It is clearly doing well as CBS is expanding and creating two more trek shows including one with Georgiou as lead.
Actually, it hasn't done well so far. The first season numbers were very disappointing to CBS, and most industry speculation is that Disco only got a second season because Netflix essentially paid for the entirety of Season 1's production costs (and it didn't pay off for Netflix, which is why CBS had to offer the Short Treks at a steal to them after expecting to sell them for top dollar). If the numbers don't spike quite a bit with the new showrunners changing direction, it probably won't get a S3. The spin-offs are considered a desperate lunge to find something that sticks with the fans so salvage some of the development costs.
Um, could you cite your source for this?
I don't think I'm supposed to post outside links here (I forget what rules are for which forum I use), but search Youtube for Star Trek Discovery CBS Moonves, vid title is "Star Trek Discovery: The Firing of Les Moonves and the Failure of the Shorts." It pulls together a lot of the different data I'd been seeing in various reports.
Also, I want to make clear: I hope Discovery rights the ship, starts paying real attention to canon, and comes back to Star Trek's roots. I really want to like Discovery, and be able to look back at S1 as the beginning seasons of the other shows before they found their footing. But they're going to need to do almost a full reset to get me there, given how far they've strayed.
Are there any ENG slots? I cycled through a few times already using time reducers and I don't recall using Time Loop Mudd for anything other than SEC. With the x2 event bonus, he's my #1 base ENG, so that seems conspicuous.
I've been running Section 31 because they have holoprograms.
I spent a lot of resources on Time Loop Mudd. I was hoping he would be more helpful. I haven't used him yet.
That artwork for Number One is absolutely awful. Looks nothing at all like her.
Looks pretty good from here.
Don’t know where you got that picture from, as that’s not Number One. Don’t know who it is though.
Number One is from The Cage, the original TOS pilot. Majel Barrett-Roddenberry (Nurse Chapel, Lwaxana Troi, The Computer) played her.
This is a Discovery mega event, so the new version of Number One from that show is being used.
No, you’re kidding right? They’ve surely not recast Number One?
They considered the original actor, but since she passed away over ten years ago, the schedules did not work out.
Yeah, I realise that. I don’t think they should have Number One at all though.
Why not? Number One WAS Pike's Number One on the Enterprise.
And they recast Pike and Spock (twice!) so I’m not sure why Number One is such sacrilege.
People should celebrate the new recast characters as an homage to the originals. People who have only seen the new and not the original will be inspired to watch the old shows, learn and enjoy. Better the characters be recast and reenjoyed then to let them disappear into antiquity.
This is the event thread. It's bad enough that so many threads get derailed into Discovery arguments. We shouldn't need mods for this.
Pleasantly surprised that the shuttles seem to be heavy CMD/DIP/SEC, as the cynic in me was worried it was going to be a bunch of SCI missions for Tilly.
It is clearly doing well as CBS is expanding and creating two more trek shows including one with Georgiou as lead.
Actually, it hasn't done well so far. The first season numbers were very disappointing to CBS, and most industry speculation is that Disco only got a second season because Netflix essentially paid for the entirety of Season 1's production costs (and it didn't pay off for Netflix, which is why CBS had to offer the Short Treks at a steal to them after expecting to sell them for top dollar). If the numbers don't spike quite a bit with the new showrunners changing direction, it probably won't get a S3. The spin-offs are considered a desperate lunge to find something that sticks with the fans so salvage some of the development costs.
Um, could you cite your source for this?
I don't think I'm supposed to post outside links here (I forget what rules are for which forum I use), but search Youtube for Star Trek Discovery CBS Moonves, vid title is "Star Trek Discovery: The Firing of Les Moonves and the Failure of the Shorts." It pulls together a lot of the different data I'd been seeing in various reports.
Also, I want to make clear: I hope Discovery rights the ship, starts paying real attention to canon, and comes back to Star Trek's roots. I really want to like Discovery, and be able to look back at S1 as the beginning seasons of the other shows before they found their footing. But they're going to need to do almost a full reset to get me there, given how far they've strayed.
Bruh, Midnight’s Edge literally just makes stuff up to rile people. He offers no sources for his claims ever.
I guarantee you, CBS would have to be run by the most irresponsible business managers ever if they saw Discovery was floundering she threw more money at it by developing several spinoffs and other new series.
So gutted Bridge officer Number One wasn’t the Mega Event Recurrant Featured crew reward. Not impressed it’s Kol of House Kor instead.
Sometimes I wonder if DB actually understand what the players want or they just throw a dart at a board of choices while blindfolded.
I think they know exactly what players want (in this case, anyway)... they knew there'd be a lot more interest in Number One, so they made her the one that people will have to spend money to get more stars on. If Kol was the ranked reward, there wouldn't be nearly the interest, imo, and they would make significantly less money.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing. ~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
Are there any ENG slots? I cycled through a few times already using time reducers and I don't recall using Time Loop Mudd for anything other than SEC. With the x2 event bonus, he's my #1 base ENG, so that seems conspicuous.
'Patchwork' for Klingon Empire seems to be the only ENG slot I've seen so far.
(3x slot; CMD / SEC / ENG.)
Cook beans. This would be a convenient weekend for some ENG-primary Voyages... *crosses fingers*
why are you telling me to cook beans
Perhaps he's concerned about your fiber intake.
Plus it's just good food hygiene. If you eat 'em raw you toot a lot. Just sayin'.
“Holodeck 2 tomorrow, 1600 hours. Just you, me and a tuning fork”
This is the event thread. It's bad enough that so many threads get derailed into Discovery arguments. We shouldn't need mods for this.
Pleasantly surprised that the shuttles seem to be heavy CMD/DIP/SEC, as the cynic in me was worried it was going to be a bunch of SCI missions for Tilly.
The Sci I keep getting is Sci/Med, so Doctor Hugh goes in that Seat for me.
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
It is clearly doing well as CBS is expanding and creating two more trek shows including one with Georgiou as lead.
Actually, it hasn't done well so far. The first season numbers were very disappointing to CBS, and most industry speculation is that Disco only got a second season because Netflix essentially paid for the entirety of Season 1's production costs (and it didn't pay off for Netflix, which is why CBS had to offer the Short Treks at a steal to them after expecting to sell them for top dollar). If the numbers don't spike quite a bit with the new showrunners changing direction, it probably won't get a S3. The spin-offs are considered a desperate lunge to find something that sticks with the fans so salvage some of the development costs.
Um, could you cite your source for this?
I don't think I'm supposed to post outside links here (I forget what rules are for which forum I use), but search Youtube for Star Trek Discovery CBS Moonves, vid title is "Star Trek Discovery: The Firing of Les Moonves and the Failure of the Shorts." It pulls together a lot of the different data I'd been seeing in various reports.
Watched it..."data" is a loose term, because that's some Donald Trump-level fake news there compiled by someone who clearly has it out for Discovery. Outside of the summary of Les Moonves' departure from CBS, there's not a single piece of information in there that is based on actual facts - the breakdown of subscribers comes close, but even there it's full of speculation. It's also important to understand that CBS has never stated what they consider success for Star Trek to be. Yes, Moonves gave a target for subscribers in 2020 - but that's an overall target, and isn't being hung solely on Star Trek.
Let's also be clear - failures don't get spinoffs. Short Treks did well enough for them to invest in doing two more episodes to follow Disco S2. The Picard show, Lower Decks, potentially Starfleet Academy - all happening because Discovery is doing something right. Heck: even if you want to make the argument that all of those spinoffs exist just because CBS is trying to overcome Discovery's shortcomings (which your "source" posits), I'd love to hear the explanation for the Section 31 show headed by Michelle Yeoh as her Discovery character if Disco is doing so badly.
Also, I want to make clear: I hope Discovery rights the ship, starts paying real attention to canon, and comes back to Star Trek's roots. I really want to like Discovery, and be able to look back at S1 as the beginning seasons of the other shows before they found their footing. But they're going to need to do almost a full reset to get me there, given how far they've strayed.
I might recommend S2 then - S1 wasn't without its flaws, and they're doing a solid job of putting many of those weaknesses behind them.
Looks like Kol has some good Arena burst damage. Might come in handy for the skirmish
Pretty solid, but it's a shame about his activation delay. 12 seconds is way too long for me, but he will probably benefit those who don't have Killy/T'Kuvma/etc.
It is clearly doing well as CBS is expanding and creating two more trek shows including one with Georgiou as lead.
Actually, it hasn't done well so far. The first season numbers were very disappointing to CBS, and most industry speculation is that Disco only got a second season because Netflix essentially paid for the entirety of Season 1's production costs (and it didn't pay off for Netflix, which is why CBS had to offer the Short Treks at a steal to them after expecting to sell them for top dollar). If the numbers don't spike quite a bit with the new showrunners changing direction, it probably won't get a S3. The spin-offs are considered a desperate lunge to find something that sticks with the fans so salvage some of the development costs.
Um, could you cite your source for this?
I don't think I'm supposed to post outside links here (I forget what rules are for which forum I use), but search Youtube for Star Trek Discovery CBS Moonves, vid title is "Star Trek Discovery: The Firing of Les Moonves and the Failure of the Shorts." It pulls together a lot of the different data I'd been seeing in various reports.
Watched it..."data" is a loose term, because that's some Donald Trump-level fake news there compiled by someone who clearly has it out for Discovery. Outside of the summary of Les Moonves' departure from CBS, there's not a single piece of information in there that is based on actual facts - the breakdown of subscribers comes close, but even there it's full of speculation. It's also important to understand that CBS has never stated what they consider success for Star Trek to be. Yes, Moonves gave a target for subscribers in 2020 - but that's an overall target, and isn't being hung solely on Star Trek.
Let's also be clear - failures don't get spinoffs. Short Treks did well enough for them to invest in doing two more episodes to follow Disco S2. The Picard show, Lower Decks, potentially Starfleet Academy - all happening because Discovery is doing something right. Heck: even if you want to make the argument that all of those spinoffs exist just because CBS is trying to overcome Discovery's shortcomings (which your "source" posits), I'd love to hear the explanation for the Section 31 show headed by Michelle Yeoh as her Discovery character if Disco is doing so badly.
Also, I want to make clear: I hope Discovery rights the ship, starts paying real attention to canon, and comes back to Star Trek's roots. I really want to like Discovery, and be able to look back at S1 as the beginning seasons of the other shows before they found their footing. But they're going to need to do almost a full reset to get me there, given how far they've strayed.
I might recommend S2 then - S1 wasn't without its flaws, and they're doing a solid job of putting many of those weaknesses behind them.
Star Trek shows we know of CBS is planning:
Ceti Alpha V {And, no. Mister Montalban will not be Khan}
Reliant {Speculated to be Trek from the title being the name of a known Starfleet wessel}
Georgiou's show {Direct spin-off of Disco}
A different Section 31 show {Also Disco Era?}
Picard's show
Lower Decks
Sounds like Disco really torpedoed CBS's faith in Star Trek.
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
Looks like Kol has some good Arena burst damage. Might come in handy for the skirmish
Pretty solid, but it's a shame about his activation delay. 12 seconds is way too long for me, but he will probably benefit those who don't have Killy/T'Kuvma/etc.
Do any 5* Ships have that Trigger? None of mine do.
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
So gutted Bridge officer Number One wasn’t the Mega Event Recurrant Featured crew reward. Not impressed it’s Kol of House Kor instead.
Sometimes I wonder if DB actually understand what the players want or they just throw a dart at a board of choices while blindfolded.
Pretty certain that DB do. Kol is waiting at 22.5k threshold
These 2 seat shuttles are killing me. I only have so many useful COM and SEC crew to properly fill the seats. I really need some shuttles with “and” skills
Looks like Kol has some good Arena burst damage. Might come in handy for the skirmish
Pretty solid, but it's a shame about his activation delay. 12 seconds is way too long for me, but he will probably benefit those who don't have Killy/T'Kuvma/etc.
Do any 5* Ships have that Trigger? None of mine do.
Actually, it hasn't done well so far. The first season numbers were very disappointing to CBS, and most industry speculation is that Disco only got a second season because Netflix essentially paid for the entirety of Season 1's production costs (and it didn't pay off for Netflix, which is why CBS had to offer the Short Treks at a steal to them after expecting to sell them for top dollar). If the numbers don't spike quite a bit with the new showrunners changing direction, it probably won't get a S3. The spin-offs are considered a desperate lunge to find something that sticks with the fans so salvage some of the development costs.
Are there any ENG slots? I cycled through a few times already using time reducers and I don't recall using Time Loop Mudd for anything other than SEC. With the x2 event bonus, he's my #1 base ENG, so that seems conspicuous.
'Patchwork' for Klingon Empire seems to be the only ENG slot I've seen so far.
(3x slot; CMD / SEC / ENG.)
Cook beans. This would be a convenient weekend for some ENG-primary Voyages... *crosses fingers*
Bourbon and beans are an explosive combination, especially with marsh melons.
It is clearly doing well as CBS is expanding and creating two more trek shows including one with Georgiou as lead.
Actually, it hasn't done well so far. The first season numbers were very disappointing to CBS, and most industry speculation is that Disco only got a second season because Netflix essentially paid for the entirety of Season 1's production costs (and it didn't pay off for Netflix, which is why CBS had to offer the Short Treks at a steal to them after expecting to sell them for top dollar). If the numbers don't spike quite a bit with the new showrunners changing direction, it probably won't get a S3. The spin-offs are considered a desperate lunge to find something that sticks with the fans so salvage some of the development costs.
Um, could you cite your source for this?
I don't think I'm supposed to post outside links here (I forget what rules are for which forum I use), but search Youtube for Star Trek Discovery CBS Moonves, vid title is "Star Trek Discovery: The Firing of Les Moonves and the Failure of the Shorts." It pulls together a lot of the different data I'd been seeing in various reports.
Watched it..."data" is a loose term, because that's some Donald Trump-level fake news there compiled by someone who clearly has it out for Discovery. Outside of the summary of Les Moonves' departure from CBS, there's not a single piece of information in there that is based on actual facts - the breakdown of subscribers comes close, but even there it's full of speculation. It's also important to understand that CBS has never stated what they consider success for Star Trek to be. Yes, Moonves gave a target for subscribers in 2020 - but that's an overall target, and isn't being hung solely on Star Trek.
Let's also be clear - failures don't get spinoffs. Short Treks did well enough for them to invest in doing two more episodes to follow Disco S2. The Picard show, Lower Decks, potentially Starfleet Academy - all happening because Discovery is doing something right. Heck: even if you want to make the argument that all of those spinoffs exist just because CBS is trying to overcome Discovery's shortcomings (which your "source" posits), I'd love to hear the explanation for the Section 31 show headed by Michelle Yeoh as her Discovery character if Disco is doing so badly.
Also, I want to make clear: I hope Discovery rights the ship, starts paying real attention to canon, and comes back to Star Trek's roots. I really want to like Discovery, and be able to look back at S1 as the beginning seasons of the other shows before they found their footing. But they're going to need to do almost a full reset to get me there, given how far they've strayed.
I might recommend S2 then - S1 wasn't without its flaws, and they're doing a solid job of putting many of those weaknesses behind them.
Star Trek shows we know of CBS is planning:
Ceti Alpha V {And, no. Mister Montalban will not be Khan}
Reliant {Speculated to be Trek from the title being the name of a known Starfleet wessel}
Georgiou's show {Direct spin-off of Disco}
A different Section 31 show {Also Disco Era?}
Picard's show
Lower Decks
Sounds like Disco really torpedoed CBS's faith in Star Trek.
These all look promising! I don't know if they will cancel STD or not, you can never tell about these things. UPN cancelled Enterprise, and it was their #1 show, go figure.
With any luck, CBS will learn from all of the horrible terrible mistakes with STD, and apply that wisdom to the new shows.
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I don't think I'm supposed to post outside links here (I forget what rules are for which forum I use), but search Youtube for Star Trek Discovery CBS Moonves, vid title is "Star Trek Discovery: The Firing of Les Moonves and the Failure of the Shorts." It pulls together a lot of the different data I'd been seeing in various reports.
Also, I want to make clear: I hope Discovery rights the ship, starts paying real attention to canon, and comes back to Star Trek's roots. I really want to like Discovery, and be able to look back at S1 as the beginning seasons of the other shows before they found their footing. But they're going to need to do almost a full reset to get me there, given how far they've strayed.
Yeah, I realise that. I don’t think they should have Number One at all though.
Why not? Number One WAS Pike's Number One on the Enterprise.
I've been running Section 31 because they have holoprograms.
I spent a lot of resources on Time Loop Mudd. I was hoping he would be more helpful. I haven't used him yet.
And they recast Pike and Spock (twice!) so I’m not sure why Number One is such sacrilege.
Now you know JJVerse gonna be a trigger!!!!!!
Pleasantly surprised that the shuttles seem to be heavy CMD/DIP/SEC, as the cynic in me was worried it was going to be a bunch of SCI missions for Tilly.
Bruh, Midnight’s Edge literally just makes stuff up to rile people. He offers no sources for his claims ever.
I guarantee you, CBS would have to be run by the most irresponsible business managers ever if they saw Discovery was floundering she threw more money at it by developing several spinoffs and other new series.
I think they know exactly what players want (in this case, anyway)... they knew there'd be a lot more interest in Number One, so they made her the one that people will have to spend money to get more stars on. If Kol was the ranked reward, there wouldn't be nearly the interest, imo, and they would make significantly less money.
Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
Even TOS recast Pike, it's not Jeffrey Hunter under the melty-face makeup in 'The Menagerie'. If you count the Kelvinverse that's four of him now.
Plus it's just good food hygiene. If you eat 'em raw you toot a lot. Just sayin'.
The Sci I keep getting is Sci/Med, so Doctor Hugh goes in that Seat for me.
Watched it..."data" is a loose term, because that's some Donald Trump-level fake news there compiled by someone who clearly has it out for Discovery. Outside of the summary of Les Moonves' departure from CBS, there's not a single piece of information in there that is based on actual facts - the breakdown of subscribers comes close, but even there it's full of speculation. It's also important to understand that CBS has never stated what they consider success for Star Trek to be. Yes, Moonves gave a target for subscribers in 2020 - but that's an overall target, and isn't being hung solely on Star Trek.
Let's also be clear - failures don't get spinoffs. Short Treks did well enough for them to invest in doing two more episodes to follow Disco S2. The Picard show, Lower Decks, potentially Starfleet Academy - all happening because Discovery is doing something right. Heck: even if you want to make the argument that all of those spinoffs exist just because CBS is trying to overcome Discovery's shortcomings (which your "source" posits), I'd love to hear the explanation for the Section 31 show headed by Michelle Yeoh as her Discovery character if Disco is doing so badly.
I might recommend S2 then - S1 wasn't without its flaws, and they're doing a solid job of putting many of those weaknesses behind them.
Pretty solid, but it's a shame about his activation delay. 12 seconds is way too long for me, but he will probably benefit those who don't have Killy/T'Kuvma/etc.
Star Trek shows we know of CBS is planning:
Ceti Alpha V {And, no. Mister Montalban will not be Khan}
Reliant {Speculated to be Trek from the title being the name of a known Starfleet wessel}
Georgiou's show {Direct spin-off of Disco}
A different Section 31 show {Also Disco Era?}
Picard's show
Lower Decks
Sounds like Disco really torpedoed CBS's faith in Star Trek.
Do any 5* Ships have that Trigger? None of mine do.
Pretty certain that DB do. Kol is waiting at 22.5k threshold
HMS Bounty and IKS T'Ong have the cloak trigger
THIS.
Thank you so much!
Bourbon and beans are an explosive combination, especially with marsh melons.
...and its a BIG job...
These all look promising! I don't know if they will cancel STD or not, you can never tell about these things. UPN cancelled Enterprise, and it was their #1 show, go figure.
With any luck, CBS will learn from all of the horrible terrible mistakes with STD, and apply that wisdom to the new shows.