Ba'ku Worf and Sheriff Worf are missing the trait Duelist.
Mirror Regent Worf is also missing the trait Duelist, but I personally don't know enough about the mirror universe to be certain he deserves it.
Sheriff Worf is missing the trait Tactician.
I'm curious if multiple versions of Picard should have the Inspiring trait.
Cardassian Kira and Disguised Kira are missing the Veteran trait.
Pah-wraith Cult Dukat is missing the Brutal trait, and possibly the Desperate trait.
On the first page Villain is listed as a situational trait, but there are some characters (Dukat + Khan) that are pretty much universally villains.
Young Khan should probably have the Resourceful trait. All the other Khans do, but I'm least versed on TOS.
Also, I apparently really like geeking out about all this stuff so I'll probably keep looking for things.
Just going to note that Assimilated Hawk has the pilot trait. He was helmsman of the Enterprise-E, and otherwise exhibited no piloting skills. As such, it becomes even clearer that all versions of Wesley Crusher, who helmed the USS Enterprise-D in more episodes than any other character, should have the pilot trait (except the 1-star common Wesley Crusher, who is a version from before he became helmsman). It further undermines the argument put forth by Shan for why Cadet Crusher, an award-winning pilot, did not have this trait:
The pilot trait is not meant to be added to any crew that might have one day piloted a vessel.
When we add this trait to a crew it is in reference to their skills and proven abilities as a pilot.
On the first page Villain is listed as a situational trait, but there are some characters (Dukat + Khan) that are pretty much universally villains
True, but I did leave that trait list with a disclaimer that the catagories were just my opinion. I thought about having Villain be inherit, but I went with situational because of characters like Winn that have both villainous and non-villainous versions.
Good catch on the Kira, Worf, Picard and Dukat versions (although Sheriff Worf does have duelist - Trader Worf does not though). It's like various versions of Jadzia lacking Exobiology...generally characters should have inherit or skill-based traits in all their versions unless there is a compelling reason to exclude it (perhaps Ba'ku lacks Duelist because that huge disruptor prevents him from dueling because his hands are busy? I don't know)
Glad you're geeking out about this, fellow trait nerd.
It's like various versions of Jadzia lacking Exobiology...generally characters should have inherit or skill-based traits in all their versions unless there is a compelling reason to exclude it.
Along this line of logic I think more versions of Sisko should have the Diplomat skill. 1701 and Niners Sisko are missing it. Although Niners Sisko is probably not the most diplomatic version of him.
Also I think the Chef skill should be a base/inherit skill for all Siskos. (Mirror, Benny, Gabriel Bell, Dr. Hippocrates are excluded because they are technically other people.)
The only version of Bashir that has the Prodigy trait is Racquetball Bashir. I'm skeptical if genetically engineered/augments can count as prodigies. And if they do, I propose all general Bashir's are given the trait.
RAF Bashir is missing the Gambler Trait.
Perhaps Cybernetist should be an in inherit skill for all Bashir characters.
Anyone have an argument for Data being or not being Engineered? I'm for it.
I am making this new Trait Audit Thread as Travis has decided to step down due to personal reasons. So please post here about what traits needs to be altered in game, be they added or subtracted. And as always some traits are open for discussion on their ex/inclusion.
MISSING TRAITS Ambassador - an individual who acts as a diplomatic representative of many people
Ambassador Fox
Ambassador Soval
Ambassador Spock
Ambassador Troi
Sarek
Suus Mahna Sarek
Android - a being who has been cybernetically created
Automated Unit 3947
Astrophysicist - the discipline of physics as applied to space/the cosmos
Bell Riots Jadzia Dax
Seven in Blue
Seven of Nine
Temporal Agent Seven
Tourist Jadzia Dax
Tsunkatse Seven
Athlete - an individual who engages in sport
Anbo-Jyutsu Riker
Augment - an individual who is affiliated with the Botany Bay and/or Soong Augment factions
Arik Soong
Marla McGivers
Betazoid - an individual of the Betazoid species or resemblant thereof
Goddess of Empathy Troi
Botanist - an individual who engages in plant-based sciences and study of plants
Tieran Possessed Kes
Brutal - a characteristic where an individual is strict and/or without compassion
B'Etor Duras
First Goran'Agar
Lursa Duras
The Duras Sisters
Third Remata'Klan
Thot Gor
Caregiver - an individual who shows great compassion to others
Ambassador K'Ehleyr
Communicator - an individual skilled in discourse with others
Boxer Chakotay
Chancellor Gorkon
Costumed - an individual donning attire outside of the ordinary but not for surveillance
Starfleet Uniform Khan
Courier - an individual who engages in the transport of goods/services
Resistance Neelix
Criminal - an individual who is considered to have broken legal code and is an outlaw
Arik Soong
Ardra
Harcourt Fenton Mudd
Sybok
The Professor
Time Loop Mudd
Cultural Figure - an individual who is viewed as revered or important by a culture
Ahdar Ru'afo
Changeling Founder
Diseased Changeling Founder
Emperor Philippa Georgiou
Desperate - a characteristic where an individual takes/seeks drastic resolution to their issues
Ahdar Ru'afo
Sulan
Weyoun Clone 6
Duelist - an individual who participates in physical contest against others
Bartender Guinan
Dahar Master Kang
Fierce Guinan
Frank Hollander
Engineered - an individual who has had their genetics or physiology enhanced artificially
Roga Danar
Exobiology - the discipline of life sciences relating to alien life
Bell Riots Jadzia Dax
Blood Oath Jadzia Dax
Gangster Spock
Princess Jadzia
Tourist Jadzia Dax
Federation - an individual of a species/planet within the United Federation of Planets
Sarina Douglas
Gambler - an individual who engages in using money or goods as tokens in bets
Bell Riots Jadzia Dax
Zhian'tara Odo
Hero - an individual considered by others to have committed heroic acts
Weyoun Clone 6
Hologram - an entity made of a projection of light and energy, often as simulated by a computer
Warship EMA
Human - an individual of the Human species or resemblant thereof via imitation
Author Doctor
Command Hologram
Dr. Noah Hippocrates
Emergency Medical Hologram Mk. 1
Goddess of Empathy Troi
Hologram Barclay
Holonovel Doctor
Lt Cmdr Jack Crusher
Michael Sullivan
Mobile Doctor
Musketeer La Forge
Musketeer Picard
Orion Vina
Stranded Odo
The President of Earth
The Professor
Virtuoso Doctor
Ilari - an individual who is of the Ilari species or inhabited by someone thereof
Tieran Possessed Kes
Innovator - an individual who creates or invents something new
Professor Sato
Inspiring - a characteristic where an individual is able to motivate others through their actions
Chancellor Gorkon
Weyoun Clone 6
Interrogator - an individual who conducts stringent questioning procedures
Captain Spock
Investigator - an individual who uses examination skills to (re)solve a situation
Captain Spock
Stranded Odo
Trader Odo
Umpire Odo
Zhian'tara Odo
Maverick - an individual who operates by their own code often above the typical social code
Captain Thadiun Okona
Pel
Profitable Ishka
Weyoun Clone 6
Musician - an individual who engages in performing musical activities
Admiral Riker
Age of Sail Riker
Angel I Riker
Anbo-Jyutsu Riker
Botanist Keiko
Commander Riker
First Officer Riker
Lt Thomas Riker
Mintakan Riker
Pah-wraith Keiko
Will Riker
Physician - an individual well-learned in medical practices and provides them
Command Hologram
The President of Earth
Pilot - an individual who is well-learned/practiced in the operation of vehicular crafts
Ambassador Neelix
Bell Riots Jadzia Dax
Cadet Wesley Crusher
Captain Thadiun Okona
Chef Neelix
Formal Dress Wesley Crusher
HMS Pinafore Data
Klingon Neelix
Lieutenant Wesley Crusher
Resistance Neelix
Tourist Jadzia Dax
Tuvix
President - an individual elected as the representative of a body of people
The President of Earth
Prisoner - an individual who has been captured and held, usually on legal bases.
Gladiator McCoy
Harcourt Fenton Mudd
Martia
Prisoner 'Bones' McCoy
Rura Penthe Kirk
Rura Penthe Reed
Victorian Pulaski
Quantum Mechanics - the discipline of applying the concepts of engineering to space-time
Seven in Blue
Seven of Nine
Temporal Agent Seven
Tsunkatse Seven
Not having looked at all these suggestions, I homed in on the one I spotted first. I understood a trait as one that a character possesses. If being affiliated was included then Burnham still ought to be termed as Vulcan. By inference Marks Givens would then be described as Augment. As it stands she’s still fully human as far I understood from the episode.
Casual
Captain Morgan Bateson - remove. Dude's on duty.
Hero
Sheriff Worf - add. Frank Hollander is already a Villain.
Geneticist
Vengeful L'Rell - add. Strange for someone who doesn't have MED, I know, but she is one!
Physician
Vengeful L'Rell - add. Strange for someone who doesn't have MED, I know, but she is one!
Religious
Pah-wraith Cult Dukat - add. An evil religion is still a religion!
Romantic
Reinforcements Stamets - add. His partner, Dr. Hugh Culber has the trait.
Survivalist
Away Team Saru - add. Lt Commander and First Officer both have it.
Tactician
Enabran Tain - add. He co-planned the Obsidian Order's joint venture with the Tal Shiar to attack the Founders. Yeah, it was a trap and he was duped, but he still did the legwork.
Casual
Captain Morgan Bateson - remove. Dude's on duty.
Hero
Sheriff Worf - add. Frank Hollander is already a Villain.
Geneticist
Vengeful L'Rell - add. Strange for someone who doesn't have MED, I know, but she is one!
Physician
Vengeful L'Rell - add. Strange for someone who doesn't have MED, I know, but she is one!
Religious
Pah-wraith Cult Dukat - add. An evil religion is still a religion!
Romantic
Reinforcements Stamets - add. His partner, Dr. Hugh Culber has the trait.
Survivalist
Away Team Saru - add. Lt Commander and First Officer both have it.
Tactician
Enabran Tain - add. He co-planned the Obsidian Order's joint venture with the Tal Shiar to attack the Founders. Yeah, it was a trap and he was duped, but he still did the legwork.
L'Rell: Not so sure about L'Rell having the Physician trait. Performing medical activities -- even with great skill -- does not necessarily make one a Physician.
Stamets: I think the issue is that they need to add more versions of him to the game. Reinforcements Stamets is on an away mission, if memory serves, and he doesn't show his romantic side during that away mission. We definitely see that he's a romantic at heart in the first episode of Season 2, however. Maybe that version (with the head gear) could be added to the game and given the Romantic trait.
Bateson: He's on duty and in uniform, but he's remarkably casual about having nearly struck a futuristic Starfleet vessel after encountering a temporal anomaly. So, this could be argued either way.
After watching season one of Discovery, it's clear that most Burnham versions deserve Duelist...she defeats multiple Klingons and Terrans in close-quarters fighting, and those are two cultures that value skill with blades.
The Scimitar is missing the Cloaking Device trait. It should have Reman as a trait too.
Apparently it does now ... My Voyage needed the Reman trait for its ship and I had no clue which one had it ... had to google it to find out which it could be (don't know much about Star Trek).
On USS Reliant being "Ruthless" -- it depends on who's commanding it when. Since the version in the game has the traits "Federation" (not "Augment") and "Explorer", this suggests it is the Reliant that was under the command of Captain Terrell that went exploring planets looking for a lifeless one on which to test the Genesis device. So "Ruthless" would be totally wrong.
If, on the other hand, it had the "Augment" trait, instead of "Federation" (like the Bounty has the "Federation" trait instead of "Klingon"), to signify that Khan and his crew now control the ship, I think it would be perfectly appropriate to include "Ruthless."
Either way, it should have the trait "Battlecruiser" since the game establishes the Miranda-class as having that trait (which makes sense, when you remember the phaser cannons unique to that design). So, I see two options for the Reliant, depending on whether it is Terrell's ship or Khan's:
Federation, Explorer, Battlecruiser
Augment, Ruthless, Battlecruiser
Since we have plenty of Federation ships in the game and no Augment ships, and this ship was introduced as part of the Augment event, my preference would be to go the Augment route.
Seeing that the USS Reliant is about to be the featured ship in the Admirals' Arena, I just thought I'd restart this discussion on her attributes. The current set -- Federation, Ruthless, Explorer -- makes no sense as a combination, as I explain above. I'd like to see the Reliant acknowledged as taken over by Khan, so it would be:
The Scimitar is missing the Cloaking Device trait. It should have Reman as a trait too.
Apparently it does now ... My Voyage needed the Reman trait for its ship and I had no clue which one had it ... had to google it to find out which it could be (don't know much about Star Trek).
Awesome. It is still missing the Cloaking Device trait.
I think this has been noted before but her new character reminded me. Emporer Georgiou needs the Cultural Figure trait and it’s possible her Section 31 version should have it as well, since she still has the Empress trait; also, Royalty for both. Finally, I question whether L’Rell, the new, upcoming 2 star version, should have Cultural Figure. I mean, she has it listed and I’m wondering why? She’s not yet of any real importance at that point in her timeline, so why did they give her that? Geneticist and Interrogator would have been better traits for her to me. What does everyone else think?
Weirdly enough, I’m also Vulcan Housewife. Also, RNGesus hates me, like really, REALLY hates me.
I think this has been noted before but her new character reminded me. Emporer Georgiou needs the Cultural Figure trait and it’s possible her Section 31 version should have it as well, since she still has the Empress trait; also, Royalty for both. Finally, I question whether L’Rell, the new, upcoming 2 star version, should have Cultural Figure. I mean, she has it listed and I’m wondering why? She’s not yet of any real importance at that point in her timeline, so why did they give her that? Geneticist and Interrogator would have been better traits for her to me. What does everyone else think?
Emperor Georgiou -- Definitely should be a Cultural Figure. I've posted on this before, I think. Royalty, too. I hadn't caught that before.
Section 31 Georgiou -- I actually don't think she should have the Empress trait. She's not in the universe where she rules anything, and she was effectively deposed. Thus, she's also no longer Royalty or a Cultural Figure.
L'Rell 2* -- I'm unclear at what point in the show she wears the outfit in question. Unless it's the outfit she wears at the very end of Season 1, I agree, she's not a Cultural Figure (yet).
Mirror Stamets appears to be missing Terran Empire and Starfleet. From all appearances and the show itself, he IS a member, tenuous though it may be, of both. So both of those traits need to be added.
Weirdly enough, I’m also Vulcan Housewife. Also, RNGesus hates me, like really, REALLY hates me.
Mirror Stamets appears to be missing Terran Empire and Starfleet. From all appearances and the show itself, he IS a member, tenuous though it may be, of both. So both of those traits need to be added.
Concur. Need to add these traits.
Other 'mirror' characters such as Mirror Kirk and Spock have those traits.
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Captain of the voyage vessels: Queen of Bashir, Landsknecht, and Sunspear, the first luxury starship cruiseliners.
Amenities include wifi, fully-functioning holodecks, a full-service bar, 3 party decks, a Trill spa, and a business centre.
Fun fact: The ships are propelled by bouncy castle technology.
Looking at the new 5* bartender Tuvok, I think a new trait should be created. "French Resistance".
He, Katrine, Neelix & De Neuf, should have as well since they were the resistance for the town of 'Saint Claire' in the holoprogram in episode "The Killing Game"
While we're at it, maybe see about another collection.
Looking at the new 5* bartender Tuvok, I think a new trait should be created. "French Resistance".
He, Katrine, Neelix & De Neuf, should have as well since they were the resistance for the town of 'Saint Claire' in the holoprogram in episode "The Killing Game"
Or they could just make a slightly more generic trait to encompass characters from those episodes as well as any “inspired” by them. Just using Resistance as a trait would likely work in my opinion. That way they could add it to the Americans like GI Chakotay and Combat Medic Paris as well.
Weirdly enough, I’m also Vulcan Housewife. Also, RNGesus hates me, like really, REALLY hates me.
Botanist - an individual who engages in plant-based sciences and study of plants
Tieran Possessed Kes
I actually think that Kes should get “gardener” rather than “botanist” for reasons mentioned below. She grew food in an “airponics” bay, and then messed with it with her telepathy. Not that I’m knocking gardening—it’s a vital and difficult skill, but 3 years of gardening in a cargo bay? Or I could be totally wrong, I never followed Kes’ story all that much.
Irumadic Syndrome Picard (TNG, “All Good Things”) who oversees a vineyard, which he grew up in one ought to have it too. Instead, he gets “gardener”? Viniculture requires far more skill (especially in France) than “gardening.”
Ro Laren took botanical classes at Starfleet Academy, as mentioned in her conversation with Keiko in TNG “Rascals.”
Shinzon: is identified as Reman, which is how the Remans recognized him and how he self-identifies.
Admiral Ross - Cultural Figure
Ambassador K'Ehleyr - Brutal
Commander T'Pol - High Command
Dr. Gillian Taylor - Physician
Duelist Torres - Athlete
Kazon Seska - Bajoran, Undercover Operative
Mirror Intendant Kira - Cardassian, Klingon
Mirror Regent Worf - Cardassian
Mirror Vic Fontaine - Musician
Obsidian Order Garak - Romantic
Smitten Jean-Luc Picard - Musician
Stranded Odo - Shapeshifter
The Prophet - Terran Rebellion
Xindi Prisoner Archer - Costumed
Disagreements:
Admiral Ross led the Dominion War for the Federation along with the Klingons and Romulans. He would be known throughout the Federation as well as the Klingon and Romulan Empires as such, not to mention the camps of the enemy. Think of the leaders and generals/admirals of the majors wars in history...
Ambassador K’Ehleyr: did you see her in the holodeck?! Not to mention her immediate suggestion to blow up the IKS T’ong rather than attempt another solution? Kinda brutal.
Duelist Torres: Hand to hand fighting is athletic. I taught it in the military, and have taken boxing/martial arts.
Obsidian Order Garak: he was exiled from Cardassia by his father, Enabrain Tain, and accepted his job and status as a Cardassian citizen again. His entire character arc involves romanticism about Cardassia, and is seen in DS9: “Improbable Cause (at the end) / The Die is Cast” romanticizing with Tain over a glass of kanar and fond memories. Romantic isn’t just between people, it can be about places, times, nostalgia, and anything someone once truly loved.
Xindi Prisoner Archer was totally costumed in ENT (S3: “Strategem”). They built a fake ship, added fake prisoner tattoos, sped up the growth of his hair follicles, and had him wear rags. He was literally pretending to be a fellow prisoner with Degra.
Good posts, BTW.
Edit: changed one instance of “gardening” to “gardener” to correctly reflect the trait in the game. Stupid autocorrect.
Botanist - an individual who engages in plant-based sciences and study of plants
Tieran Possessed Kes
I actually think that Kes should get “gardener” rather than “botanist” for reasons mentioned below. She grew food in an “airponics” bay, and then messed with it with her telepathy. Not that I’m knocking gardening—it’s a vital and difficult skill, but 3 years of gardening in a cargo bay? Or I could be totally wrong, I never followed Kes’ story all that much.
Irumadic Syndrome Picard (TNG, “All Good Things”) who oversees a vineyard, which he grew up in one ought to have it too. Instead, he gets “gardener”? Viniculture requires far more skill (especially in France) than “gardening.”
Ro Laren took botanical classes at Starfleet Academy, as mentioned in her conversation with Keiko in TNG “Rascals.”
Shinzon: is identified as Reman, which is how the Remans recognized him and how he self-identifies.
Admiral Ross - Cultural Figure
Ambassador K'Ehleyr - Brutal
Commander T'Pol - High Command
Dr. Gillian Taylor - Physician
Duelist Torres - Athlete
Kazon Seska - Bajoran, Undercover Operative
Mirror Intendant Kira - Cardassian, Klingon
Mirror Regent Worf - Cardassian
Mirror Vic Fontaine - Musician
Obsidian Order Garak - Romantic
Smitten Jean-Luc Picard - Musician
Stranded Odo - Shapeshifter
The Prophet - Terran Rebellion
Xindi Prisoner Archer - Costumed
Disagreements:
Admiral Ross led the Dominion War for the Federation along with the Klingons and Romulans. He would be known throughout the Federation as well as the Klingon and Romulan Empires as such, not to mention the camps of the enemy. Think of the leaders and generals/admirals of the majors wars in history...
Ambassador K’Ehleyr: did you see her in the holodeck?! Not to mention her immediate suggestion to blow up the IKS T’ong rather than attempt another solution? Kinda brutal.
Duelist Torres: Hand to hand fighting is athletic. I taught it in the military, and have taken boxing/martial arts.
Obsidian Order Garak: he was exiled from Cardassia by his father, Enabrain Tain, and accepted his job and status as a Cardassian citizen again. His entire character arc involves romanticism about Cardassia, and is seen in DS9: “Improbable Cause (at the end) / The Die is Cast” romanticizing with Tain over a glass of kanar and fond memories. Romantic isn’t just between people, it can be about places, times, nostalgia, and anything someone once truly loved.
Xindi Prisoner Archer was totally costumed in ENT (S3: “Strategem”). They built a fake ship, added fake prisoner tattoos, sped up the growth of his hair follicles, and had him wear rags. He was literally pretending to be a fellow prisoner with Degra.
Good posts, BTW.
Edit: changed one instance of “gardening” to “gardener” to correctly reflect the trait in the game. Stupid autocorrect.
I agree with all of those bottom assessments but Admiral Ross. He may have been slightly well known throughout Starfleet and in some of the upper echelons of the enemy camps, but that doesn’t make him a Cultural Figure. A CF would be more like the Pope; someone that has significance, deep significance, for an entire culture of people. While Starfleet is indeed vast, I don’t think they’ve ever viewed any of their officers with religious fervor, well, except maybe Kirk and Picard.
Weirdly enough, I’m also Vulcan Housewife. Also, RNGesus hates me, like really, REALLY hates me.
Botanist - an individual who engages in plant-based sciences and study of plants
Tieran Possessed Kes
I actually think that Kes should get “gardener” rather than “botanist” for reasons mentioned below. She grew food in an “airponics” bay, and then messed with it with her telepathy. Not that I’m knocking gardening—it’s a vital and difficult skill, but 3 years of gardening in a cargo bay? Or I could be totally wrong, I never followed Kes’ story all that much.
Irumadic Syndrome Picard (TNG, “All Good Things”) who oversees a vineyard, which he grew up in one ought to have it too. Instead, he gets “gardener”? Viniculture requires far more skill (especially in France) than “gardening.”
Ro Laren took botanical classes at Starfleet Academy, as mentioned in her conversation with Keiko in TNG “Rascals.”
Shinzon: is identified as Reman, which is how the Remans recognized him and how he self-identifies.
Admiral Ross - Cultural Figure
Ambassador K'Ehleyr - Brutal
Commander T'Pol - High Command
Dr. Gillian Taylor - Physician
Duelist Torres - Athlete
Kazon Seska - Bajoran, Undercover Operative
Mirror Intendant Kira - Cardassian, Klingon
Mirror Regent Worf - Cardassian
Mirror Vic Fontaine - Musician
Obsidian Order Garak - Romantic
Smitten Jean-Luc Picard - Musician
Stranded Odo - Shapeshifter
The Prophet - Terran Rebellion
Xindi Prisoner Archer - Costumed
Disagreements:
Admiral Ross led the Dominion War for the Federation along with the Klingons and Romulans. He would be known throughout the Federation as well as the Klingon and Romulan Empires as such, not to mention the camps of the enemy. Think of the leaders and generals/admirals of the majors wars in history...
Ambassador K’Ehleyr: did you see her in the holodeck?! Not to mention her immediate suggestion to blow up the IKS T’ong rather than attempt another solution? Kinda brutal.
Duelist Torres: Hand to hand fighting is athletic. I taught it in the military, and have taken boxing/martial arts.
Obsidian Order Garak: he was exiled from Cardassia by his father, Enabrain Tain, and accepted his job and status as a Cardassian citizen again. His entire character arc involves romanticism about Cardassia, and is seen in DS9: “Improbable Cause (at the end) / The Die is Cast” romanticizing with Tain over a glass of kanar and fond memories. Romantic isn’t just between people, it can be about places, times, nostalgia, and anything someone once truly loved.
Xindi Prisoner Archer was totally costumed in ENT (S3: “Strategem”). They built a fake ship, added fake prisoner tattoos, sped up the growth of his hair follicles, and had him wear rags. He was literally pretending to be a fellow prisoner with Degra.
Good posts, BTW.
Edit: changed one instance of “gardening” to “gardener” to correctly reflect the trait in the game. Stupid autocorrect.
I agree with all of those bottom assessments but Admiral Ross. He may have been slightly well known throughout Starfleet and in some of the upper echelons of the enemy camps, but that doesn’t make him a Cultural Figure. A CF would be more like the Pope; someone that has significance, deep significance, for an entire culture of people. While Starfleet is indeed vast, I don’t think they’ve ever viewed any of their officers with religious fervor, well, except maybe Kirk and Picard.
Agree someone like the president of the federation would get CF trait almost by default. Which reminds me we need this dude in the game:
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I'm kind of wondering why all paris do not have the "pilot" trait and why some do not have the "nurse" trait... through out the show he was always the pilot of the ship and shuttles/delta flyer and used as the nurse/field medic or whatever when kes or the doc were not around... "combat medic paris" comes to mind specifically for not having any kind of medic trait when its right there in his name !
Also one thing that bugged me was bell riots bashir did not have the "undercover operative" trait when during his game release he was in fact posing as an under cover operative "in game" if not in show which i would say would warrant the trait regardless
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Mirror Regent Worf is also missing the trait Duelist, but I personally don't know enough about the mirror universe to be certain he deserves it.
Sheriff Worf is missing the trait Tactician.
I'm curious if multiple versions of Picard should have the Inspiring trait.
Cardassian Kira and Disguised Kira are missing the Veteran trait.
Pah-wraith Cult Dukat is missing the Brutal trait, and possibly the Desperate trait.
On the first page Villain is listed as a situational trait, but there are some characters (Dukat + Khan) that are pretty much universally villains.
Young Khan should probably have the Resourceful trait. All the other Khans do, but I'm least versed on TOS.
Also, I apparently really like geeking out about all this stuff so I'll probably keep looking for things.
Captain Level: 95
VIP Level: 12
Unique Crew Immortalized: 525
Collections Completed: Vulcan, Ferengi, Borg, Romulan, Cardassian, Uncommon, Rare, Veteran, Common, Engineered, Physician, Innovator, Inspiring, Diplomat, Jury Rigger, Gauntlet Legends
True, but I did leave that trait list with a disclaimer that the catagories were just my opinion. I thought about having Villain be inherit, but I went with situational because of characters like Winn that have both villainous and non-villainous versions.
Good catch on the Kira, Worf, Picard and Dukat versions (although Sheriff Worf does have duelist - Trader Worf does not though). It's like various versions of Jadzia lacking Exobiology...generally characters should have inherit or skill-based traits in all their versions unless there is a compelling reason to exclude it (perhaps Ba'ku lacks Duelist because that huge disruptor prevents him from dueling because his hands are busy? I don't know)
Glad you're geeking out about this, fellow trait nerd.
Along this line of logic I think more versions of Sisko should have the Diplomat skill. 1701 and Niners Sisko are missing it. Although Niners Sisko is probably not the most diplomatic version of him.
Also I think the Chef skill should be a base/inherit skill for all Siskos. (Mirror, Benny, Gabriel Bell, Dr. Hippocrates are excluded because they are technically other people.)
The only version of Bashir that has the Prodigy trait is Racquetball Bashir. I'm skeptical if genetically engineered/augments can count as prodigies. And if they do, I propose all general Bashir's are given the trait.
RAF Bashir is missing the Gambler Trait.
Perhaps Cybernetist should be an in inherit skill for all Bashir characters.
Anyone have an argument for Data being or not being Engineered? I'm for it.
Not having looked at all these suggestions, I homed in on the one I spotted first. I understood a trait as one that a character possesses. If being affiliated was included then Burnham still ought to be termed as Vulcan. By inference Marks Givens would then be described as Augment. As it stands she’s still fully human as far I understood from the episode.
Casual
Captain Morgan Bateson - remove. Dude's on duty.
Hero
Sheriff Worf - add. Frank Hollander is already a Villain.
Geneticist
Vengeful L'Rell - add. Strange for someone who doesn't have MED, I know, but she is one!
Physician
Vengeful L'Rell - add. Strange for someone who doesn't have MED, I know, but she is one!
Religious
Pah-wraith Cult Dukat - add. An evil religion is still a religion!
Romantic
Reinforcements Stamets - add. His partner, Dr. Hugh Culber has the trait.
Survivalist
Away Team Saru - add. Lt Commander and First Officer both have it.
Tactician
Enabran Tain - add. He co-planned the Obsidian Order's joint venture with the Tal Shiar to attack the Founders. Yeah, it was a trap and he was duped, but he still did the legwork.
L'Rell: Not so sure about L'Rell having the Physician trait. Performing medical activities -- even with great skill -- does not necessarily make one a Physician.
Stamets: I think the issue is that they need to add more versions of him to the game. Reinforcements Stamets is on an away mission, if memory serves, and he doesn't show his romantic side during that away mission. We definitely see that he's a romantic at heart in the first episode of Season 2, however. Maybe that version (with the head gear) could be added to the game and given the Romantic trait.
Bateson: He's on duty and in uniform, but he's remarkably casual about having nearly struck a futuristic Starfleet vessel after encountering a temporal anomaly. So, this could be argued either way.
Captain Level: 95
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Apparently it does now ... My Voyage needed the Reman trait for its ship and I had no clue which one had it ... had to google it to find out which it could be (don't know much about Star Trek).
Seeing that the USS Reliant is about to be the featured ship in the Admirals' Arena, I just thought I'd restart this discussion on her attributes. The current set -- Federation, Ruthless, Explorer -- makes no sense as a combination, as I explain above. I'd like to see the Reliant acknowledged as taken over by Khan, so it would be:
Augment, Ruthless, Battlecruiser
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Awesome. It is still missing the Cloaking Device trait.
Emperor Georgiou -- Definitely should be a Cultural Figure. I've posted on this before, I think. Royalty, too. I hadn't caught that before.
Section 31 Georgiou -- I actually don't think she should have the Empress trait. She's not in the universe where she rules anything, and she was effectively deposed. Thus, she's also no longer Royalty or a Cultural Figure.
L'Rell 2* -- I'm unclear at what point in the show she wears the outfit in question. Unless it's the outfit she wears at the very end of Season 1, I agree, she's not a Cultural Figure (yet).
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Concur. Need to add these traits.
Other 'mirror' characters such as Mirror Kirk and Spock have those traits.
Captain of the voyage vessels: Queen of Bashir, Landsknecht, and Sunspear, the first luxury starship cruiseliners.
Amenities include wifi, fully-functioning holodecks, a full-service bar, 3 party decks, a Trill spa, and a business centre.
Fun fact: The ships are propelled by bouncy castle technology.
He, Katrine, Neelix & De Neuf, should have as well since they were the resistance for the town of 'Saint Claire' in the holoprogram in episode "The Killing Game"
While we're at it, maybe see about another collection.
Or they could just make a slightly more generic trait to encompass characters from those episodes as well as any “inspired” by them. Just using Resistance as a trait would likely work in my opinion. That way they could add it to the Americans like GI Chakotay and Combat Medic Paris as well.
I actually think that Kes should get “gardener” rather than “botanist” for reasons mentioned below. She grew food in an “airponics” bay, and then messed with it with her telepathy. Not that I’m knocking gardening—it’s a vital and difficult skill, but 3 years of gardening in a cargo bay? Or I could be totally wrong, I never followed Kes’ story all that much.
Irumadic Syndrome Picard (TNG, “All Good Things”) who oversees a vineyard, which he grew up in one ought to have it too. Instead, he gets “gardener”? Viniculture requires far more skill (especially in France) than “gardening.”
Ro Laren took botanical classes at Starfleet Academy, as mentioned in her conversation with Keiko in TNG “Rascals.”
Shinzon: is identified as Reman, which is how the Remans recognized him and how he self-identifies.
Disagreements:
Admiral Ross led the Dominion War for the Federation along with the Klingons and Romulans. He would be known throughout the Federation as well as the Klingon and Romulan Empires as such, not to mention the camps of the enemy. Think of the leaders and generals/admirals of the majors wars in history...
Ambassador K’Ehleyr: did you see her in the holodeck?! Not to mention her immediate suggestion to blow up the IKS T’ong rather than attempt another solution? Kinda brutal.
Duelist Torres: Hand to hand fighting is athletic. I taught it in the military, and have taken boxing/martial arts.
Obsidian Order Garak: he was exiled from Cardassia by his father, Enabrain Tain, and accepted his job and status as a Cardassian citizen again. His entire character arc involves romanticism about Cardassia, and is seen in DS9: “Improbable Cause (at the end) / The Die is Cast” romanticizing with Tain over a glass of kanar and fond memories. Romantic isn’t just between people, it can be about places, times, nostalgia, and anything someone once truly loved.
Xindi Prisoner Archer was totally costumed in ENT (S3: “Strategem”). They built a fake ship, added fake prisoner tattoos, sped up the growth of his hair follicles, and had him wear rags.
Good posts, BTW.
Edit: changed one instance of “gardening” to “gardener” to correctly reflect the trait in the game. Stupid autocorrect.
I agree with all of those bottom assessments but Admiral Ross. He may have been slightly well known throughout Starfleet and in some of the upper echelons of the enemy camps, but that doesn’t make him a Cultural Figure. A CF would be more like the Pope; someone that has significance, deep significance, for an entire culture of people. While Starfleet is indeed vast, I don’t think they’ve ever viewed any of their officers with religious fervor, well, except maybe Kirk and Picard.
Agree someone like the president of the federation would get CF trait almost by default. Which reminds me we need this dude in the game:
Temporal kess is also telekinetic
And dr noah should be removed from do no harm collection.
Stranded Odo and Trader Odo isn't Changeling he is at that time full human.
So changeling trait out - human trait in.
Bajoran should stay with him because he is still part of Bajoran Security.
Also one thing that bugged me was bell riots bashir did not have the "undercover operative" trait when during his game release he was in fact posing as an under cover operative "in game" if not in show which i would say would warrant the trait regardless