Actually, people are starting to make a very good case for more ENT in the game. I was quite saddened by the mega appearing to have an ENT storyline but Discovery crew manning the Enterprise slots.
To be fair, ENT crew got to man what I think we all expected to be DS9 slots in the Mirror mega. By my calculations, ENT has a net loss/gain of 0 and Disco owes DS9 1.
You may be concerned about Archer, but he has 6 iterations in this dastardly game. The real question is, is why are there only 9 true Romulans in this game? They even made 3 fake Romulans to try and make up the numbers.
DB hates Romulans!
It always felt like Romulans got the shaft in the shows and films as well. Even in Nemesis, which depends heavily on the Romulan Star empre for the plot, makes them a sideshow behind the (desperately needed and appreciated) feature of the Remans. The lead-up to the Earth-Romulan war in ENT and their involvement in the Dominion War was nice but I always wanted more, even if it still wasn’t equal to the time spent on the Klingons.
I really want a Romulan Mega-Event. There's still numerous Romulans we don't have yet and we can also reintegrate some of the older ones for the ME as well. Besides, ENT's Admiral Valdore might be Brian Thompson's first version in game for once. This guy is in everything! He's played 5 different Star Trek characters across TNG, DS9, and ENT.
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ENT
Reed
Mayweather
Sato (Existing)
Tucker (Existing)
TNG
Picard
Troi
Crusher
La Forge
Data
VOY
Janeway
DS9
Vic Fontaine
Jadzia Dax
Janeway
TOS
Uhura (existing)
For perspective, number of Mirror Universe episodes:
1 TOS
0 TNG
5 DS9
0 VOY
2 ENT (though it was a 2-parter so really just one actual story)
Ergo, DS9 constituted 5/8 of all canon Mirror episodes at the time of "Smoke & Mirrors", but only got 3/13 of the featured crew slots. Of course, it was TOS that really got cheated because despite the whole Mirror Universe originating there, its lone representative was Mirror Uhura, who was not only preexisting, but had even appeared in the featured crew for an event (and an event that had already had one replay, at that!).
So now that I think about it, Disco stole "Ghosts from the Past" from ENT, and TNG stole "Smoke & Mirrors" from TOS and DS9. VOY got to dominate "The Process of Assimilation", and "A Good Day to Lie" was...well, it was a mess, is what it was.
Man, these megas have been wonky when you get down to it.
We know the attack on Earth by Xindi’s never took place. Rewrite of history or a divergence of the timeline. And I think they did what they could to make the existing history fit to their version not vice a versa.
How do we "know the attack on Earth by the Xindi never took place"? In real life, we go about our business without talking about historical events. When was the last time you talked about the Triangle Shirtwaist fire and strike, or the sinking of the Lusitania, or Stonewall? They happened and they made an important impact on the course of history whether we talk about them in our daily lives or not.
Hell, until TNG "Wounded", no one had ever even said the word "Cardassian" and then all of a sudden we're told the Federation has only just concluded a years-long war with them. Miles O'Brien was a veteran of that war, but not one other person on the flagship of the Federation had ever been involved with it. That's far more egregious than no one an entire century, let alone two centuries, talking about the Xindi.
We know the attack on Earth by Xindi’s never took place. Rewrite of history or a divergence of the timeline. And I think they did what they could to make the existing history fit to their version not vice a versa.
How do we "know the attack on Earth by the Xindi never took place"? In real life, we go about our business without talking about historical events. When was the last time you talked about the Triangle Shirtwaist fire and strike, or the sinking of the Lusitania, or Stonewall? They happened and they made an important impact on the course of history whether we talk about them in our daily lives or not.
Hell, until TNG "Wounded", no one had ever even said the word "Cardassian" and then all of a sudden we're told the Federation has only just concluded a years-long war with them. Miles O'Brien was a veteran of that war, but not one other person on the flagship of the Federation had ever been involved with it. That's far more egregious than no one an entire century, let alone two centuries, talking about the Xindi.
Daniels in Enterprise said it never occurred.
Rather than bothering to try to rephrase any of it, I'm just gonna quote the Memory Alpha summary of this part of the Xindi incident:
In November of 2153 (after Enterprise had encounters with a lost Human tribe and a polaric field), Captain Archer was once again contacted by Daniels, an operative in the Temporal Cold War who had assisted Enterprise on several previous occasions. Daniels informed Archer that the Xindi attack on Earth was the result of a temporal incursion whose effects had not yet reached his own time, so he would be unable to assist in the search for the weapon. (ENT: "North Star", "Similitude", "Carpenter Street")
If this is what you're referring to, it's important to distinguish that this is not the same thing as saying the attack never occurred. Just that the whole thing was set into motion by some temporal monkeying that hadn't played out enough by Daniels's time for him to know enough about it. (I'll readily grant this is an especially convoluted storytelling cop-out to keep the time traveler from being of any meaningful help, but ENT never really did seem to understand its own temporal mechanics.)
The Memory Alpha summary continues:
Daniels did, however, bring word that three Xindi were present in the year 2004 on Earth, where they had been operating for two months. Daniels sent Archer and T'Pol backwards in time to deal with the threat. Archer and T'Pol discovered that Xindi-Reptilian scientists were assembling a bio-weapon to wipe out Humanity in the past; later information would show that after the Rajiin incident the Xindi Council had banned further research into the bio-weapon and that the Sphere-Builders had taken the biologist Damron and his team into the past to covertly complete their work. Archer and T'Pol successfully stopped the bio-weapon from being deployed and returned to 2153. (ENT: "Carpenter Street", "The Forgotten")
So the attack in 2004 did not occur, as Archer and T'Pol stopped it, but the one in 2153 that decimated Florida down to Venezuela, still did occur.
I really want a Romulan Mega-Event. There's still numerous Romulans we don't have yet and we can also reintegrate some of the older ones for the ME as well. Besides, ENT's Admiral Valdore might be Brian Thompson's first version in game for once. This guy is in everything! He's played 5 different Star Trek characters across TNG, DS9, and ENT.
Admiral Valdore would be a great recurring character for a Romulan mega event.
You may be concerned about Archer, but he has 6 iterations in this dastardly game. The real question is, is why are there only 9 true Romulans in this game? They even made 3 fake Romulans to try and make up the numbers.
DB hates Romulans!
It always felt like Romulans got the shaft in the shows and films as well. Even in Nemesis, which depends heavily on the Romulan Star empre for the plot, makes them a sideshow behind the (desperately needed and appreciated) feature of the Remans. The lead-up to the Earth-Romulan war in ENT and their involvement in the Dominion War was nice but I always wanted more, even if it still wasn’t equal to the time spent on the Klingons.
You may be concerned about Archer, but he has 6 iterations in this dastardly game. The real question is, is why are there only 9 true Romulans in this game? They even made 3 fake Romulans to try and make up the numbers.
DB hates Romulans!
It always felt like Romulans got the shaft in the shows and films as well. Even in Nemesis, which depends heavily on the Romulan Star empre for the plot, makes them a sideshow behind the (desperately needed and appreciated) feature of the Remans. The lead-up to the Earth-Romulan war in ENT and their involvement in the Dominion War was nice but I always wanted more, even if it still wasn’t equal to the time spent on the Klingons.
I'm a fan of the Romulans, but I like to pretend that Nemesis doesn't exist :-(
Ds9 did best depicting Romulans: Plotting, scheming, deceiving. Some of the best plots in ds9 involve Romulans
What did Nemesis do? Invented evil Romulans with more alien ugly faces and giving them bigger starships....
We know the attack on Earth by Xindi’s never took place. Rewrite of history or a divergence of the timeline. And I think they did what they could to make the existing history fit to their version not vice a versa.
How do we "know the attack on Earth by the Xindi never took place"? In real life, we go about our business without talking about historical events. When was the last time you talked about the Triangle Shirtwaist fire and strike, or the sinking of the Lusitania, or Stonewall? They happened and they made an important impact on the course of history whether we talk about them in our daily lives or not.
Hell, until TNG "Wounded", no one had ever even said the word "Cardassian" and then all of a sudden we're told the Federation has only just concluded a years-long war with them. Miles O'Brien was a veteran of that war, but not one other person on the flagship of the Federation had ever been involved with it. That's far more egregious than no one an entire century, let alone two centuries, talking about the Xindi.
Daniels in Enterprise said it never occurred.
Rather than bothering to try to rephrase any of it, I'm just gonna quote the Memory Alpha summary of this part of the Xindi incident:
In November of 2153 (after Enterprise had encounters with a lost Human tribe and a polaric field), Captain Archer was once again contacted by Daniels, an operative in the Temporal Cold War who had assisted Enterprise on several previous occasions. Daniels informed Archer that the Xindi attack on Earth was the result of a temporal incursion whose effects had not yet reached his own time, so he would be unable to assist in the search for the weapon. (ENT: "North Star", "Similitude", "Carpenter Street")
If this is what you're referring to, it's important to distinguish that this is not the same thing as saying the attack never occurred. Just that the whole thing was set into motion by some temporal monkeying that hadn't played out enough by Daniels's time for him to know enough about it. (I'll readily grant this is an especially convoluted storytelling cop-out to keep the time traveler from being of any meaningful help, but ENT never really did seem to understand its own temporal mechanics.)
The Memory Alpha summary continues:
Daniels did, however, bring word that three Xindi were present in the year 2004 on Earth, where they had been operating for two months. Daniels sent Archer and T'Pol backwards in time to deal with the threat. Archer and T'Pol discovered that Xindi-Reptilian scientists were assembling a bio-weapon to wipe out Humanity in the past; later information would show that after the Rajiin incident the Xindi Council had banned further research into the bio-weapon and that the Sphere-Builders had taken the biologist Damron and his team into the past to covertly complete their work. Archer and T'Pol successfully stopped the bio-weapon from being deployed and returned to 2153. (ENT: "Carpenter Street", "The Forgotten")
So the attack in 2004 did not occur, as Archer and T'Pol stopped it, but the one in 2153 that decimated Florida down to Venezuela, still did occur.
Takes time to reach Daniels. How far in the future Is Daniels. I would say that is a lot of time for something to reach him.
I do get annoyed with this Temporal Cold War that is only affecting the Enterprise series.
Of course, I say that there has been a divergence in the timeline. With my theory they could redo all the series with the new timeline.
Edit: Different topic. The TNG last episode with the anomaly moving backward in time. Is there an explanation why the anomaly was not there when the future Picard first got to the location. Of course, all his other versions see the anomaly so it did have the time necessary for him to have saw it
Edit2: Back to Enterprise when Daniels brings Archer to the future and the future was all changed was there that extra passage of time?
Edit3: Why did the future change when he brought Archer there. This was not the first time he brought Archer to the future.
Edit4: I would think one can see that I am watching a lot of Enterprise and working from memory, I do think with its flaws it still is the second.best series. I too am disappointed that it could not have run longer.
They ain’t the only ones. I Disliked most of ENT and archer was fairly dull. Perhaps it’s an American vs European thing, for the Americans he’s an exploring pioneer, but to Europeans he doesn’t offer much.
What did Europeans get? A fussy Brit in the form of reed
Sorry what? I’m European and enjoyed Enterprise just fine thanks. Completely feel Archer is inappropriately overlooked. It’s just not good enough from DB.
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Let's just say Captain Archer doesn't fit Hollywood's preferred and now required demographic. I guess neither does the majority of the fan base for Star Trek. Interesting isn't it?
Kinda back door of saying something that could be considered offensive, but I will counter it just as obtusely. The Star Trek Fanbase has always been diverse across several areas of demographics mostly due to its record of fairly diverse casting.
And to put it even less obtusely. Doctor Martin Luther King Jr was aware of and saw the importance of Star Trek, some accounts even have him watching it.
I am not sure what was offensive about that. Was it stating Hollywood's clear preferences or is it simply offensive now to be a part of a certain demographic and *have* an opinion? Which part was offensive to you?
Lol, if you really don't find it easy to find, you're in a mental demographic that probably promotes that kind of offensive thought.
"Promotes that kind of offensive thought" what an interesting statement. People like you are the reason western societies are giving up free speech as to "not offend". I'll try to keep my offensive thought rays directed away from you so you don't burst into offensive flames or cry oceans of liberal tears because I think differently from you. Freedom in America doesn't end where your delicate feelings begin.
They ain’t the only ones. I Disliked most of ENT and archer was fairly dull. Perhaps it’s an American vs European thing, for the Americans he’s an exploring pioneer, but to Europeans he doesn’t offer much.
What did Europeans get? A fussy Brit in the form of reed
Although not as popular as Kirk and Picard, I think it's fair to say that we could at least have Archer in an event a single time in over two years of events. I don't complain when some of the much worse characters like Kim and Stamets are used in events.
Stamets is an awesome character! You start off to believe he’s cold and rude, but he changes and your opinion of him changes.
One of the things discovery gets right is most of the characters have more than one dimension. As much as most of the other flavours were great, the characters were largely simplistic - “the logical one” or “the young ensign” etc..
They ain’t the only ones. I Disliked most of ENT and archer was fairly dull. Perhaps it’s an American vs European thing, for the Americans he’s an exploring pioneer, but to Europeans he doesn’t offer much.
What did Europeans get? A fussy Brit in the form of reed
Although not as popular as Kirk and Picard, I think it's fair to say that we could at least have Archer in an event a single time in over two years of events. I don't complain when some of the much worse characters like Kim and Stamets are used in events.
Stamets is an awesome character! You start off to believe he’s cold and rude, but he changes and your opinion of him changes.
One of the things discovery gets right is most of the characters have more than one dimension. As much as most of the other flavours were great, the characters were largely simplistic - “the logical one” or “the young ensign” etc..
If you think that Spock's only characterisation was "the logical one", I think you need to re-watch some things...
Also have you seen DS9? Literally no character there was one-dimensional. Even the Ferengi were complex.
And TNG had little to no cut-and-dried characters either. Picard was the strategic, brilliant diplomat and tactician, with loads of empathy, but he was also borderline afraid of children, developed PTSD about the Borg to the point of driving him to genocide and extreme measure, and he developed a level of understanding about the Klingons that few captains ever could hope for. Not to mention everything about the Vash arc.
I could go on about a lot of other characters, but long story short, DSC was in no way the first ST show to have "complex" characters, and having a character simply go from one thing to another isn't actually that complex compared to a lot of other characters developed in previous series.
Also, Stamets
changed because he was biologically fused with alien spores, that's not so much character development as straight-up "this is a new character now".
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They ain’t the only ones. I Disliked most of ENT and archer was fairly dull. Perhaps it’s an American vs European thing, for the Americans he’s an exploring pioneer, but to Europeans he doesn’t offer much.
What did Europeans get? A fussy Brit in the form of reed
Although not as popular as Kirk and Picard, I think it's fair to say that we could at least have Archer in an event a single time in over two years of events. I don't complain when some of the much worse characters like Kim and Stamets are used in events.
Stamets is an awesome character! You start off to believe he’s cold and rude, but he changes and your opinion of him changes.
One of the things discovery gets right is most of the characters have more than one dimension. As much as most of the other flavours were great, the characters were largely simplistic - “the logical one” or “the young ensign” etc..
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I could go on about a lot of other characters, but long story short, DSC was in no way the first ST show to have "complex" characters, and having a character simply go from one thing to another isn't actually that complex compared to a lot of other characters developed in previous series.
In fairness, @Siblin didn't say anything about Disco being the first, or only, Trek series to have multi-dimensional characters. Just that it's something the show gets right. A lot of TV shows don't, so it's nice when one does. And I agree with Siblin that so far, in as much as fifteen episodes permitted, Disco has done an admirable job of it.
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The remark about "other flavours" having been "largely simplistic" is broader than I reflexively considered, so I grant that I'm demonstrably wrong about Siblin not having said "anything" about the matter of the show vis a vis other Treks.
On this, I would certainly agree with @For Cardassia that it would be entirely too reductive to suggest that character development was minimal in previous Treks. I would also be the first to agree that even the supporting cast of DS9 was far better developed than the main cast of most shows; not just other Treks, but TV at large.
And I would also agree that any reading of Mr. Spock as being only "the logical one" misses so much of the character that it's just flat wrong. In fairness, though, if that was directed at Tuvok or T'Pol, it would still be wrong, but considerably more understandable than if it was about Spock.
If you go by series alone according to the wiki, there are more characters from ENT than TOS in game. 53 vs 48. Now TOS also had movies so that could skew it the other way.
TOS movies add another 32:
5 TMP
6 TWOK
4 TSFS
7 TVH
2 TFF
8 TUC
Plus, for completists like me, there are another three from TAS, which would bring the TOS-era total to 83 spanning TOS, TAS, and the first six films.
Plus Nexus Kirk who should be original series plus Ambassdor Spock and Sarek inherited plus the Dahar Masters all grown up and responsible....
I agree to have more Archer in the game, but be careful, last time we asked more Burnham they gave us a flood of them. Who is on the buttons must have lack of somerhing grey...
I liked Enterprise, I liked to see how new we all were, hence the prime directive, I liked the fails and how we met certain races, which are a staple of say TOS and TNG on wards, in my opinion it was also in keeping with the original timeline.
It ran for 4 series, so, should have a better representation in the game, I know Disco is the new hot thing as it is currently airing, but come on there is a backlog o historic characters which need to be represented
If you go by series alone according to the wiki, there are more characters from ENT than TOS in game. 53 vs 48. Now TOS also had movies so that could skew it the other way.
TOS movies add another 32:
5 TMP
6 TWOK
4 TSFS
7 TVH
2 TFF
8 TUC
Plus, for completists like me, there are another three from TAS, which would bring the TOS-era total to 83 spanning TOS, TAS, and the first six films.
Plus Nexus Kirk who should be original series plus Ambassdor Spock and Sarek inherited plus the Dahar Masters all grown up and responsible....
The Dahar Masters are DS9 from the Episode Blood Oath. Yes it is still Kor, Kang and Koloth, but the DS9 versions.
Ambassador Spock is the TNG version from Unification.
Let's just say Captain Archer doesn't fit Hollywood's preferred and now required demographic. I guess neither does the majority of the fan base for Star Trek. Interesting isn't it?
Kinda back door of saying something that could be considered offensive, but I will counter it just as obtusely. The Star Trek Fanbase has always been diverse across several areas of demographics mostly due to its record of fairly diverse casting.
And to put it even less obtusely. Doctor Martin Luther King Jr was aware of and saw the importance of Star Trek, some accounts even have him watching it.
I am not sure what was offensive about that. Was it stating Hollywood's clear preferences or is it simply offensive now to be a part of a certain demographic and *have* an opinion? Which part was offensive to you?
Lol, if you really don't find it easy to find, you're in a mental demographic that probably promotes that kind of offensive thought.
"Promotes that kind of offensive thought" what an interesting statement. People like you are the reason western societies are giving up free speech as to "not offend". I'll try to keep my offensive thought rays directed away from you so you don't burst into offensive flames or cry oceans of liberal tears because I think differently from you. Freedom in America doesn't end where your delicate feelings begin.
Sounds like you're 'offended' because someone pointed out that Star Trek traditionally focuses on diversity. Try not to get bent outta shape when people point that out. It makes you look like a precious conservative snowflake.
I agree to have more Archer in the game, but be careful, last time we asked more Burnham they gave us a flood of them. Who is on the buttons must have lack of somerhing grey...
I agree to have more Archer in the game, but be careful, last time we asked more Burnham they gave us a flood of them. Who is on the buttons must have lack of somerhing grey...
Let's just say Captain Archer doesn't fit Hollywood's preferred and now required demographic. I guess neither does the majority of the fan base for Star Trek. Interesting isn't it?
Kinda back door of saying something that could be considered offensive, but I will counter it just as obtusely. The Star Trek Fanbase has always been diverse across several areas of demographics mostly due to its record of fairly diverse casting.
And to put it even less obtusely. Doctor Martin Luther King Jr was aware of and saw the importance of Star Trek, some accounts even have him watching it.
I am not sure what was offensive about that. Was it stating Hollywood's clear preferences or is it simply offensive now to be a part of a certain demographic and *have* an opinion? Which part was offensive to you?
Lol, if you really don't find it easy to find, you're in a mental demographic that probably promotes that kind of offensive thought.
"Promotes that kind of offensive thought" what an interesting statement. People like you are the reason western societies are giving up free speech as to "not offend". I'll try to keep my offensive thought rays directed away from you so you don't burst into offensive flames or cry oceans of liberal tears because I think differently from you. Freedom in America doesn't end where your delicate feelings begin.
Sounds like you're 'offended' because someone pointed out that Star Trek traditionally focuses on diversity. Try not to get bent outta shape when people point that out. It makes you look like a precious conservative snowflake.
I am only offended that our western culture is so concerned with "being offensive" that freedom of speech is forfeited to preserve feelings. I know liberals find other people's freedom of speech offensive but when you leave your campus one day and enter the real world you will not have "safe spaces" to hide your delicate feelings. I am not the snowflake here. I presented an argument and was told that I promoted "offensive thoughts". Not everyone is your gender studies professor that only allows for things you want to hear.
Let's just say Captain Archer doesn't fit Hollywood's preferred and now required demographic. I guess neither does the majority of the fan base for Star Trek. Interesting isn't it?
Kinda back door of saying something that could be considered offensive, but I will counter it just as obtusely. The Star Trek Fanbase has always been diverse across several areas of demographics mostly due to its record of fairly diverse casting.
And to put it even less obtusely. Doctor Martin Luther King Jr was aware of and saw the importance of Star Trek, some accounts even have him watching it.
I am not sure what was offensive about that. Was it stating Hollywood's clear preferences or is it simply offensive now to be a part of a certain demographic and *have* an opinion? Which part was offensive to you?
Lol, if you really don't find it easy to find, you're in a mental demographic that probably promotes that kind of offensive thought.
"Promotes that kind of offensive thought" what an interesting statement. People like you are the reason western societies are giving up free speech as to "not offend". I'll try to keep my offensive thought rays directed away from you so you don't burst into offensive flames or cry oceans of liberal tears because I think differently from you. Freedom in America doesn't end where your delicate feelings begin.
Sounds like you're 'offended' because someone pointed out that Star Trek traditionally focuses on diversity. Try not to get bent outta shape when people point that out. It makes you look like a precious conservative snowflake.
I am only offended that our western culture is so concerned with "being offensive" that freedom of speech is forfeited to preserve feelings. I know liberals find other people's freedom of speech offensive but when you leave your campus one day and enter the real world you will not have "safe spaces" to hide your delicate feelings. I am not the snowflake here. I presented an argument and was told that I promoted "offensive thoughts". Not everyone is your gender studies professor that only allows for things you want to hear.
I’d like to point out that campuses in the U.S. are not a safe place anymore. (:
Well that's good. Getting back to the forum topic...sort of...Why does the complementary card for Ushan Archer, Ushan Shran have such horrible stats? I got a 5th star on him the other day and feel like I have better 4* cards.
DB goes by what they think sells. Enterprise is the least liked trek series. It nearly killed the franchise. It had some good points but it also had a lot of bad ones. The end was so terrible. That being said, DB should have an Archer in an event or say why he hasnt been in an event as he was a captain. You cant say that DB has ignored other aspects of Enterprise as we have had two events with degra, we just got a couple shrans, and we have had other ent peeps. Remember that Enterprise only went for four seasons and was cancelled. People might say Discovery has too many characters and that a lot of people complain about Discovery, but it is the only running trek series and so must be well represented in order to bring in new people.
Let's just say Captain Archer doesn't fit Hollywood's preferred and now required demographic. I guess neither does the majority of the fan base for Star Trek. Interesting isn't it?
Kinda back door of saying something that could be considered offensive, but I will counter it just as obtusely. The Star Trek Fanbase has always been diverse across several areas of demographics mostly due to its record of fairly diverse casting.
And to put it even less obtusely. Doctor Martin Luther King Jr was aware of and saw the importance of Star Trek, some accounts even have him watching it.
I am not sure what was offensive about that. Was it stating Hollywood's clear preferences or is it simply offensive now to be a part of a certain demographic and *have* an opinion? Which part was offensive to you?
Lol, if you really don't find it easy to find, you're in a mental demographic that probably promotes that kind of offensive thought.
"Promotes that kind of offensive thought" what an interesting statement. People like you are the reason western societies are giving up free speech as to "not offend". I'll try to keep my offensive thought rays directed away from you so you don't burst into offensive flames or cry oceans of liberal tears because I think differently from you. Freedom in America doesn't end where your delicate feelings begin.
Sounds like you're 'offended' because someone pointed out that Star Trek traditionally focuses on diversity. Try not to get bent outta shape when people point that out. It makes you look like a precious conservative snowflake.
I am only offended that our western culture is so concerned with "being offensive" that freedom of speech is forfeited to preserve feelings. I know liberals find other people's freedom of speech offensive but when you leave your campus one day and enter the real world you will not have "safe spaces" to hide your delicate feelings. I am not the snowflake here. I presented an argument and was told that I promoted "offensive thoughts". Not everyone is your gender studies professor that only allows for things you want to hear.
Just because something is offensive does not mean it is banned or prohibited. The Nazi's were allowed to march in Illinois, not because they were not offensive, but because they were not banned or prohibited. (In fact the ACLU helped them get their permits and to bring that to fruition). If you do not agree that what the American Nazi Party was promoting in their Illinois march then was offensive, well there's no hope of you understanding this concept.
To state that there are no offensive thoughts is laughable. But yes, you do have that freedom to have them, and even to share them.
Incidentally , just because you can do a thing does not mean you should do a thing or that it is legal in the framework of constitutional law, and freedom of speech is not unlimited (in fact no freedom is). Just as you cannot yell 'Fire' in a crowded theatre, there are other things you cannot lawfully do that fall under incitement to riot, conspiracy to (insert crime here) among other things. But again, that is what is legal not what is offensive.
It was stated by your comrade in demographics that Archer was not present in an event because, in a very obtuse way, he's a middle aged white male. Or maybe not because of the age.
It was a trolling remark intended to stir a pot and raise the flag ignoring several things;
1) Most characters in game are white or portrayed by white actors.
2) This year alone events have featured white males characters such as Scotty, Barclay, McCoy and Mudd. And ones who were portrayed by white male actors, (Q, Tyler, Sarek, Quark, etc)
3) New Archers have been put in game but have been Pack Only. (COP in late 2017, and EV Suit in Jan 2018) He's been more present in pack only form in the last several months than just about any other character.
So the thought is offensive for two reasons, one it is incorrect based on the demographic of other events. Two it was meant to stir up resentment between folks of different races without real cause.
To the actual Archer issue itself, I think we're going to see him in an event soon, quite possibly the next mega event in a month or so. Or may be the mega after that. I hope he's in one of his Pack Only forms as I know several folks in my fleet just didn't have the funds to chase him back in his pack releases.
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To be fair, ENT crew got to man what I think we all expected to be DS9 slots in the Mirror mega. By my calculations, ENT has a net loss/gain of 0 and Disco owes DS9 1.
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I really want a Romulan Mega-Event. There's still numerous Romulans we don't have yet and we can also reintegrate some of the older ones for the ME as well. Besides, ENT's Admiral Valdore might be Brian Thompson's first version in game for once. This guy is in everything! He's played 5 different Star Trek characters across TNG, DS9, and ENT.
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For perspective, number of Mirror Universe episodes:
1 TOS
0 TNG
5 DS9
0 VOY
2 ENT (though it was a 2-parter so really just one actual story)
Ergo, DS9 constituted 5/8 of all canon Mirror episodes at the time of "Smoke & Mirrors", but only got 3/13 of the featured crew slots. Of course, it was TOS that really got cheated because despite the whole Mirror Universe originating there, its lone representative was Mirror Uhura, who was not only preexisting, but had even appeared in the featured crew for an event (and an event that had already had one replay, at that!).
So now that I think about it, Disco stole "Ghosts from the Past" from ENT, and TNG stole "Smoke & Mirrors" from TOS and DS9. VOY got to dominate "The Process of Assimilation", and "A Good Day to Lie" was...well, it was a mess, is what it was.
Man, these megas have been wonky when you get down to it.
Daniels in Enterprise said it never occurred.
Rather than bothering to try to rephrase any of it, I'm just gonna quote the Memory Alpha summary of this part of the Xindi incident:
If this is what you're referring to, it's important to distinguish that this is not the same thing as saying the attack never occurred. Just that the whole thing was set into motion by some temporal monkeying that hadn't played out enough by Daniels's time for him to know enough about it. (I'll readily grant this is an especially convoluted storytelling cop-out to keep the time traveler from being of any meaningful help, but ENT never really did seem to understand its own temporal mechanics.)
The Memory Alpha summary continues:
So the attack in 2004 did not occur, as Archer and T'Pol stopped it, but the one in 2153 that decimated Florida down to Venezuela, still did occur.
Admiral Valdore would be a great recurring character for a Romulan mega event.
I'm a fan of the Romulans, but I like to pretend that Nemesis doesn't exist :-(
Ds9 did best depicting Romulans: Plotting, scheming, deceiving. Some of the best plots in ds9 involve Romulans
What did Nemesis do? Invented evil Romulans with more alien ugly faces and giving them bigger starships....
Takes time to reach Daniels. How far in the future Is Daniels. I would say that is a lot of time for something to reach him.
I do get annoyed with this Temporal Cold War that is only affecting the Enterprise series.
Of course, I say that there has been a divergence in the timeline. With my theory they could redo all the series with the new timeline.
Edit: Different topic. The TNG last episode with the anomaly moving backward in time. Is there an explanation why the anomaly was not there when the future Picard first got to the location. Of course, all his other versions see the anomaly so it did have the time necessary for him to have saw it
Edit2: Back to Enterprise when Daniels brings Archer to the future and the future was all changed was there that extra passage of time?
Edit3: Why did the future change when he brought Archer there. This was not the first time he brought Archer to the future.
Edit4: I would think one can see that I am watching a lot of Enterprise and working from memory, I do think with its flaws it still is the second.best series. I too am disappointed that it could not have run longer.
Sorry what? I’m European and enjoyed Enterprise just fine thanks. Completely feel Archer is inappropriately overlooked. It’s just not good enough from DB.
"Promotes that kind of offensive thought" what an interesting statement. People like you are the reason western societies are giving up free speech as to "not offend". I'll try to keep my offensive thought rays directed away from you so you don't burst into offensive flames or cry oceans of liberal tears because I think differently from you. Freedom in America doesn't end where your delicate feelings begin.
Stamets is an awesome character! You start off to believe he’s cold and rude, but he changes and your opinion of him changes.
One of the things discovery gets right is most of the characters have more than one dimension. As much as most of the other flavours were great, the characters were largely simplistic - “the logical one” or “the young ensign” etc..
If you think that Spock's only characterisation was "the logical one", I think you need to re-watch some things...
Also have you seen DS9? Literally no character there was one-dimensional. Even the Ferengi were complex.
And TNG had little to no cut-and-dried characters either. Picard was the strategic, brilliant diplomat and tactician, with loads of empathy, but he was also borderline afraid of children, developed PTSD about the Borg to the point of driving him to genocide and extreme measure, and he developed a level of understanding about the Klingons that few captains ever could hope for. Not to mention everything about the Vash arc.
I could go on about a lot of other characters, but long story short, DSC was in no way the first ST show to have "complex" characters, and having a character simply go from one thing to another isn't actually that complex compared to a lot of other characters developed in previous series.
Also, Stamets
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In fairness, @Siblin didn't say anything about Disco being the first, or only, Trek series to have multi-dimensional characters. Just that it's something the show gets right. A lot of TV shows don't, so it's nice when one does. And I agree with Siblin that so far, in as much as fifteen episodes permitted, Disco has done an admirable job of it.
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The remark about "other flavours" having been "largely simplistic" is broader than I reflexively considered, so I grant that I'm demonstrably wrong about Siblin not having said "anything" about the matter of the show vis a vis other Treks.
On this, I would certainly agree with @For Cardassia that it would be entirely too reductive to suggest that character development was minimal in previous Treks. I would also be the first to agree that even the supporting cast of DS9 was far better developed than the main cast of most shows; not just other Treks, but TV at large.
And I would also agree that any reading of Mr. Spock as being only "the logical one" misses so much of the character that it's just flat wrong. In fairness, though, if that was directed at Tuvok or T'Pol, it would still be wrong, but considerably more understandable than if it was about Spock.
Plus Nexus Kirk who should be original series plus Ambassdor Spock and Sarek inherited plus the Dahar Masters all grown up and responsible....
Who asked for more Burnham's?
It ran for 4 series, so, should have a better representation in the game, I know Disco is the new hot thing as it is currently airing, but come on there is a backlog o historic characters which need to be represented
The Dahar Masters are DS9 from the Episode Blood Oath. Yes it is still Kor, Kang and Koloth, but the DS9 versions.
Ambassador Spock is the TNG version from Unification.
Sounds like you're 'offended' because someone pointed out that Star Trek traditionally focuses on diversity. Try not to get bent outta shape when people point that out. It makes you look like a precious conservative snowflake.
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One of the fourm mods i believe lol
ha ha, yeah that did make me laugh
I am only offended that our western culture is so concerned with "being offensive" that freedom of speech is forfeited to preserve feelings. I know liberals find other people's freedom of speech offensive but when you leave your campus one day and enter the real world you will not have "safe spaces" to hide your delicate feelings. I am not the snowflake here. I presented an argument and was told that I promoted "offensive thoughts". Not everyone is your gender studies professor that only allows for things you want to hear.
I’d like to point out that campuses in the U.S. are not a safe place anymore. (:
Just because something is offensive does not mean it is banned or prohibited. The Nazi's were allowed to march in Illinois, not because they were not offensive, but because they were not banned or prohibited. (In fact the ACLU helped them get their permits and to bring that to fruition). If you do not agree that what the American Nazi Party was promoting in their Illinois march then was offensive, well there's no hope of you understanding this concept.
To state that there are no offensive thoughts is laughable. But yes, you do have that freedom to have them, and even to share them.
Incidentally , just because you can do a thing does not mean you should do a thing or that it is legal in the framework of constitutional law, and freedom of speech is not unlimited (in fact no freedom is). Just as you cannot yell 'Fire' in a crowded theatre, there are other things you cannot lawfully do that fall under incitement to riot, conspiracy to (insert crime here) among other things. But again, that is what is legal not what is offensive.
It was stated by your comrade in demographics that Archer was not present in an event because, in a very obtuse way, he's a middle aged white male. Or maybe not because of the age.
It was a trolling remark intended to stir a pot and raise the flag ignoring several things;
1) Most characters in game are white or portrayed by white actors.
2) This year alone events have featured white males characters such as Scotty, Barclay, McCoy and Mudd. And ones who were portrayed by white male actors, (Q, Tyler, Sarek, Quark, etc)
3) New Archers have been put in game but have been Pack Only. (COP in late 2017, and EV Suit in Jan 2018) He's been more present in pack only form in the last several months than just about any other character.
So the thought is offensive for two reasons, one it is incorrect based on the demographic of other events. Two it was meant to stir up resentment between folks of different races without real cause.
To the actual Archer issue itself, I think we're going to see him in an event soon, quite possibly the next mega event in a month or so. Or may be the mega after that. I hope he's in one of his Pack Only forms as I know several folks in my fleet just didn't have the funds to chase him back in his pack releases.