I haven't read up on Roddenberry much. I just enjoy the shows. Please take this as an honest question and not sarcasm, baiting, or hostile.
Are we conflating Roddenberry's vision for humanity with his vision for the show?
DS9 and Andromeda (moreso Andromeda) showed the darker side of humanity more than his other shows. Could the networks have been the mellowing factors that kept the older shows from being as dark as the newer shows?
There also seems to be a push toward "raw and real" (I don't care for this trend) in contemporary media. Is this just an unavoidable move because of the times? I'm afraid this is the case, though again, I'm not happy about it.
I haven't read up on Roddenberry much. I just enjoy the shows. Please take this as an honest question and not sarcasm, baiting, or hostile.
Are we conflating Roddenberry's vision for humanity with his vision for the show?
DS9 and Andromeda (moreso Andromeda) showed the darker side of humanity more than his other shows. Could the networks have been the mellowing factors that kept the older shows from being as dark as the newer shows?
There also seems to be a push toward "raw and real" (I don't care for this trend) in contemporary media. Is this just an unavoidable move because of the times? I'm afraid this is the case, though again, I'm not happy about it.
Andromeda is a great example. Weren't the people who launched the attack on Humanity actually a branch of off-world Humans?
That show definitely was dark, what I have seen of it. The third or so episode had surviving children on an Earth station, that had jump-fighters/bombers and nukes. And weren't shy about using said nukes on alien planets.
Oh, and at the end of the episode, Hercules kept the nukes.........
Why was Vicki not expelled from Greendale after she literally stabbed Pierce in the face with a pencil?!?!?
I haven't read up on Roddenberry much. I just enjoy the shows. Please take this as an honest question and not sarcasm, baiting, or hostile.
Are we conflating Roddenberry's vision for humanity with his vision for the show?
DS9 and Andromeda (moreso Andromeda) showed the darker side of humanity more than his other shows. Could the networks have been the mellowing factors that kept the older shows from being as dark as the newer shows?
There also seems to be a push toward "raw and real" (I don't care for this trend) in contemporary media. Is this just an unavoidable move because of the times? I'm afraid this is the case, though again, I'm not happy about it.
Roddenberry died before Deep Space Nine and Andromeda were made. He had worked on the ideas for these shows but had no control in what they did. You are correct that every series now is going darker as it is the in thing. Netflix did it with Anne of Green Gables and Lost in Space. When all the shows do it it is no longer original just played out and cliche. In Star Trek Picard to me it felt like most of the deaths were over the top and did not serve a purpose except to say “look how dark we can make the show.” I disagree with those that say DS9 was dark though. They were Starfleet trying to explore and work with others and then the war broke out and they were taxed by it but ultimately triumphed and brought peace back to the Alpha Quadrant. I watched less of Andromeda but if I recall although that show’s version of the Federation was gone Kevin Sorbo’s character was determined to bring it back upholding those ideals. I think where showrunner Michael Chabon made a mistake with Star Trek Picard
is that what little he showed of Starfleet and the Federation showed that they had given up their ideals and the universe was devoid of hope. Michael Chabon was shocked when viewers saw the universe he had created that way but that was what he depicted. A universe in which the heroes were all corrupt or broken. Even Admiral Picard had failed to save people and given up which is something so anathema to his Captain Picard character. Admiral Picard did find a way to regain that which he lost and bring hope back but that part felt rushed and not earned. If the universe is darker then more is required to bring it back to the light. I think going forward Star Trek Picard will be more like what we have generally seen in other treks.
Gene Roddenberry has put up a great way of which he wanted the world to look. Sadly enough the world doesn't turn out to be like this. Majel took part in a huge part of series that took place after his death and his son is now part of Star Trek.
I would have loved to see his world coming out the way he wanted, but then again... I am pleased with how things like Star Trek are developing, not always the Roddenberry way, but still great SciFi.
How many Klingon swagger sticks have you siezed in hand to hand combat with a Klingon Warrior?
That was Captain Styles in TSFS, I'm referring to the Lieutenant in Balance of Terror.
But who doesn't love a swagger stick?
But, wasn't he the same Styles,just promoted? That back-story in the novel about him getting the swagger stick was cool. Sad it did not make it into the final script.
The novel of The Voyage Home also contains neat backstory info. {Film novelizations usually come from an earlier version of the script, so the writer has time to write the novel.}
There was mention in the novelization, that the guy at the plastics factory DID create transparent aluminium. {It actually is supposedly still canon to the film, because it remained in the final cut as one of the questions Spock answers during his final testing.}
Why was Vicki not expelled from Greendale after she literally stabbed Pierce in the face with a pencil?!?!?
I go back to Sisko: "It's easy to be a saint in Paradise." He went out into the world and preached. Now it's Saint Jean-Luc's turn. It means something to see him walk among us today in a way that returning him to Paradise wouldn't. As reassuring as Sisko would be, it means something else for it to be Saint Jean-Luc. Throughout the season, he did reach some people. One of them was me.
And as we had it for Discovery Mega Event Info threads back then.....
this turned again into a XY isn t Star Trek convo....🥱😴
Hehe. Star Trek Picard is definitely trek. It has good things and bad things like any show. There was good character development and I think season 2 is going to be awesome. I am happy to have any new trek and not all of them have to be exactly what I want because there are many other people with different tastes and Star Trek works best when each show is different to appeal to a wide audience. If I was too critical of it I apologize. For what it is worth there are many Facebook pages for Picard with people that love the show and feel it is the best ever. They rewatch every episode numerous times and get more and more out of it each time.
I think how the federation/human is dealt with changes from TOS to TNG because of experiences Roddenberry had in the 70s. The characters in TOS were all flawed.
I think how the federation/human is dealt with changes from TOS to TNG because of experiences Roddenberry had in the 70s. The characters in TOS were all flawed.
My understanding is that conventions became a thing, but Shatner and Nimoy didn't do them so he started playing up the ones who would. Walter Koenig's name wasn't in the main titles, wasn't in the first season and only appeared in 36 of the 54 episodes in the two seasons he was. But if you're gonna pack the house on the show circuit, Ensign Chekov needs to be a big damn deal so you shift away from the Kirk & Spock (& McCoy) show to the "ensemble cast" and "family of characters". When the time came to make TNG, he was shrewd enough to plan ahead so it'd be easier to market any of the nine(!) he originally cast. That's been the template, but it started retroactively in the 70's, not the 60's.
To bring us back to the mega-event starting with the event in this thread, I really dig pretty much everyone enough that I'm excited about getting my grubby little paws on 'em! It has also occurred to me that with 1½ skirmishes, there are two opportunities to introduce a 5* La Sirena (surely obligatory) and a 5* Romulan Bird-of-Prey (should have been obligatory already). I don't expect new ships in the hybrid, but I ain't gonna be mad at 'em if they're there.
Smoking some weird vape, getting drunk on what is clearly not synthehol, and ruining a shot at getting to know her son because she’s whacked out on the above two.
Welcome to the dystopian tragedy <snip> ~Shan that is now Star Trek.
Yeah it's definitely not Roddenberry's Star Trek.... don't know if as a kid i would have been attracted to yet another "oh look we are all going to die " show ....
Except for all those "oh look we are all going to die" episodes and movies.
As for Raffi, are people supposed to no longer have troubled personal lives in the 24th century?
Yes, they're all saints, perfect and born that way. It requires no effort, you cannot fail, and as long as you're nice to everyone everyone is going to be nice with you. At least according to the "not Star Trek" crowd.
Except for all those "oh look we are all going to die" episodes and movies.
As for Raffi, are people supposed to no longer have troubled personal lives in the 24th century?
Exactly, I’ve never believed the humans are perfect unless the plot needs them to be stories. It should be a goal they are trying to achieve but never reach.
But that wasn’t Roddenberry’s ST. In HIS vision, humanity HAD achieved that level of evolution. The writers team for TNG was very unhappy about the direction Roddenberry wanted them to go because of the lack of personal strife. Hard to write compelling kumbaya stories.
In Roddenberry's Trek, the Federation people still commit genocides. If you call that an evolution then we've had very evolved people during the last century.
Except for all those "oh look we are all going to die" episodes and movies.
As for Raffi, are people supposed to no longer have troubled personal lives in the 24th century?
Exactly, I’ve never believed the humans are perfect unless the plot needs them to be stories. It should be a goal they are trying to achieve but never reach.
But that wasn’t Roddenberry’s ST. In HIS vision, humanity HAD achieved that level of evolution. The writers team for TNG was very unhappy about the direction Roddenberry wanted them to go because of the lack of personal strife. Hard to write compelling kumbaya stories.
In Roddenberry's Trek, the Federation people still commit genocides. If you call that an evolution then we've had very evolved people during the last c
I haven't read up on Roddenberry much. I just enjoy the shows. Please take this as an honest question and not sarcasm, baiting, or hostile.
Are we conflating Roddenberry's vision for humanity with his vision for the show?
DS9 and Andromeda (moreso Andromeda) showed the darker side of humanity more than his other shows. Could the networks have been the mellowing factors that kept the older shows from being as dark as the newer shows?
There also seems to be a push toward "raw and real" (I don't care for this trend) in contemporary media. Is this just an unavoidable move because of the times? I'm afraid this is the case, though again, I'm not happy about it.
Roddenberry died before Deep Space Nine and Andromeda were made. He had worked on the ideas for these shows but had no control in what they did. You are correct that every series now is going darker as it is the in thing. Netflix did it with Anne of Green Gables and Lost in Space. When all the shows do it it is no longer original just played out and cliche. In Star Trek Picard to me it felt like most of the deaths were over the top and did not serve a purpose except to say “look how dark we can make the show.” I disagree with those that say DS9 was dark though. They were Starfleet trying to explore and work with others and then the war broke out and they were taxed by it but ultimately triumphed and brought peace back to the Alpha Quadrant. I watched less of Andromeda but if I recall although that show’s version of the Federation was gone Kevin Sorbo’s character was determined to bring it back upholding those ideals. I think where showrunner Michael Chabon made a mistake with Star Trek Picard
is that what little he showed of Starfleet and the Federation showed that they had given up their ideals and the universe was devoid of hope. Michael Chabon was shocked when viewers saw the universe he had created that way but that was what he depicted. A universe in which the heroes were all corrupt or broken. Even Admiral Picard had failed to save people and given up which is something so anathema to his Captain Picard character. Admiral Picard did find a way to regain that which he lost and bring hope back but that part felt rushed and not earned. If the universe is darker then more is required to bring it back to the light. I think going forward Star Trek Picard will be more like what we have generally seen in other treks.
The major difference between ST:Picard and 60-80s Trek is that it doesn't ambition to be the opiates of the people anymore, you can't sit on your hands and hope for a bright future, you've got to work for it, it **tsk tsk**, it's frustrating because no one else cares, it's exhausting, people won't thank you for it but if you're a good man then you're still dong it.
Smoking some weird vape, getting drunk on what is clearly not synthehol, and ruining a shot at getting to know her son because she’s whacked out on the above two.
Welcome to the dystopian tragedy <snip> ~Shan that is now Star Trek.
Yeah it's definitely not Roddenberry's Star Trek.... don't know if as a kid i would have been attracted to yet another "oh look we are all going to die " show ....
Except for all those "oh look we are all going to die" episodes and movies.
As for Raffi, are people supposed to no longer have troubled personal lives in the 24th century?
Yes, they're all saints, perfect and born that way. It requires no effort, you cannot fail, and as long as you're nice to everyone everyone is going to be nice with you. At least according to the "not Star Trek" crowd.
Except for all those "oh look we are all going to die" episodes and movies.
As for Raffi, are people supposed to no longer have troubled personal lives in the 24th century?
Exactly, I’ve never believed the humans are perfect unless the plot needs them to be stories. It should be a goal they are trying to achieve but never reach.
But that wasn’t Roddenberry’s ST. In HIS vision, humanity HAD achieved that level of evolution. The writers team for TNG was very unhappy about the direction Roddenberry wanted them to go because of the lack of personal strife. Hard to write compelling kumbaya stories.
In Roddenberry's Trek, the Federation people still commit genocides. If you call that an evolution then we've had very evolved people during the last century.
Except for all those "oh look we are all going to die" episodes and movies.
As for Raffi, are people supposed to no longer have troubled personal lives in the 24th century?
Exactly, I’ve never believed the humans are perfect unless the plot needs them to be stories. It should be a goal they are trying to achieve but never reach.
But that wasn’t Roddenberry’s ST. In HIS vision, humanity HAD achieved that level of evolution. The writers team for TNG was very unhappy about the direction Roddenberry wanted them to go because of the lack of personal strife. Hard to write compelling kumbaya stories.
In Roddenberry's Trek, the Federation people still commit genocides. If you call that an evolution then we've had very evolved people during the last c
I haven't read up on Roddenberry much. I just enjoy the shows. Please take this as an honest question and not sarcasm, baiting, or hostile.
Are we conflating Roddenberry's vision for humanity with his vision for the show?
DS9 and Andromeda (moreso Andromeda) showed the darker side of humanity more than his other shows. Could the networks have been the mellowing factors that kept the older shows from being as dark as the newer shows?
There also seems to be a push toward "raw and real" (I don't care for this trend) in contemporary media. Is this just an unavoidable move because of the times? I'm afraid this is the case, though again, I'm not happy about it.
Roddenberry died before Deep Space Nine and Andromeda were made. He had worked on the ideas for these shows but had no control in what they did. You are correct that every series now is going darker as it is the in thing. Netflix did it with Anne of Green Gables and Lost in Space. When all the shows do it it is no longer original just played out and cliche. In Star Trek Picard to me it felt like most of the deaths were over the top and did not serve a purpose except to say “look how dark we can make the show.” I disagree with those that say DS9 was dark though. They were Starfleet trying to explore and work with others and then the war broke out and they were taxed by it but ultimately triumphed and brought peace back to the Alpha Quadrant. I watched less of Andromeda but if I recall although that show’s version of the Federation was gone Kevin Sorbo’s character was determined to bring it back upholding those ideals. I think where showrunner Michael Chabon made a mistake with Star Trek Picard
is that what little he showed of Starfleet and the Federation showed that they had given up their ideals and the universe was devoid of hope. Michael Chabon was shocked when viewers saw the universe he had created that way but that was what he depicted. A universe in which the heroes were all corrupt or broken. Even Admiral Picard had failed to save people and given up which is something so anathema to his Captain Picard character. Admiral Picard did find a way to regain that which he lost and bring hope back but that part felt rushed and not earned. If the universe is darker then more is required to bring it back to the light. I think going forward Star Trek Picard will be more like what we have generally seen in other treks.
The major difference between ST:Picard and 60-80s Trek is that it doesn't ambition to be the opiates of the people anymore, you can't sit on your hands and hope for a bright future, you've got to work for it, it **tsk tsk**, it's frustrating because no one else cares, it's exhausting, people won't thank you for it but if you're a good man then you're still dong it.
All television is an opiate of the masses. But thanks for helping make the point that the show has been fundamentally changed from what it was. I did get a good laugh from the irony of defending a message about doing the hard work when it comes from people who hijacked some one else's show as a short cut to success instead of making their own. I also got a good giggle out of the narcissism of supporting a fundamental message change if it supports your values. It's an interesting perspective, that people who don't have the same values should accept loosing things that reflect their own values, simply because you don't share them.
However, the message presented by the show, and the one you seem to be getting from it, don't seem to match up. In every single episode Picard tells anyone willing to listen, that the Federation should have done more and given the Romulans more handouts. It is a clear modern liberal comment on developed countries failing in their responsibility to rescue people from refugees to immigrants. That anyone and everyone should have space made for them. That the Federation has a fundamental duty to embrace anyone and every one. The only exception to this is when he rants at them about needing to be more grateful and integrating better.
Contrast that with the exact same situation on DS9. On DS9, the Bajorans were the token refugees. The Federation gave them Sisko to work as an advisor, but thats it. Before they could join the Federation and get more from it, they had to demonstrate their ability to stand on their own. When presented with the option to shorten that time frame, Sisko advised against it and the Bajoran government agreed. The prime directive was created specifically to do the same. To ensure new species had developed what the Federation had to offer before they could exchange notes on it. Voyager repeatedly refused to offer those handouts even when it could have shortened the trip home. Picard denied help on several occasions in TNG because of the prime directive. Offering nothing more than supportive advise and mediation at best. On Enterprise the Vulcans absolutely refused to give handouts and even held back human growth to make sure they were better prepared when they went out.
If you like Picard that's fine. I watched it so I could have an informed opinion. Putting aside my bias for earlier shows. The new shows are a mess when it comes to writing. The plots are illogical and driven by the often inconsistent social messages. They try to hard to say too much and end up doing too little. And, without spoiling it, the end of the show jumped the shark. There is absolutely no way that a character with such horrible and specific PTSD would handle how the finale resolved.
It's not just the tone, it's the absolutely horrible writing I don't like. But in all fairness I feel the same way about a lot of the shows people have convinced me to watch. I have accepted that real Trek is dead (unless CBS wakes up and licenses it to Seth McFarland). So if you love it, enjoy it. The characters from those series mean nothing to me beyond their ability to help me farm the game. And that should be enough for everyone.
Back on topic, who do y’all think will have better ship abilities for Week 2, Elnor or Soji? I do not have CBS All Access, so I know nothing about the new characters in STP. 🖖
"In the short run, the game defines the players. But in the long run, it's us players who define the game." — Nicky Case, The Evolution of Trust
Back on topic, who do y’all think will have better ship abilities for Week 2, Elnor or Soji? I do not have CBS All Access, so I know nothing about the new characters in STP. 🖖
Neither did anything noteworthy for a ship ability. It'll be a completely random based on whatever ship ability TP hit on the dart board.
Just stack your other 3 slots with strong crew and don't worry about the ship ability of the bonus crew.
Back on topic, who do y’all think will have better ship abilities for Week 2, Elnor or Soji? I do not have CBS All Access, so I know nothing about the new characters in STP. 🖖
Neither did anything noteworthy for a ship ability. It'll be a completely random based on whatever ship ability TP hit on the dart board.
Just stack your other 3 slots with strong crew and don't worry about the ship ability of the bonus crew.
Or see who the Existing four 🌟 is.......
Might be a good one.
But, Derka Derka with three Sledgehammer Crew is plenty for a Skirmish.
Why was Vicki not expelled from Greendale after she literally stabbed Pierce in the face with a pencil?!?!?
Back on topic, who do y’all think will have better ship abilities for Week 2, Elnor or Soji? I do not have CBS All Access, so I know nothing about the new characters in STP. 🖖
It’s a crapshoot, Ardra some how is great in Arena.
Back on topic, who do y’all think will have better ship abilities for Week 2, Elnor or Soji? I do not have CBS All Access, so I know nothing about the new characters in STP. 🖖
I would say Elnor over Soji because everyone can get Soji so if Elnor is better people will have to buy packs.
Back on topic, who do y’all think will have better ship abilities for Week 2, Elnor or Soji? I do not have CBS All Access, so I know nothing about the new characters in STP. 🖖
I'd expect Elnor, with something like "Choose to Live" being a 400% insta-damage.
I go back to Sisko: "It's easy to be a saint in Paradise." He went out into the world and preached. Now it's Saint Jean-Luc's turn. It means something to see him walk among us today in a way that returning him to Paradise wouldn't. As reassuring as Sisko would be, it means something else for it to be Saint Jean-Luc. Throughout the season, he did reach some people. One of them was me.
Back on topic, who do y’all think will have better ship abilities for Week 2, Elnor or Soji? I do not have CBS All Access, so I know nothing about the new characters in STP. 🖖
Hey you can watch CBS All Access now in the U.S. for 1 month for free. Sir Pat made that announcement earlier this week I think. Good time to check up on Picard and Discovery.
Maintain social distance binge-watching Star Trek while celebrating First Contact Day!
Back on topic, who do y’all think will have better ship abilities for Week 2, Elnor or Soji? I do not have CBS All Access, so I know nothing about the new characters in STP. 🖖
Hey you can watch CBS All Access now in the U.S. for 1 month for free. Sir Pat made that announcement earlier this week I think. Good time to check up on Picard and Discovery.
Maintain social distance binge-watching Star Trek while celebrating First Contact Day!
Back on topic, who do y’all think will have better ship abilities for Week 2, Elnor or Soji? I do not have CBS All Access, so I know nothing about the new characters in STP. 🖖
Hey you can watch CBS All Access now in the U.S. for 1 month for free. Sir Pat made that announcement earlier this week I think. Good time to check up on Picard and Discovery.
Maintain social distance binge-watching Star Trek while celebrating First Contact Day!
Back on topic, who do y’all think will have better ship abilities for Week 2, Elnor or Soji? I do not have CBS All Access, so I know nothing about the new characters in STP. 🖖
Hey you can watch CBS All Access now in the U.S. for 1 month for free. Sir Pat made that announcement earlier this week I think. Good time to check up on Picard and Discovery.
Maintain social distance binge-watching Star Trek while celebrating First Contact Day!
Back on topic, who do y’all think will have better ship abilities for Week 2, Elnor or Soji? I do not have CBS All Access, so I know nothing about the new characters in STP. 🖖
Hey you can watch CBS All Access now in the U.S. for 1 month for free. Sir Pat made that announcement earlier this week I think. Good time to check up on Picard and Discovery.
Maintain social distance binge-watching Star Trek while celebrating First Contact Day!
Back on topic, who do y’all think will have better ship abilities for Week 2, Elnor or Soji? I do not have CBS All Access, so I know nothing about the new characters in STP. 🖖
Hey you can watch CBS All Access now in the U.S. for 1 month for free. Sir Pat made that announcement earlier this week I think. Good time to check up on Picard and Discovery.
Maintain social distance binge-watching Star Trek while celebrating First Contact Day!
Back on topic, who do y’all think will have better ship abilities for Week 2, Elnor or Soji? I do not have CBS All Access, so I know nothing about the new characters in STP. 🖖
Hey you can watch CBS All Access now in the U.S. for 1 month for free. Sir Pat made that announcement earlier this week I think. Good time to check up on Picard and Discovery.
Maintain social distance binge-watching Star Trek while celebrating First Contact Day!
Back on topic, who do y’all think will have better ship abilities for Week 2, Elnor or Soji? I do not have CBS All Access, so I know nothing about the new characters in STP. 🖖
Hey you can watch CBS All Access now in the U.S. for 1 month for free. Sir Pat made that announcement earlier this week I think. Good time to check up on Picard and Discovery.
Maintain social distance binge-watching Star Trek while celebrating First Contact Day!
Back on topic, who do y’all think will have better ship abilities for Week 2, Elnor or Soji? I do not have CBS All Access, so I know nothing about the new characters in STP. 🖖
Hey you can watch CBS All Access now in the U.S. for 1 month for free. Sir Pat made that announcement earlier this week I think. Good time to check up on Picard and Discovery.
Maintain social distance binge-watching Star Trek while celebrating First Contact Day!
Check out the short treks too, they are great.
Short Treks are coming to DVD/Blu-Ray in June. Not sure if it is all of them to date or not. But looks like it might be.
Why was Vicki not expelled from Greendale after she literally stabbed Pierce in the face with a pencil?!?!?
Maybe TP will rebalance the Prakesh with boarding damage at a reasonable time, like 2s and give Elnor or Soji boarding damage to shake up the arena just a little bit.
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How many Klingon swagger sticks have you siezed in hand to hand combat with a Klingon Warrior?
Are we conflating Roddenberry's vision for humanity with his vision for the show?
DS9 and Andromeda (moreso Andromeda) showed the darker side of humanity more than his other shows. Could the networks have been the mellowing factors that kept the older shows from being as dark as the newer shows?
There also seems to be a push toward "raw and real" (I don't care for this trend) in contemporary media. Is this just an unavoidable move because of the times? I'm afraid this is the case, though again, I'm not happy about it.
Andromeda is a great example. Weren't the people who launched the attack on Humanity actually a branch of off-world Humans?
That show definitely was dark, what I have seen of it. The third or so episode had surviving children on an Earth station, that had jump-fighters/bombers and nukes. And weren't shy about using said nukes on alien planets.
Oh, and at the end of the episode, Hercules kept the nukes.........
Roddenberry died before Deep Space Nine and Andromeda were made. He had worked on the ideas for these shows but had no control in what they did. You are correct that every series now is going darker as it is the in thing. Netflix did it with Anne of Green Gables and Lost in Space. When all the shows do it it is no longer original just played out and cliche. In Star Trek Picard to me it felt like most of the deaths were over the top and did not serve a purpose except to say “look how dark we can make the show.” I disagree with those that say DS9 was dark though. They were Starfleet trying to explore and work with others and then the war broke out and they were taxed by it but ultimately triumphed and brought peace back to the Alpha Quadrant. I watched less of Andromeda but if I recall although that show’s version of the Federation was gone Kevin Sorbo’s character was determined to bring it back upholding those ideals. I think where showrunner Michael Chabon made a mistake with Star Trek Picard
I would have loved to see his world coming out the way he wanted, but then again... I am pleased with how things like Star Trek are developing, not always the Roddenberry way, but still great SciFi.
That was Captain Styles in TSFS, I'm referring to the Lieutenant in Balance of Terror.
But who doesn't love a swagger stick?
But, wasn't he the same Styles,just promoted? That back-story in the novel about him getting the swagger stick was cool. Sad it did not make it into the final script.
The novel of The Voyage Home also contains neat backstory info. {Film novelizations usually come from an earlier version of the script, so the writer has time to write the novel.}
There was mention in the novelization, that the guy at the plastics factory DID create transparent aluminium. {It actually is supposedly still canon to the film, because it remained in the final cut as one of the questions Spock answers during his final testing.}
And hear I figured the new Picard series would be dark.
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this turned again into a XY isn t Star Trek convo....🥱😴
You're right. I took the bait this time. I have brought shame upon my family.
Hehe. Star Trek Picard is definitely trek. It has good things and bad things like any show. There was good character development and I think season 2 is going to be awesome. I am happy to have any new trek and not all of them have to be exactly what I want because there are many other people with different tastes and Star Trek works best when each show is different to appeal to a wide audience. If I was too critical of it I apologize. For what it is worth there are many Facebook pages for Picard with people that love the show and feel it is the best ever. They rewatch every episode numerous times and get more and more out of it each time.
My understanding is that conventions became a thing, but Shatner and Nimoy didn't do them so he started playing up the ones who would. Walter Koenig's name wasn't in the main titles, wasn't in the first season and only appeared in 36 of the 54 episodes in the two seasons he was. But if you're gonna pack the house on the show circuit, Ensign Chekov needs to be a big damn deal so you shift away from the Kirk & Spock (& McCoy) show to the "ensemble cast" and "family of characters". When the time came to make TNG, he was shrewd enough to plan ahead so it'd be easier to market any of the nine(!) he originally cast. That's been the template, but it started retroactively in the 70's, not the 60's.
To bring us back to the mega-event starting with the event in this thread, I really dig pretty much everyone enough that I'm excited about getting my grubby little paws on 'em! It has also occurred to me that with 1½ skirmishes, there are two opportunities to introduce a 5* La Sirena (surely obligatory) and a 5* Romulan Bird-of-Prey (should have been obligatory already). I don't expect new ships in the hybrid, but I ain't gonna be mad at 'em if they're there.
Yes, they're all saints, perfect and born that way. It requires no effort, you cannot fail, and as long as you're nice to everyone everyone is going to be nice with you. At least according to the "not Star Trek" crowd.
In Roddenberry's Trek, the Federation people still commit genocides. If you call that an evolution then we've had very evolved people during the last century.
In Roddenberry's Trek, the Federation people still commit genocides. If you call that an evolution then we've had very evolved people during the last c
The major difference between ST:Picard and 60-80s Trek is that it doesn't ambition to be the opiates of the people anymore, you can't sit on your hands and hope for a bright future, you've got to work for it, it **tsk tsk**, it's frustrating because no one else cares, it's exhausting, people won't thank you for it but if you're a good man then you're still dong it.
All television is an opiate of the masses. But thanks for helping make the point that the show has been fundamentally changed from what it was. I did get a good laugh from the irony of defending a message about doing the hard work when it comes from people who hijacked some one else's show as a short cut to success instead of making their own. I also got a good giggle out of the narcissism of supporting a fundamental message change if it supports your values. It's an interesting perspective, that people who don't have the same values should accept loosing things that reflect their own values, simply because you don't share them.
However, the message presented by the show, and the one you seem to be getting from it, don't seem to match up. In every single episode Picard tells anyone willing to listen, that the Federation should have done more and given the Romulans more handouts. It is a clear modern liberal comment on developed countries failing in their responsibility to rescue people from refugees to immigrants. That anyone and everyone should have space made for them. That the Federation has a fundamental duty to embrace anyone and every one. The only exception to this is when he rants at them about needing to be more grateful and integrating better.
Contrast that with the exact same situation on DS9. On DS9, the Bajorans were the token refugees. The Federation gave them Sisko to work as an advisor, but thats it. Before they could join the Federation and get more from it, they had to demonstrate their ability to stand on their own. When presented with the option to shorten that time frame, Sisko advised against it and the Bajoran government agreed. The prime directive was created specifically to do the same. To ensure new species had developed what the Federation had to offer before they could exchange notes on it. Voyager repeatedly refused to offer those handouts even when it could have shortened the trip home. Picard denied help on several occasions in TNG because of the prime directive. Offering nothing more than supportive advise and mediation at best. On Enterprise the Vulcans absolutely refused to give handouts and even held back human growth to make sure they were better prepared when they went out.
If you like Picard that's fine. I watched it so I could have an informed opinion. Putting aside my bias for earlier shows. The new shows are a mess when it comes to writing. The plots are illogical and driven by the often inconsistent social messages. They try to hard to say too much and end up doing too little. And, without spoiling it, the end of the show jumped the shark. There is absolutely no way that a character with such horrible and specific PTSD would handle how the finale resolved.
It's not just the tone, it's the absolutely horrible writing I don't like. But in all fairness I feel the same way about a lot of the shows people have convinced me to watch. I have accepted that real Trek is dead (unless CBS wakes up and licenses it to Seth McFarland). So if you love it, enjoy it. The characters from those series mean nothing to me beyond their ability to help me farm the game. And that should be enough for everyone.
Neither did anything noteworthy for a ship ability. It'll be a completely random based on whatever ship ability TP hit on the dart board.
Just stack your other 3 slots with strong crew and don't worry about the ship ability of the bonus crew.
Or see who the Existing four 🌟 is.......
Might be a good one.
But, Derka Derka with three Sledgehammer Crew is plenty for a Skirmish.
It’s a crapshoot, Ardra some how is great in Arena.
I would say Elnor over Soji because everyone can get Soji so if Elnor is better people will have to buy packs.
I'd expect Elnor, with something like "Choose to Live" being a 400% insta-damage.
Just watched that Ds9 episode today!
Hey you can watch CBS All Access now in the U.S. for 1 month for free. Sir Pat made that announcement earlier this week I think. Good time to check up on Picard and Discovery.
Maintain social distance binge-watching Star Trek while celebrating First Contact Day!
Check out the short treks too, they are great.
Short Treks are coming to DVD/Blu-Ray in June. Not sure if it is all of them to date or not. But looks like it might be.
I’d love a Juliana Tainer... since I asked for Stranded Quark last week and got him, so why not ask?