From a personal life schedule POV:
1 - Away Missions. Easy.
2 - Shuttle Breakdown (from someone at CST):
I'll be to claim shuttles at 12pm,3,6,9,12. Also probably easy but I also have a short attention span and might screw it up. This will push back the fifth set of shuttles till 7:30 am the next day unless I do some shuttle time shaving. I do have a lot of 30min speed ups.
3 - Gauntlet much easier if I get the shuttles done correctly. Otherwise I have to 2 windows (start at 7:30 and 11:30) to score 10 gauntlet tries a piece. Made somewhat easier that victory isn't a requirement. Score 5 wins, then tank 5 times. I'm still Balok hunting so I'm not adverse to trying in the gauntlet.
I don't mind doing this but I would prefer some cooler rewards. To me I'm spending some loot to try and get slightly better loot. The honour reward is effectively one merit pull and whatever credits I get from spending those chrons. Sure I'll be able to maybe place well in some future faction event but so does everyone else.
Wish I'd have realised beforehand that I should have kept shuttles to "complete" at the event start, rather than sending them just after, having waited since completing an hour earlier.
Trying to work out if its worth spending the shuttle boosts I need to use to get to Gauntlet achievement in time, as the way my Boost RNGesus has been going, I'd rather not risk them! Deliberately sitting at zero gauntlet action in the hope I can get a few easy wins once the 5 round of shuttles return, so I can get 10 rounds done before needing to wait for the refresh.
Having read the smaller text, it looks like I can start on the final set of objectives once Tier 1 of objective 2 is compete?
Looks like Tier Two is needed. Complete eight shuttle missions.
Why was Vicki not expelled from Greendale after she literally stabbed Pierce in the face with a pencil?!?!?
I didn't fully understand the sequence and lost time and merits on a bunch of shuttles and about 13 gauntlet rounds. I understand it now. A bit annoying, but they did try to convey the message even if I misunderstood.
By itself, I have no problem doing the shuttles in the amount of time given; and, again, by itself, I have no problem doing the gauntlet rounds in the time given. However, having to wait on the gauntlet rounds until I've completed the shuttles, in the time given, is unreasonable. Timing this all out, I should be able to do everything; however, that assumes 1) I get all my shuttles sent and recovered on time, no mistakes; and 2) I get at least ten battles per gauntlet round (with at least two 4hr sets; though a third may be necessary), something that is not easy to do, even for a veteran player like myself. I'm not sure success here is guaranteed, even with hard, heavy game play. That's bad, as it makes me not trust that the game will reward gameplay, as it has in the past.
Additionally, I don't understand why the sudden change in game mechanics, from "started" shuttles (as they are for the dailies) to "completed" shuttles. It adds an unnecessary amount of difficulty to the situation.
In short, I don't think this OE has been properly balanced, and that gives me great concerns about future ones. I don't know if I want to deal with them at this point.
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As predicted I claimed my first wave 15 minutes later than I should have. Next wave I used 30 min speed ups on.
It also occurs to me that Voyage end times may be an issue. With faction events I'm willing to send out sub-par voyages because the rewards are worth it. Objective events? Not so much.
So do the rewards not unlock until the prior objective is complete, or can we not even start accumulating the stats until the prior objective is complete? if its the second, this is just not worth the pain
So do the rewards not unlock until the prior objective is complete, or can we not even start accumulating the stats until the prior objective is complete? if its the second, this is just not worth the pain
You can't make any progress until the prerequisites are complete. So any gauntlet battles you complete won't count for anything if you haven't completed the 20 shuttle missions.
It also occurs to me that Voyage end times may be an issue. With faction events I'm willing to send out sub-par voyages because the rewards are worth it. Objective events? Not so much.
Not really needed, i don't think you need to succesfully complete the shuttle, just complete it.
By itself, I have no problem doing the shuttles in the amount of time given; and, again, by itself, I have no problem doing the gauntlet rounds in the time given. However, having to wait on the gauntlet rounds until I've completed the shuttles, in the time given, is unreasonable. Timing this all out, I should be able to do everything; however, that assumes 1) I get all my shuttles sent and recovered on time, no mistakes; and 2) I get at least ten battles per gauntlet round (with at least two 4hr sets; though a third may be necessary), something that is not easy to do, even for a veteran player like myself. I'm not sure success here is guaranteed, even with hard, heavy game play. That's bad, as it makes me not trust that the game will reward gameplay, as it has in the past.
Additionally, I don't understand why the sudden change in game mechanics, from "started" shuttles (as they are for the dailies) to "completed" shuttles. It adds an unnecessary amount of difficulty to the situation.
In short, I don't think this OE has been properly balanced, and that gives me great concerns about future ones. I don't know if I want to deal with them at this point.
Comment moderated - ~Shan Yes, you need to put some effort in it.
Otherwise they could just give you the rewards for free...
Ok, here is my feedback, if it is indeed needed to complete all milestones to unlock the next objective, locking one third of the event for 24 hs (32 missions, divided by 4 shuttles, multiplied by 3 hours to complete each), while there is around 36 hs or less granted to complete (not sure how much 'cause this statted hours before it was stated in the announcement) for a sample event is very, very, very, very, very, poor planning (I really want to use a different wording, but 'm too kind)
And please, no "you don't know how hard it is to make a game" like the other day, 1- check my linedin profile before making assumptions, and 2-It doesn't matter, I can be a customer and expect a good product without knowing how it is produced.
Comment moderated - ~Shan It's not very poor planning. It's not for free, so you don't like it doesn't mean poor planning Comment moderated - ~Shan
Wish I'd have realised beforehand that I should have kept shuttles to "complete" at the event start, rather than sending them just after, having waited since completing an hour earlier.
Trying to work out if its worth spending the shuttle boosts I need to use to get to Gauntlet achievement in time, as the way my Boost RNGesus has been going, I'd rather not risk them! Deliberately sitting at zero gauntlet action in the hope I can get a few easy wins once the 5 round of shuttles return, so I can get 10 rounds done before needing to wait for the refresh.
Having read the smaller text, it looks like I can start on the final set of objectives once Tier 1 of objective 2 is compete?
Looks like Tier Two is needed. Complete eight shuttle missions.
Well, once you collect Tier Two, the requirement CHANGES to Tier Three. That is nice. I thought the Livestream for MFF last night was a hot mess. It is cooling off rapidly compared to this nonsense......
Why was Vicki not expelled from Greendale after she literally stabbed Pierce in the face with a pencil?!?!?
So do the rewards not unlock until the prior objective is complete, or can we not even start accumulating the stats until the prior objective is complete? if its the second, this is just not worth the pain
Apparently it requires you to finish each thing before the next thing unlocks. Even though their very own text within the "?" button says something different. That changes as you complete a segment of each previous thing. Which a gaming commission would probably frown upon if people were gambling for cashy folding money, because changing the requirements to participate actively feels a little "scammy" if it were a cash money contest......
Why was Vicki not expelled from Greendale after she literally stabbed Pierce in the face with a pencil?!?!?
So do the rewards not unlock until the prior objective is complete, or can we not even start accumulating the stats until the prior objective is complete? if its the second, this is just not worth the pain
You can't make any progress until the prerequisites are complete. So any gauntlet battles you complete won't count for anything if you haven't completed the 20 shuttle missions.
Even though their own text says something different when you have completed four Shuttle Missions.....
Why was Vicki not expelled from Greendale after she literally stabbed Pierce in the face with a pencil?!?!?
So do the rewards not unlock until the prior objective is complete, or can we not even start accumulating the stats until the prior objective is complete? if its the second, this is just not worth the pain
You can't make any progress until the prerequisites are complete. So any gauntlet battles you complete won't count for anything if you haven't completed the 20 shuttle missions.
Even though their own text says something different when you have completed four Shuttle Missions.....
Yep. That's the bug. Of course, the question is why you would release something for beta when you already know it has a major bug that will directly impact people's experiences? Surely any halfway competent company would make sure that they only have to worry about the bugs that they don't know about.
So do the rewards not unlock until the prior objective is complete, or can we not even start accumulating the stats until the prior objective is complete? if its the second, this is just not worth the pain
You can't make any progress until the prerequisites are complete. So any gauntlet battles you complete won't count for anything if you haven't completed the 20 shuttle missions.
Even though their own text says something different when you have completed four Shuttle Missions.....
Yep. That's the bug. Of course, the question is why you would release something for beta when you already know it has a major bug that will directly impact people's experiences? Surely any halfway competent company would make sure that they only have to worry about the bugs that they don't know about.
I guess because we are the "Beta Testers". Our "salary" is the stuff we get for doing the Event.....
EDIT: NOW it is an Event......
Why was Vicki not expelled from Greendale after she literally stabbed Pierce in the face with a pencil?!?!?
Minor compared to most of the comments in this thread*, but I'm not keen on the way the little boxes shuffle themselves around so that the current objective is always the leftmost. I would feel more of a sense of progress through the event if I was moving across the screen as I finished tasks. (Then again maybe the first full-blown Objective Event will make clear why this way is better?)
*I will say that my nightmare mode alt that still only has two shuttlebays and is laughably uncompetitive in gauntlet is clearly not going to get all the way to the end, but then my best ever score in a normal event on there was grinding to 60k-ish in a skirmish.
I would much rather see a number of objectives available in parallel so you can proceed at your own pace than a locked progression of Objective 1, then 2, etc.
If objectives will be locked in the future:
You've got to do due diligence to ensure they are reasonably achievable in the event window, taking into account the event window’s timing globally.
Make the final reward(s) worth pushing for.
I’m guessing this isn’t an option in the current version, but it might be interesting to have branching locks—in order to unlock Objectives B and C you need to do A, but to unlock D you need to complete B (not C). To unlock H maybe you need C, F, and G. Maybe there’s not time to complete all the Objectives in this mode, so you have to pick your end reward and pursue the Objectives that get you to that end one.
As it stands the number of shuttles required is pretty onerous for the time horizon of the event, unless the player has shuttles tanked and can do all 20 in one or two sittings. If these events get better rewards, you are going to create a strong incentive for players to tank shuttles as a workaround. I doubt that’s what you intended to do so you may want to restructure the shuttle part, either that or ban players for 24-72 hours for tanking shuttles, hahaha you’d never do that right ahaha
It seems like a shuttle counts towards the event objective when the player completes it, but everywhere else in the game (daily missions, achievements) the shuttle counts as soon as the player sends it out. You may want to change how the objective event counts shuttle missions to be consistent with the rest of the game.
I enjoyed the fact that the objectives were sequential, it actually felt like I was accomplishing something rather than just bulldozing over a bunch of random tasks. Like I was following a recipe rather than just throwing all the ingredients into a pan and hoping for the best.
It also occurs to me that Voyage end times may be an issue. With faction events I'm willing to send out sub-par voyages because the rewards are worth it. Objective events? Not so much.
Not really needed, i don't think you need to succesfully complete the shuttle, just complete it.
Indeed. I failed 86 percent of my shuttles and it still worked.
In my opinion, getting the player base to do the same old repetitive things so WRG can increase their player engagement stats is the actual objective of these Events.
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In my opinion, getting the player base to do the same old repetitive things so WRG can increase their player engagement stats is the actual objective of these Events.
„The Same Old Repetive Things“ you mean similar to adding „tags“
nxt to the username(s) and creating a special „fleet“,
with the „purpose“ to get WRG to change/improve things regarding the game?
In my opinion, getting the player base to do the same old repetitive things so WRG can increase their player engagement stats is the actual objective of these Events.
„The Same Old Repetive Things“ you mean similar to adding „tags“
nxt to the username(s) and creating a special „fleet“,
with the „purpose“ to get WRG to change/improve things regarding the game?
That worked very well in the past…oh wait… 😉
Sure that's one way to look at it.
Another is the same old repetitive things like individuals taking passive aggressive shots at others on the forum.
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1 - Away Missions. Easy.
2 - Shuttle Breakdown (from someone at CST):
I'll be to claim shuttles at 12pm,3,6,9,12. Also probably easy but I also have a short attention span and might screw it up. This will push back the fifth set of shuttles till 7:30 am the next day unless I do some shuttle time shaving. I do have a lot of 30min speed ups.
3 - Gauntlet much easier if I get the shuttles done correctly. Otherwise I have to 2 windows (start at 7:30 and 11:30) to score 10 gauntlet tries a piece. Made somewhat easier that victory isn't a requirement. Score 5 wins, then tank 5 times. I'm still Balok hunting so I'm not adverse to trying in the gauntlet.
I don't mind doing this but I would prefer some cooler rewards. To me I'm spending some loot to try and get slightly better loot. The honour reward is effectively one merit pull and whatever credits I get from spending those chrons. Sure I'll be able to maybe place well in some future faction event but so does everyone else.
this feels inconsistent with other events under the same button.
Edit: this time i reloaded the game and the button was gold.
Looks like Tier Two is needed. Complete eight shuttle missions.
Additionally, I don't understand why the sudden change in game mechanics, from "started" shuttles (as they are for the dailies) to "completed" shuttles. It adds an unnecessary amount of difficulty to the situation.
In short, I don't think this OE has been properly balanced, and that gives me great concerns about future ones. I don't know if I want to deal with them at this point.
The participation reward being claimable only after the event ends is an integral part of Objective Events, like ranked rewards for weekly events.
As predicted I claimed my first wave 15 minutes later than I should have. Next wave I used 30 min speed ups on.
It also occurs to me that Voyage end times may be an issue. With faction events I'm willing to send out sub-par voyages because the rewards are worth it. Objective events? Not so much.
Not really needed, i don't think you need to succesfully complete the shuttle, just complete it.
Comment moderated - ~Shan Yes, you need to put some effort in it.
Otherwise they could just give you the rewards for free...
Comment moderated - ~Shan It's not very poor planning. It's not for free, so you don't like it doesn't mean poor planning Comment moderated - ~Shan
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Well, once you collect Tier Two, the requirement CHANGES to Tier Three. That is nice. I thought the Livestream for MFF last night was a hot mess. It is cooling off rapidly compared to this nonsense......
Apparently it requires you to finish each thing before the next thing unlocks. Even though their very own text within the "?" button says something different. That changes as you complete a segment of each previous thing. Which a gaming commission would probably frown upon if people were gambling for cashy folding money, because changing the requirements to participate actively feels a little "scammy" if it were a cash money contest......
Even though their own text says something different when you have completed four Shuttle Missions.....
Had to go back a page to see that. Thanx!
Yep. That's the bug. Of course, the question is why you would release something for beta when you already know it has a major bug that will directly impact people's experiences? Surely any halfway competent company would make sure that they only have to worry about the bugs that they don't know about.
I guess because we are the "Beta Testers". Our "salary" is the stuff we get for doing the Event.....
EDIT: NOW it is an Event......
*I will say that my nightmare mode alt that still only has two shuttlebays and is laughably uncompetitive in gauntlet is clearly not going to get all the way to the end, but then my best ever score in a normal event on there was grinding to 60k-ish in a skirmish.
+1 on all of this
It seems like a shuttle counts towards the event objective when the player completes it, but everywhere else in the game (daily missions, achievements) the shuttle counts as soon as the player sends it out. You may want to change how the objective event counts shuttle missions to be consistent with the rest of the game.
Indeed. I failed 86 percent of my shuttles and it still worked.
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„The Same Old Repetive Things“ you mean similar to adding „tags“
nxt to the username(s) and creating a special „fleet“,
with the „purpose“ to get WRG to change/improve things regarding the game?
That worked very well in the past…oh wait… 😉
Sure that's one way to look at it.
Another is the same old repetitive things like individuals taking passive aggressive shots at others on the forum.
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1. It’s clearly advertised as a Beta Test and anything I score along the way is gravy.
2. If I was just given the rewards and didn’t have to work at it that means it’s a charity and not a game.
DABO!