Trait Audit Thread (new)

Lady Gaghgagh

I am making this new Trait Audit Thread as Travis has decided to step down due to personal reasons. So please post here about what traits needs to be altered in game, be they added or subtracted. And as always some traits are open for discussion on their ex/inclusion.

MISSING TRAITS
Ambassador - an individual who acts as a diplomatic representative of many people
Ambassador Fox
Ambassador Soval
Ambassador Spock
Ambassador Troi
Sarek
Suus Mahna Sarek

Android - a being who has been cybernetically created
Automated Unit 3947

Astrophysicist - the discipline of physics as applied to space/the cosmos
Bell Riots Jadzia Dax
Seven in Blue
Seven of Nine
Temporal Agent Seven
Tourist Jadzia Dax
Tsunkatse Seven

Athlete - an individual who engages in sport
Anbo-Jyutsu Riker

Augment - an individual who is affiliated with the Botany Bay and/or Soong Augment factions
Arik Soong
Marla McGivers

Bajoran - an individual of the Bajoran species or resemblant thereof
Kazon Seska
Trader Odo

Betazoid - an individual of the Betazoid species or resemblant thereof
Goddess of Empathy Troi

Brutal - a characteristic where an individual is strict and/or without compassion
B'Etor Duras
First Goran'Agar
Lursa Duras
The Duras Sisters
Third Remata'Klan
Thot Gor

Caregiver - an individual who shows great compassion to others
Ambassador K'Ehleyr

Casual - giving the air or attitude of familiarity and/or being unconcerned with formalities
Dr. Lewis Zimmerman

Communicator - an individual skilled in discourse with others
Boxer Chakotay
Chancellor Gorkon

Costumed - an individual donning attire outside of the ordinary but not for surveillance
Starfleet Uniform Khan

Courier - an individual who engages in the transport of goods/services
Resistance Neelix

Criminal - an individual who is considered to have broken legal code and is an outlaw
Arik Soong
Ardra
Harcourt Fenton Mudd
Sybok
The Professor
Time Loop Mudd

Cultural Figure - an individual who is viewed as revered or important by a culture
Ahdar Ru'afo
Arachnia Janeway
Changeling Founder
Diseased Changeling Founder
Emperor Philippa Georgiou

Desperate - a characteristic where an individual takes/seeks drastic resolution to their issues
Ahdar Ru'afo
Evil Kirk
Sulan
Weyoun Clone 6

Duelist - an individual who participates in physical contest against others
Bartender Guinan
Dahar Master Kang
Fierce Guinan
Frank Hollander

Engineered - an individual who has had their genetics or physiology enhanced artificially
Roga Danar

Exobiology - the discipline of life sciences relating to alien life
Bell Riots Jadzia Dax
Blood Oath Jadzia Dax
Gangster Spock
Princess Jadzia
Tourist Jadzia Dax

Federation - an individual of a species/planet within the United Federation of Planets
Klingon Janeway
Sarina Douglas

Gambler - an individual who engages in using money or goods as tokens in bets
Bell Riots Jadzia Dax
Zhian'tara Odo

Gardener - an individual who cultivates and maintains plants in a garden or garden setting
Tieran Possessed Kes

Geneticist - a scientist who specializes in researching and conducting genetic experiments
Vengeful L'Rell

Hero - an individual considered by others to have committed heroic acts
Beowulf Kim
Sheriff Worf
Weyoun Clone 6

Hologram - an entity made of a projection of light and energy, often as simulated by a computer
Warship EMA

Human - an individual of the Human species or resemblant thereof via imitation
Author Doctor
Boothby Replicant
Command Hologram
Disguised Tuvok
Dr. Noah Hippocrates
Emergency Medical Hologram Mk. 1
Goddess of Empathy Troi
Hologram Barclay
Holonovel Doctor
Lt Cmdr Jack Crusher
Michael Sullivan
Mobile Doctor
Musketeer La Forge
Musketeer Picard
Orion Vina
Stranded Odo
The President of Earth
The Professor
Virtuoso Doctor

Ilari - an individual who is of the Ilari species or inhabited by someone thereof
Tieran Possessed Kes

Innovator - an individual who creates or invents something new
Mirror Stamets
Navigator Stamets
Off-duty Stamets
Professor Sato
Reinforcements Stamets

Inspiring - a characteristic where an individual is able to motivate others through their actions
Chancellor Gorkon
Weyoun Clone 6

Interrogator - an individual who conducts stringent questioning procedures
Captain Spock

Investigator - an individual who uses examination skills to (re)solve a situation
Captain Spock
Stranded Odo
Trader Odo
Umpire Odo
Zhian'tara Odo

Linguist - an individual who studies language and its forms, functions, and meanings
Ensign Sato
Loque'eque Sato

Maverick - an individual who operates by their own code often above the typical social code
Captain Thadiun Okona
Pel
Profitable Ishka
Weyoun Clone 6

Musician - an individual who engages in performing musical activities
Admiral Riker
Age of Sail Riker
Angel I Riker
Anbo-Jyutsu Riker
Botanist Keiko
Commander Riker
First Officer Riker
Lt Thomas Riker
Mintakan Riker
Pah-wraith Keiko
Will Riker

Physician - an individual well-learned in medical practices and provides them
Command Hologram
The President of Earth

Pilot - an individual who is well-learned/practiced in the operation of vehicular crafts
Acting Ensign Crusher
Ambassador Neelix
Bell Riots Jadzia Dax
Cadet Wesley Crusher
Captain Thadiun Okona
Chef Neelix
Ensign Crusher
Formal Dress Wesley Crusher
HMS Pinafore Data
Klingon Neelix
Lieutenant Wesley Crusher
Resistance Neelix
Tourist Jadzia Dax
Tuvix

President - an individual elected as the representative of a body of people
The President of Earth

Prisoner - an individual who has been captured and held, usually on legal bases.
Agent Janeway
Bartender Tuvok
Combat Medic Paris
GI Chakotay
Gladiator McCoy
Harcourt Fenton Mudd
Katrine
Klingon Janeway
Klingon Neelix
Klingon Torres
Mademoiselle de Neuf
Martia
Prisoner 'Bones' McCoy
Resistance Neelix
Rura Penthe Kirk
Rura Penthe Reed
Victorian Pulaski

Quantum Mechanics - the discipline of applying the concepts of engineering to space-time
EV Suit Seven of Nine
Seven in Blue
Seven in Silver
Seven of Nine
Temporal Agent Seven
Tsunkatse Seven

Lady Gaghgagh

MISSING TRAITS continued

Resourceful - a characteristic where an individual is shrewd and efficient
Commander Keras
Weyoun Clone 6

Romulan - an individual of the Romulan species or who is part of Romulan society/culture
Shinzon [held political office of Romulan Praetor, albeit briefly]

Royalty - an individual who is of royal heritage by genetics or marriage
Queen Guinevere Kira
Tieran Possessed Kes

Scoundrel - an individual who is considered to be disreputable and mischievous
Evil Kirk
Zhian'tara Odo

Shapeshifter - an individual who can shift shape; Changeling is a race/species
Changeling Bashir
Changeling Founder
Constable Odo
Investigator Odo
Jazz Musician Odo
Laas
Umpire Odo
Zhian'tara Odo

Smuggler - an individual who engages in the transportation of goods illegally
Resistance Neelix

Spiritual - a characteristic where an individual believes and engages in devotional practices
Boxer Chakotay
Commander Chakotay
Maquis Chakotay
Temporal Prisoner Chakotay

Starfleet - an individual who belongs to the Starfleet organization
Beowulf Kim
Klingon Janeway
Mirror Stamets
Temporal Prisoner Chakotay

Survivalist - an individual who focuses on perpetuating their survival (often in a dire situation)
Away Team Saru
Prisoner Katrina Cornwell

Tactician - an individual who engages in careful meticulous planning of actions
Ahdar Ru'afo
Enabran Tain
Mirror Jean-Luc Picard
Tieran Possessed Kes

Talosian - an individual of the Talosian species or is a part of Talos IV society/culture
Orion Vina

Telekinetic - ability to exert mental power to move physical things
Temporal Shift Kes
Tieran Possessed Kes

Telepath - an ability wherein an individual can communicate or sense their surroundings mentally
Nurse Kes
Temporal Shift Kes
Tieran Possessed Kes

Terran Rebellion - faction in the Mirror Universe which supported Terran imperialism
Mirror Stamets

Terran Rebellion - faction in the Mirror Universe which aided Terran slaves
Mirror Leeta

Theoretical Engineer - an individual who is well-learned in the principles/concepts of engineering
Ahdar Ru'afo

Thief - an individual who has obtained items/money through illegal means
Berlinghoff Rasmussen
Morn

Undercover Operative - an individual who is engaged in covert surveillance/sabotage
Covert Operative Leland

Veteran - an individual who has much experience in battle/war
Admiral Ross
Cardassian Kira
Commander Keras
Disguised Kira
Prisoner O'Brien
Tuxedo Nog

Villain - an individual who serves in an antagonistic capacity to others
B'Etor Duras
Borg Queen
Lursa Duras
The Duras Sisters

Vulcan - an individual of the Vulcan species or who is a part of Vulcan society/culture
Amanda Grayson
Desert Michael Burnham
First Officer Michael Burnham
Graduation Michael Burnham*
Prisoner Michael Burnham
Prospect Michael Burnham*
Tactical Michael Burnham

*These personae are the most clearly Vulcan-minded Burnhams.

CONTESTED TRAITS

Spy vs. Undercover Operative
It seems that Spy is a vocation within the espionage field and Undercover Operative refers to agents in operating under a false identity, whether for espionage, detective work, etc. These changes would make the most sense. They are not necessarily mutually exclusive, neither are they necessarily the same thing.

Add Spy

Bashir, Julian Bashir
Ensign Seska
Garak, Elim Garak
Rakal Troi
Senator Vreenak

Add Undercover Operative

Breen Disguise Dukat
Colonel Karr
Disguised Tuvok
Laborer Spock
North Star Archer
North Star Tucker
Trader Odo
Xindi Prisoner Archer

Spy & Undercover Operative Changes
Agent Harris - Change Undercover Operative to Spy
Anastasia Komananov - Change Undercover Operative to Spy
Kazon Seska - Change Undercover Operative to Spy
Luther Sloan - Change Undercover Operative to Spy
Obsidian Order Garak - Change Undercover Operative to Spy
Section 31 Reed - Change Undercover Operative to Spy
Tailor Garak - Change Undercover Operative to Spy
Temporal Agent Daniels - Change Undercover Operative to Spy

Prisoners, Hostages, and Captives
Explained in depth by @Lady Gaghgagh here. Short version: Either rename Prisoner to Captive, or create Hostage to distinguish from Prisoners.

Hostage, not Prisoner
Mintakan Troi
Temporal Prisoner Chakotay
Victorian Pulaski

SHOULD BE REMOVED

Admiral Ross - Cultural Figure
Commander T'Pol - High Command
Dr. Gillian Taylor - Physician
Kazon Seska - Undercover Operative
Mirror Intendant Kira - Cardassian, Klingon
Mirror Regent Worf - Cardassian
Mirror Vic Fontaine - Musician
Smitten Jean-Luc Picard - Musician
Stranded Odo - Shapeshifter
The Prophet - Terran Rebellion

Lady Gaghgagh

SHIP TRAITS

HMS Bounty - add Klingon
---the ship is still Klingon in design.
NX-01 Enterprise - add Historic
---the ship was essentially the maiden voyage of Starfleet, so undoubtedly this ship is historic.
Scimitar - add Cloaking Device
---its cloaking device was the thing which made it so harrowing for Picard et al to battle.
USS Discovery - add Warship
---the ship was used specifically as a special weapon in war.
USS Discovery - remove Ruthless
---the ship wasn't especially under ruthless command
USS Reliant - (Option 1)* - remove Federation and Explorer, add Augment and Battlecruiser
---if the ship was under Khan's command
USS Reliant - (Option 2)* - remove Ruthless, add Battlecruiser
---if the ship was under Captain Terrell's command

*the options of which version of the USS Reliant we have is discussed here by @Matt_Decker

FIXED TRAITS (yay DB)

Bartender Guinan - Civilian
Commander Keras - Tactician added, Villain removed
Herbert Rossoff - Costumed removed
Obsidian Order Garak - Interrogator
Rakal Troi - Tal Shiar created and added
Roga Danar - Veteran added
Senator Vreenak - Tal Shiar created and added
Zefram Cochrane - Pilot

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Lady Gaghgagh wrote: »

Veteran - an individual who has much experience in battle/war
Admiral Ross
Commander Keras
Prisoner O'Brien
Roga Danar

Just a quick FYI: Roga Danar got the veteran trait in a server update on 7/17

Thanks for keeping this going. DB needs to implement these changes ASAP.

Odo Marmarosa

Thanks for taking command of the thread Lady Gaghgagh!

Lady Gaghgagh

12345678 of 123456789 wrote: »

Lady Gaghgagh wrote: »

Veteran - an individual who has much experience in battle/war
Admiral Ross
Commander Keras
Prisoner O'Brien
Roga Danar

Just a quick FYI: Roga Danar got the veteran trait in a server update on 7/17

Thanks for keeping this going. DB needs to implement these changes ASAP.

Thanks for letting me know.

Odo Marmarosa wrote: »

Thanks for taking command of the thread Lady Gaghgagh!

I hope it will go smoothly

Elim

Stranded Odo should not have the shapeshifter trait. He is monoform at that point although he should also have the human trait rather than the changing trait

Lady Gaghgagh

@Shan can you please make this thread an announcement and un-announce the old thread? Thanks

Commander Sinclair

If you are considering Burnham(s) for Vulcan Trait, then Amanda Grayson should be on there as well, as she deserves it much more than Burnham!

Commander Sinclair

Okay a grey area has opened up in the "Mirror Universe" traits. I am picking nits here, I admit, but it is something to consider when keeping things Canon or not.

In TOS, it was in the Dialogue between Mirror Spock and Kirk as being in and things being relative to "Starfleet".

In Discovery, all the way through the Mirror segment, Starfleet was used only by Prime Disco crew, and the idea of "Starfleet" was sneered at by Emperor Georgiou.

If we hold things to Canon, then all Disco-era Mirror Universe/Terrans are NOT Starfleet, and suggests that "Starfleet" came into being after Emperor Georgiou vanished and someone else stepped in.
EXCEPT...

This is further complicated by the fact in ENT, there is dialogue between Terrans about "orders from Starfleet".

One can only assume by way of infinite parallel universes, that all three of these Mirror Universes could be separate and different, but always similar.

Or someone from CBS made a faux pas when writing the script for Discovery, and not properly researching it.

Admittedly I haven't seen any DS9 for over 20 years, so I cannot speak to the facts on them, and someone should look into that as well.

Summary: ENT & TOS Mirror crew should have the "Starfleet" trait
DISCO Mirror/Terran crew should not.

[7TW] UnkieB

Commander Sinclair wrote: »

In Discovery, all the way through the Mirror segment, Starfleet was used only by Prime Disco crew, and the idea of "Starfleet" was sneered at by Emperor Georgiou.

She sneered at the Federation, I don't recall her doing so with Starfleet. Guess I'll have to rewatch it sometime...


Emperor - "The Federation. I know it well from the Defiant's files. There's a reason they're classified. Equality. Freedom. Co-operation."

Burnham - "Cornerstones for successful cultures."

Emperor - "Delusions that Terrans shed millennia ago. Destructive ideals that fuel rebellions and I will not let you infect us again."

Raijinmeister

The Borg Queen should be added to the villain's list as Mirror Picard should be added to the tactician's.

Lady Gaghgagh

Raijinmeister wrote: »

The Borg Queen should be added to the villain's list as Mirror Picard should be added to the tactician's.

Why exactly should Tactician be added to Mirror Picard? Asking because I don't know anything about the comics.

Borg Queen is already under the "add to Villain" list, please be sure to peruse the current list next time in case the information is already there

Raijinmeister

Lady Gaghgagh wrote: »

Raijinmeister wrote: »

The Borg Queen should be added to the villain's list as Mirror Picard should be added to the tactician's.

Why exactly should Tactician be added to Mirror Picard? Asking because I don't know anything about the comics.


Borg Queen is already under the "add to Villain" list, please be sure to peruse the current list next time in case the information is already there

Oh, sorry about the Borg Queen. I thought you had forgotten to add her in this version as the original was put in a hold.

About Picard even not being completely familiar with the whole story he is in charge of an infiltration plan of the Terran Empire against the Federation and from that, I can take he is a very capable officer, able to be sent behind the enemy lines only with his crew and one ship to execute the plan. It would not be a task given to someone not really well prepared to plan well and think ahead of the circumstances.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Mirror

Great work with the list. ^_^

Odo Marmarosa

For reference, here are all of in-game traits I can pull together. It is mainly from the wiki and was last updated in April; I added some of the new ones released since but may be missing a few, shout out if you think of any I missed. I've split them up into categories to help think about if a given crew card is worthy of a proposed trait. Disclaimer: This classification system is just my opinion

Species: Each crew should have at least one. At the least it describes what the character is. It includes artificial and nonphysical lifeforms. The trait may also be assigned to repressent a political, cultural or professional connection, or on a character disguised as or mutated into a different species.

Andoran, Android, Angosian, Augment, Ba'ku, Bajoran, Benzite, Betazed, Borg, Breen, Cardassian, Chameoloid, Changeling, Deltan, Denobulan, Dosi, Edosian, El-Aurian, Elaysian, Excaliban, Ferengi, Gorn, Hirogen, Hologram, Human, Jem(apostrophe)Hadar, Kaelon, Kazon, Kelpien, Klingon, Ktarian, Loque'eque, Lurian, M-113 Creature, Malan, Mintakian, Mylean, Nacene, Ocampa, Probe, Prophet, Remen, Romulan, Silicon Lifeform, Species 8472, Son'a, Suliban, Talaxian, Talosian, Tamarian, Terran, T'Kon, Tusk, Vidiian, Vorta, Voth, Vulcan, Xindi

Political: Repressents citizenship of a multispecies nation

Dominion, Federation, Klingon-Cardassian Alliance, Maquis, Terran Empire,

Unit: Membership or affiliation with a specific military, political or espionage organization

High Command, Imperial Guard, MACO, Section 31, Starfleet, Obsidian Order, Tal Shar, Terran Rebellion

Titles: Holding a specific title, may be a position of power and/or respect, may be earned or inherited or self-appointed

Ambassador, Chancellor, Dahar Master, Empress, Kai, Lord, President, Royalty, Senator, Torchbearer, Vedek

Professional: Practiced skill at some task one could possibly make a living at, or someone pretending to be such a person,

Advocate, Athlete, Artist, Bartender, Chef, Constable, Councelor, Courier, Diplomat, Gambler, Gardener, Hunter, Interrogator, Investigator, Merchant, Musician, Nurse, Physician, Pilot, Smuggler, Spy, Tailor, Temportal Agent, Warrior, Writer

Scientific: Knowledge of a specific area of study

Astronomer, Astrophysicist, Botanist, Cetacean Biologist, Cyberneticist, Exoarcheology, Exobiology, Geneticist, Geologist, Linguist, Neurologist, Theortical Engineer, Xenoanthropology

Other Trained Skills: That seem to come in handy

Communicator, Duelist, Explorer, Jury-Rigger, Marskman, Sabotuer, Survivalist, Tactician, Thief

Situational: Either in a specific moment or at a specific period of someone's life

Caregiver, Civilian, Criminal, Costumed, Desperate, Hero, Primal, Prisoner, Rich, Undercover Operative, Veteran, Villian

Inherit: Traits that repressent something essential to a character's nature, through either culture, biology or alternate universe.

Boomer, Clone, Mirror Universe, Prodigy, Shapeshifter,

Personality: Mostly inherit to individuals, but may also represent anyone in a dramatic situation

Brutal, Casual, Crafty, Innovator, Inspiring, Maverick, Resourceful, Romantic, Scoundrel, Spiritual

Metaphysical Powers: These traits are far out, man.

Cursed, Empath, Telekinetic, Telepathic, Zhian'tara

EDITS 9/3: Moved Romantic to personality and added several missing traits.

{R•PHX}Captain Stupid

Shouldn't Mirror Ezri have Terran Rebellion triat? Also @Odo Marmarosa that is one missing from your list in units.

Dirk Gunderson

Captain Stupid wrote: »

Shouldn't Mirror Ezri have Terran Rebellion triat? Also @Odo Marmarosa that is one missing from your list in units.

Hmm...if memory serves she was more of a freelancer doing jobs for whomever could pay. I suppose she ended up with the Rebellion after helping Quark and Rom escape, so it could go either way.

Odo Marmarosa

Moved Terran Rebellion from Political to Unit catagories, and added Mirror Universe to Inherit catagory, and edited some of my descriptions for grammer and clarity. Thanks!

[S14] Elynduil

Crossposting:

Elynduil wrote: »

They recently created the "Terran Rebellion" trait to clear up the confusion regarding Terrans of DS9, after the Terran Empire is no more (see here). Some crew just had "Terran Rebellion" added, while others who had "Terran Empire" before, had that replaced with "Terran Rebellion".

But Mirror Leeta slipped through the cracks (perhaps because the change was not too long after her initial release) and still holds the "Terran Empire" trait. Needs a fix, right?

[7TW] UnkieB

From today's server notes...

- Addition of the traits "Voq" and "Klingon" to all versions of Ash Tyler

Lady Gaghgagh

[7TW] UnkieB wrote: »

From today's server notes...

- Addition of the traits "Voq" and "Klingon" to all versions of Ash Tyler

I admit the "Voq" trait is just plain weird. Are we going to start giving personal traits to other undercover operatives or different realizations of them? Is Benny Russell going to get "Sisko"? Herbert Rossoff as "Quark"? Galen as "Picard"-traited?

[7TW] UnkieB

Lady Gaghgagh wrote: »

[7TW] UnkieB wrote: »

From today's server notes...

- Addition of the traits "Voq" and "Klingon" to all versions of Ash Tyler

I admit the "Voq" trait is just plain weird. Are we going to start giving personal traits to other undercover operatives or different realizations of them? Is Benny Russell going to get "Sisko"? Herbert Rossoff as "Quark"? Galen as "Picard"-traited?

Although their invisible in game, the crew you mention do have those as hidden traits which appears to be the case for Ash too. I unfroze Party Ash and he doesn't actually show the Voq trait in game, so it's a hidden trait like the others I'm guessing.

Lady Gaghgagh

[7TW] UnkieB wrote: »

Lady Gaghgagh wrote: »

[7TW] UnkieB wrote: »

From today's server notes...

- Addition of the traits "Voq" and "Klingon" to all versions of Ash Tyler

I admit the "Voq" trait is just plain weird. Are we going to start giving personal traits to other undercover operatives or different realizations of them? Is Benny Russell going to get "Sisko"? Herbert Rossoff as "Quark"? Galen as "Picard"-traited?

Although their invisible in game, the crew you mention do have those as hidden traits which appears to be the case for Ash too. I unfroze Party Ash and he doesn't actually show the Voq trait in game, so it's a hidden trait like the others I'm guessing.

Oooh, that's a great idea then, meta-traits used for better search features. Like we can give Galen "Picard" so all of Picard's versions pop up if we simply search "Picard".

guest_686544142565377

Starfleet Uniform Khan should have a "costumed" trait, no?

Lady Gaghgagh

guest_686544142565377 wrote: »

Starfleet Uniform Khan should have a "costumed" trait, no?

I added it in, I think you're right.

Lady Gaghgagh

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Matt_Decker

Lady Gaghgagh wrote: »

We have successfully been stickied, yay!

You're doing a great job moderating this thread, Lady Gaghgagh. Thank you.

[SSR] GTMET

Shouldn't Ash and celebratory Tyler both have undercover operative?

Matt_Decker

The Prophet (Mirror Sarek) has the Terran Rebellion trait, but he's really part of the anti-Terran rebellion (though I'm not sure they called it anything at all). The Terran Rebellion was made up of Terrans -- like Smiley O'Brien and Mirror Bashir -- rebelling against the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance. The Prophet was part of Voq's rebellion against the Terran Empire.

Lady Gaghgagh

[TFA] GTMET (DB - Do Better) wrote: »

Shouldn't Ash and celebratory Tyler both have undercover operative?

I mean yes I think so, but then again he wasn't even aware of his undercover operative status, so it's a hard call.

Lady Gaghgagh

Matt_Decker wrote: »

The Prophet (Mirror Sarek) has the Terran Rebellion trait, but he's really part of the anti-Terran rebellion (though I'm not sure they called it anything at all). The Terran Rebellion was made up of Terrans -- like Smiley O'Brien and Mirror Bashir -- rebelling against the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance. The Prophet was part of Voq's rebellion against the Terran Empire.

So are you saying some traits should be added, or removed?

I'm thinking a good way to talk about trait additions/deletions in this thread in the future is if everyone wanting to introduce the idea of an addition/deletion could preface their comment to the thread with "Trait: Addition" or "Trait: Deletion" or even "Trait: Change" as the top line, then go into regular sentences below that. And maybe put any discussed traits in brackets. That way I can organize what needs to go where in the list without guessing or asking for clarification. Note, this only would apply to someone introducing a trait addition/deletion/change, not all following discussion thereof by other commenters. Example below.

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Trait: Addition
I think versions of Keiko should have [musician] as in TNG she was shown to play the clarinet in Data's makeshift band sessions/performances.

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Commenter 1: Yeah I think that's a reasonable trait.

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Commenter 2: Hmmm, but would this apply to Mirror Keiko? We have no idea if she plays an instrument in the Mirror Universe. Also what about Pah-Wraith Keiko, clearly PWKeiko wouldn't care about any mundane frivolities like playing a clarinet.