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  • IceCat wrote: »
    IceCat wrote: »
    Wow. Nice job taking down the complaint posts on FB. What a joke.

    If it was them taking them down, wouldn't they remove all the negative posts here too?

    Facebook is much more visible than this.

    If you're trying to silence dissent, you don't let some speak and censor others.

    If you dont think they are looking at this from a risk\loss vantage than you havnt been paying attention. Ive been playing this game for over a year and only because of this situation did I find the forum. Facebook is the natural place for people to find information and to discuss this game. Anyone here has already likely been playing for a fairly long time and will make whatever future choices about the game based on their own experiences, but new players will likely find the FB posts and it might turn them away.
  • IceCatIceCat ✭✭✭✭✭
    IceCat wrote: »
    IceCat wrote: »
    Wow. Nice job taking down the complaint posts on FB. What a joke.

    If it was them taking them down, wouldn't they remove all the negative posts here too?

    Facebook is much more visible than this.

    If you're trying to silence dissent, you don't let some speak and censor others.

    If you dont think they are looking at this from a risk\loss vantage than you havnt been paying attention. Ive been playing this game for over a year and only because of this situation did I find the forum. Facebook is the natural place for people to find information and to discuss this game. Anyone here has already likely been playing for a fairly long time and will make whatever future choices about the game based on their own experiences, but new players will likely find the FB posts and it might turn them away.

    Immediately dismissing my logic by saying I must not have been paying attention is a weak argument. Yes, Facebook is a place to discuss the game and get information. But it's far from the only one.

    Just because you only recently found the forums, doesn't mean other players haven't. Your later arrival here also doesn't mean there are alternatives to FB. There are also many other resources for game information and discussion, such as Reddit, Discord, Twitter, etc.

    TP has absolute control over these forums, yet generally don't censor anything, unless it's grievously over the line. If they were going to censor Facebook, it is only logical there'd be a lot more being removed from here.

    All you have to do is look at some of the absolutely over the top rantings and ravings of some that ere borderly libelous, let alone in poor taste. Still there.

    Chances are, if it's anything like most Facebook discourse, things were removed by FB themselves. Not everything is a conspiracy.

    Believe what you want. But sometimes, especially in heated situations like this, the Vulcans were right to go with logic over emotion.
  • IceCat wrote: »
    IceCat wrote: »
    IceCat wrote: »
    Wow. Nice job taking down the complaint posts on FB. What a joke.

    If it was them taking them down, wouldn't they remove all the negative posts here too?

    Facebook is much more visible than this.

    If you're trying to silence dissent, you don't let some speak and censor others.

    If you dont think they are looking at this from a risk\loss vantage than you havnt been paying attention. Ive been playing this game for over a year and only because of this situation did I find the forum. Facebook is the natural place for people to find information and to discuss this game. Anyone here has already likely been playing for a fairly long time and will make whatever future choices about the game based on their own experiences, but new players will likely find the FB posts and it might turn them away.

    Immediately dismissing my logic by saying I must not have been paying attention is a weak argument. Yes, Facebook is a place to discuss the game and get information. But it's far from the only one.

    Just because you only recently found the forums, doesn't mean other players haven't. Your later arrival here also doesn't mean there are alternatives to FB. There are also many other resources for game information and discussion, such as Reddit, Discord, Twitter, etc.

    TP has absolute control over these forums, yet generally don't censor anything, unless it's grievously over the line. If they were going to censor Facebook, it is only logical there'd be a lot more being removed from here.

    All you have to do is look at some of the absolutely over the top rantings and ravings of some that ere borderly libelous, let alone in poor taste. Still there.

    Chances are, if it's anything like most Facebook discourse, things were removed by FB themselves. Not everything is a conspiracy.

    Believe what you want. But sometimes, especially in heated situations like this, the Vulcans were right to go with logic over emotion.

    The moderator literally said "We are removing these posts because there are a lot of them". Not some of them. All of them. Why remove all of them unless you are trying to change the narrative? Other groups\organizations ive been a part of might try and keep the conversation to a single thread, but thats not what they are trying to do here.
  • robownagerobownage ✭✭✭✭✭
    FWIW, a quick check of the FB page and I saw there were still quite a few posts mentioning the bans, so they didn't get rid of all of them.
  • ShadowPresenceShadowPresence ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2021
    With all the cancel culture going on, it wouldn't surprise me if Facebook had something to do with removing a large swath of negative posts. As for TP, most of their in game messages invite you to discuss your thoughts on their forums. I would tend to believe this is the area they're focusing their attention. Not saying they don't check out those other areas, but this seems to be their go to for discussions.
  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    DCPilot wrote: »
    As I said in my original post, they didn't ban me, but they may as well have. I remain demoralized. The constellation pack bug was yet another example of a familiar rollercoaster theme. I haven't been around for all of them, but in the 2+ years I've been playing I've seen several.

    It starts with a WRG mistake like the last minute Adira art change. Then WRG doubles down and tells us either it's our fault, or there's not a problem at all. With Adira we were told they're still a good card, so we should just be happy with that. With the pack bug WRG blamed the players and banned them. Only after the community got its pitchforks out did WRG apologize and offer a proper fix for Adira. They still haven't apologized for the pack bug bans.

    Parsing the communication in question, they're telling us that A ) they don't think there's anything wrong with banning players for WRG's mistakes (rather, the issue was that the ban's duration was "excessive"), and B ) the bans were a _favor_ to the banned.

    > "All things considered we’ve determined that a 72 hours ban was excessive and we are in the process of lifting it."

    > "The pack pulls yesterday put some concerning strain on some of our newer features, tools, and processes. As a result many players who were banned would have come back to find their accounts in states that seemed broken, especially in relation to the Crew Retrieval system. To that end we have taken the last day to stabilize these accounts..."

    > "We hear your concerns and remain committed to eliminate/minimize the occurrence of issues and improve our processes/technology."

    Nothing in that communication remotely resembles an apology. I'm finished paying to have a premium rollercoaster ride. WRG has shown who they are enough times that I'm finally listening to their actions rather than their words. My wallet is closed.

    They couldn't make it a week, before the next mess up.

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  • The moderator literally said "We are removing these posts because there are a lot of them". Not some of them. All of them. Why remove all of them unless you are trying to change the narrative? Other groups\organizations ive been a part of might try and keep the conversation to a single thread, but thats not what they are trying to do here.

    You do realize that was the fan hosted page, not the official page, right?
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  • IceCatIceCat ✭✭✭✭✭
    The moderator literally said "We are removing these posts because there are a lot of them". Not some of them. All of them. Why remove all of them unless you are trying to change the narrative? Other groups\organizations ive been a part of might try and keep the conversation to a single thread, but thats not what they are trying to do here.

    You do realize that was the fan hosted page, not the official page, right?

    Are you serious? So whoever guest123 is, they went off on TP, for something that wasn't even TP??

    Then doubled down with their response to me?

    Ugh 🙄🤦‍♂️
  • There's plenty of things to blame TP for without having to invent more.

    "Just the facts, ma'am." ~ Joe Friday
  • I would like to take the time to thank TP and Company. With the rude messages that were sent, Google just about reimbursed and gave Google credit for just about all the money I put in to this game. With the money that I received Google Credit, I purchased all the Star Trek movies and the entire 007 collection. I was going to stop playing altogether and still may. However after being called a cheater by some certain members of the staff, no more $$ for you. But thanks for all the free play and goodies I did get to keep!
  • IceCatIceCat ✭✭✭✭✭
    There's plenty of things to blame TP for without having to invent more.

    "Just the facts, ma'am." ~ Joe Friday

    I don't disagree they've done more than their fair share they should be criticised for. So why do people feel the need to invent stuff then?
  • IceCatIceCat ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would like to take the time to thank TP and Company. With the rude messages that were sent, Google just about reimbursed and gave Google credit for just about all the money I put in to this game. With the money that I received Google Credit, I purchased all the Star Trek movies and the entire 007 collection. I was going to stop playing altogether and still may. However after being called a cheater by some certain members of the staff, no more $$ for you. But thanks for all the free play and goodies I did get to keep!

    I would say maybe not keep posting about that. Especially not in any threads about this specific subject......


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    They post things like that, and then will complain when this happens... 🙄

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  • You cant host a group that large and involved with the community without the blessing of TP.

    If you think the FB group doesnt have some sort of communication line to TP ive got an ocean view timeshare you might be interested in also. TP owns the IP for Timelines and I absolutely guarantee you that they at least communicate with the admins of that group if they are not themselves employees of the company.

    This is pretty far down the conspiracy rabbit hole, but the fact is that TP could have that group shuttered in 15 minutes if they wanted to and they funnel their customers to it. So its not crazy to think that they have some control of what happens there.
  • IceCatIceCat ✭✭✭✭✭
    You cant host a group that large and involved with the community without the blessing of TP.

    If you think the FB group doesnt have some sort of communication line to TP ive got an ocean view timeshare you might be interested in also. TP owns the IP for Timelines and I absolutely guarantee you that they at least communicate with the admins of that group if they are not themselves employees of the company.

    This is pretty far down the conspiracy rabbit hole, but the fact is that TP could have that group shuttered in 15 minutes if they wanted to and they funnel their customers to it. So its not crazy to think that they have some control of what happens there.

    Yeah, that's not how that works. At all. There are tons of unofficial groups/pages on all social media, that don't have the official blessing of their respective IP holders.

    Since you're claiming they are directed linked to TP, please show me some proof of this. Otherwise, you're posting speculation and conjecture with no evidence.
    You cant host a group that large and involved with the community without the blessing of TP.

    If you think the FB group doesnt have some sort of communication line to TP ive got an ocean view timeshare you might be interested in also. TP owns the IP for Timelines and I absolutely guarantee you that they at least communicate with the admins of that group if they are not themselves employees of the company.

    This is pretty far down the conspiracy rabbit hole, but the fact is that TP could have that group shuttered in 15 minutes if they wanted to and they funnel their customers to it. So its not crazy to think that they have some control of what happens there.

    You are way, way down that conspiracy rabbit hole sir. Try climbing your way back out, there's light at the top.

    Agreed. I feel like this is applicable to this situation.

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  • Frank?Frank? ✭✭✭✭✭
    They are 'linked' to TP/WRG/DB as in more than one employee belongs to said group, and the former division head did a big reveal/AMA thing a year ago or something, admitting that they lurk in all the communities and look for people to report bugs and exploits so they can quickly fix them. They may not be the admins of the group proper, but they are there and watching.
  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    Frank? wrote: »
    They are 'linked' to TP/WRG/DB as in more than one employee belongs to said group, and the former division head did a big reveal/AMA thing a year ago or something, admitting that they lurk in all the communities and look for people to report bugs and exploits so they can quickly fix them. They may not be the admins of the group proper, but they are there and watching.

    Watching and controlling would be two different things, though. WRG/TP/DB is not Diznee, shutting down daycares because someone painted a Mickey on the wall.....


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