted, unless of course she has her rank just cause of her Daddy and not cause of anything she's capable of. Yeah she's 'real' compared to some hard luck shmoe off the street.
And though good people screw up, not all good people screw up that bad in fact very few. You might even say that makes them not good people when they do. Most folks just get a parking ticket or calc their taxes wrong.
That being said, she's on the Trek show that's being produced, so she's here.
Some folks will airlock and talk about it, then the fans of the new stuff will knock them for knocking it and the back and forth will continue with absolutely no effect on the game.
I'll probably keep her, but then again I kept the Dukat and other villains as well.
I don't know if I've missed something here, but where is Disguised Kira in the rewards? I thought she was a "Featured Crew" for this event?
I'm happy to see Rura Penthe Reed as I only have him 1/4, so he'll be immortalised before the end, but I was hoping to see a second star for my Disguised Kira as she's only 1/5 at the moment.
I can see all the other Featured Crew in the rewards table, but not her?
I don't know if I've missed something here, but where is Disguised Kira in the rewards? I thought she was a "Featured Crew" for this event?
I'm happy to see Rura Penthe Reed as I only have him 1/4, so he'll be immortalised before the end, but I was hoping to see a second star for my Disguised Kira as she's only 1/5 at the moment.
I can see all the other Featured Crew in the rewards table, but not her?
Ahh - thanks Pallidyne. Pity, but oh well..
Looks like a bit of a wait until the third re-run to get those stars for Kira...
Yeah this one is odd, as they have always in the past switched the 5s on the reruns, so Kira should have been reward and Paris in packs. But kinda, hey whatever, yano?
All chroniton rewards were were removed from the solo reward list...DB's instincts are spot-on as always...because that's what was wrong with events...too many rewards worth the effort...
All chroniton rewards were were removed from the solo reward list...DB's instincts are spot-on as always...because that's what was wrong with events...too many rewards worth the effort...
...what's wrong with these people?!
That's because the rewards table was copied from the original run. This is the second running of this event. Chrons were included in the newer faction events
All chroniton rewards were were removed from the solo reward list...DB's instincts are spot-on as always...because that's what was wrong with events...too many rewards worth the effort...
...what's wrong with these people?!
That's because the rewards table was copied from the original run. This is the second running of this event. Chrons were included in the newer faction events
All chroniton rewards were were removed from the solo reward list...DB's instincts are spot-on as always...because that's what was wrong with events...too many rewards worth the effort...
...what's wrong with these people?!
That's because the rewards table was copied from the original run. This is the second running of this event. Chrons were included in the newer faction events
Did not know that, thanks. Still blows.
Agreed, free chrons are always nice. I would not have mind an extra hundred. In many ways, DB have done things to improve the player experience and gameplay over the past year. It's given players access to more of the previously identified barriers like chrons.
Too bad they didn't leave the old mission configs in, or we'd have 2 seater shuttles.
I think we are seeing the evidence of them mucking around there (with the thread in engineering about loot)
Burnham wanted to protect the crew of the Shenzou. Her motivation was good but her choices were not. She is a flawed character. That is how the writers made her. The writers wanted the show to go in a certain direction and Burnham's actions were the plot device used to achieve it. As such I dont see her actions in episode 1 as indicative of her character and personality. But for those that dont see it the same way, in the show, her actions were not forgiven by Starfleet. She suffered serious consequences and may suffer more when her mission helping Lorca is done. But in the meantime she is doing everything she can to make amends and become a better person. I like that about her. People are not perfect. People dont always do the right thing. But if they are good people they try to make amends and not repeat the same mistakes. That is what makes her a real character and one you can like.
Who can follow her Captain Lorca into an abyss.
There's not perfect, like Paris, Quark, Ro.... then there is damaged with bad choices and serious Daddy issues. The Daddy issues are overblown melodramatic in any person that supposedly had the discipline to rise in rank. That's yet another layer in the fecal cake. And yeah adopted real world kids go through some of that. Show me a Marine or a Naval Officer in any country to be demonstrative of that and I'll show you someone on the fast track out of that service or at least not promoted, unless of course she has her rank just cause of her Daddy and not cause of anything she's capable of. Yeah she's 'real' compared to some hard luck shmoe off the street.
And though good people screw up, not all good people screw up that bad in fact very few. You might even say that makes them not good people when they do. Most folks just get a parking ticket or calc their taxes wrong.
That being said, she's on the Trek show that's being produced, so she's here.
Some folks will airlock and talk about it, then the fans of the new stuff will knock them for knocking it and the back and forth will continue with absolutely no effect on the game.
I'll probably keep her, but then again I kept the Dukat and other villains as well.
Burnham's biological parents were murdered by Klingons. Then klingons wer not seen again by the Federation until they invade Federation space and the Shenzou is sent to investigate. In discovering they are Klingons Torchbearer Rejac tries to kill Burnham. Burnham takes extensive radiation damage from which she is still recovering when Sarek, her adoptive dad, tells her that the only way Vulcans found to deal with Klingons is to shoot first at Klingons always and heavily implies Burnham should too. As Sarek raised her, whatever Sarek said was law and was to be followed without exception. He was not a loving parent, but a stern and possibly emotionally abusive one. When Burnham makes the recommendation to fire on the Klingons, Georgiou dismisses her. Burnham then pleads with Georgiou, terrified that the Shenzou would be destroyed and Georgiou, who Burnham sees as a mother figure, would be killed. The Klingons had already killed Burnham's parents, Burnham was not willing to give them another chance. Burnham follows Geogiou into her ready room and begs Georgiou to attack the Klingons and is once again dismissed. Burnahm is now full of fear the Klingons will kill Georgiou, fear she will disobey and disappoint Sarek, hate for the klingons that murdered her parents, and radiation damage to which Burnham hasnt yet been fully treated and healed. And so Burnham acts rashly, without thinking, attempts to knock out Georgiou, take command of the Shenzou, and kill the Klingons before they can kill Georgiou and everyone else on the Shenzou. Burnham did not make the right decision but there certainly were mitigating factors. She was hit with the perfect storm of fear, hate, and danger and she failed. She is only human and this situation overwhelmed her like no other would have. You can hate Burnham if you want and not care about her attempts to make amends but her treason was not a simple act born from evil but an attempt to save everyone. I do not think she should be called a "villain."
Burnham wanted to protect the crew of the Shenzou. Her motivation was good but her choices were not. She is a flawed character. That is how the writers made her. The writers wanted the show to go in a certain direction and Burnham's actions were the plot device used to achieve it. As such I dont see her actions in episode 1 as indicative of her character and personality. But for those that dont see it the same way, in the show, her actions were not forgiven by Starfleet. She suffered serious consequences and may suffer more when her mission helping Lorca is done. But in the meantime she is doing everything she can to make amends and become a better person. I like that about her. People are not perfect. People dont always do the right thing. But if they are good people they try to make amends and not repeat the same mistakes. That is what makes her a real character and one you can like.
Who can follow her Captain Lorca into an abyss.
There's not perfect, like Paris, Quark, Ro.... then there is damaged with bad choices and serious Daddy issues. The Daddy issues are overblown melodramatic in any person that supposedly had the discipline to rise in rank. That's yet another layer in the fecal cake. And yeah adopted real world kids go through some of that. Show me a Marine or a Naval Officer in any country to be demonstrative of that and I'll show you someone on the fast track out of that service or at least not promoted, unless of course she has her rank just cause of her Daddy and not cause of anything she's capable of. Yeah she's 'real' compared to some hard luck shmoe off the street.
And though good people screw up, not all good people screw up that bad in fact very few. You might even say that makes them not good people when they do. Most folks just get a parking ticket or calc their taxes wrong.
That being said, she's on the Trek show that's being produced, so she's here.
Some folks will airlock and talk about it, then the fans of the new stuff will knock them for knocking it and the back and forth will continue with absolutely no effect on the game.
I'll probably keep her, but then again I kept the Dukat and other villains as well.
Burnham's biological parents were murdered by Klingons. Then klingons wer not seen again by the Federation until they invade Federation space and the Shenzou is sent to investigate. In discovering they are Klingons Torchbearer Rejac tries to kill Burnham. Burnham takes extensive radiation damage from which she is still recovering when Sarek, her adoptive dad, tells her that the only way Vulcans found to deal with Klingons is to shoot first at Klingons always and heavily implies Burnham should too. As Sarek raised her, whatever Sarek said was law and was to be followed without exception. He was not a loving parent, but a stern and possibly emotionally abusive one. When Burnham makes the recommendation to fire on the Klingons, Georgiou dismisses her. Burnham then pleads with Georgiou, terrified that the Shenzou would be destroyed and Georgiou, who Burnham sees as a mother figure, would be killed. The Klingons had already killed Burnham's parents, Burnham was not willing to give them another chance. Burnham follows Geogiou into her ready room and begs Georgiou to attack the Klingons and is once again dismissed. Burnahm is now full of fear the Klingons will kill Georgiou, fear she will disobey and disappoint Sarek, hate for the klingons that murdered her parents, and radiation damage to which Burnham hasnt yet been fully treated and healed. And so Burnham acts rashly, without thinking, attempts to knock out Georgiou, take command of the Shenzou, and kill the Klingons before they can kill Georgiou and everyone else on the Shenzou. Burnham did not make the right decision but there certainly were mitigating factors. She was hit with the perfect storm of fear, hate, and danger and she failed. She is only human and this situation overwhelmed her like no other would have. You can hate Burnham if you want and not care about her attempts to make amends but her treason was not a simple act born from evil but an attempt to save everyone. I do not think she should be called a "villain."
How about cautionary tale of "Don't be this person"? But no, make her a lead. Yeah, that's the ticket. Make the fallen broken one (and the Daddy issues are not limited to just the pilot, there's no other term for them) the lead and focus. Make her 'real', because reality is that we all are broken and should make more bad decisions.
And with all this victim justification, you know what, folks in the militaries of several countries face stress and fear all the damn time. If you can't deal, you shouldn't put a uniform on. And if you think you can deal but you're that broken, the psyche test should flunk you out. So she's either evil or woefully incompetent and should never have achieved anything above helmsman.
Those who have lost their parents to citizens the same country that they are in particularly in a subset of US Troops, who've never met a member of that religion or racial subset before.
And BTW, Stalin thought he was saving humanity, too. And Jim Jones started with good intentions. David Duke and Farrakhan think they are just defending their people out of fear and stress. Gavrilo Princip thought he was championing his people. Folks acting that badly out of fear in our society are usually reviled and have life/career ending dispositions, not ending up in a command track position.
At least Ro and Paris not only had their prison time but were never really allowed to command anything bigger than an away mission. And their misdeeds were quite minor in comparison.
But as we've seen with a certain Admiral as well as so many other characters, this "Starfleet" is the epitome of either ineptitude or radical 'ends justify the means' for any ethics based decision. (With one notable exception.)
In short Mikey B is the EXACT person we do NOT need to enhance nor spotlight, especially in this current political and world climate. Her fear based evil deeds are exactly what is wrong with so many people right now, and this encourages it, and enhances it.
In the past Star Trek showed us who we could be, with some warts thrown in, Mikey B reflects back up the suckage and we justify it, saying that's 'real' and that's all we will ever be. And victims are OK to do bad things... that's just their nature. That is a true evil.
Burnham's biological parents were murdered by Klingons. Then klingons wer not seen again by the Federation until they invade Federation space and the Shenzou is sent to investigate. In discovering they are Klingons Torchbearer Rejac tries to kill Burnham. Burnham takes extensive radiation damage from which she is still recovering when Sarek, her adoptive dad, tells her that the only way Vulcans found to deal with Klingons is to shoot first at Klingons always and heavily implies Burnham should too. As Sarek raised her, whatever Sarek said was law and was to be followed without exception. He was not a loving parent, but a stern and possibly emotionally abusive one. When Burnham makes the recommendation to fire on the Klingons, Georgiou dismisses her. Burnham then pleads with Georgiou, terrified that the Shenzou would be destroyed and Georgiou, who Burnham sees as a mother figure, would be killed. The Klingons had already killed Burnham's parents, Burnham was not willing to give them another chance. Burnham follows Geogiou into her ready room and begs Georgiou to attack the Klingons and is once again dismissed. Burnahm is now full of fear the Klingons will kill Georgiou, fear she will disobey and disappoint Sarek, hate for the klingons that murdered her parents, and radiation damage to which Burnham hasnt yet been fully treated and healed. And so Burnham acts rashly, without thinking, attempts to knock out Georgiou, take command of the Shenzou, and kill the Klingons before they can kill Georgiou and everyone else on the Shenzou. Burnham did not make the right decision but there certainly were mitigating factors. She was hit with the perfect storm of fear, hate, and danger and she failed. She is only human and this situation overwhelmed her like no other would have. You can hate Burnham if you want and not care about her attempts to make amends but her treason was not a simple act born from evil but an attempt to save everyone. I do not think she should be called a "villain."
One of the things I immediately thought during the "go to Sarek for advice" scene was...oh man she is asking the wrong questions. And when Sarek gave the answer I thought; how could he not tell her these are the wrong questions?
How did the Vulcans gain peace with the Klingons is a macro question. That answer should be something Starfleet decides on. The Shenzou does not need/want to gain peace with the entire Klingon race. The Shenzou needs to get out of that situation and at the same time protect the defenseless colonies.
Burnham never asked that question, and Sarek never gave her advice on how to do that. He said Vulcan ships would engage every single Klingon ship they ran into until the Klingons agreed to a peace treaty. That works because as Martok said to Worf "we do not make peace with races we should be conquering". Once the Klingons saw the Vulcans understood them they were willing to talk peace. As Ch'Pok told Sisko in DS9 Rules of Engagement (when Worf was on trial) to Klingons everything is a battle. Klingon doctors do not cure diseases they defeat them. Truth must be won. etc.
So engaging the Klingons might be a way for long term peace not a way out of that situation. Think about it; not every Vulcan ship that engaged the Klingons would have survived. Some of them would have been lost and many others would have had casualties. That is not a solution Burnham should have been seeking and Sarek should have said so!
And as for how the show is presenting a broken character in Starfleet...um she was in prison for LIFE. Lorca got her out. Any blame for her not serving her time is on him. She has expressed several times that she belongs in prison and she intends to return as soon as Lorca lets her/the war is over. I don't know what other contrition she could show.
Tom Paris was given a similar deal by Janeway as the start of Voayger. Mid-way of the mission he disobeyed orders. Was demoted, and spent 30 days in the bridge. Got out. Was re-promoted...again...Meanwhile Harry Kim is an Ensign for 7 years.
Anyway I alway love when despite the constant trolling on this site an actual Star Trek discussion breaks out.
Thank you, LLAP
And, while Burnham has all the Vulcan training to control her emotions, like all Vulcans, when the emotions do become uncontrolled they become excessively irrational. Way beyond the usual human irrational behaviour. Starfleet, having little if any experience of this behaviour, will not understand Burnham's fit of irrationality (as much as I was sitting there thinking huh? Wtf Burnham?) and so she became branded as a mutineer, a traitor. In later years federation crew behave in far worse ways and all is somehow forgiven. So yeah, she's not that bad. Please forgive her!
If Michael Burnham wasnt the lead no one would care about her mutiny or her attempts to make amends. I did not say what she did was right, simply that there were mitigating factors. It is very easy to judge others when you do not have their circumstances and problems and are not in their situation. I am not excusing her behavior, simply pointing out the world is not black and white. Many situations are nuanced with shades of grey. In the other treks, officers disobeyed orders and did wrong things with little if any consequences. Tom Paris did face some consequences but it was not gone into detail much except for one episode and a slight mention in another episode when Tom was reinstated as Lieutenant. Discovery is highlighting the consequences and path to redemption more. Burnham has lost all rank and has never lead anything, even an away mission since her mutiny. She has no rank and almost gets killed many episodes trying to help the Federation and make amends when she could be instead sitting safe in a prison cell. Lorca does lead a ship but he was going to be removed from command when the Admiral was kidnapped. I do not say the Discovery characters are more real because some of them do questionable things. I say Discovery characters are more real because the show goes into greater detail into all of the characters personalities and tries to shows us not just what they do but why they do it. They go into this detail in all of the main characters. It is absurd to say that Stalin, David Duke, Jim Jones and other evil men started with good intentions. You are stating a controversial opinion with no facts backing that statement up and declaring that everyone agrees with that position. Even more absurd to compare Michael Burnham to evil men of history as if by that comparison now Michael Burnham is evil. It is illogical. I think we see Michael Burnham differently. I see her as someone who did something wrong and is trying to make amends. I do not praise her misdeed but I do praise her attempts to make amends.
Well, I mistakenly thought Paris would be in the $50 event pack since I'm used to seeing the same crew member in both the first two packs (I guess I haven't paid much attention to events with two 5*), and I didn't feel like tossing out $100.
So I spent all my saved up dilithium plus $20 (about 6500 total) on event packs and pulled... 5 Kiras, no Paris. I guess I'll buy the $25 pack for five more chances but the odds aren't looking good.
EDIT: Did two more pulls, finally got a copy. **tsk tsk** I could only get 1* on him but it's better than nothing.
I am sorry Valend. Keep all the copies of the Kiras and file a ticket with db. Maybe they can help.
I'm sorry, but what would be the justification for a ticket? Let's please not encourage tickets for "I didn't get what I hoped for" when support is already backlogged.
I am sorry Valend. Keep all the copies of the Kiras and file a ticket with db. Maybe they can help.
I'm sorry, but what would be the justification for a ticket? Let's please not encourage tickets for "I didn't get what I hoped for" when support is already backlogged.
Star Trek Timelines can only continue if people spend money on the game. If people buy packages and deals and become overly frustrated by the results they will stop spending and the game ends. DB is a good company and understands this. I do not speak for DB nor did I promise they would do anything to help. I simply said he could try and they may be able to help.
If people buy packages and deals and become overly frustrated by the results they will stop spending and the game ends. DB is a good company and understands this. I do not speak for DB nor did I promise they would do anything to help. I simply said he could try and they may be able to help.
They've officially stated that no compensation will be given for beholds with all 3 crew FF, and yet we're suggesting people open a ticket because they got 5 legendaries in 10 pulls, but not the one they wanted?
I know you're not speaking for DB nor are you promising anything. But frivolous support tickets don't help anyone, and complaining about 5 Kiras in 10 event pulls qualifies as frivolous in my book.
If people buy packages and deals and become overly frustrated by the results they will stop spending and the game ends. DB is a good company and understands this. I do not speak for DB nor did I promise they would do anything to help. I simply said he could try and they may be able to help.
They've officially stated that no compensation will be given for beholds with all 3 crew FF, and yet we're suggesting people open a ticket because they got 5 legendaries in 10 pulls, but not the one they wanted?
I know you're not speaking for DB nor are you promising anything. But frivolous support tickets don't help anyone, and complaining about 5 Kiras in 10 event pulls qualifies as frivolous in my book.
I am sorry Valend. Keep all the copies of the Kiras and file a ticket with db. Maybe they can help.
I'm sorry, but what would be the justification for a ticket? Let's please not encourage tickets for "I didn't get what I hoped for" when support is already backlogged.
Nope, I won't, submitting a ticket never crossed my mind - I knew what I was getting myself into and that this might happen. If anything I was pretty lucky to get so many legendary pulls, even if it wasn't for the crew member I wanted, and I can't complain too much about having another FF 5*.
Does anyone know when the event packs expire? Thinking about buying the $25 pack tomorrow and waiting three days (from this afternoon) before I open them so that my $25 legendary crew offer has time to refresh in case I manage to pull another Paris. I'm like 90% sure the packs will still be available on Monday but it's been a while since I paid attention.
Otherwise... it'll be a long road trying to star him up from 1* with honor citations, and I have other legendaries it would honestly be better to use those on.
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Who can follow her Captain Lorca into an abyss.
There's not perfect, like Paris, Quark, Ro.... then there is damaged with bad choices and serious Daddy issues. The Daddy issues are overblown melodramatic in any person that supposedly had the discipline to rise in rank. That's yet another layer in the fecal cake. And yeah adopted real world kids go through some of that. Show me a Marine or a Naval Officer in any country to be demonstrative of that and I'll show you someone on the fast track out of that service or at least not promoted, unless of course she has her rank just cause of her Daddy and not cause of anything she's capable of. Yeah she's 'real' compared to some hard luck shmoe off the street.
And though good people screw up, not all good people screw up that bad in fact very few. You might even say that makes them not good people when they do. Most folks just get a parking ticket or calc their taxes wrong.
That being said, she's on the Trek show that's being produced, so she's here.
Some folks will airlock and talk about it, then the fans of the new stuff will knock them for knocking it and the back and forth will continue with absolutely no effect on the game.
I'll probably keep her, but then again I kept the Dukat and other villains as well.
I'm happy to see Rura Penthe Reed as I only have him 1/4, so he'll be immortalised before the end, but I was hoping to see a second star for my Disguised Kira as she's only 1/5 at the moment.
I can see all the other Featured Crew in the rewards table, but not her?
When there are 2 5*s one will be pack only.
Looks like a bit of a wait until the third re-run to get those stars for Kira...
Yeah this one is odd, as they have always in the past switched the 5s on the reruns, so Kira should have been reward and Paris in packs. But kinda, hey whatever, yano?
It's covered in the few posts immediately prior to yours.
...what's wrong with these people?!
That's because the rewards table was copied from the original run. This is the second running of this event. Chrons were included in the newer faction events
Did not know that, thanks. Still blows.
Agreed, free chrons are always nice. I would not have mind an extra hundred. In many ways, DB have done things to improve the player experience and gameplay over the past year. It's given players access to more of the previously identified barriers like chrons.
I think we are seeing the evidence of them mucking around there (with the thread in engineering about loot)
Burnham's biological parents were murdered by Klingons. Then klingons wer not seen again by the Federation until they invade Federation space and the Shenzou is sent to investigate. In discovering they are Klingons Torchbearer Rejac tries to kill Burnham. Burnham takes extensive radiation damage from which she is still recovering when Sarek, her adoptive dad, tells her that the only way Vulcans found to deal with Klingons is to shoot first at Klingons always and heavily implies Burnham should too. As Sarek raised her, whatever Sarek said was law and was to be followed without exception. He was not a loving parent, but a stern and possibly emotionally abusive one. When Burnham makes the recommendation to fire on the Klingons, Georgiou dismisses her. Burnham then pleads with Georgiou, terrified that the Shenzou would be destroyed and Georgiou, who Burnham sees as a mother figure, would be killed. The Klingons had already killed Burnham's parents, Burnham was not willing to give them another chance. Burnham follows Geogiou into her ready room and begs Georgiou to attack the Klingons and is once again dismissed. Burnahm is now full of fear the Klingons will kill Georgiou, fear she will disobey and disappoint Sarek, hate for the klingons that murdered her parents, and radiation damage to which Burnham hasnt yet been fully treated and healed. And so Burnham acts rashly, without thinking, attempts to knock out Georgiou, take command of the Shenzou, and kill the Klingons before they can kill Georgiou and everyone else on the Shenzou. Burnham did not make the right decision but there certainly were mitigating factors. She was hit with the perfect storm of fear, hate, and danger and she failed. She is only human and this situation overwhelmed her like no other would have. You can hate Burnham if you want and not care about her attempts to make amends but her treason was not a simple act born from evil but an attempt to save everyone. I do not think she should be called a "villain."
How about cautionary tale of "Don't be this person"? But no, make her a lead. Yeah, that's the ticket. Make the fallen broken one (and the Daddy issues are not limited to just the pilot, there's no other term for them) the lead and focus. Make her 'real', because reality is that we all are broken and should make more bad decisions.
And with all this victim justification, you know what, folks in the militaries of several countries face stress and fear all the damn time. If you can't deal, you shouldn't put a uniform on. And if you think you can deal but you're that broken, the psyche test should flunk you out. So she's either evil or woefully incompetent and should never have achieved anything above helmsman.
Those who have lost their parents to citizens the same country that they are in particularly in a subset of US Troops, who've never met a member of that religion or racial subset before.
And BTW, Stalin thought he was saving humanity, too. And Jim Jones started with good intentions. David Duke and Farrakhan think they are just defending their people out of fear and stress. Gavrilo Princip thought he was championing his people. Folks acting that badly out of fear in our society are usually reviled and have life/career ending dispositions, not ending up in a command track position.
At least Ro and Paris not only had their prison time but were never really allowed to command anything bigger than an away mission. And their misdeeds were quite minor in comparison.
But as we've seen with a certain Admiral as well as so many other characters, this "Starfleet" is the epitome of either ineptitude or radical 'ends justify the means' for any ethics based decision. (With one notable exception.)
In short Mikey B is the EXACT person we do NOT need to enhance nor spotlight, especially in this current political and world climate. Her fear based evil deeds are exactly what is wrong with so many people right now, and this encourages it, and enhances it.
In the past Star Trek showed us who we could be, with some warts thrown in, Mikey B reflects back up the suckage and we justify it, saying that's 'real' and that's all we will ever be. And victims are OK to do bad things... that's just their nature. That is a true evil.
Its not. It was a joke. You think I was seriously responding to the hate filled diatribe. You can miss me with that one.
One of the things I immediately thought during the "go to Sarek for advice" scene was...oh man she is asking the wrong questions. And when Sarek gave the answer I thought; how could he not tell her these are the wrong questions?
How did the Vulcans gain peace with the Klingons is a macro question. That answer should be something Starfleet decides on. The Shenzou does not need/want to gain peace with the entire Klingon race. The Shenzou needs to get out of that situation and at the same time protect the defenseless colonies.
Burnham never asked that question, and Sarek never gave her advice on how to do that. He said Vulcan ships would engage every single Klingon ship they ran into until the Klingons agreed to a peace treaty. That works because as Martok said to Worf "we do not make peace with races we should be conquering". Once the Klingons saw the Vulcans understood them they were willing to talk peace. As Ch'Pok told Sisko in DS9 Rules of Engagement (when Worf was on trial) to Klingons everything is a battle. Klingon doctors do not cure diseases they defeat them. Truth must be won. etc.
So engaging the Klingons might be a way for long term peace not a way out of that situation. Think about it; not every Vulcan ship that engaged the Klingons would have survived. Some of them would have been lost and many others would have had casualties. That is not a solution Burnham should have been seeking and Sarek should have said so!
And as for how the show is presenting a broken character in Starfleet...um she was in prison for LIFE. Lorca got her out. Any blame for her not serving her time is on him. She has expressed several times that she belongs in prison and she intends to return as soon as Lorca lets her/the war is over. I don't know what other contrition she could show.
Tom Paris was given a similar deal by Janeway as the start of Voayger. Mid-way of the mission he disobeyed orders. Was demoted, and spent 30 days in the bridge. Got out. Was re-promoted...again...Meanwhile Harry Kim is an Ensign for 7 years.
Anyway I alway love when despite the constant trolling on this site an actual Star Trek discussion breaks out.
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So I spent all my saved up dilithium plus $20 (about 6500 total) on event packs and pulled... 5 Kiras, no Paris. I guess I'll buy the $25 pack for five more chances but the odds aren't looking good.
EDIT: Did two more pulls, finally got a copy. **tsk tsk** I could only get 1* on him but it's better than nothing.
I'm sorry, but what would be the justification for a ticket? Let's please not encourage tickets for "I didn't get what I hoped for" when support is already backlogged.
They've officially stated that no compensation will be given for beholds with all 3 crew FF, and yet we're suggesting people open a ticket because they got 5 legendaries in 10 pulls, but not the one they wanted?
I know you're not speaking for DB nor are you promising anything. But frivolous support tickets don't help anyone, and complaining about 5 Kiras in 10 event pulls qualifies as frivolous in my book.
And clog and already clogged pipe.
Nope, I won't, submitting a ticket never crossed my mind - I knew what I was getting myself into and that this might happen. If anything I was pretty lucky to get so many legendary pulls, even if it wasn't for the crew member I wanted, and I can't complain too much about having another FF 5*.
Does anyone know when the event packs expire? Thinking about buying the $25 pack tomorrow and waiting three days (from this afternoon) before I open them so that my $25 legendary crew offer has time to refresh in case I manage to pull another Paris. I'm like 90% sure the packs will still be available on Monday but it's been a while since I paid attention.
Otherwise... it'll be a long road trying to star him up from 1* with honor citations, and I have other legendaries it would honestly be better to use those on.