Thank you, @Shan .
I was about to point out that a DOZEN people asking a question within an hour or so of a crew going live merits an answer, regardless of who asks. It was simply something more experienced and analytical players would notice first. Even I hadn't really looked at the stats for him yet, besides a cursory glance. I knew he'd be good, but I hadn't done any checking yet by the time the interobang storm went off.
W.W. CarlislePlayed since January 20, 2019Captain Level- 99 (May 9, 2022)VIP 14Crew Quarters: 485/485Most recent/Lowest- Anbo-jyutsu Kyle Riker (1/5* Lvl 30) 5/29/23Immortalized x-866 5* x184, 4* x 490, 3* x91, 2* x62, and 1* x27Most recent Immortal - Tearful Janeway 4* 5/25/23Current non-event project- Improving my Science base skill. Retrieval Project- Mestral 1/5*
Just to clarify mine, Auto's and Stars positions with the Devs. We ask them to do a Q&A, they come and do a Q&A. That's it. We don't have pull/sway and any kind of intention to alter the game based on our whims.
If we did, this would be the least of our concerns. Auto does what a player does, point out that wow, his stats are bonkers, was this intentional? Because we know that they have a history with stat changes and the occasional error.
So @Banjo1012@BarnBurner@Trollita@Thurthorad please check your facts before you spread misinformation around because it isn't clever, it isn't productive and it certainly doesn't help the tone of these forums.
His stats were mentioned by others and nothing. Auto mentions it and gets an immediate “yes sir. We gotchoo my friend”. Bad look. I agree that the payroll thing is a bit much but I do believe the influence is there. You can say it isn’t all you want, it doesn’t make it so.
12:30: Event thread posted
2:20: First comment about stats by robownage
2:22: Auto comments and asks if they're right
: 9 additional posts
3:38: Shan responds that they're reviewing the stats
If you're going to create a conspiracy theory, at least get your facts straight.
They are straight according to your timeline. And I’m not saying the dudes rule the roost. All I’m saying is they are listened to when others not so much
Auto was the second person to comment and was 2 minutes after the first. Then an hour passes with 9 comments before Shan responds. That's not "His stats were mentioned by others and nothing. Auto mentions it and gets an immediate “yes sir. We gotchoo my friend”."
By the time Shan responded there were 11 comments, 10 by other players. Unless you think Shan should have been monitoring every comment and responded in the 2 minutes between the first comment and when Auto commented, I don't know how you can say Shan only reacted to Auto.
Host a podcast, talk to a single employee on air 4 times and then point out a glaring potential error?
Shill, employee, on the take.
Go to Boston, meet DB 2 years in a row, get drunk with staff, have picture taken with Radoff. Get given 1 of a kind book of in-game artwork. Suggest crew that gets made. Interview staff for forums. Get staff on non-official community Discord to discuss game/issues. Complain x50 about errors. Point out cards that don't drop in loot table despite being advertised. Point out David Marcus is coded as a 3*.
'Valued Community Member'
If you're just now figuring out that the players do QA for this game, you're about 5 years too late on that realization.
You're mad someone (third one to do it in the thread by the way) called out stats that were way outside the norm. The team looked and said "oh yeah, oops". Not mad at TPWRGDB, mad at the player who makes community tools that you all use. Do you know how many times Paladin has quietly DM'd Shan about an issue to get it fixed? Do you know how many times I emailed Nod back in the day to track down and get an issue fixed? Nope. Because they weren't public. You claim they 'listen' to a podcast host, but do you mind they listen to the guy that has gotten First to Max on 1/5th of the available cards in the game? Or is that OK because he keeps the lights on?
I seriously used to keep a tally of every QA snafu that players caught and brought up to the team. Then I stopped because it simply showed that history frequently repeats itself, however if you look at the bigger picture, they tend to get more things 'right' vs getting them wrong.
Lots, and I do mean LOTS of cards have been released into the vault or into players crew rosters that required time and/or money - and then were changed/nerfed by the devs. This is not the first card, nor will it be the last. This is only a controversy compared to the rest because of the presumed #1 voyage rank the card held for about 90 minutes....a rank, by the way, only known to the spreadsheet jockeys of the game. John Q Player has no idea what rank a new card holds and has to go consult an external website or tool hosted by - you guessed it! - spreadsheet jockeys of the game who quickly and efficiently tally information to make it available to the public for the greater benefit. This perceived slight against you didn't impact you unless you were on the forums and reading this thread - which by the numbers I can see, is about 40 people. That's not even a full fleet.
The Sato argument doesn't fit here for a long variety of reasons including but not limited to:
-When Sato/Keiko were released, the 'CHECK THE STATS' messages were 10 fold what this was. No one believed it, then when it was verified, no one believed it. Base stats were crazy high. Those aren't voyage cards AT ALL. They are shuttle cards. People don't clamor for a shuttle card the same they do for a voyage card. And yet, DB released those two in 2018 and then backed off, saying "OK, there are occasional crazy cards, but most will be of the standard variety".
Before Shan nukes this thread from orbit, some of you should *really* reconsider why you are on these forums. Your interaction with other players shows that you lack the skills to be functioning adults in the real world, because you clearly want to take up arms against someone you've never met over a video game character. The quick snap to judgement, name calling and accusations against someone else - which are all clearly unfounded, wrong and deliberately hostile by the way - should make most everyone else that reads this thread embarrassed to share this public forum with you.
It does me.
Like every argument, there’s two sides, two factions. In this day and age of what has been going on in the world this is hardly as embarrassing as things I see being tossed out there daily.
To be fair there are other threads that popped up showing surprise at the original stats. Plus other game chats showing surprise. Mainly in the context of how they want more competitive events with higher stat characters lately.
Not the hugest of nukes - he falls to the #6 overall best Voyager without bonuses.
Lots of voyage ready traits, too! Not just Human, Federation, and Starfleet, but with Exobiology, Costumed, and Survivalist. Surprised that's only good enough for a 62.8% chance at a seat match (per the Viable Voyager tool).
Not the hugest of nukes - he falls to the #6 overall best Voyager without bonuses.
But he drops 255 points which is very disappointing. They should have still kept him number one voyager.
Oh, 100%. I'm okay with Spork not being dethroned quite so quickly, but it really does make him massively less appealing.
Crazy that we have three new entries to the Top 10 overall Voyagers introduced to the game within a week of each other (Dexa is #5). Power creep is still definitely happening, if not as drastically as we thought yesterday.
Not the hugest of nukes - he falls to the #6 overall best Voyager without bonuses.
But he drops 255 points which is very disappointing. They should have still kept him number one voyager.
Oh, 100%. I'm okay with Spork not being dethroned quite so quickly, but it really does make him massively less appealing.
Crazy that we have three new entries to the Top 10 overall Voyagers introduced to the game within a week of each other (Dexa is #5). Power creep is still definitely happening, if not as drastically as we thought yesterday.
It taints what otherwise would have been an awesome card and special as it is unusual to see a Doug Jones without all the makeup, prosthetics and appliances. It is very quick and easy to check voyage scores, I don’t understand how TP made this mistake if it was a mistake. I was so excited about this mega, now I am not.
If Saru had launched at 6 people would have been excited, especially as a main cast with good traits compared to Dexa. But because of the mistake people now think #6 now taints this version of Saru?
Right now we have 3 5* in the mega announced. The recurring is ranked 25, Dexa and Saru both around 6 depending on which list you look at. Personally that sounds like a good start compared to the 5* from the previous mega.
If Saru had launched at 6 people would have been excited, especially as a main cast with good traits compared to Dexa. But because of the mistake people now think #6 now taints this version of Saru?
Right now we have 3 5* in the mega announced. The recurring is ranked 25, Dexa and Saru both around 6 depending on which list you look at. Personally that sounds like a good start compared to the 5* from the previous mega.
Present people one thing and then change that thing to something worse of course people will be disappointed. You know this. Don’t pretend otherwise. The memory of the nerf of stats will stay with the card just as it does with polywater. Glad they didn’t nerf it after we got the card but it has dampened my excitement for the mega as it did others and will reduce how much people spend on this mega.
Just to clarify mine, Auto's and Stars positions with the Devs. We ask them to do a Q&A, they come and do a Q&A. That's it. We don't have pull/sway and any kind of intention to alter the game based on our whims.
If we did, this would be the least of our concerns. Auto does what a player does, point out that wow, his stats are bonkers, was this intentional? Because we know that they have a history with stat changes and the occasional error.
So @Banjo1012@BarnBurner@Trollita@Thurthorad please check your facts before you spread misinformation around because it isn't clever, it isn't productive and it certainly doesn't help the tone of these forums.
His stats were mentioned by others and nothing. Auto mentions it and gets an immediate “yes sir. We gotchoo my friend”. Bad look. I agree that the payroll thing is a bit much but I do believe the influence is there. You can say it isn’t all you want, it doesn’t make it so.
12:30: Event thread posted
2:20: First comment about stats by robownage
2:22: Auto comments and asks if they're right
: 9 additional posts
3:38: Shan responds that they're reviewing the stats
If you're going to create a conspiracy theory, at least get your facts straight.
They are straight according to your timeline. And I’m not saying the dudes rule the roost. All I’m saying is they are listened to when others not so much
Auto was the second person to comment and was 2 minutes after the first. Then an hour passes with 9 comments before Shan responds. That's not "His stats were mentioned by others and nothing. Auto mentions it and gets an immediate “yes sir. We gotchoo my friend”."
By the time Shan responded there were 11 comments, 10 by other players. Unless you think Shan should have been monitoring every comment and responded in the 2 minutes between the first comment and when Auto commented, I don't know how you can say Shan only reacted to Auto.
In a place famous for “if you do the math you will see it is entirely possible” is the rallying cry
all's well on Saru ... not that I cared much anyway ...
but Waddle is kinda a stellar voyager that we all get 4/5 (instant cite in my book) ... a free Prisoner Kim for all ... with a Klingon tag and decent traits for voyages.
I have to say, Waddle is kinda nuts ... will be used by players for the coming years 100% ... not like some other Klingons we've had in megas (outside of Tenavik).
I'd completely forgotten to check his stats before, he's great!
Between Barry and EV Suit Worf, I'm starting to think my 3/5 Ba'ul may not see additional cites for a while.
I am disappointed his ship ability isn't named, "fish juice, hot fish juice" but I suppose it loses something without the italics.
Six degrees in Inter-species Veterinary Medicine. Treating all manner of critters, from Tribbles to Humans.
If Saru had launched at 6 people would have been excited, especially as a main cast with good traits compared to Dexa. But because of the mistake people now think #6 now taints this version of Saru?
Right now we have 3 5* in the mega announced. The recurring is ranked 25, Dexa and Saru both around 6 depending on which list you look at. Personally that sounds like a good start compared to the 5* from the previous mega.
And those positions hinge on your having all existing crew immortal. Young and maturing rosters will welcome him with open arms, as is. Considering I have 3 at 1/5* (Gary Seven, FO Burnham, and Sinister Picard), with a fourth (Boothby) weighing to come in, I would be happy to score a Saru or Dexa. Either one would be #2 or #3, if I'd get both, on my roster.
They caught it early and fixed a mistake. It didn't happen mid event. It happened TWO WEEKS before the event he's in and one before you have to go for him. I don't see the problem with them being prompt about correcting a mistake. The old stats were nice, but the new ones aren't bad either from the viewpoint of a lot of players. He's a great addition to what 80-85% of rosters? He's not horrible on any roster. He's still third highest main cast and second highest non-fusion main cast.
W.W. CarlislePlayed since January 20, 2019Captain Level- 99 (May 9, 2022)VIP 14Crew Quarters: 485/485Most recent/Lowest- Anbo-jyutsu Kyle Riker (1/5* Lvl 30) 5/29/23Immortalized x-866 5* x184, 4* x 490, 3* x91, 2* x62, and 1* x27Most recent Immortal - Tearful Janeway 4* 5/25/23Current non-event project- Improving my Science base skill. Retrieval Project- Mestral 1/5*
Not the hugest of nukes - he falls to the #6 overall best Voyager without bonuses.
Lots of voyage ready traits, too! Not just Human, Federation, and Starfleet, but with Exobiology, Costumed, and Survivalist. Surprised that's only good enough for a 62.8% chance at a seat match (per the Viable Voyager tool).
Great observation. There's a couple things to keep in mind. While he may match a voyage trait "only" 62.8% of the time, that is very good for non-MED crew. Add in the #6 voyage total, and he's pretty much guaranteed a seat on your voyage if he matches a trait, unless you have SIX 5/5 copies of Spork and all the possible seats are Human, Starfleet, Federation, or Vulcan. THEN add in the factor that (in my unscientifically tested/calculated estimation) a point difference of roughly 300 points compensates for not matching a trait. THEN add in the very low Voyage Variance (just over 5%).
The pools for Starfleet and Federation are large, but Humaru is near the top. The pools for Exobiology and Costumed are relatively small. Humaru can either fill a gap for you, or be a significant improvement over your previous option.
What you have is a very solid voyager. Human Saru will trait match over half of voyages, beat out most of your roster in sheer power (even in a crowded combo), and provide reliable voyage power (with low variance) for both the 10-hour and 12-hour voyage crowds.
If you have one 5/5 Spork and one 5/5 Humaru, then your voyages with DIP or SCI, or any combo of CMD/DIP/SCI are bound to be significantly improved over this time last week.
I still wish Humaru's voyage total were 100 points higher, but hey... he's very solid even as-is.
Edit: Stats and rankings are without bonuses and only include 3-skill 5/5 crew. This strictly from a voyage perspective, so I didn't mention his two collections or event potential as main cast or shuttle power or how horrible he is in gauntlet and arena.
Just to clarify mine, Auto's and Stars positions with the Devs. We ask them to do a Q&A, they come and do a Q&A. That's it. We don't have pull/sway and any kind of intention to alter the game based on our whims.
If we did, this would be the least of our concerns. Auto does what a player does, point out that wow, his stats are bonkers, was this intentional? Because we know that they have a history with stat changes and the occasional error.
So @Banjo1012@BarnBurner@Trollita@Thurthorad please check your facts before you spread misinformation around because it isn't clever, it isn't productive and it certainly doesn't help the tone of these forums.
His stats were mentioned by others and nothing. Auto mentions it and gets an immediate “yes sir. We gotchoo my friend”. Bad look. I agree that the payroll thing is a bit much but I do believe the influence is there. You can say it isn’t all you want, it doesn’t make it so.
All of this took place around the same time. Yet you're only blaming one person. Isn't it much more likely that they were listening to all the people who brought it up?
Just to clarify mine, Auto's and Stars positions with the Devs. We ask them to do a Q&A, they come and do a Q&A. That's it. We don't have pull/sway and any kind of intention to alter the game based on our whims.
If we did, this would be the least of our concerns. Auto does what a player does, point out that wow, his stats are bonkers, was this intentional? Because we know that they have a history with stat changes and the occasional error.
So @Banjo1012@BarnBurner@Trollita@Thurthorad please check your facts before you spread misinformation around because it isn't clever, it isn't productive and it certainly doesn't help the tone of these forums.
His stats were mentioned by others and nothing. Auto mentions it and gets an immediate “yes sir. We gotchoo my friend”. Bad look. I agree that the payroll thing is a bit much but I do believe the influence is there. You can say it isn’t all you want, it doesn’t make it so.
Yeah. Maybe the payroll thing is a bit much, but neither auto or idol addressed it. Regardless i agree that denying they have any sway or pull is not going to change the evidence to the contrary.
I don't think the payroll thing is even worth addressing as it's so blatantly ridiculous. But I also think it's ridiculous of them to pretend they don't have more influence than the average player. No one's pretending they are suddenly running the game, but Shan and Ben are going to take more notice of them because they have a relationship and trust them.
Agreed on the payroll comment. It's bad enough people on here make targeted attacks on the staff and company, but now we've sunk to making targeted attacks on some of the players who've done the most to help the game? 🤦🏻♂️
After all @Automaton_2000 has done, all the work put in by him, and others like him, that we all benefit from, people should take a step back and use a little [Spock]logic[/Spock]. Why would he be trying to harm the game after all he's done to help it?
Even if his input is heard more loudly than the average user of this forum, I think at this point he's earned it. I also don't think he would use any "influence", which he may or may not have, maliciously. I think he's not only earned the benefit of the doubt, but far more respect than some have shown him here.
Just to clarify mine, Auto's and Stars positions with the Devs. We ask them to do a Q&A, they come and do a Q&A. That's it. We don't have pull/sway and any kind of intention to alter the game based on our whims.
If we did, this would be the least of our concerns. Auto does what a player does, point out that wow, his stats are bonkers, was this intentional? Because we know that they have a history with stat changes and the occasional error.
So @Banjo1012@BarnBurner@Trollita@Thurthorad please check your facts before you spread misinformation around because it isn't clever, it isn't productive and it certainly doesn't help the tone of these forums.
His stats were mentioned by others and nothing. Auto mentions it and gets an immediate “yes sir. We gotchoo my friend”. Bad look. I agree that the payroll thing is a bit much but I do believe the influence is there. You can say it isn’t all you want, it doesn’t make it so.
Yeah. Maybe the payroll thing is a bit much, but neither auto or idol addressed it. Regardless i agree that denying they have any sway or pull is not going to change the evidence to the contrary.
I don't think the payroll thing is even worth addressing as it's so blatantly ridiculous. But I also think it's ridiculous of them to pretend they don't have more influence than the average player. No one's pretending they are suddenly running the game, but Shan and Ben are going to take more notice of them because they have a relationship and trust them.
And spreadsheets. Don't forget the spreadsheets. Having that system of comparing crew establishes a basis in fact for any observations they may express. They got the crew added to their spreadsheet faster than I did for the Viable Voyager Tool and presented their observation and questioned if it was accurate since it was well outside of recent norms.
I would have made a similar observation as far as the overall rank and percentage difference from the next best crew using my spreadsheet. And there was already buzz about the stats. This may well have been an inevitable outcome. There was just some timing that made people suspicious. Auto wasn't the first to mention the stats. He was just the one who presented related data in questioning the numbers.
This is totally on point as well. As someone who handles spreadsheets, the data, and any oddities, are going to stand out more to those that work with the data much more closely. They are more likely to see any discrepancies than the average player. I dare say these players spend more time analysing the game than a lot of people at TP. Take that for what you will.
Most of the first page of this thread is made of comments wondering about or celebrating the incredibly good stats of that card. It's perfectly possible that WRG would have reviewed it regardless of Automaton's comment.
If no one pointed out anything, maybe they would have only realized what they did in two weeks and at that point, there would have been two options:
- Yargate 2.0
- Leaving things as they are
We have no idea what would have happened. What we have now is mildly annoying, but much better than another Yargate.
+1 to all of this. I get people are mad, but inventing conspiracies and trying to find scapegoats isn't a good look. Especially when there is a much more logical explanation.
Just to clarify mine, Auto's and Stars positions with the Devs. We ask them to do a Q&A, they come and do a Q&A. That's it. We don't have pull/sway and any kind of intention to alter the game based on our whims.
If we did, this would be the least of our concerns. Auto does what a player does, point out that wow, his stats are bonkers, was this intentional? Because we know that they have a history with stat changes and the occasional error.
So @Banjo1012@BarnBurner@Trollita@Thurthorad please check your facts before you spread misinformation around because it isn't clever, it isn't productive and it certainly doesn't help the tone of these forums.
His stats were mentioned by others and nothing. Auto mentions it and gets an immediate “yes sir. We gotchoo my friend”. Bad look. I agree that the payroll thing is a bit much but I do believe the influence is there. You can say it isn’t all you want, it doesn’t make it so.
12:30: Event thread posted
2:20: First comment about stats by robownage
2:22: Auto comments and asks if they're right
: 9 additional posts
3:38: Shan responds that they're reviewing the stats
If you're going to create a conspiracy theory, at least get your facts straight.
Thank you for providing the... Timelines of the events. Sorry, couldn't resist the terrible pun 😅
Anyone targeting one specific player or propagating conspiracy theories should do a little more investigating next time, before making accusations that have no basis in fact.
Just to clarify mine, Auto's and Stars positions with the Devs. We ask them to do a Q&A, they come and do a Q&A. That's it. We don't have pull/sway and any kind of intention to alter the game based on our whims.
If we did, this would be the least of our concerns. Auto does what a player does, point out that wow, his stats are bonkers, was this intentional? Because we know that they have a history with stat changes and the occasional error.
So @Banjo1012@BarnBurner@Trollita@Thurthorad please check your facts before you spread misinformation around because it isn't clever, it isn't productive and it certainly doesn't help the tone of these forums.
His stats were mentioned by others and nothing. Auto mentions it and gets an immediate “yes sir. We gotchoo my friend”. Bad look. I agree that the payroll thing is a bit much but I do believe the influence is there. You can say it isn’t all you want, it doesn’t make it so.
12:30: Event thread posted
2:20: First comment about stats by robownage
2:22: Auto comments and asks if they're right
: 9 additional posts
3:38: Shan responds that they're reviewing the stats
If you're going to create a conspiracy theory, at least get your facts straight.
They are straight according to your timeline. And I’m not saying the dudes rule the roost. All I’m saying is they are listened to when others not so much
Auto was the second person to comment and was 2 minutes after the first. Then an hour passes with 9 comments before Shan responds. That's not "His stats were mentioned by others and nothing. Auto mentions it and gets an immediate “yes sir. We gotchoo my friend”."
By the time Shan responded there were 11 comments, 10 by other players. Unless you think Shan should have been monitoring every comment and responded in the 2 minutes between the first comment and when Auto commented, I don't know how you can say Shan only reacted to Auto.
I honestly can't believe that all of this is over what is still an amazing card, that is still the top 6th highest voyager in the entire game. A mistake that they fixed before anyone had him, which avoided a much bigger issue if it was during or after the event. Seriously? This is what people threw mud at other players for?
Does anyone honestly think this was anything other than an accident? TP was never going to release a card that took the #1 spot from a card that had just been released. Especially after how long Braxton had top spot.
Can we please save the torches and pitchforks for something that really matters next time? And try not to burn players at the stake for being honest and ethical? Thanks.
How about we move on?
This may sound like an odd question from a player 26 months in, but how do skills get calculated for shuttles? Voyage considers base and prof. Is shuttle purely base? I keep thinking some was talking about high bases making good shuttle crew.
Since there are two scheduled this Mega, I thought I would take a hard look at what I had on hand for them and decide who to work on that will give me the most use. Costumed will work in both events; crew variants just one. I don't have many Troi or Saru variants to worry about anyway.
I'm fairly certain I have enough costumed crew on hand that I won't need to thaw any, since I do keep my better purples on hand, ex. Victorian Pulaski is my tenth best for Dip base, so she's still out, (6 of my 30 immortal golds have the trait and a similar ratio of my remaining crew do to) unless they are the existing.
W.W. CarlislePlayed since January 20, 2019Captain Level- 99 (May 9, 2022)VIP 14Crew Quarters: 485/485Most recent/Lowest- Anbo-jyutsu Kyle Riker (1/5* Lvl 30) 5/29/23Immortalized x-866 5* x184, 4* x 490, 3* x91, 2* x62, and 1* x27Most recent Immortal - Tearful Janeway 4* 5/25/23Current non-event project- Improving my Science base skill. Retrieval Project- Mestral 1/5*
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I was about to point out that a DOZEN people asking a question within an hour or so of a crew going live merits an answer, regardless of who asks. It was simply something more experienced and analytical players would notice first. Even I hadn't really looked at the stats for him yet, besides a cursory glance. I knew he'd be good, but I hadn't done any checking yet by the time the interobang storm went off.
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Auto was the second person to comment and was 2 minutes after the first. Then an hour passes with 9 comments before Shan responds. That's not "His stats were mentioned by others and nothing. Auto mentions it and gets an immediate “yes sir. We gotchoo my friend”."
By the time Shan responded there were 11 comments, 10 by other players. Unless you think Shan should have been monitoring every comment and responded in the 2 minutes between the first comment and when Auto commented, I don't know how you can say Shan only reacted to Auto.
Like every argument, there’s two sides, two factions. In this day and age of what has been going on in the world this is hardly as embarrassing as things I see being tossed out there daily.
Not the hugest of nukes - he falls to the #6 overall best Voyager without bonuses.
But he drops 255 voyage points which is very disappointing. They should have still kept him the number one voyager.
Lots of voyage ready traits, too! Not just Human, Federation, and Starfleet, but with Exobiology, Costumed, and Survivalist. Surprised that's only good enough for a 62.8% chance at a seat match (per the Viable Voyager tool).
Oh, 100%. I'm okay with Spork not being dethroned quite so quickly, but it really does make him massively less appealing.
Crazy that we have three new entries to the Top 10 overall Voyagers introduced to the game within a week of each other (Dexa is #5). Power creep is still definitely happening, if not as drastically as we thought yesterday.
It taints what otherwise would have been an awesome card and special as it is unusual to see a Doug Jones without all the makeup, prosthetics and appliances. It is very quick and easy to check voyage scores, I don’t understand how TP made this mistake if it was a mistake. I was so excited about this mega, now I am not.
But on a positive note, saves me a buch of leg cites and (lot’s) of money,
since i won t do a dupe(or even 2 as i had planned).
Sarus Voyages Total Stats went down by 255 !!! points.
So going from #1 Voyager to #6 only. All numbers unboosted stats.
Before
After
Exactly, but it seems they had some troubles to find a middle way. 😐
Interesting view. His Original stats were 181 points over the previous number
1 voyagers, and now nerfing him by even 255, seems OK? Weird.
Nerfing him by 100-200 would be OK, imho, but not by 255.
I wonder if Charlie Brill is as excited to be immortalized in a mobile game as he obviously was to get to ham it up as Arne Darvin again?
He's still a good card, and if they had bothered to do any QA and released it with these numbers we would be celebrating it.
Am I disappointed? You betcha. But I think the moaning and groaning has been done to death in this thread and didn't feel like adding to it again.
Right now we have 3 5* in the mega announced. The recurring is ranked 25, Dexa and Saru both around 6 depending on which list you look at. Personally that sounds like a good start compared to the 5* from the previous mega.
Present people one thing and then change that thing to something worse of course people will be disappointed. You know this. Don’t pretend otherwise. The memory of the nerf of stats will stay with the card just as it does with polywater. Glad they didn’t nerf it after we got the card but it has dampened my excitement for the mega as it did others and will reduce how much people spend on this mega.
In a place famous for “if you do the math you will see it is entirely possible” is the rallying cry
Between Barry and EV Suit Worf, I'm starting to think my 3/5 Ba'ul may not see additional cites for a while.
I am disappointed his ship ability isn't named, "fish juice, hot fish juice" but I suppose it loses something without the italics.
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And those positions hinge on your having all existing crew immortal. Young and maturing rosters will welcome him with open arms, as is. Considering I have 3 at 1/5* (Gary Seven, FO Burnham, and Sinister Picard), with a fourth (Boothby) weighing to come in, I would be happy to score a Saru or Dexa. Either one would be #2 or #3, if I'd get both, on my roster.
They caught it early and fixed a mistake. It didn't happen mid event. It happened TWO WEEKS before the event he's in and one before you have to go for him. I don't see the problem with them being prompt about correcting a mistake. The old stats were nice, but the new ones aren't bad either from the viewpoint of a lot of players. He's a great addition to what 80-85% of rosters? He's not horrible on any roster. He's still third highest main cast and second highest non-fusion main cast.
Good with me, Burnham’s great! Let’s fly!
Fixed it for you
Great observation. There's a couple things to keep in mind. While he may match a voyage trait "only" 62.8% of the time, that is very good for non-MED crew. Add in the #6 voyage total, and he's pretty much guaranteed a seat on your voyage if he matches a trait, unless you have SIX 5/5 copies of Spork and all the possible seats are Human, Starfleet, Federation, or Vulcan. THEN add in the factor that (in my unscientifically tested/calculated estimation) a point difference of roughly 300 points compensates for not matching a trait. THEN add in the very low Voyage Variance (just over 5%).
The pools for Starfleet and Federation are large, but Humaru is near the top. The pools for Exobiology and Costumed are relatively small. Humaru can either fill a gap for you, or be a significant improvement over your previous option.
What you have is a very solid voyager. Human Saru will trait match over half of voyages, beat out most of your roster in sheer power (even in a crowded combo), and provide reliable voyage power (with low variance) for both the 10-hour and 12-hour voyage crowds.
If you have one 5/5 Spork and one 5/5 Humaru, then your voyages with DIP or SCI, or any combo of CMD/DIP/SCI are bound to be significantly improved over this time last week.
I still wish Humaru's voyage total were 100 points higher, but hey... he's very solid even as-is.
Edit: Stats and rankings are without bonuses and only include 3-skill 5/5 crew. This strictly from a voyage perspective, so I didn't mention his two collections or event potential as main cast or shuttle power or how horrible he is in gauntlet and arena.
Haha! Well done
All of this took place around the same time. Yet you're only blaming one person. Isn't it much more likely that they were listening to all the people who brought it up?
Agreed on the payroll comment. It's bad enough people on here make targeted attacks on the staff and company, but now we've sunk to making targeted attacks on some of the players who've done the most to help the game? 🤦🏻♂️
After all @Automaton_2000 has done, all the work put in by him, and others like him, that we all benefit from, people should take a step back and use a little [Spock]logic[/Spock]. Why would he be trying to harm the game after all he's done to help it?
Even if his input is heard more loudly than the average user of this forum, I think at this point he's earned it. I also don't think he would use any "influence", which he may or may not have, maliciously. I think he's not only earned the benefit of the doubt, but far more respect than some have shown him here.
This is totally on point as well. As someone who handles spreadsheets, the data, and any oddities, are going to stand out more to those that work with the data much more closely. They are more likely to see any discrepancies than the average player. I dare say these players spend more time analysing the game than a lot of people at TP. Take that for what you will.
+1 to all of this. I get people are mad, but inventing conspiracies and trying to find scapegoats isn't a good look. Especially when there is a much more logical explanation.
Thank you for providing the... Timelines of the events. Sorry, couldn't resist the terrible pun 😅
Anyone targeting one specific player or propagating conspiracy theories should do a little more investigating next time, before making accusations that have no basis in fact.
Also, +1 to everything @Frank? said. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I honestly can't believe that all of this is over what is still an amazing card, that is still the top 6th highest voyager in the entire game. A mistake that they fixed before anyone had him, which avoided a much bigger issue if it was during or after the event. Seriously? This is what people threw mud at other players for?
Does anyone honestly think this was anything other than an accident? TP was never going to release a card that took the #1 spot from a card that had just been released. Especially after how long Braxton had top spot.
Can we please save the torches and pitchforks for something that really matters next time? And try not to burn players at the stake for being honest and ethical? Thanks.
This may sound like an odd question from a player 26 months in, but how do skills get calculated for shuttles? Voyage considers base and prof. Is shuttle purely base? I keep thinking some was talking about high bases making good shuttle crew.
Since there are two scheduled this Mega, I thought I would take a hard look at what I had on hand for them and decide who to work on that will give me the most use. Costumed will work in both events; crew variants just one. I don't have many Troi or Saru variants to worry about anyway.
I'm fairly certain I have enough costumed crew on hand that I won't need to thaw any, since I do keep my better purples on hand, ex. Victorian Pulaski is my tenth best for Dip base, so she's still out, (6 of my 30 immortal golds have the trait and a similar ratio of my remaining crew do to) unless they are the existing.