People been pretty much clamoring for Leo, and here he is!!!!!
Now, if he can just be Med/Sci/Eng.
Everyone will be 100% happy.
I don't really get the clamour for sci-eng-med. We don't have much eng-med in the game, i'd like to see more of that first. Sci-med and sci-eng are not underrepresented, eng-med is.
Anyway, if he's to get 3 skills, I think they should be eng-sci-dip. He was also a great writer and orator, as well as a renowned humanist. He was much admired in political circles, particularly by the king of France. And it would ignore his role as an advisor to Captain Janeway, in the context of Star Trek
I totally agree. I don’t see the big deal why someone HAS to have that combo. The tertiary skill would be so small anyway. It wouldn’t even make a difference in the grand scheme of things
Depends on your crew. Even with a 2x bonus, most 2* and less won't make it onto my shuttles. Even 3* need to be stronger to be included. So I'm not bothering with a 1* chapel. But if your MED is weaker then maybe she's worth it. Compare her MED * 2 to your MED crew and see where she ranks.
Ensign Chapel has 214 base MED before Starbase bonus. So that's 428 with event bonus, plus any boost will be doubled. If you have really weak MED crew she might make the cut with a 4* or better boost.
Ensign Chapel has 214 base MED before Starbase bonus. So that's 428 with event bonus, plus any boost will be doubled. If you have really weak MED crew she might make the cut with a 4* or better boost.
Thanks - didn’t know it was double. What do the high bonus crew get then? 4x?
That would place her 2nd in med on my crew (yep I do have a weakness in med) - might just be worth it as there’s a good chance of med running twice across all the shuttles
Back when they used numbers, it was 3x for featured crew, 2x for bonus crew. Someone posted recently that they checked the math and it still seems those are correct.
I just hope that this amazing character doesn't turn out to be another generic ENG/SCI crew. Leonardo was a genius and his stature in STT must absolutely reflect that.
That true though? Remember that this is a holographic representation of Leo, not the real thing. Can that be as "genius" as if the real Leonardo were actually time shifted forward? And how good an engineer can he be when he's limited to knowledge that's centuries old? Give him a couple of years in Starfleet academy and sure he'd be up to snuff, but the guy currently knows how to build hang gliders out of wood.
Absolutely true, let's make him a 1* - we need more of them to immortalize easily :P
But on a more serious note, my prediction is that he will either be ENG/SCI/DIP (ergo, anti-Jadzia) or ENG/SCI/SEC. He did adapt relatively quickly to the new technology (while wearing the mobile emiter in Concerning Flight), made a great map of the city, compound, landscape, fought and shot a phaser and so on... Both would make sense.
Sadly, I do not see how some MED could be added in for good measure.
Because he was the first true Renaissance Man? Among the things he did, he was very medically knowledgeable for the times.
Back when they used numbers, it was 3x for featured crew, 2x for bonus crew. Someone posted recently that they checked the math and it still seems those are correct.
Correct, the forumula for an AND is:
(Highest stat + 0.25* Lower stat + Boost Bonus) * Crew Multiple (2x or 3x)
so Kathryn Janeway (**) in a CMD AND SCI shuttle would be worth:
(331+.25*271 + 250) * 2 = 1298 points
same as a non event crew with a CMD stat of 1048:
(1048+250) = 1298
or ensign chapel in a boosted med node is worth:
(214+250)*2 = 928
same as a non boosted event crew with 678 med:
(678+250) = 928
They key is to put event crew into boosted nodes so that they get the double on the boost as well.
Cases can be made for Leonardo having any combination of ENG, SCI, MED, & DIP...even SEC. Maybe even COM (he supervises Janeway when she's acting out her role as apprentice in the program, and he pilots and operates his own craft)
As much as I want to see ENG/SCI/MED, the voyager hologram version of Leonardo will probably be ENG/SCI/DIP or even just ENG/DIP.
Clue: The Mobile Emitter, if DB goes canon and makes it an assigned item, adds to DIP proficiency.
Potential Triats for Leonardo: Hologram, Human, Innovator, Cultural Figure, Artist, Writer, Communicator, Diplomat, Botanist, Pilot, Musician, Geologist, Tactician, Spiritual
Cases can be made for Leonardo having any combination of ENG, SCI, MED, & DIP...even SEC. Maybe even COM (he supervises Janeway when she's acting out her role as apprentice in the program, and he pilots and operates his own craft)
As much as I want to see ENG/SCI/MED, the voyager hologram version of Leonardo will probably be ENG/SCI/DIP or even just ENG/DIP.
Clue: The Mobile Emitter, if DB goes canon and makes it an assigned item, adds to DIP proficiency.
Potential Triats for Leonardo: Hologram, Human, Innovator, Cultural Figure, Artist, Writer, Communicator, Diplomat, Botanist, Pilot, Musician, Geologist, Tactician, Spiritual
There's no way it's acceptable for Leo not to have SCI. If the ultimate Renaissance guy is only given 2 skills, that's a mark missed.
I really think the hologram version (who is Janeway's moral support in a few episodes) is more MED than DIP, in addition to his medical knowledge. But I think either ENG/SCI/MED, ENG/SCI/DIP or ENG/SCI/SEC would do him justice. ENG + SCI are definitely the first 2, in that order.
Agreed for Leonardo. Composition looks good but details are the new low-res-splotchy style. Chapel's face looks great but the rest of her not so much. Look at the difference in quality of art on Seven of Nine, from when DB did shading vs now where it's all hard lines.
Look at Seven's fingers and hair, then Chapel's fingers and hair. The difference in depth, details and coloration.
Agreed for Leonardo. Composition looks good but details are the new low-res-splotchy style. Chapel's face looks great but the rest of her not so much. Look at the difference in quality of art on Seven of Nine, from when DB did shading vs now where it's all hard lines.
Look at Seven's fingers and hair, then Chapel's fingers and hair. The difference in depth, details and coloration.
I completely agree, and I'm just as disappointed in the quick-and-dirty artwork that the newer crew seem to be getting. But I expect that this is our lot from now on, considering the recent layoffs and no doubt continued cost-cutting at the company, as it's surely less man-hours spent to do it this way than to have an artist take the time to do really stellar and detailed work.
Sadly, I don't know that a lot of other players notice these differences. To me, however, it means slightly diminished enjoyment from the game, since the heart of STT is collecting cards of characters that we enjoy, and there is unfortunately not as much for me to enjoy with this less-detailed style of artwork.
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Janeway has some of the most 5* variants for a character and if DB put in a Janeway pack I am sure people would go nuts on it.
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I totally agree. I don’t see the big deal why someone HAS to have that combo. The tertiary skill would be so small anyway. It wouldn’t even make a difference in the grand scheme of things
Reckon it’s worth levelling up 1* ensign chapel? She should be easy enough and not much else if med comes up
And lol /w Pebble. Your fun.
Thanks - didn’t know it was double. What do the high bonus crew get then? 4x?
That would place her 2nd in med on my crew (yep I do have a weakness in med) - might just be worth it as there’s a good chance of med running twice across all the shuttles
Because he was the first true Renaissance Man? Among the things he did, he was very medically knowledgeable for the times.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_da_Vinci
https://www.biography.com/people/leonardo-da-vinci-40396
http://www.history.com/topics/leonardo-da-vinci
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/leonardo-da-vinci/10202124/Leonardo-da-Vinci-Anatomy-of-an-artist.html
https://leonartodavinci.weebly.com/medical-impact.html
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Leonardo-da-Vinci/Anatomical-studies-and-drawings
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So, no Leo Stats until tomorrow East Coast Time?
The same as every event ever.
Which is how I mapped it out. {The Exception being last week, when stuff was a day early.}
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Correct, the forumula for an AND is:
(Highest stat + 0.25* Lower stat + Boost Bonus) * Crew Multiple (2x or 3x)
so Kathryn Janeway (**) in a CMD AND SCI shuttle would be worth:
(331+.25*271 + 250) * 2 = 1298 points
same as a non event crew with a CMD stat of 1048:
(1048+250) = 1298
or ensign chapel in a boosted med node is worth:
(214+250)*2 = 928
same as a non boosted event crew with 678 med:
(678+250) = 928
They key is to put event crew into boosted nodes so that they get the double on the boost as well.
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Never saw that episode, had no idea. That would actually be awesome and hilarious if they decided to make it Flint instead of the hologram.
As much as I want to see ENG/SCI/MED, the voyager hologram version of Leonardo will probably be ENG/SCI/DIP or even just ENG/DIP.
Clue: The Mobile Emitter, if DB goes canon and makes it an assigned item, adds to DIP proficiency.
Potential Triats for Leonardo: Hologram, Human, Innovator, Cultural Figure, Artist, Writer, Communicator, Diplomat, Botanist, Pilot, Musician, Geologist, Tactician, Spiritual
Looks good
There's no way it's acceptable for Leo not to have SCI.
I really think the hologram version (who is Janeway's moral support in a few episodes) is more MED than DIP, in addition to his medical knowledge. But I think either ENG/SCI/MED, ENG/SCI/DIP or ENG/SCI/SEC would do him justice. ENG + SCI are definitely the first 2, in that order.
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SHAN! Please tell me this is a cruel joke, pretty please...with a cherry on top? The event is named after Daystrom...HOW CAN HE NOT BE EVENT CREW?
Chapel looks awesome, Da Vinci kinda OK.
Agreed for Leonardo. Composition looks good but details are the new low-res-splotchy style. Chapel's face looks great but the rest of her not so much. Look at the difference in quality of art on Seven of Nine, from when DB did shading vs now where it's all hard lines.
Look at Seven's fingers and hair, then Chapel's fingers and hair. The difference in depth, details and coloration.
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I completely agree, and I'm just as disappointed in the quick-and-dirty artwork that the newer crew seem to be getting. But I expect that this is our lot from now on, considering the recent layoffs and no doubt continued cost-cutting at the company, as it's surely less man-hours spent to do it this way than to have an artist take the time to do really stellar and detailed work.
Sadly, I don't know that a lot of other players notice these differences. To me, however, it means slightly diminished enjoyment from the game, since the heart of STT is collecting cards of characters that we enjoy, and there is unfortunately not as much for me to enjoy with this less-detailed style of artwork.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"