I'd be down for this. I accept the Kelvin characters if they would get rid of the non-canon characters. I mean, would Quinto Spock really be worse than 23rd century Martok?
Yes, Syler Spock is worse.
Actually if you watch the Heroes episodes that would have been filmed around the time the first movie was being filmed (which I don't recommend because at that point the series had basically fallen flat on its face), Sylar randomly starts raising his eyebrow at things. Also it's basically the last time Sylar acts all cold and stuff. Just a thing I found amusing at the time.
But tbh when I heard Sylar was cast as Spock I didn't mind it too much (compared to Chris Pine as Kirk), since he did a decent job as Sylar in S1 and seemed like he could do detached-with-hidden-emotions decently. Turns out though he just played Spock like he secretly wanted to kill everyone anyways. *sigh*
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I need a whitewashed Khan in this game like I needed a whitewashed Khan in the movie....
To be fair, OG Khan was a Hispanic man playing an Indian character, so it's still an unfortunate case of "generically brown will do". But yeah, making him a straight-up white dude pushed it a bit too far for me. And Ricardo Montalban was straight up amazing (plus pecks), compared to Cumberbatch who's okay, but not great (also no pecks).
Difference being, Montalban was cast in 1967, whereas Cumberbatch was cast in 2012. You'd think there'd be some progress after 42 years, not massive regression.
Even dumber, Cumberbatch looks like frakkin' Joachim from Wrath of Khan. They could have just made him that character, and left Khan inside a cryotube as a later/future threat.
Not that that alone would fix that film... it's a mess start to finish. How many times are you going to have Spock get emotional?
I need a whitewashed Khan in this game like I needed a whitewashed Khan in the movie....
To be fair, OG Khan was a Hispanic man playing an Indian character, so it's still an unfortunate case of "generically brown will do". But yeah, making him a straight-up white dude pushed it a bit too far for me. And Ricardo Montalban was straight up amazing (plus pecks), compared to Cumberbatch who's okay, but not great (also no pecks).
Difference being, Montalban was cast in 1967, whereas Cumberbatch was cast in 2012. You'd think there'd be some progress after 42 years, not massive regression.
Even dumber, Cumberbatch looks like frakkin' Joachim from Wrath of Khan. They could have just made him that character, and left Khan inside a cryotube as a later/future threat.
Not that that alone would fix that film... it's a mess start to finish. How many times are you going to have Spock get emotional?
Agreed and agreed. Questionable casting when it comes to race was sort of standard at that point. And while it's no excuse, it's understandable.
Cumberbatch in 2012 though, that just seems like they wanted to use one of the big name actors of the moment, and they didn't care if it made changing a traditionally non-white character into a white one. If they were going to pull that kind of stunt, couldn't have at least made him Joachim as you suggested, or an entirely different character.
Also according to the Kelvin-verse Spock is just a slobbering mess of emotions that he barely keeps in check. It's annoying.
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This is true, but apparently, one thing that this merger won't have to deal with that many other corporate mergers do, is a drawn-out approval process by Uncle Sam. From a Deadline article:
The Department of Justice and Federal Communications Commission treat the two media companies as if they are the same, from the point of view of granting broadcast licenses and cross-ownership restrictions, [Needham & Co. media analyst Laura Martin] notes.
“The good news here is that if CBS and Viacom decide to merge, we foresee no regulatory hurdles,” Martin wrote in a recent analyst note.
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Deals like this take time, and then from there more time.
This is true, but apparently, one thing that this merger won't have to deal with that many other corporate mergers do, is a drawn-out approval process by Uncle Sam. From a Deadline article:
The Department of Justice and Federal Communications Commission treat the two media companies as if they are the same, from the point of view of granting broadcast licenses and cross-ownership restrictions, [Needham & Co. media analyst Laura Martin] notes.
“The good news here is that if CBS and Viacom decide to merge, we foresee no regulatory hurdles,” Martin wrote in a recent analyst note.
I still haven't understood why IDW, Pocket Books, Star Trek Online, etc. have had the rights to the Kelvinverse along with the prime universe but DB hasn't. I've been hoping that the appearance of the IDW "Mirror Broken" crew that by the transitive property of licensing that the Kelvinverse stuff would make its way into Timelines.
Having to deal with Discovery is bad enough, I don't need even more Star-Trek-in-name-only stuff in this game.
A lot of us like Discovery.
There were a few things I liked from the Kelvin films (time travel reboot aspect of the first, Pegg as Scotty, Judge Dredd as McCoy, etc) but overall I thought they were okay. The 1st wasn't bad, the 2nd was terrible, and the 3rd was harmless fun .
I wouldn't be opposed to Kelvin characters appearing in Timelines and it certainly wouldn't be the tipping point for me. It's like what those Vulcans say: "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations"
In some ways it might be cool. I did like the last one except for the song at the end. I do remember walking out of the first one mad though. But I love discovery so I guess it depends on my mood.
I quite enjoyed the movies and was excited to have something/anything star trek to watch when they came out. I was glad to support them in hopes that more would keep coming. I thought the way they did it was a great way to avoid offending long time Trek fans and for a production company who wasn't going to follow canon. Basically a whole new universe for non-trekkies, but similarities for those trekkie fans to enjoy. Only complaint, was more Scottie! Simon Pegg's scenes were my fave. Hoping for a legendary Keenser card!
Just out of curiosity, how many Kelvin haters enjoy Discovery?
Speaking for myself, I wouldn't say I "hate" the Kelvin timeline movies — they just don't feel very Trek-like to me (and the emo Spock characterization bothers me, as well). As sci-fi/space/action films, they're enjoyable — and I don't have a problem with the actors themselves, as long as I separate them from the TOS characters with whom I'm so familiar.
I wasn't getting a Trek-like vibe from Discovery at first, but it got closer and closer as the season progressed (and producers are saying S2 will have more of a familiar Trek feel to it). By the time of the 2nd half of DSC's inaugural season, I found myself quite enjoying it. Still many things that I'd like them to address in the show's future, but overall it had a lot going for it.
But I wouldn't have a problem with Kelvin-verse characters showing up in STT. Some I would enjoy having in my roster far more than others, no doubt, but personally, I think it'd help keep the game interesting.
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That was my view of Discovery too. The 'Klingons' might as well have been a brand new species for any resemblance they had with the previous ones, Burnham was a blatant Mary Sue stand-in and not very likeable, the crew spent more time sniping at each other than actually working together. It just didn't say Trek to me at all, more a BSG wannabe. By the end of the season though, it graduated to "This has promise." Lorca was the stand-out for me, followed probably by Saru. I still don't like Burnham and think making her the primary focus of the show was a mistake, but there's enough going on elsewhere for me to be at least hopeful for season two. A rocky first year, but to be honest what Trek show hasn't had that?
Kelvinverse? First film: I liked McCoy and Scotty, not so much Kirk and Spock. The Narada derailed the timeline we all know and love big time with Vulcan's destruction, but that was kind of the point. I'm a fan of alternate universe stories, so that wasn't a red line for me. It was a mixed bag, but decent enough for what it was. Second film was worse. It should never have gone down the remake route, the story was done so much better in 1982. Kirk and Spock's 'friendship' had no real foundation never mind build-up, so the 'death' scene had no gravitas as a result. And Khan was forgettable, which for the main villain isn't good. Thought Peter Weller did alright with Admiral Marcus though, and it was a nice way to get Carol in. Third film: I have to admit I haven't seen it yet, the DVD is still on my To Watch pile.
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I don't dislike the Kelvin movies, like someone else said, I quite enjoyed the first one.
And I will spend beaucoups money for Chris Pine in my roster, lordy jesus that man is so fine.
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I also would like Nero if they did this. He wasn't as Romulan as any of us are used to, but he was Romulan, and we need more of those even if this new mega has all Romulans in the next 3 events.
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After a Wrinkle in Time, I kinda hope Chris Pine gets exiled to the stage in the UK or some such.
I wouldn't do that to the UK stage, personally. I quite enjoy it.
Ukrane maybe? International Space Station Waste Extraction?
It's funny and should tell you how much DSC and Abrams have gotten me to care less and less about Trek in general. I'm more pissed about wtf a Wrinkle in Time did vs the source material than any of those. (Still not as bad a the former attempt at a Wrinkle movie, but damn, someone at Disney really hates some of the main characters in the book.) And Pine's portrayal even with weak source material is weak sauce.
Non-Kelvinverse is ten films and over 700 episodes, including 72 from TOS.
Even if Kelvinverse makes it in, there would be few characters used. I would welcome the additions rather than throw my toys out of the pram. We might get Jaylah.
when the most likable character in your movie is literally named after jennifer lawrence, you may want to reexamine some of the choices you've made...
Although the idea of traveling to the Klingon home world in a day destroys the idea of needing 5 year voyages. And let's just pretend that the whole transport that far never happened.
Just out of curiosity, how many Kelvin haters enjoy Discovery?
Why is it that these days many people treat the world and their fellow man/women as "left vs right" or "them against us"... it almost is feels as if everything is treated as a win or lose race.
We are all here because we love Star Trek... Yes I like some shows or films or books better than others but I am not "against" any Star Trek nor would I refer to others as "haters".
Just out of curiosity, how many Kelvin haters enjoy Discovery?
Why is it that these days many people treat the world and their fellow man/women as "left vs right" or "them against us"... it almost is feels as if everything is treated as a win or lose race.
We are all here because we love Star Trek... Yes I like some shows or films or books better than others but I am not "against" any Star Trek nor would I refer to others as "haters".
The minute that happens will see my departure from this game. One of the reasons I enjoy this game is the lack of Kelvin Universe characters. For me, the Kelvin Universe is "Star Trek" in name only.
I know this is just my opinion, and there are many who would welcome the addition of Kelvin universe characters. But I thought I'd provide my two pence.
There are plenty in this thread alone that want it "their way or the highway" in terms of what they dictate is or is not Trek.
I enjoyed the Kelvin movies for what they were, SciFi. I liked that ST got a reboot in the hopes that it would bring Trek to a new generation. One that craves action and explosions. If that brings a few to enjoy the cannon versions with the philosophy, then I say great.
I was on the fence with Disco till the last 5 minutes of the season finale. I am now hopeful for the second season.
Just out of curiosity, how many Kelvin haters enjoy Discovery?
To be specific about my Kelvin timeline feelings, I like 2/3rds of 2009 until they destroyed Vulcan and made Spock emo, despise the ham-handed story regurgitation, plot holes and whitewashing of Into Darkness, and really enjoyed Beyond for finally understanding the relationships between the main characters, though it needed one or two sub-acts to flesh it out. All three Kelvin films suffer the classic Star Trek movie trap of an underdeveloped or poorly conceived villain.
I love Discovery overall, from it's art direction to cinematography to costume and makeup design. I have no problem with the look of the Uruk-hai Klingons - far more realistic to have diversity within a species - but the Klingon War storyline IS terribly underwritten. The show takes off when they enter the Mirror Universe, where you can tell the writers were clearly having much more fun. And the finale, while enjoyable, is WAY too rushed, and the under-development of the Klingon storyline really shows in the ending of the season.
And I think both the Kelvin timeline and Discovery did pretty great jobs with casting.
Just out of curiosity, how many Kelvin haters enjoy Discovery?
Why is it that these days many people treat the world and their fellow man/women as "left vs right" or "them against us"... it almost is feels as if everything is treated as a win or lose race.
We are all here because we love Star Trek... Yes I like some shows or films or books better than others but I am not "against" any Star Trek nor would I refer to others as "haters".
The minute that happens will see my departure from this game. One of the reasons I enjoy this game is the lack of Kelvin Universe characters. For me, the Kelvin Universe is "Star Trek" in name only.
I know this is just my opinion, and there are many who would welcome the addition of Kelvin universe characters. But I thought I'd provide my two pence.
There are plenty in this thread alone that want it "their way or the highway" in terms of what they dictate is or is not Trek.
And there are plenty of 'love it or get outa here' anti-haters too....
The JJ movies were great! I really dont understand the Star Trek fans that hate every new star trek movie and tv show. They hate every new show and movie no matter what it is and continue to hate it until something newer comes along and then they say, "this new stuff is terrible, I hate it, why cant it be like the slightly older stuff that I said I hated before?" You guys hated TNG because it was a new cast. You guys hated DS9 because it was a space station not a ship. You guys hated Voyager cause it wasnt in the alpha quadrant and was too Lost in Space. You guys hated Enterprise because it was a prequel. And now you hate JJ Trek movies and Discovery. Be honest, was there any star trek show or movie that you liked when it actually came out? Do you really even like Star Trek when you do everything you can to rail against any new Star Trek and to ensure that no new Star Trek movies or shows are ever made?
The JJ movies were great! I really dont understand the Star Trek fans that hate every new star trek movie and tv show. They hate every new show and movie no matter what it is and continue to hate it until something newer comes along and then they say, "this new stuff is terrible, I hate it, why cant it be like the slightly older stuff that I said I hated before?" You guys hated TNG because it was a new cast. You guys hated DS9 because it was a space station not a ship. You guys hated Voyager cause it wasnt in the alpha quadrant and was too Lost in Space. You guys hated Enterprise because it was a prequel. And now you hate JJ Trek movies and Discovery. Be honest, was there any star trek show or movie that you liked when it actually came out? Do you really even like Star Trek when you do everything you can to rail against any new Star Trek and to ensure that no new Star Trek movies or shows are ever made?
Thats a pretty damn broad brush stroke. The "you" grouping above is asinine. Yes there were some folks who dropped off at each show. Do those who disagree with you get thrown in with the white nationalists who didn't like Sisko or the misogynists who didn't think a woman should be captain as well?
Some of us hung with it a long time. Watching TOS actually on TV, TAS first run, TNG first run, DS9 first run, Voy first run. And taking the good with the bad for the most part.
And some of us, myself included hit our limit with the new movies and with Disco.
Do you deny JJ hates pre-him Trek? The Daily Show interview alone is pretty stark on that front. And that's not the only one out there. That also says that there was a fundamental change. Not just a plot twist change, not just a change of venue, but a fundamental philosophical change.
And shame on those of us who don't like it? It's only because it's new is the only reason someone may really REALLY not like either of these, yet liked up to 6 other series (I'm in the 5 category myself). Yeah you're right I just hate all new stuff. That's why I'm getting a drink between new eps of my favorite new show. Sorry it's not Trek. But its new
So whats next? Are you gonna be all like Chris Pine, Nimoy and Syler Spock and tell everyone who doesn't like it to go to hell? (Actual event on SNL incidentally.)
The crux of the matter is, people are passionate about Star Trek. And exactly what "Star Trek" is, doesn't mean the same thing for everybody. We all bring something unique to the table, depending on our personalities, the age we were when we first were introduced to it, how we identify with the characters, etc.
If fans didn't have the love they have for Trek, there wouldn't be such emotional reactions — both positive and negative — to various entities within the franchise. Some of those fans feel that certain shows/movies/etc. are an insult to what they perceive as being the core of Star Trek; others will be upset that the same show/movie/etc. isn't equally loved by all fans, as they think it personifies what Trek is and thus nobody who loves Trek should dislike it. Thing is, neither side is wrong. Where there is a large group who is passionate about something, there will be disagreements. But disagreements do not have to be uncivil, and there's no need to resort to ad hominem attacks because we think the other side is being too rigid in their beliefs.
We'll never have a time when we can all be on the same page, nor will the average argument for one particular point of view have the effect of changing the mind of the average fan who shares the opposite point of view. What we can do, is try to realize that anything we love (or anything we despise) will have its proponents and its opponents — and do our best to hopefully reach a point of, if not necessarily understanding, at least some semblance of respectful acceptance.
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After a Wrinkle in Time, I kinda hope Chris Pine gets exiled to the stage in the UK or some such.
It wasn't his fault the movie was bad. It's just not a strong plot for a movie and it didn't play out deeply enough that it could be any good. I just watched it yesterday, it was no one's acting which was the fault.
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Although the idea of traveling to the Klingon home world in a day destroys the idea of needing 5 year voyages. And let's just pretend that the whole transport that far never happened.
Yeah that was actually my biggest beef with Into Darkness. I liked the movie for its sci-fi-ness. I didn't judge its Trek-ness, I try to think of it as its own thing and most everyone thinks of it as not their version of Star Trek, just some Trek reimagined with a big ol' "what if?". But for sure that whole "I can beam across vast swathes of the galaxy from Earth to Qo'noS" was just silly af.
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After a Wrinkle in Time, I kinda hope Chris Pine gets exiled to the stage in the UK or some such.
It wasn't his fault the movie was bad. It's just not a strong plot for a movie and it didn't play out deeply enough that it could be any good. I just watched it yesterday, it was no one's acting which was the fault.
Thanks to a friend of mine who works in one of the theatres I've seen it more than once. I really tried the first two times to find the good in the film. but his acting particularly being rescued is wooden and then goes completely manic in other scenes making him not really believable except in a cartoon like fashion even with the sucky screenwriting and directing. The kids did well with what they were given, though I dunno if it was directing, or her acting, the actress playing Meg put it on way too thick in places. (Happy Medium Scene in particular).
I agree that even if Pine had delivered that the movie would have still blown, mostly due to the screenwriters not understanding the characters in the source material nor what they wanted to do with them except Meg, I think his performance actually drives it even lower.
At least it was better than the 2003 version, lol.
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Actually if you watch the Heroes episodes that would have been filmed around the time the first movie was being filmed (which I don't recommend because at that point the series had basically fallen flat on its face), Sylar randomly starts raising his eyebrow at things. Also it's basically the last time Sylar acts all cold and stuff. Just a thing I found amusing at the time.
But tbh when I heard Sylar was cast as Spock I didn't mind it too much (compared to Chris Pine as Kirk), since he did a decent job as Sylar in S1 and seemed like he could do detached-with-hidden-emotions decently. Turns out though he just played Spock like he secretly wanted to kill everyone anyways. *sigh*
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Difference being, Montalban was cast in 1967, whereas Cumberbatch was cast in 2012. You'd think there'd be some progress after 42 years, not massive regression.
Even dumber, Cumberbatch looks like frakkin' Joachim from Wrath of Khan. They could have just made him that character, and left Khan inside a cryotube as a later/future threat.
Not that that alone would fix that film... it's a mess start to finish. How many times are you going to have Spock get emotional?
Agreed and agreed. Questionable casting when it comes to race was sort of standard at that point. And while it's no excuse, it's understandable.
Cumberbatch in 2012 though, that just seems like they wanted to use one of the big name actors of the moment, and they didn't care if it made changing a traditionally non-white character into a white one. If they were going to pull that kind of stunt, couldn't have at least made him Joachim as you suggested, or an entirely different character.
Also according to the Kelvin-verse Spock is just a slobbering mess of emotions that he barely keeps in check. It's annoying.
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I still haven't understood why IDW, Pocket Books, Star Trek Online, etc. have had the rights to the Kelvinverse along with the prime universe but DB hasn't. I've been hoping that the appearance of the IDW "Mirror Broken" crew that by the transitive property of licensing that the Kelvinverse stuff would make its way into Timelines.
A lot of us like Discovery.
There were a few things I liked from the Kelvin films (time travel reboot aspect of the first, Pegg as Scotty, Judge Dredd as McCoy, etc) but overall I thought they were okay. The 1st wasn't bad, the 2nd was terrible, and the 3rd was harmless fun .
I wouldn't be opposed to Kelvin characters appearing in Timelines and it certainly wouldn't be the tipping point for me. It's like what those Vulcans say: "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations"
Speaking for myself, I wouldn't say I "hate" the Kelvin timeline movies — they just don't feel very Trek-like to me (and the emo Spock characterization bothers me, as well). As sci-fi/space/action films, they're enjoyable — and I don't have a problem with the actors themselves, as long as I separate them from the TOS characters with whom I'm so familiar.
I wasn't getting a Trek-like vibe from Discovery at first, but it got closer and closer as the season progressed (and producers are saying S2 will have more of a familiar Trek feel to it). By the time of the 2nd half of DSC's inaugural season, I found myself quite enjoying it. Still many things that I'd like them to address in the show's future, but overall it had a lot going for it.
But I wouldn't have a problem with Kelvin-verse characters showing up in STT. Some I would enjoy having in my roster far more than others, no doubt, but personally, I think it'd help keep the game interesting.
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Kelvinverse? First film: I liked McCoy and Scotty, not so much Kirk and Spock. The Narada derailed the timeline we all know and love big time with Vulcan's destruction, but that was kind of the point. I'm a fan of alternate universe stories, so that wasn't a red line for me. It was a mixed bag, but decent enough for what it was. Second film was worse. It should never have gone down the remake route, the story was done so much better in 1982. Kirk and Spock's 'friendship' had no real foundation never mind build-up, so the 'death' scene had no gravitas as a result. And Khan was forgettable, which for the main villain isn't good. Thought Peter Weller did alright with Admiral Marcus though, and it was a nice way to get Carol in. Third film: I have to admit I haven't seen it yet, the DVD is still on my To Watch pile.
And I will spend beaucoups money for Chris Pine in my roster, lordy jesus that man is so fine.
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I also would like Nero if they did this. He wasn't as Romulan as any of us are used to, but he was Romulan, and we need more of those even if this new mega has all Romulans in the next 3 events.
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I wouldn't do that to the UK stage, personally. I quite enjoy it.
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It's funny and should tell you how much DSC and Abrams have gotten me to care less and less about Trek in general. I'm more pissed about wtf a Wrinkle in Time did vs the source material than any of those. (Still not as bad a the former attempt at a Wrinkle movie, but damn, someone at Disney really hates some of the main characters in the book.) And Pine's portrayal even with weak source material is weak sauce.
when the most likable character in your movie is literally named after jennifer lawrence, you may want to reexamine some of the choices you've made...
Although the idea of traveling to the Klingon home world in a day destroys the idea of needing 5 year voyages. And let's just pretend that the whole transport that far never happened.
Why is it that these days many people treat the world and their fellow man/women as "left vs right" or "them against us"... it almost is feels as if everything is treated as a win or lose race.
We are all here because we love Star Trek... Yes I like some shows or films or books better than others but I am not "against" any Star Trek nor would I refer to others as "haters".
Well...
There are plenty in this thread alone that want it "their way or the highway" in terms of what they dictate is or is not Trek.
I was on the fence with Disco till the last 5 minutes of the season finale. I am now hopeful for the second season.
To be specific about my Kelvin timeline feelings, I like 2/3rds of 2009 until they destroyed Vulcan and made Spock emo, despise the ham-handed story regurgitation, plot holes and whitewashing of Into Darkness, and really enjoyed Beyond for finally understanding the relationships between the main characters, though it needed one or two sub-acts to flesh it out. All three Kelvin films suffer the classic Star Trek movie trap of an underdeveloped or poorly conceived villain.
I love Discovery overall, from it's art direction to cinematography to costume and makeup design. I have no problem with the look of the Uruk-hai Klingons - far more realistic to have diversity within a species - but the Klingon War storyline IS terribly underwritten. The show takes off when they enter the Mirror Universe, where you can tell the writers were clearly having much more fun. And the finale, while enjoyable, is WAY too rushed, and the under-development of the Klingon storyline really shows in the ending of the season.
And I think both the Kelvin timeline and Discovery did pretty great jobs with casting.
And there are plenty of 'love it or get outa here' anti-haters too....
Thats a pretty damn broad brush stroke. The "you" grouping above is asinine. Yes there were some folks who dropped off at each show. Do those who disagree with you get thrown in with the white nationalists who didn't like Sisko or the misogynists who didn't think a woman should be captain as well?
Some of us hung with it a long time. Watching TOS actually on TV, TAS first run, TNG first run, DS9 first run, Voy first run. And taking the good with the bad for the most part.
And some of us, myself included hit our limit with the new movies and with Disco.
Do you deny JJ hates pre-him Trek? The Daily Show interview alone is pretty stark on that front. And that's not the only one out there. That also says that there was a fundamental change. Not just a plot twist change, not just a change of venue, but a fundamental philosophical change.
And shame on those of us who don't like it? It's only because it's new is the only reason someone may really REALLY not like either of these, yet liked up to 6 other series (I'm in the 5 category myself). Yeah you're right I just hate all new stuff. That's why I'm getting a drink between new eps of my favorite new show. Sorry it's not Trek. But its new
So whats next? Are you gonna be all like Chris Pine, Nimoy and Syler Spock and tell everyone who doesn't like it to go to hell? (Actual event on SNL incidentally.)
If fans didn't have the love they have for Trek, there wouldn't be such emotional reactions — both positive and negative — to various entities within the franchise. Some of those fans feel that certain shows/movies/etc. are an insult to what they perceive as being the core of Star Trek; others will be upset that the same show/movie/etc. isn't equally loved by all fans, as they think it personifies what Trek is and thus nobody who loves Trek should dislike it. Thing is, neither side is wrong. Where there is a large group who is passionate about something, there will be disagreements. But disagreements do not have to be uncivil, and there's no need to resort to ad hominem attacks because we think the other side is being too rigid in their beliefs.
We'll never have a time when we can all be on the same page, nor will the average argument for one particular point of view have the effect of changing the mind of the average fan who shares the opposite point of view. What we can do, is try to realize that anything we love (or anything we despise) will have its proponents and its opponents — and do our best to hopefully reach a point of, if not necessarily understanding, at least some semblance of respectful acceptance.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
It wasn't his fault the movie was bad. It's just not a strong plot for a movie and it didn't play out deeply enough that it could be any good. I just watched it yesterday, it was no one's acting which was the fault.
Captain of the voyage vessels: Queen of Bashir, Landsknecht, and Sunspear, the first luxury starship cruiseliners.
Amenities include wifi, fully-functioning holodecks, a full-service bar, 3 party decks, a Trill spa, and a business centre.
Fun fact: The ships are propelled by bouncy castle technology.
Yeah that was actually my biggest beef with Into Darkness. I liked the movie for its sci-fi-ness. I didn't judge its Trek-ness, I try to think of it as its own thing and most everyone thinks of it as not their version of Star Trek, just some Trek reimagined with a big ol' "what if?". But for sure that whole "I can beam across vast swathes of the galaxy from Earth to Qo'noS" was just silly af.
Captain of the voyage vessels: Queen of Bashir, Landsknecht, and Sunspear, the first luxury starship cruiseliners.
Amenities include wifi, fully-functioning holodecks, a full-service bar, 3 party decks, a Trill spa, and a business centre.
Fun fact: The ships are propelled by bouncy castle technology.
Thanks to a friend of mine who works in one of the theatres I've seen it more than once. I really tried the first two times to find the good in the film. but his acting particularly being rescued is wooden and then goes completely manic in other scenes making him not really believable except in a cartoon like fashion even with the sucky screenwriting and directing. The kids did well with what they were given, though I dunno if it was directing, or her acting, the actress playing Meg put it on way too thick in places. (Happy Medium Scene in particular).
I agree that even if Pine had delivered that the movie would have still blown, mostly due to the screenwriters not understanding the characters in the source material nor what they wanted to do with them except Meg, I think his performance actually drives it even lower.
At least it was better than the 2003 version, lol.