It's funny that Bashir is mad at section 31 saying that ends justify the means when sisko does something quite similar. Good thing Bashir didnt know.
Murder one individual for ending war which could result in 900 billion casualties versus deliberate and systematic genocide by a quasi govt organization is not “something quite similar”.
There are so many real world examples...ug railroad incidents or even say a Native Americans cabal like sisko garak involved british govt of Canada in 1830s or 1870s in their favor by murdering an official or one very interesting fiction novel set in alternate Spain where Spanish catholic marquis like involve the British empire against 19th Cen Córdoba emirate to get emancipation are many examples which differentiates the ends and means scenarios and this is a game forum so chill....
Bashir was mad at section 31 for framing Sen Cretak to get a section 31 friendly romulan into power. Cretak would have likely been killed or imprisoned so that romulans would be friendly to the federation. Garak killed a romulan so that romulans would be friendly to the federation and join the war as allies. Similar methods and results. Sisko did what he had to do and he did not order Garak to kill Vreenak but the similarities can be seen. Bashir likely would have been against both actions. Not sure why you think I am angry K Han Solo when I am just talking about the nuances of ds9.
Bashir is Thomas Leamas; Sisko is Ransom Stoddard, and Garak is Tom Doniphon. If you're familiar with The Spy Who Came In from the Cold and The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, you should this. And if you aren't familiar with them, you're missing out on a pair of movies that I'm confident any DS9 fan will dig. LeCarre's Spy novel is richer than the film, but the film does justice to its source material. Liberty Valance is one of the rare instances where I feel strongly that the film is a considerable improvement over its source material. John Ford's film has more depth than Dorothy M. Johnson's original short. Both have some important plot twists that may be hard to avoid knowing by now, but I don't want to be the one to blurt them out.
I got those references; my wife gets sick when I start telling where the source of certain plot line in show she is seeing gets its inspiration and spoil the plots :-)
That is where it may be cultural but in Britain there is no evil MI 5 or Illuminati paradigm in literature ( or I am not really reading right stuff!) our section 31 is the Oxbridge elite! Unlike half the stuff in pop culture in states dealing with evil fragment of CIA.
We are happy to be administered by a benovalent patriarchy (or current matriarchy) and wait for wycombe wanderers to qualify for premiership! And that queen and lost prince 🤴 was the original inspiration behind the idea of changeling culture facing some degenerative disease (ala Asgard of stargate sg1) and lost Prince Odo coming back to save the race and claim his rightful place. Thank god they nixed that plot line (well the prince part) but introduced a futuristic Illuminati.
And opened a very major plot hole, what civilization instead of nurturing its young and protecting them; throws them willy nilly into the deep space without education and means to defend themselves and hope they come back.....with what?
As an aside, there is lot of cross pollination between Hollywood and Bollywood and I used to think who shot liberty valance inspired Watan helmed by Prem Nath (same story but in this heroine is won over by the man who shot the bandit leader with hero confessing he did not shoot; mayor instead of senator) but Watan was released 10 years before liberty valance (they shot liberty in b/w) so was liberty valance based on a 30s movie or a play which was extant. I doubt Prem Nath did lot of reading but made many Hollywood-Italian movie copies.
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance originated from a short story written by Dorothy M. Johnson, published in 1953, and its adaptation was released in 1962. I can find very little about Hamara Watan, save that it was released in 1956. [Incidentally, "helmed" in film refers solely to the director; Jayant Desai directed Hamara Watan.]
I'd certainly be curious to check out Hamara Watan...if I ever get a chance to see it! I don't see any DVD or Blu-ray release in DVD Profiler, nothing listed on Amazon's India website, or CanIStreamIt.com.
It's funny that Bashir is mad at section 31 saying that ends justify the means when sisko does something quite similar. Good thing Bashir didnt know.
Murder one individual for ending war which could result in 900 billion casualties versus deliberate and systematic genocide by a quasi govt organization is not “something quite similar”.
There are so many real world examples...ug railroad incidents or even say a Native Americans cabal like sisko garak involved british govt of Canada in 1830s or 1870s in their favor by murdering an official or one very interesting fiction novel set in alternate Spain where Spanish catholic marquis like involve the British empire against 19th Cen Córdoba emirate to get emancipation are many examples which differentiates the ends and means scenarios and this is a game forum so chill....
Bashir was mad at section 31 for framing Sen Cretak to get a section 31 friendly romulan into power. Cretak would have likely been killed or imprisoned so that romulans would be friendly to the federation. Garak killed a romulan so that romulans would be friendly to the federation and join the war as allies. Similar methods and results. Sisko did what he had to do and he did not order Garak to kill Vreenak but the similarities can be seen. Bashir likely would have been against both actions. Not sure why you think I am angry K Han Solo when I am just talking about the nuances of ds9.
Ok, I thought Bashir was mad at section 31 for deliberately committing genocide by infecting Odo and founders. So, was he ok with that but mad only because of senator Cretak getting the chop.
I don’t think you get that.
Bashir was not angry just for Senator Cretak but potential of such organization casually brutalizing multiple lives across generations.
In either scenario, actions of small cabal acting in moment to influence an event versus a multi century conspiracy to change destinies and acting judge jury executioner and God is not the same thing or do you think Sisko Garak created a new Section Nine to nudge the destinies of a trillion people for ongoing centuries.
Then it is same and we should have Section Nine as a faction.
I never said Sisko was as bad as Section 31. I simply stated that there is a comparison to make between the actions of Sisko and Garak when they manipulated the Romulans into a pro Federation stance in the war and when Section 31 manipulated the Romulans into a pro Federation stance for after the war. I am not talking about the attempted genocide of the founders by section 31. Only comparing one action of section 31 to one action Sisko took. Nor did I say what Sisko did was wrong, simply that Bashir would not have liked it. Of course Bashir was far more mad at Section 31 for infecting Odo and trying to kill off all the founders. I never said Bashir wasnt mad at Section 31 for the attemped genocide of the founders. You seem to be setting me with opinions and motives I do not have. I was simply comparing one action of Sisko's to one action of Section 31's. But if you need me to spell it out, yes genocide is very wrong, I never said it was ok.
does anyone else kinda sorta hope he says any of his great quotes like "In a different reality...i could have called you friend" or "one last duty to perform..."??
does anyone else kinda sorta hope he says any of his great quotes like "In a different reality...i could have called you friend" or "one last duty to perform..."??
"He's a sorcerer, that one. He reads the thoughts in my brain."
does anyone else kinda sorta hope he says any of his great quotes like "In a different reality...i could have called you friend" or "one last duty to perform..."??
"He's a sorcerer, that one. He reads the thoughts in my brain."
I haven't seen a sound clip for a 4* card in a long time but that would be cool.
does anyone else kinda sorta hope he says any of his great quotes like "In a different reality...i could have called you friend" or "one last duty to perform..."??
Those of you in need of sound clips (like me) should make sure to try each of your crew in the Arena. I was amazed that Professor Scott had two rather lengthy new things to say and I NEARLY lost three battles trying to hear them.
I can confidently say that the forum community has consistently expressed greater enthusiasm for Vreenak.
And as Shan has pointed out around a 1000 times by now the forum "community" is only a small part of the userbase. So that doesn´t say much. Also because this small part (sadly!) for the most part thinks they hold the holy grail of Star Trek (Timelines), that the wishes of some people are identical to everyone who likes Star Trek (so much for IDIC, lol) and (again sadly) nearly everyone whines, demands and asks for this and that and everything for free, but gives DB as good as nothing in return.
Saying cause while everyone has different budgets and different resources to be put into entertainment oc only by flooding this forum endlessly and talking big without returning some "food" to DB the lifespan of this game is more limited than it would need to be.
And yeah, some things are overpriced, but when only a few peeps invest and not the majority of the userbase that is (sadly yet again) the only way a company and a game can survive. Especially since the business (in general) brought it upon themselves with this FTP term.
P.S.: Saying this in reply to you Travis, cause while you are a helpful soul you are also one of these peeps who sees their opinions as the ultimate. And when peeps like something you don´t like you create placebo reasons for them. Instead of accepting other reasons for which they are. Like say Galaxy Events.
If you want a a comfy shot at Top 1000 nothing is more comfy than them. If you did some prefarming (cause many many items repeat all the time) and saved up some chrons (which is easypeasy ever since Voyages was introduced) a piece of cake.
And not 4 days of farming like you often say. In fact you could start playing a Galaxy on the final day of it and still easily become Top 1000. Not so with Faction Events. Where you have to check things at least every 3 hours. Have to live on the schedule of a game for 4 days in a row. While you can play a Galaxy completely on your own schedule, as it fits. Well, that the rewards are better even you admitted
But coupled with placebo and not the real reasons
I get that the forum is a small percentage of the player base but there is something to be said for us being vocal and the others silent. There have been plenty enough in game emails referring to the forum so everyone knows it exists.
Those of you in need of sound clips (like me) should make sure to try each of your crew in the Arena. I was amazed that Professor Scott had two rather lengthy new things to say and I NEARLY lost three battles trying to hear them.
Lengthy, perhaps, but it could be worse...
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing. ~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
I can confidently say that the forum community has consistently expressed greater enthusiasm for Vreenak.
And as Shan has pointed out around a 1000 times by now the forum "community" is only a small part of the userbase. So that doesn´t say much. Also because this small part (sadly!) for the most part thinks they hold the holy grail of Star Trek (Timelines), that the wishes of some people are identical to everyone who likes Star Trek (so much for IDIC, lol) and (again sadly) nearly everyone whines, demands and asks for this and that and everything for free, but gives DB as good as nothing in return.
Saying cause while everyone has different budgets and different resources to be put into entertainment oc only by flooding this forum endlessly and talking big without returning some "food" to DB the lifespan of this game is more limited than it would need to be.
And yeah, some things are overpriced, but when only a few peeps invest and not the majority of the userbase that is (sadly yet again) the only way a company and a game can survive. Especially since the business (in general) brought it upon themselves with this FTP term.
P.S.: Saying this in reply to you Travis, cause while you are a helpful soul you are also one of these peeps who sees their opinions as the ultimate. And when peeps like something you don´t like you create placebo reasons for them. Instead of accepting other reasons for which they are. Like say Galaxy Events.
If you want a a comfy shot at Top 1000 nothing is more comfy than them. If you did some prefarming (cause many many items repeat all the time) and saved up some chrons (which is easypeasy ever since Voyages was introduced) a piece of cake.
And not 4 days of farming like you often say. In fact you could start playing a Galaxy on the final day of it and still easily become Top 1000. Not so with Faction Events. Where you have to check things at least every 3 hours. Have to live on the schedule of a game for 4 days in a row. While you can play a Galaxy completely on your own schedule, as it fits. Well, that the rewards are better even you admitted
But coupled with placebo and not the real reasons
I get that the forum is a small percentage of the player base but there is something to be said for us being vocal and the others silent. There have been plenty enough in game emails referring to the forum so everyone knows it exists.
I've always thought that was an absurd reason to be dismissive of opinions on the forums. I mean, it's not like we're not all in fleets with like 49 other players. Do they really think we never use their jacked up chat feature to actually communicate with our fleet mates? Most fleets use some type of 3rd party chat system. Why would we bother to do that if we didn't actually discuss the game?
I can confidently say that the forum community has consistently expressed greater enthusiasm for Vreenak.
And as Shan has pointed out around a 1000 times by now the forum "community" is only a small part of the userbase. So that doesn´t say much. Also because this small part (sadly!) for the most part thinks they hold the holy grail of Star Trek (Timelines), that the wishes of some people are identical to everyone who likes Star Trek (so much for IDIC, lol) and (again sadly) nearly everyone whines, demands and asks for this and that and everything for free, but gives DB as good as nothing in return.
Saying cause while everyone has different budgets and different resources to be put into entertainment oc only by flooding this forum endlessly and talking big without returning some "food" to DB the lifespan of this game is more limited than it would need to be.
And yeah, some things are overpriced, but when only a few peeps invest and not the majority of the userbase that is (sadly yet again) the only way a company and a game can survive. Especially since the business (in general) brought it upon themselves with this FTP term.
P.S.: Saying this in reply to you Travis, cause while you are a helpful soul you are also one of these peeps who sees their opinions as the ultimate. And when peeps like something you don´t like you create placebo reasons for them. Instead of accepting other reasons for which they are. Like say Galaxy Events.
If you want a a comfy shot at Top 1000 nothing is more comfy than them. If you did some prefarming (cause many many items repeat all the time) and saved up some chrons (which is easypeasy ever since Voyages was introduced) a piece of cake.
And not 4 days of farming like you often say. In fact you could start playing a Galaxy on the final day of it and still easily become Top 1000. Not so with Faction Events. Where you have to check things at least every 3 hours. Have to live on the schedule of a game for 4 days in a row. While you can play a Galaxy completely on your own schedule, as it fits. Well, that the rewards are better even you admitted
But coupled with placebo and not the real reasons
I get that the forum is a small percentage of the player base but there is something to be said for us being vocal and the others silent. There have been plenty enough in game emails referring to the forum so everyone knows it exists.
I've always thought that was an absurd reason to be dismissive of opinions on the forums. I mean, it's not like we're not all in fleets with like 49 other players. Do they really think we never use their jacked up chat feature to actually communicate with our fleet mates? Most fleets use some type of 3rd party chat system. Why would we bother to do that if we didn't actually discuss the game?[/quote
By choosing to be silent you are also choosing to not offer your opinion
I was the under the impression this forum (this official one) was created/designed for players to feedback to DB.
So this "official" forum only has a small percentage of players, then I guess the question remains where in Illuminati is this special forum that the majority of the player base hang out then?
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I was the under the impression this forum (this official one) was created/designed for players to feedback to DB.
So this "official" forum only has a small percentage of players, then I guess the question remains where in Illuminati is this special forum that the majority of the player base hang out then?
does anyone else kinda sorta hope he says any of his great quotes like "In a different reality...i could have called you friend" or "one last duty to perform..."??
"He's a sorcerer, that one. He reads the thoughts in my brain."
I haven't seen a sound clip for a 4* card in a long time but that would be cool.
Have we ever had a non-starring cast get a sound clip?
Keras is in it!
Keras is called Keras! Eyeshadow Romulan Kirk!
Vreenak!!!
Vreenak is a 5* and @For Cardassia will be driving for most of the weekend and will most likely open up a spot in the top 1000 for me to get him.
Things I don't like about this event:
I may still not crack the top 1000.
Um.. you realize Keras is Sarek backwards right? 😂😂
Um...you realize I was riffing on @For Cardassia's earlier post in this thread, right? 😂😂
Oops, sorry Travis. I quoted the wrong person 😛
I was specifically referencing the Keras/Sarek thing in my "Keras is called Keras!" line. I was happy that they chose that name (there have been a few), since I find it amusing, and also a good Romulan name.
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I never said Sisko was as bad as Section 31. I simply stated that there is a comparison to make between the actions of Sisko and Garak when they manipulated the Romulans into a pro Federation stance in the war and when Section 31 manipulated the Romulans into a pro Federation stance for after the war. I am not talking about the attempted genocide of the founders by section 31. Only comparing one action of section 31 to one action Sisko took. Nor did I say what Sisko did was wrong, simply that Bashir would not have liked it. Of course Bashir was far more mad at Section 31 for infecting Odo and trying to kill off all the founders. I never said Bashir wasnt mad at Section 31 for the attemped genocide of the founders. You seem to be setting me with opinions and motives I do not have. I was simply comparing one action of Sisko's to one action of Section 31's. But if you need me to spell it out, yes genocide is very wrong, I never said it was ok.[/quote]
i apologize if u felt I implied that. I am only talking in context of ds9. The job of Sisko and Garak is not to create these deep throaty shenanighans. They different day jobs. This was one off for them ( though section nine still sounds a good idea) while Section 31 bread and butter is this sort of work which Kretak paid price for.
Sisko and Garak did not start the war or the situation they were trying to fix. Section 31 probably routinely works like this creating situations which escalate and need more such shenanighans like self fulfilling prophecy. So in context of even ds9 it is not even similar.
As an aside, there is lot of cross pollination between Hollywood and Bollywood and I used to think who shot liberty valance inspired Watan helmed by Prem Nath (same story but in this heroine is won over by the man who shot the bandit leader with hero confessing he did not shoot; mayor instead of senator) but Watan was released 10 years before liberty valance (they shot liberty in b/w) so was liberty valance based on a 30s movie or a play which was extant. I doubt Prem Nath did lot of reading but made many Hollywood-Italian movie copies.[/quote]
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance originated from a short story written by Dorothy M. Johnson, published in 1953, and its adaptation was released in 1962. I can find very little about Hamara Watan, save that it was released in 1956. [Incidentally, "helmed" in film refers solely to the director; Jayant Desai directed Hamara Watan.]
I'd certainly be curious to check out Hamara Watan...if I ever get a chance to see it! I don't see any DVD or Blu-ray release in DVD Profiler, nothing listed on Amazon's India website, or CanIStreamIt.com.[/quote]
Watan was produced and starred by Prem Nath and his wife. It was by produced by his P.N. films not Jayant Desai productions. I don’t know if it is same as Hamara Watan though cast look similar. I don’t remember kumkum now in that movie. I saw it on national tv channel some 35 years back.
Jayant Desai ran his own production house and gets listed as director of his movies but at least couple of them were directed by Raj Kapoor who may get billing as Star and assistant director!!
And in the context of the time, for example classic Teesri kasam was “helmed” by Basu Bhattacharya but no one would think or even question he had any sort of decision making.... Raj Kapoor the actor even decided to shoot it in black and white as he loved the medium (when color films were passé for 10 years at the time)...and Basu Bhattacharya is still listed as director but every Indian child reading CBSE is taught about the “Creator of Teesri Kasam” the poet Shailendra.
( the actual name of chapter in textbook is that!!)
The movie itself flopped in three days; shailendra committed suicide and Basu left Bollywood for years and then the film went on to win National awards and Moscow globe et all..
Jayant Desai’s Veer Bhimsen was still running in rural Kanpur 36 years later when I saw it. It was enjoyable. I think hero was also one of early athletes who won medals in early Asian games. This is not surprising; I can think of many even mediocre Hindi films also running 25 years plus in rural non internet connected regions and in rural tent circuit....a Weissmuller Tarzan running 25 years...
Since I haven't seen DS9 in about 20 years, I am feeling left out because I don't remember who Vreenak is... I will happily take the other 2 crew this week and get to chill out from an event for a week I guess.
Since I haven't seen DS9 in about 20 years, I am feeling left out because I don't remember who Vreenak is... I will happily take the other 2 crew this week and get to chill out from an event for a week I guess.
Senator Vreenak was the romulan representative Captain Sisko met with during the Dominion war to try to convince him to join the war against the Dominion. Sisko had hired Garak to find evidence that the Dominion was going to attack the Romulans. When none could be found Garak manufactured the evidence. Senator Vreenak inspected the evidence and declared it to be fake, saying, "it's a fake!" More happens after that. Watch for yourself, "In the Pale Moonlight" Season 6 Episode 19.
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The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance originated from a short story written by Dorothy M. Johnson, published in 1953, and its adaptation was released in 1962. I can find very little about Hamara Watan, save that it was released in 1956. [Incidentally, "helmed" in film refers solely to the director; Jayant Desai directed Hamara Watan.]
I'd certainly be curious to check out Hamara Watan...if I ever get a chance to see it! I don't see any DVD or Blu-ray release in DVD Profiler, nothing listed on Amazon's India website, or CanIStreamIt.com.
I never said Sisko was as bad as Section 31. I simply stated that there is a comparison to make between the actions of Sisko and Garak when they manipulated the Romulans into a pro Federation stance in the war and when Section 31 manipulated the Romulans into a pro Federation stance for after the war. I am not talking about the attempted genocide of the founders by section 31. Only comparing one action of section 31 to one action Sisko took. Nor did I say what Sisko did was wrong, simply that Bashir would not have liked it. Of course Bashir was far more mad at Section 31 for infecting Odo and trying to kill off all the founders. I never said Bashir wasnt mad at Section 31 for the attemped genocide of the founders. You seem to be setting me with opinions and motives I do not have. I was simply comparing one action of Sisko's to one action of Section 31's. But if you need me to spell it out, yes genocide is very wrong, I never said it was ok.
does anyone else kinda sorta hope he says any of his great quotes like "In a different reality...i could have called you friend" or "one last duty to perform..."??
"He's a sorcerer, that one. He reads the thoughts in my brain."
I haven't seen a sound clip for a 4* card in a long time but that would be cool.
"We are creatures of duty, Captain."
I get that the forum is a small percentage of the player base but there is something to be said for us being vocal and the others silent. There have been plenty enough in game emails referring to the forum so everyone knows it exists.
Lengthy, perhaps, but it could be worse...
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
I've always thought that was an absurd reason to be dismissive of opinions on the forums. I mean, it's not like we're not all in fleets with like 49 other players. Do they really think we never use their jacked up chat feature to actually communicate with our fleet mates? Most fleets use some type of 3rd party chat system. Why would we bother to do that if we didn't actually discuss the game?
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So this "official" forum only has a small percentage of players, then I guess the question remains where in Illuminati is this special forum that the majority of the player base hang out then?
No where. Most of the players don't do forums!
Have we ever had a non-starring cast get a sound clip?
I was specifically referencing the Keras/Sarek thing in my "Keras is called Keras!" line. I was happy that they chose that name (there have been a few), since I find it amusing, and also a good Romulan name.
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I never said Sisko was as bad as Section 31. I simply stated that there is a comparison to make between the actions of Sisko and Garak when they manipulated the Romulans into a pro Federation stance in the war and when Section 31 manipulated the Romulans into a pro Federation stance for after the war. I am not talking about the attempted genocide of the founders by section 31. Only comparing one action of section 31 to one action Sisko took. Nor did I say what Sisko did was wrong, simply that Bashir would not have liked it. Of course Bashir was far more mad at Section 31 for infecting Odo and trying to kill off all the founders. I never said Bashir wasnt mad at Section 31 for the attemped genocide of the founders. You seem to be setting me with opinions and motives I do not have. I was simply comparing one action of Sisko's to one action of Section 31's. But if you need me to spell it out, yes genocide is very wrong, I never said it was ok.[/quote]
i apologize if u felt I implied that. I am only talking in context of ds9. The job of Sisko and Garak is not to create these deep throaty shenanighans. They different day jobs. This was one off for them ( though section nine still sounds a good idea) while Section 31 bread and butter is this sort of work which Kretak paid price for.
Sisko and Garak did not start the war or the situation they were trying to fix. Section 31 probably routinely works like this creating situations which escalate and need more such shenanighans like self fulfilling prophecy. So in context of even ds9 it is not even similar.
As an aside, there is lot of cross pollination between Hollywood and Bollywood and I used to think who shot liberty valance inspired Watan helmed by Prem Nath (same story but in this heroine is won over by the man who shot the bandit leader with hero confessing he did not shoot; mayor instead of senator) but Watan was released 10 years before liberty valance (they shot liberty in b/w) so was liberty valance based on a 30s movie or a play which was extant. I doubt Prem Nath did lot of reading but made many Hollywood-Italian movie copies.[/quote]
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance originated from a short story written by Dorothy M. Johnson, published in 1953, and its adaptation was released in 1962. I can find very little about Hamara Watan, save that it was released in 1956. [Incidentally, "helmed" in film refers solely to the director; Jayant Desai directed Hamara Watan.]
I'd certainly be curious to check out Hamara Watan...if I ever get a chance to see it! I don't see any DVD or Blu-ray release in DVD Profiler, nothing listed on Amazon's India website, or CanIStreamIt.com.[/quote]
Watan was produced and starred by Prem Nath and his wife. It was by produced by his P.N. films not Jayant Desai productions. I don’t know if it is same as Hamara Watan though cast look similar. I don’t remember kumkum now in that movie. I saw it on national tv channel some 35 years back.
Jayant Desai ran his own production house and gets listed as director of his movies but at least couple of them were directed by Raj Kapoor who may get billing as Star and assistant director!!
And in the context of the time, for example classic Teesri kasam was “helmed” by Basu Bhattacharya but no one would think or even question he had any sort of decision making.... Raj Kapoor the actor even decided to shoot it in black and white as he loved the medium (when color films were passé for 10 years at the time)...and Basu Bhattacharya is still listed as director but every Indian child reading CBSE is taught about the “Creator of Teesri Kasam” the poet Shailendra.
( the actual name of chapter in textbook is that!!)
The movie itself flopped in three days; shailendra committed suicide and Basu left Bollywood for years and then the film went on to win National awards and Moscow globe et all..
Jayant Desai’s Veer Bhimsen was still running in rural Kanpur 36 years later when I saw it. It was enjoyable. I think hero was also one of early athletes who won medals in early Asian games. This is not surprising; I can think of many even mediocre Hindi films also running 25 years plus in rural non internet connected regions and in rural tent circuit....a Weissmuller Tarzan running 25 years...
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Can we confirm the sound clip?
Senator Vreenak was the romulan representative Captain Sisko met with during the Dominion war to try to convince him to join the war against the Dominion. Sisko had hired Garak to find evidence that the Dominion was going to attack the Romulans. When none could be found Garak manufactured the evidence. Senator Vreenak inspected the evidence and declared it to be fake, saying, "it's a fake!" More happens after that. Watch for yourself, "In the Pale Moonlight" Season 6 Episode 19.