To me, the thing that makes DB look the most guilty is the timing of this. Packs with Yar for sale with previous ship ability go offline at 11:59:59 AM. "Rebalancing" of ship ability happens with server push at 12:00:00 PM. Literally. The actual second that character was no longer able to be purchased is when they rebalanced the stats.
That means that the rebalance had been discussed, was planned, and was prepared to go live while the character was still available for sale with the previous ability -- and no notice was given that it was going to change. To me, this shows that DB was clearly and intentionally trying to sell as much product as possible while knowing full well that its value was going to be diminished.
I always finish top 1000 in faction. Because of Polywaters ship abilities I decided I would go for top 15. I realized I needed more time boosts, so i bought the 4.99 offer twice. I also got 4 extra cadet tickets for Thursday when I normally only do two. I needed more time boosts and spent somewhere around 1600 dil. to get them. I have no more *** , ****, ***** time boosts left.
I would be satisfied if they replaced my copies of Polywater with Gary Seven.
Others, might need different compensation
Compensations that had crossed my mind. Iconic crew with the 4000 dil. and removal of DYC Polywater replaced with some other Legendary level 60 and one item equipped. I have actually leveled my 1F Yar to 60 and had equipped the Tequila.
So all I would be giving up is my 1F copy of Polywater.
I would keep the 3FFE Polywater and FFFE Admiral Ross and FFFE Mirror Garak (I airlocked the FF Garak from rewards) these I got in my attempt to get Polywater from cadet offers 24.99 and 9.99
I spent 68.95 and about 2500 dil.
I spent like 15$ to get 2 copies of her but yeah, I'd rather have Gary Seven too lol ..he is 1. very cool and 2. way more that I can afford to spend right now (for us old ppl on a fixed income, things start to get tight around this time of the month :P) .
So did you make it to the top 15? That's my next achievement... I am thinking it going to be awhile before I get there …. in any event , good luck.... I hope you get this resolved to your satisfaction.
I always finish top 1000 in faction. Because of Polywaters ship abilities I decided I would go for top 15. I realized I needed more time boosts, so i bought the 4.99 offer twice. I also got 4 extra cadet tickets for Thursday when I normally only do two. I needed more time boosts and spent somewhere around 1600 dil. to get them. I have no more *** , ****, ***** time boosts left.
I would be satisfied if they replaced my copies of Polywater with Gary Seven.
Others, might need different compensation
Compensations that had crossed my mind. Iconic crew with the 4000 dil. and removal of DYC Polywater replaced with some other Legendary level 60 and one item equipped. I have actually leveled my 1F Yar to 60 and had equipped the Tequila.
So all I would be giving up is my 1F copy of Polywater.
I would keep the 3FFE Polywater and FFFE Admiral Ross and FFFE Mirror Garak (I airlocked the FF Garak from rewards) these I got in my attempt to get Polywater from cadet offers 24.99 and 9.99
I spent 68.95 and about 2500 dil.
I spent like 15$ to get 2 copies of her but yeah, I'd rather have Gary Seven too lol ..he is 1. very cool and 2. way more that I can afford to spend right now (for us old ppl on a fixed income, things start to get tight around this time of the month :P) .
So did you make it to the top 15? That's my next achievement... I am thinking it going to be awhile before I get there …. in any event , good luck.... I hope you get this resolved to your satisfaction.
I was 12th. All my shuttles were between 93-91% succcess rate withe time boosts.
First step get around 250 3* time boosts, have some of the 4* and 5* boosts for extra push if needed. Have crew in 4000 VP with 90% or better. The more 4* and 5* time boosts you have the possibility of top 5 could happen.
Edit:
Forgot to mention you need to cherry pick from all factions for best shuttles to run. I ran same four shuttle missions. All were three seaters.
Oh I just saw the extra fun kick in the teeth.
Yelgrun, the 4* Threshold is 3sec evade.
COULDN'T you have just made Yars attack start at 3 or even 4 ? This is bs.
Bye bye trust..
Bye bye good faith.
It was nice seeing you again for the short while you were back.
I was thinking they should have made his evasion start at one second.
If they'd left her alone that'd be fine. So now they'll either Nerf gun him next week, total crap and showing, proving Its bait switch
Or they'll leave him and nullify any validity in nerfing her. (Breaking the battle mechanics)
I have just heard what you did with Yar and am understandably livid!
I intentionally played that event to keep in top 1k, and I did additional pulls to get a second Yar, and I levelled each of them separately intentionally for the arena. I have never levelled two of the same characters before in my over two years of playing this game.
In addition, and knowing the strategies of other players to combat her skills, when I got a legend pull of Admiral Janeway I also purchased a second at £23.99 for her evasion skills so I could help account for other players using her in arena. All that’s called playing the game fair and square.
Then you wait until the offer for all other players to try and purchase her expires and then decide to drastically reduce her critical ability?
This is complete and utter deception and entirely inexcusable.
I do not want compensation for all my wasted efforts, time and money. I want you to honour what you offered and restore her stats exactly as she was. I played in good faith on that basis. Now it’s time you do the same.
As for some players stating we should not be surprised DB has done this, because this happened two years ago all I can say to that is this. Firstly, I was unaware of that. Secondly, If DBs dishonesty and deception is the new norm that we all come to expect, what does that say of them and their integrity? Because I have no intention of playing this kind of game. And it certainly does not live up to the principles the very show this game is supposed to represent espouses.
Do the right thing Shan and honour what you originally offered. And if you have an ongoing issue with quality control, it’s time people got fired for their incompetence, NOT visiting that onto your players.
I don’t understand why people are taking sides on this. It’s possible for Yar to be busted and need changing while also acknowledging that people spent real money and resources for a character who never should have made it past QA.
I spent a few thousand crons leveling her, plus I bought my Monday deal partially because of the dil in it which went to event packs where I got two Yars. I would be +2,000-3000 crons and +3900 dil if they released Yar as it is today. This is a really bad look by DB. I opened a ticket but if the compensation isn’t reasonable and fair, I’m going to file a dispute with apple and get my last batch of IAPs refunded. If they ban me, they ban me. They shouldn’t make a nickel off of this bait and switch unless they fairly compensate everyone impacted.
This is illegal you just did a bait and switch.
I spent $25 an $10 in hopes of getting her. I spent ten dollars on boosts to place in to 15. I also spent numerous dil. on boosts to stay in top 15 all for her ships ability. Iwill be sending in a ticket to customer support asking for reimbursement.
Why is it a bait and switch? Don't recall her ever being marketed as an arena breaker or skirmish monster.
I knew what she was after reading her space ability. That's why I wanted multiple.
I don’t understand why people are taking sides on this. It’s possible for Yar to be busted and need changing while also acknowledging that people spent real money and resources for a character who never should have made it past QA.
I spent a few thousand crons leveling her, plus I bought my Monday deal partially because of the dil in it which went to event packs where I got two Yars. I would be +2,000-3000 crons and +3900 dil if they released Yar as it is today. This is a really bad look by DB. I opened a ticket but if the compensation isn’t reasonable and fair, I’m going to file a dispute with apple and get my last batch of IAPs refunded. If they ban me, they ban me. They shouldn’t make a nickel off of this bait and switch unless they fairly compensate everyone impacted.
There are two sides to this, there's DB's side, and there there is the right side. There is absolutely no excuse to do what they did, and I for one do not believe they did this unintentionally, the timing is way to convenient. its like ordering something online, and getting something completely different than what was advertised, in what world is that ok?.. I hear some people were using 3 yars in the arena, well ive seen people use two tkumas in the arena? whats the difference, I dont know maybe fix the arena so that cant happen in the first place? If you are going to re-balance her, which I still don't agree with, at least give her something useful in exchange, cause as of right now shes not really good for anything.
And for those unaffected, if they did it once they can do it again, can you really trust any offers they put out now, without knowing whether they are going to change or nerf it 3 days later.
I agree that DB's within their rights to do this, per their ToS. But an action can be wholly legal while also being unethical. It was a skeevy thing to have done.
DB has potentially broken laws in certain jurisdictions. As a game marketed internationally they are subject to laws in all jurisdictions in which the game is sold and marketed.
As such they will need to placate those players bringing forward complaints.
I would suggest that DB look at compensation at the level of either a legendary(gold) behold or legendary(gold) citation for every star of Polywater Yar a player holds.
I would urge all players with Polywater Yars to lodge such compensation claims with DB support. In the event that such claims are not met then pass the details of to the relevant bodies in your home jurisdiction.
I would also look at putting in financial claims and charge backs for any money spent.
You could also look at using the report function in steam to bring to attention possible illegal "bait and switch" action by DB in relation to sales within the steam storefront.
I would however urge that any and all claims are first attempted to be negotiated with DB support prior to doing the above as the requirement for many jurisdictions is to at least make an attempt at negotiations before proceeding to lodging of formal complaints. "Right to amend" etc.
I believe in these circumstances I am legally allowed to request a card of equal value in replacement for the one that doesn't work. I am guessing that would be Killy or Locutus. I am sending my ticket shortly.
Given the silence, I am guessing DB has decided to ignore this issue. I guess they think that ignoring the AND issue worked out quiet well, so best to follow the same strategy.
I am going to send in a ticket soon. But not too hopeful. I agree the fair compensation is either a substitute legendary (or citation) or some way to give us back all the resources put in to get Poly Yar (messy and hard to do).
I appreciate that this thread has remained relatively civil and I hope this continues.
Your sentiments regarding this change have been shared with the team.
If you feel this has overly impacted you in a negative way, please submit a ticket and provide a concise request. Thank you!
You know what it is completely fine, if they want to release an officer without testing it or making sure that said character is balanced, and then changing it a couple days after the fact, as long as they are willing to reimburse everyone who was ripped off in the process for their lack of foresight and their ineptitude. The Mirror Picard Fiasco was basically stupid and bad judgement, but this time its actual fraud and misrepresentation, and complete and Utter BS.
Then insult to injury they send a bunch of crap ship schematics as a blanket compensation? lol I think not.
Then you think correctly! The 100 schematics are for the Skirmish event, just like they give out some faction transmissions before Faction events.
I appreciate that this thread has remained relatively civil and I hope this continues.
Your sentiments regarding this change have been shared with the team.
If you feel this has overly impacted you in a negative way, please submit a ticket and provide a concise request. Thank you!
Thanks Shan
I hope you can forget about this and also be able to relax and enjoy your break.😉
Does anyone think this might all be staged in order to prevent backlash about her being too powerful in arena/skirmish?
Step 1 - release powerful ship battle crew (PolyYar)
Step 2 - spot backlash beginning to build in forums. Folks are not happy with tri-Yar cubes in arena.
Step 3 - nerf her ship stats
Step 4 - un-nerf her ship stats to keep people happy, DB: “if you really must insist!”
Step 5 - completely avoid tri-Yar in arena complaints - DB: “well you can’t have it both ways”.
Given the silence, I am guessing DB has decided to ignore this issue. I guess they think that ignoring the AND issue worked out quiet well, so best to follow the same strategy.
I am going to send in a ticket soon. But not too hopeful. I agree the fair compensation is either a substitute legendary (or citation) or some way to give us back all the resources put in to get Poly Yar (messy and hard to do).
They wont respond here, at least other then Shran reassuring that he will forward our concerns, which is appreciated. This is a good place to vent, but your best overall is to submit a ticket.
Given the silence, I am guessing DB has decided to ignore this issue. I guess they think that ignoring the AND issue worked out quiet well, so best to follow the same strategy.
I am going to send in a ticket soon. But not too hopeful. I agree the fair compensation is either a substitute legendary (or citation) or some way to give us back all the resources put in to get Poly Yar (messy and hard to do).
They wont respond here, at least other then Shran reassuring that he will forward our concerns, which is appreciated. This is a good place to vent, but your best overall is to submit a ticket.
See your point. Sent in the ticket. Hoping for good luck with CS RNG, otherwise it’s gonna be a long haul escalating and waiting for adequate compensation.
I am quickly approaching the point where I think playing the game is just too aggravating and it is no longer fun.
I feel bad for all who got hosed on this. Me? Got ugly, snake-bodied, greasy looking, small-headed Yar twice: airlock, airlock. Spider-sense vibrated: danger.
Fleetmate had a reply saying tough luck basically unless they'd purchased the $100/$50 offer in which case that would be removed and swapped for equivalent dil
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Fleetmate had a reply saying tough luck basically unless they'd purchased the $100/$50 offer in which case that would be removed and swapped for equivalent dil
They are starting to reply to tickets. It will be a roller coaster probably at least through the event
The simplest way to avoid this issue would have been to release Yelgrun (or someone like him)FIRST and with more like FF Evasion +8 initializing at 1-2 seconds. It may have seemed game breaking at first, but at least it would have been a defensive not aggressive change. Tossing Yar in, as she was, after the fact would have been much more reasonable.
As it stands, everyone that was able to obtain Yar through normal play almost certainly also has the capacity to fly Skirmishes very successfully, so let's not kid ourselves here: she wasn't going to fundamentally change that for anyone. The real knee biter here is that the AI would finally start killing off challengers in the arena because a Borg cube would be firing off 650% damage at 20 attack before anyone could do anything about it.
The combinations she would have made possible in her original form were ludicrous. People that finally broke the wall to Top 10% were never going to get any higher because Yar wouldn't have been available, Killy's not available, and you have to go a muuuuch longer way to get Locutus.
I took a huge sigh of relief when I read that message.
Sorry for everyone that burned money, but even if I had it I wouldn't.
Ugh... Don't know even how to formulate ticket properly... But the only reason I spent Dil on pack with 1 crew I was 100% sure to FF was Yar...
Not sure how you got your Yars, but however you got them all, explain what you went through to get them, money used dil. spent, boosts if you got her as reward.
This makes me realize there are also people who used resources to make top 1000 and failed. The only reason they did it was to achieve a top 1000 place. Just because you failed in the attempt does not mean you are not due compensation for an effort you made to acquire Polywater.
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That means that the rebalance had been discussed, was planned, and was prepared to go live while the character was still available for sale with the previous ability -- and no notice was given that it was going to change. To me, this shows that DB was clearly and intentionally trying to sell as much product as possible while knowing full well that its value was going to be diminished.
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I spent like 15$ to get 2 copies of her but yeah, I'd rather have Gary Seven too lol ..he is 1. very cool and 2. way more that I can afford to spend right now (for us old ppl on a fixed income, things start to get tight around this time of the month :P) .
So did you make it to the top 15? That's my next achievement... I am thinking it going to be awhile before I get there …. in any event , good luck.... I hope you get this resolved to your satisfaction.
I was 12th. All my shuttles were between 93-91% succcess rate withe time boosts.
First step get around 250 3* time boosts, have some of the 4* and 5* boosts for extra push if needed. Have crew in 4000 VP with 90% or better. The more 4* and 5* time boosts you have the possibility of top 5 could happen.
Edit:
Forgot to mention you need to cherry pick from all factions for best shuttles to run. I ran same four shuttle missions. All were three seaters.
Yelgrun, the 4* Threshold is 3sec evade.
COULDN'T you have just made Yars attack start at 3 or even 4 ? This is bs.
Bye bye trust..
Bye bye good faith.
It was nice seeing you again for the short while you were back.
I was thinking they should have made his evasion start at one second.
If they'd left her alone that'd be fine. So now they'll either Nerf gun him next week, total crap and showing, proving Its bait switch
Or they'll leave him and nullify any validity in nerfing her. (Breaking the battle mechanics)
Bad move Followed by bad move.
The only good move now is undo her Nerf
I have just heard what you did with Yar and am understandably livid!
I intentionally played that event to keep in top 1k, and I did additional pulls to get a second Yar, and I levelled each of them separately intentionally for the arena. I have never levelled two of the same characters before in my over two years of playing this game.
In addition, and knowing the strategies of other players to combat her skills, when I got a legend pull of Admiral Janeway I also purchased a second at £23.99 for her evasion skills so I could help account for other players using her in arena. All that’s called playing the game fair and square.
Then you wait until the offer for all other players to try and purchase her expires and then decide to drastically reduce her critical ability?
This is complete and utter deception and entirely inexcusable.
I do not want compensation for all my wasted efforts, time and money. I want you to honour what you offered and restore her stats exactly as she was. I played in good faith on that basis. Now it’s time you do the same.
As for some players stating we should not be surprised DB has done this, because this happened two years ago all I can say to that is this. Firstly, I was unaware of that. Secondly, If DBs dishonesty and deception is the new norm that we all come to expect, what does that say of them and their integrity? Because I have no intention of playing this kind of game. And it certainly does not live up to the principles the very show this game is supposed to represent espouses.
Do the right thing Shan and honour what you originally offered. And if you have an ongoing issue with quality control, it’s time people got fired for their incompetence, NOT visiting that onto your players.
I have to agree I would rather have what I paid for then compensation.
I spent a few thousand crons leveling her, plus I bought my Monday deal partially because of the dil in it which went to event packs where I got two Yars. I would be +2,000-3000 crons and +3900 dil if they released Yar as it is today. This is a really bad look by DB. I opened a ticket but if the compensation isn’t reasonable and fair, I’m going to file a dispute with apple and get my last batch of IAPs refunded. If they ban me, they ban me. They shouldn’t make a nickel off of this bait and switch unless they fairly compensate everyone impacted.
I knew what she was after reading her space ability. That's why I wanted multiple.
There are two sides to this, there's DB's side, and there there is the right side. There is absolutely no excuse to do what they did, and I for one do not believe they did this unintentionally, the timing is way to convenient. its like ordering something online, and getting something completely different than what was advertised, in what world is that ok?.. I hear some people were using 3 yars in the arena, well ive seen people use two tkumas in the arena? whats the difference, I dont know maybe fix the arena so that cant happen in the first place? If you are going to re-balance her, which I still don't agree with, at least give her something useful in exchange, cause as of right now shes not really good for anything.
And for those unaffected, if they did it once they can do it again, can you really trust any offers they put out now, without knowing whether they are going to change or nerf it 3 days later.
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As such they will need to placate those players bringing forward complaints.
I would suggest that DB look at compensation at the level of either a legendary(gold) behold or legendary(gold) citation for every star of Polywater Yar a player holds.
I would urge all players with Polywater Yars to lodge such compensation claims with DB support. In the event that such claims are not met then pass the details of to the relevant bodies in your home jurisdiction.
I would also look at putting in financial claims and charge backs for any money spent.
You could also look at using the report function in steam to bring to attention possible illegal "bait and switch" action by DB in relation to sales within the steam storefront.
I would however urge that any and all claims are first attempted to be negotiated with DB support prior to doing the above as the requirement for many jurisdictions is to at least make an attempt at negotiations before proceeding to lodging of formal complaints. "Right to amend" etc.
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I am going to send in a ticket soon. But not too hopeful. I agree the fair compensation is either a substitute legendary (or citation) or some way to give us back all the resources put in to get Poly Yar (messy and hard to do).
This should be the compensation for the CHANGE in the product and not as a replacement of the product.
It essentially costs DB 'nothing' while placating the userbase.
I've sent in a formal claim earlier and hope to hear back from them within the next few days before I escalate things.
I appreciate that this thread has remained relatively civil and I hope this continues.
Your sentiments regarding this change have been shared with the team.
If you feel this has overly impacted you in a negative way, please submit a ticket and provide a concise request. Thank you!
Then you think correctly! The 100 schematics are for the Skirmish event, just like they give out some faction transmissions before Faction events.
Thanks Shan
I hope you can forget about this and also be able to relax and enjoy your break.😉
Step 1 - release powerful ship battle crew (PolyYar)
Step 2 - spot backlash beginning to build in forums. Folks are not happy with tri-Yar cubes in arena.
Step 3 - nerf her ship stats
Step 4 - un-nerf her ship stats to keep people happy, DB: “if you really must insist!”
Step 5 - completely avoid tri-Yar in arena complaints - DB: “well you can’t have it both ways”.
They wont respond here, at least other then Shran reassuring that he will forward our concerns, which is appreciated. This is a good place to vent, but your best overall is to submit a ticket.
See your point. Sent in the ticket. Hoping for good luck with CS RNG, otherwise it’s gonna be a long haul escalating and waiting for adequate compensation.
I am quickly approaching the point where I think playing the game is just too aggravating and it is no longer fun.
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They are starting to reply to tickets. It will be a roller coaster probably at least through the event
As it stands, everyone that was able to obtain Yar through normal play almost certainly also has the capacity to fly Skirmishes very successfully, so let's not kid ourselves here: she wasn't going to fundamentally change that for anyone. The real knee biter here is that the AI would finally start killing off challengers in the arena because a Borg cube would be firing off 650% damage at 20 attack before anyone could do anything about it.
The combinations she would have made possible in her original form were ludicrous. People that finally broke the wall to Top 10% were never going to get any higher because Yar wouldn't have been available, Killy's not available, and you have to go a muuuuch longer way to get Locutus.
I took a huge sigh of relief when I read that message.
Sorry for everyone that burned money, but even if I had it I wouldn't.
Not sure how you got your Yars, but however you got them all, explain what you went through to get them, money used dil. spent, boosts if you got her as reward.
This makes me realize there are also people who used resources to make top 1000 and failed. The only reason they did it was to achieve a top 1000 place. Just because you failed in the attempt does not mean you are not due compensation for an effort you made to acquire Polywater.