The value of mass quantities of chronitons and how competitive the pricing of the store is versus other retailers aside, I can't shake this disappointing first impression that the store isn't intended to court players in my spending bracket. Like most people, my discretionary budget has dwindled considerably of late. They wanted to make a splash with the Elusive Treasures, and I get that. And of course, there's no reason whatsoever to think they won't make offers that will appeal to me later. This is only the first week, after all.
One thing that I keep coming back to, though, is that there's only an offer for the Ultimate Campaign track and not the Premium. Elusive Treasures will be gone in a few days, but the Campaign runs for another three weeks. The more I've thought it over, that's what sends the clearest message to me that players like me who can only rationalize the occasional ~$10-15 indulgence aren't all that important to WRG.
Making your customers feel like they aren’t wanted is a bold strategy. I can’t imagine that it works out well in the long term.
I want to be fair here. Again, this is only a first impression based on the week 1 rollout. There's no reason to think they won't court players like me going forward. They might even offer a deal on the Premium track before this Campaign ends. My guess is they won't, and if they do that it'll spark a backlash, but perhaps they'll consider it for the next one. But, yeah, it's also hard to shake the disappointment of this first impression. (I mean, during the periodic times when I think about it. I'm not fixating on it or anything that severe.)
The value of mass quantities of chronitons and how competitive the pricing of the store is versus other retailers aside, I can't shake this disappointing first impression that the store isn't intended to court players in my spending bracket. Like most people, my discretionary budget has dwindled considerably of late. They wanted to make a splash with the Elusive Treasures, and I get that. And of course, there's no reason whatsoever to think they won't make offers that will appeal to me later. This is only the first week, after all.
One thing that I keep coming back to, though, is that there's only an offer for the Ultimate Campaign track and not the Premium. Elusive Treasures will be gone in a few days, but the Campaign runs for another three weeks. The more I've thought it over, that's what sends the clearest message to me that players like me who can only rationalize the occasional ~$10-15 indulgence aren't all that important to WRG.
Making your customers feel like they aren’t wanted is a bold strategy. I can’t imagine that it works out well in the long term.
I want to be fair here. Again, this is only a first impression based on the week 1 rollout. There's no reason to think they won't court players like me going forward. They might even offer a deal on the Premium track before this Campaign ends. My guess is they won't, and if they do that it'll spark a backlash, but perhaps they'll consider it for the next one. But, yeah, it's also hard to shake the disappointment of this first impression. (I mean, during the periodic times when I think about it. I'm not fixating on it or anything that severe.)
The ultra premium track is meant to be the new “monthly subscription” for p2p. Well, that and the monthly dilithium.
The regular premium track will get phased out and replaced.
The value of mass quantities of chronitons and how competitive the pricing of the store is versus other retailers aside, I can't shake this disappointing first impression that the store isn't intended to court players in my spending bracket. Like most people, my discretionary budget has dwindled considerably of late. They wanted to make a splash with the Elusive Treasures, and I get that. And of course, there's no reason whatsoever to think they won't make offers that will appeal to me later. This is only the first week, after all.
One thing that I keep coming back to, though, is that there's only an offer for the Ultimate Campaign track and not the Premium. Elusive Treasures will be gone in a few days, but the Campaign runs for another three weeks. The more I've thought it over, that's what sends the clearest message to me that players like me who can only rationalize the occasional ~$10-15 indulgence aren't all that important to WRG.
Making your customers feel like they aren’t wanted is a bold strategy. I can’t imagine that it works out well in the long term.
I want to be fair here. Again, this is only a first impression based on the week 1 rollout. There's no reason to think they won't court players like me going forward. They might even offer a deal on the Premium track before this Campaign ends. My guess is they won't, and if they do that it'll spark a backlash, but perhaps they'll consider it for the next one. But, yeah, it's also hard to shake the disappointment of this first impression. (I mean, during the periodic times when I think about it. I'm not fixating on it or anything that severe.)
While I too am underwhelmed by the offers, it's also worth pointing out they launched this during an Elusive Treasures week, one of their most expensive deals. So it might also be just sticker shock for us lower price point people.
The value of mass quantities of chronitons and how competitive the pricing of the store is versus other retailers aside, I can't shake this disappointing first impression that the store isn't intended to court players in my spending bracket. Like most people, my discretionary budget has dwindled considerably of late. They wanted to make a splash with the Elusive Treasures, and I get that. And of course, there's no reason whatsoever to think they won't make offers that will appeal to me later. This is only the first week, after all.
One thing that I keep coming back to, though, is that there's only an offer for the Ultimate Campaign track and not the Premium. Elusive Treasures will be gone in a few days, but the Campaign runs for another three weeks. The more I've thought it over, that's what sends the clearest message to me that players like me who can only rationalize the occasional ~$10-15 indulgence aren't all that important to WRG.
Making your customers feel like they aren’t wanted is a bold strategy. I can’t imagine that it works out well in the long term.
I want to be fair here. Again, this is only a first impression based on the week 1 rollout. There's no reason to think they won't court players like me going forward. They might even offer a deal on the Premium track before this Campaign ends. My guess is they won't, and if they do that it'll spark a backlash, but perhaps they'll consider it for the next one. But, yeah, it's also hard to shake the disappointment of this first impression. (I mean, during the periodic times when I think about it. I'm not fixating on it or anything that severe.)
My comment was based on WRG’s performance over the last 6-8 weeks, not just the webstore and Elusive Treasures. It seems at times that WRG either isn’t listening (did we need a webstore over new features or some quality control?) or is listening but doesn’t care (this mega is barely tied to the Tin Man theme that players voted on). Either way, it’s not a good look.
Right now, 5 limited treasures (single beholds for 49.99). Cost 2500 dil each. In game there is an offer for 7875 Dilithium for 24.99. which would be a better deal (although you can only get it once).
I've not seen anything too exciting yet. I'll bide my time.
The value of mass quantities of chronitons and how competitive the pricing of the store is versus other retailers aside, I can't shake this disappointing first impression that the store isn't intended to court players in my spending bracket. Like most people, my discretionary budget has dwindled considerably of late. They wanted to make a splash with the Elusive Treasures, and I get that. And of course, there's no reason whatsoever to think they won't make offers that will appeal to me later. This is only the first week, after all.
One thing that I keep coming back to, though, is that there's only an offer for the Ultimate Campaign track and not the Premium. Elusive Treasures will be gone in a few days, but the Campaign runs for another three weeks. The more I've thought it over, that's what sends the clearest message to me that players like me who can only rationalize the occasional ~$10-15 indulgence aren't all that important to WRG.
Making your customers feel like they aren’t wanted is a bold strategy. I can’t imagine that it works out well in the long term.
I want to be fair here. Again, this is only a first impression based on the week 1 rollout. There's no reason to think they won't court players like me going forward. They might even offer a deal on the Premium track before this Campaign ends. My guess is they won't, and if they do that it'll spark a backlash, but perhaps they'll consider it for the next one. But, yeah, it's also hard to shake the disappointment of this first impression. (I mean, during the periodic times when I think about it. I'm not fixating on it or anything that severe.)
Them refusing to even consider offering the Uber Track without the Premium Track, even though there is ongoing posts by players that they have the Premium Track Crew and do not want the Premium Track with the Uber Track continues to befuddle me.
The value of mass quantities of chronitons and how competitive the pricing of the store is versus other retailers aside, I can't shake this disappointing first impression that the store isn't intended to court players in my spending bracket. Like most people, my discretionary budget has dwindled considerably of late. They wanted to make a splash with the Elusive Treasures, and I get that. And of course, there's no reason whatsoever to think they won't make offers that will appeal to me later. This is only the first week, after all.
One thing that I keep coming back to, though, is that there's only an offer for the Ultimate Campaign track and not the Premium. Elusive Treasures will be gone in a few days, but the Campaign runs for another three weeks. The more I've thought it over, that's what sends the clearest message to me that players like me who can only rationalize the occasional ~$10-15 indulgence aren't all that important to WRG.
Making your customers feel like they aren’t wanted is a bold strategy. I can’t imagine that it works out well in the long term.
I want to be fair here. Again, this is only a first impression based on the week 1 rollout. There's no reason to think they won't court players like me going forward. They might even offer a deal on the Premium track before this Campaign ends. My guess is they won't, and if they do that it'll spark a backlash, but perhaps they'll consider it for the next one. But, yeah, it's also hard to shake the disappointment of this first impression. (I mean, during the periodic times when I think about it. I'm not fixating on it or anything that severe.)
The ultra premium track is meant to be the new “monthly subscription” for p2p. Well, that and the monthly dilithium.
The regular premium track will get phased out and replaced.
And this might be why they are not letting people buy the Uber Track alone. {Although I doubt they will cut out the Premium Track and start charging less for the Uber Track}.
"The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself."
The value of mass quantities of chronitons and how competitive the pricing of the store is versus other retailers aside, I can't shake this disappointing first impression that the store isn't intended to court players in my spending bracket. Like most people, my discretionary budget has dwindled considerably of late. They wanted to make a splash with the Elusive Treasures, and I get that. And of course, there's no reason whatsoever to think they won't make offers that will appeal to me later. This is only the first week, after all.
One thing that I keep coming back to, though, is that there's only an offer for the Ultimate Campaign track and not the Premium. Elusive Treasures will be gone in a few days, but the Campaign runs for another three weeks. The more I've thought it over, that's what sends the clearest message to me that players like me who can only rationalize the occasional ~$10-15 indulgence aren't all that important to WRG.
Making your customers feel like they aren’t wanted is a bold strategy. I can’t imagine that it works out well in the long term.
I want to be fair here. Again, this is only a first impression based on the week 1 rollout. There's no reason to think they won't court players like me going forward. They might even offer a deal on the Premium track before this Campaign ends. My guess is they won't, and if they do that it'll spark a backlash, but perhaps they'll consider it for the next one. But, yeah, it's also hard to shake the disappointment of this first impression. (I mean, during the periodic times when I think about it. I'm not fixating on it or anything that severe.)
My comment was based on WRG’s performance over the last 6-8 weeks, not just the webstore and Elusive Treasures. It seems at times that WRG either isn’t listening (did we need a webstore over new features or some quality control?) or is listening but doesn’t care (this mega is barely tied to the Tin Man theme that players voted on). Either way, it’s not a good look.
The players choice mega has routinely been a flop. They post exciting sounding names, but what they deliver never matches what players think when they vote for the theme. Personally I wish they would just drop the pretense of the vote at this point.
In terms of the web store, I'm sure this has been in the works for well before the survey was created. It also likely used different resources than the people who are building boss battles. With boss battles about to be released, I'm willing to withhold judgement until we see it in action. Players have been asking for a new feature and something to do with all our crew. If boss battles delivers that then they've finally listened. If it doesn't then it's another case of missing the mark and a bad sign for the future.
The value of mass quantities of chronitons and how competitive the pricing of the store is versus other retailers aside, I can't shake this disappointing first impression that the store isn't intended to court players in my spending bracket. Like most people, my discretionary budget has dwindled considerably of late. They wanted to make a splash with the Elusive Treasures, and I get that. And of course, there's no reason whatsoever to think they won't make offers that will appeal to me later. This is only the first week, after all.
One thing that I keep coming back to, though, is that there's only an offer for the Ultimate Campaign track and not the Premium. Elusive Treasures will be gone in a few days, but the Campaign runs for another three weeks. The more I've thought it over, that's what sends the clearest message to me that players like me who can only rationalize the occasional ~$10-15 indulgence aren't all that important to WRG.
Making your customers feel like they aren’t wanted is a bold strategy. I can’t imagine that it works out well in the long term.
I want to be fair here. Again, this is only a first impression based on the week 1 rollout. There's no reason to think they won't court players like me going forward. They might even offer a deal on the Premium track before this Campaign ends. My guess is they won't, and if they do that it'll spark a backlash, but perhaps they'll consider it for the next one. But, yeah, it's also hard to shake the disappointment of this first impression. (I mean, during the periodic times when I think about it. I'm not fixating on it or anything that severe.)
My comment was based on WRG’s performance over the last 6-8 weeks, not just the webstore and Elusive Treasures. It seems at times that WRG either isn’t listening (did we need a webstore over new features or some quality control?) or is listening but doesn’t care (this mega is barely tied to the Tin Man theme that players voted on). Either way, it’s not a good look.
I'm just focusing on the topic at hand. There are myriad other reasons to be disappointed and they go back further than 6-8 weeks. WRG's ownership started with Picard at El-Adrel and it's been rocky since. I'll give them partial credit for experimenting, but they lose points for going ahead with experiments whose problems ought to have been evident before they went live.
As for the mega, the winning choice was "Tin Man / Bio-Ships (TNG/VOY + Astrophysicist or Exobiologist)." I can see VOY fans feeling cheated, with only a new Icheb to show for it. Otherwise, we got Gomtuu, Captain Robert DeSoto, and an episode-specific Data. Tam Elbrun had already been added in October. All that's left from "Tin Man" is nameless Romulan commander. Is there a strong demand for Resentful Riker? What other bio-ships even are there?
We also got a variant of Picard who'd been requested for years, and the first new Geordi since Conditioned La Forge in 2019. The other newbies were a SNW Spock and Ruon Tarka who proved a popular character from the recent season of Disco. No one was champing at the bit for MacDougal and I can understand Tryla Scott being an underwhelming choice for the recurring 5*, but otherwise by my scorecard, they did alright with the theme. I'd give this one a B-.
[For those who may have forgotten, the other choices were: Facets of the Past (DS9 + Trill) or Archer Mega (ENT + Inspiring). Predictably, I voted for DS9 + Trill.]
The value of mass quantities of chronitons and how competitive the pricing of the store is versus other retailers aside, I can't shake this disappointing first impression that the store isn't intended to court players in my spending bracket. Like most people, my discretionary budget has dwindled considerably of late. They wanted to make a splash with the Elusive Treasures, and I get that. And of course, there's no reason whatsoever to think they won't make offers that will appeal to me later. This is only the first week, after all.
One thing that I keep coming back to, though, is that there's only an offer for the Ultimate Campaign track and not the Premium. Elusive Treasures will be gone in a few days, but the Campaign runs for another three weeks. The more I've thought it over, that's what sends the clearest message to me that players like me who can only rationalize the occasional ~$10-15 indulgence aren't all that important to WRG.
Making your customers feel like they aren’t wanted is a bold strategy. I can’t imagine that it works out well in the long term.
I want to be fair here. Again, this is only a first impression based on the week 1 rollout. There's no reason to think they won't court players like me going forward. They might even offer a deal on the Premium track before this Campaign ends. My guess is they won't, and if they do that it'll spark a backlash, but perhaps they'll consider it for the next one. But, yeah, it's also hard to shake the disappointment of this first impression. (I mean, during the periodic times when I think about it. I'm not fixating on it or anything that severe.)
My comment was based on WRG’s performance over the last 6-8 weeks, not just the webstore and Elusive Treasures. It seems at times that WRG either isn’t listening (did we need a webstore over new features or some quality control?) or is listening but doesn’t care (this mega is barely tied to the Tin Man theme that players voted on). Either way, it’s not a good look.
The players choice mega has routinely been a flop. They post exciting sounding names, but what they deliver never matches what players think when they vote for the theme. Personally I wish they would just drop the pretense of the vote at this point.
In terms of the web store, I'm sure this has been in the works for well before the survey was created. It also likely used different resources than the people who are building boss battles. With boss battles about to be released, I'm willing to withhold judgement until we see it in action. Players have been asking for a new feature and something to do with all our crew. If boss battles delivers that then they've finally listened. If it doesn't then it's another case of missing the mark and a bad sign for the future.
In recent history, first came the quantum card. Overpriced and curiously sized at ten days long. Next came the ultra premium track, which resulted in a really tidied up view at campaign achievements, but also brought with it the sort of well, i alreay paid 9.99 and for only 14.99 more i get all this other stuff. Then came the webstore.
Its been a constant carpet roll of “hey buy this stuff” for quite a while, with no new content. And yeah they keep teasing the boss battles, but that will be a resource drain and it will be monetized too. Just like crew retrieval was. Its going to be set up to where the “full game experience” takes purchasing the following: ultra premium track, dilithium card, quantum card (3x per month), and the boss battle card (x times per month).
And like others have pointed out, the other offers seem to be focussed on the big spenders. So it seems like they want the slow drain on p2p to be around $40-$50 usd /mo. Thats kind of a lot to pay for a weekly experience of glitches, grinding and dissapointmwnt.
The value of mass quantities of chronitons and how competitive the pricing of the store is versus other retailers aside, I can't shake this disappointing first impression that the store isn't intended to court players in my spending bracket. Like most people, my discretionary budget has dwindled considerably of late. They wanted to make a splash with the Elusive Treasures, and I get that. And of course, there's no reason whatsoever to think they won't make offers that will appeal to me later. This is only the first week, after all.
One thing that I keep coming back to, though, is that there's only an offer for the Ultimate Campaign track and not the Premium. Elusive Treasures will be gone in a few days, but the Campaign runs for another three weeks. The more I've thought it over, that's what sends the clearest message to me that players like me who can only rationalize the occasional ~$10-15 indulgence aren't all that important to WRG.
Making your customers feel like they aren’t wanted is a bold strategy. I can’t imagine that it works out well in the long term.
I want to be fair here. Again, this is only a first impression based on the week 1 rollout. There's no reason to think they won't court players like me going forward. They might even offer a deal on the Premium track before this Campaign ends. My guess is they won't, and if they do that it'll spark a backlash, but perhaps they'll consider it for the next one. But, yeah, it's also hard to shake the disappointment of this first impression. (I mean, during the periodic times when I think about it. I'm not fixating on it or anything that severe.)
My comment was based on WRG’s performance over the last 6-8 weeks, not just the webstore and Elusive Treasures. It seems at times that WRG either isn’t listening (did we need a webstore over new features or some quality control?) or is listening but doesn’t care (this mega is barely tied to the Tin Man theme that players voted on). Either way, it’s not a good look.
The players choice mega has routinely been a flop. They post exciting sounding names, but what they deliver never matches what players think when they vote for the theme. Personally I wish they would just drop the pretense of the vote at this point.
In terms of the web store, I'm sure this has been in the works for well before the survey was created. It also likely used different resources than the people who are building boss battles. With boss battles about to be released, I'm willing to withhold judgement until we see it in action. Players have been asking for a new feature and something to do with all our crew. If boss battles delivers that then they've finally listened. If it doesn't then it's another case of missing the mark and a bad sign for the future.
In recent history, first came the quantum card. Overpriced and curiously sized at ten days long. Next came the ultra premium track, which resulted in a really tidied up view at campaign achievements, but also brought with it the sort of well, i alreay paid 9.99 and for only 14.99 more i get all this other stuff. Then came the webstore.
Its been a constant carpet roll of “hey buy this stuff” for quite a while, with no new content. And yeah they keep teasing the boss battles, but that will be a resource drain and it will be monetized too. Just like crew retrieval was. Its going to be set up to where the “full game experience” takes purchasing the following: ultra premium track, dilithium card, quantum card (3x per month), and the boss battle card (x times per month).
And like others have pointed out, the other offers seem to be focussed on the big spenders. So it seems like they want the slow drain on p2p to be around $40-$50 usd /mo. Thats kind of a lot to pay for a weekly experience of glitches, grinding and dissapointmwnt.
The nice thing is that none of these things are mandatory. I can only speak for myself, but I've been entirely content with letting my quantum replenish on its own and passing on even the premium campaign track, let alone the ultimate one. But then, I've been playing for six years. I was used to playing without these things so for me, they're merely add-ons I'm content to ignore. I can understand how a newer player might feel some implicit pressure to pay for that "full game experience," imagining that without these expenses they'll never "catch up" or make satisfactory progress.
The value of mass quantities of chronitons and how competitive the pricing of the store is versus other retailers aside, I can't shake this disappointing first impression that the store isn't intended to court players in my spending bracket. Like most people, my discretionary budget has dwindled considerably of late. They wanted to make a splash with the Elusive Treasures, and I get that. And of course, there's no reason whatsoever to think they won't make offers that will appeal to me later. This is only the first week, after all.
One thing that I keep coming back to, though, is that there's only an offer for the Ultimate Campaign track and not the Premium. Elusive Treasures will be gone in a few days, but the Campaign runs for another three weeks. The more I've thought it over, that's what sends the clearest message to me that players like me who can only rationalize the occasional ~$10-15 indulgence aren't all that important to WRG.
Making your customers feel like they aren’t wanted is a bold strategy. I can’t imagine that it works out well in the long term.
I want to be fair here. Again, this is only a first impression based on the week 1 rollout. There's no reason to think they won't court players like me going forward. They might even offer a deal on the Premium track before this Campaign ends. My guess is they won't, and if they do that it'll spark a backlash, but perhaps they'll consider it for the next one. But, yeah, it's also hard to shake the disappointment of this first impression. (I mean, during the periodic times when I think about it. I'm not fixating on it or anything that severe.)
My comment was based on WRG’s performance over the last 6-8 weeks, not just the webstore and Elusive Treasures. It seems at times that WRG either isn’t listening (did we need a webstore over new features or some quality control?) or is listening but doesn’t care (this mega is barely tied to the Tin Man theme that players voted on). Either way, it’s not a good look.
The players choice mega has routinely been a flop. They post exciting sounding names, but what they deliver never matches what players think when they vote for the theme. Personally I wish they would just drop the pretense of the vote at this point.
In terms of the web store, I'm sure this has been in the works for well before the survey was created. It also likely used different resources than the people who are building boss battles. With boss battles about to be released, I'm willing to withhold judgement until we see it in action. Players have been asking for a new feature and something to do with all our crew. If boss battles delivers that then they've finally listened. If it doesn't then it's another case of missing the mark and a bad sign for the future.
In recent history, first came the quantum card. Overpriced and curiously sized at ten days long. Next came the ultra premium track, which resulted in a really tidied up view at campaign achievements, but also brought with it the sort of well, i alreay paid 9.99 and for only 14.99 more i get all this other stuff. Then came the webstore.
Its been a constant carpet roll of “hey buy this stuff” for quite a while, with no new content. And yeah they keep teasing the boss battles, but that will be a resource drain and it will be monetized too. Just like crew retrieval was. Its going to be set up to where the “full game experience” takes purchasing the following: ultra premium track, dilithium card, quantum card (3x per month), and the boss battle card (x times per month).
And like others have pointed out, the other offers seem to be focussed on the big spenders. So it seems like they want the slow drain on p2p to be around $40-$50 usd /mo. Thats kind of a lot to pay for a weekly experience of glitches, grinding and dissapointmwnt.
The nice thing is that none of these things are mandatory. I can only speak for myself, but I've been entirely content with letting my quantum replenish on its own and passing on even the premium campaign track, let alone the ultimate one. But then, I've been playing for six years. I was used to playing without these things so for me, they're merely add-ons I'm content to ignore. I can understand how a newer player might feel some implicit pressure to pay for that "full game experience," imagining that without these expenses they'll never "catch up" or make satisfactory progress.
Make that two votes. I've never bought the quantum pass. Never bought the ultra campaign. And haven't even been tempted by the regular premium campaign recently. I'm not missing out on anything other than a couple crew that I could buy with Dil if I wanted to. If anything the Tuesday pack crew feels more out of reach than the ultra campaign. I'm sure there will be some offer to make the boss battle easier. Or a way to buy more shots at the boss. But I'll tackle the boss the old fashioned way.
If someone else wants to spend money to cut the line they can play how they want to. But it won't impact how I can play the game.
The value of mass quantities of chronitons and how competitive the pricing of the store is versus other retailers aside, I can't shake this disappointing first impression that the store isn't intended to court players in my spending bracket. Like most people, my discretionary budget has dwindled considerably of late. They wanted to make a splash with the Elusive Treasures, and I get that. And of course, there's no reason whatsoever to think they won't make offers that will appeal to me later. This is only the first week, after all.
One thing that I keep coming back to, though, is that there's only an offer for the Ultimate Campaign track and not the Premium. Elusive Treasures will be gone in a few days, but the Campaign runs for another three weeks. The more I've thought it over, that's what sends the clearest message to me that players like me who can only rationalize the occasional ~$10-15 indulgence aren't all that important to WRG.
Making your customers feel like they aren’t wanted is a bold strategy. I can’t imagine that it works out well in the long term.
I want to be fair here. Again, this is only a first impression based on the week 1 rollout. There's no reason to think they won't court players like me going forward. They might even offer a deal on the Premium track before this Campaign ends. My guess is they won't, and if they do that it'll spark a backlash, but perhaps they'll consider it for the next one. But, yeah, it's also hard to shake the disappointment of this first impression. (I mean, during the periodic times when I think about it. I'm not fixating on it or anything that severe.)
My comment was based on WRG’s performance over the last 6-8 weeks, not just the webstore and Elusive Treasures. It seems at times that WRG either isn’t listening (did we need a webstore over new features or some quality control?) or is listening but doesn’t care (this mega is barely tied to the Tin Man theme that players voted on). Either way, it’s not a good look.
The players choice mega has routinely been a flop. They post exciting sounding names, but what they deliver never matches what players think when they vote for the theme. Personally I wish they would just drop the pretense of the vote at this point.
In terms of the web store, I'm sure this has been in the works for well before the survey was created. It also likely used different resources than the people who are building boss battles. With boss battles about to be released, I'm willing to withhold judgement until we see it in action. Players have been asking for a new feature and something to do with all our crew. If boss battles delivers that then they've finally listened. If it doesn't then it's another case of missing the mark and a bad sign for the future.
In recent history, first came the quantum card. Overpriced and curiously sized at ten days long. Next came the ultra premium track, which resulted in a really tidied up view at campaign achievements, but also brought with it the sort of well, i alreay paid 9.99 and for only 14.99 more i get all this other stuff. Then came the webstore.
Its been a constant carpet roll of “hey buy this stuff” for quite a while, with no new content. And yeah they keep teasing the boss battles, but that will be a resource drain and it will be monetized too. Just like crew retrieval was. Its going to be set up to where the “full game experience” takes purchasing the following: ultra premium track, dilithium card, quantum card (3x per month), and the boss battle card (x times per month).
And like others have pointed out, the other offers seem to be focussed on the big spenders. So it seems like they want the slow drain on p2p to be around $40-$50 usd /mo. Thats kind of a lot to pay for a weekly experience of glitches, grinding and dissapointmwnt.
The nice thing is that none of these things are mandatory. I can only speak for myself, but I've been entirely content with letting my quantum replenish on its own and passing on even the premium campaign track, let alone the ultimate one. But then, I've been playing for six years. I was used to playing without these things so for me, they're merely add-ons I'm content to ignore. I can understand how a newer player might feel some implicit pressure to pay for that "full game experience," imagining that without these expenses they'll never "catch up" or make satisfactory progress.
Make that two votes. I've never bought the quantum pass. Never bought the ultra campaign. And haven't even been tempted by the regular premium campaign recently. I'm not missing out on anything other than a couple crew that I could buy with Dil if I wanted to. If anything the Tuesday pack crew feels more out of reach than the ultra campaign. I'm sure there will be some offer to make the boss battle easier. Or a way to buy more shots at the boss. But I'll tackle the boss the old fashioned way.
If someone else wants to spend money to cut the line they can play how they want to. But it won't impact how I can play the game.
I agree with the response, but i disagree with the dismissal of the effort.
Wrg is seemingly spending the lions share of its time dreaming up these deals, and they are not ideas that are good for the collective group of players. That should be troubling if you care about the longevity of the game.
Falling back on the rheyoric of letting someone waste their money on a crappy offer dosnt hurt you is a fine piece of logic until a big enough portion of the player base feels burned and no longer buys those crappy offers. Then what? Dont you see the car racing towards the cliff?
The value of mass quantities of chronitons and how competitive the pricing of the store is versus other retailers aside, I can't shake this disappointing first impression that the store isn't intended to court players in my spending bracket. Like most people, my discretionary budget has dwindled considerably of late. They wanted to make a splash with the Elusive Treasures, and I get that. And of course, there's no reason whatsoever to think they won't make offers that will appeal to me later. This is only the first week, after all.
One thing that I keep coming back to, though, is that there's only an offer for the Ultimate Campaign track and not the Premium. Elusive Treasures will be gone in a few days, but the Campaign runs for another three weeks. The more I've thought it over, that's what sends the clearest message to me that players like me who can only rationalize the occasional ~$10-15 indulgence aren't all that important to WRG.
Making your customers feel like they aren’t wanted is a bold strategy. I can’t imagine that it works out well in the long term.
I want to be fair here. Again, this is only a first impression based on the week 1 rollout. There's no reason to think they won't court players like me going forward. They might even offer a deal on the Premium track before this Campaign ends. My guess is they won't, and if they do that it'll spark a backlash, but perhaps they'll consider it for the next one. But, yeah, it's also hard to shake the disappointment of this first impression. (I mean, during the periodic times when I think about it. I'm not fixating on it or anything that severe.)
My comment was based on WRG’s performance over the last 6-8 weeks, not just the webstore and Elusive Treasures. It seems at times that WRG either isn’t listening (did we need a webstore over new features or some quality control?) or is listening but doesn’t care (this mega is barely tied to the Tin Man theme that players voted on). Either way, it’s not a good look.
The players choice mega has routinely been a flop. They post exciting sounding names, but what they deliver never matches what players think when they vote for the theme. Personally I wish they would just drop the pretense of the vote at this point.
In terms of the web store, I'm sure this has been in the works for well before the survey was created. It also likely used different resources than the people who are building boss battles. With boss battles about to be released, I'm willing to withhold judgement until we see it in action. Players have been asking for a new feature and something to do with all our crew. If boss battles delivers that then they've finally listened. If it doesn't then it's another case of missing the mark and a bad sign for the future.
In recent history, first came the quantum card. Overpriced and curiously sized at ten days long. Next came the ultra premium track, which resulted in a really tidied up view at campaign achievements, but also brought with it the sort of well, i alreay paid 9.99 and for only 14.99 more i get all this other stuff. Then came the webstore.
Its been a constant carpet roll of “hey buy this stuff” for quite a while, with no new content. And yeah they keep teasing the boss battles, but that will be a resource drain and it will be monetized too. Just like crew retrieval was. Its going to be set up to where the “full game experience” takes purchasing the following: ultra premium track, dilithium card, quantum card (3x per month), and the boss battle card (x times per month).
And like others have pointed out, the other offers seem to be focussed on the big spenders. So it seems like they want the slow drain on p2p to be around $40-$50 usd /mo. Thats kind of a lot to pay for a weekly experience of glitches, grinding and dissapointmwnt.
The nice thing is that none of these things are mandatory. I can only speak for myself, but I've been entirely content with letting my quantum replenish on its own and passing on even the premium campaign track, let alone the ultimate one. But then, I've been playing for six years. I was used to playing without these things so for me, they're merely add-ons I'm content to ignore. I can understand how a newer player might feel some implicit pressure to pay for that "full game experience," imagining that without these expenses they'll never "catch up" or make satisfactory progress.
Make that two votes. I've never bought the quantum pass. Never bought the ultra campaign. And haven't even been tempted by the regular premium campaign recently. I'm not missing out on anything other than a couple crew that I could buy with Dil if I wanted to. If anything the Tuesday pack crew feels more out of reach than the ultra campaign. I'm sure there will be some offer to make the boss battle easier. Or a way to buy more shots at the boss. But I'll tackle the boss the old fashioned way.
If someone else wants to spend money to cut the line they can play how they want to. But it won't impact how I can play the game.
I agree with the response, but i disagree with the dismissal of the effort.
Wrg is seemingly spending the lions share of its time dreaming up these deals, and they are not ideas that are good for the collective group of players. That should be troubling if you care about the longevity of the game.
Falling back on the rheyoric of letting someone waste their money on a crappy offer dosnt hurt you is a fine piece of logic until a big enough portion of the player base feels burned and no longer buys those crappy offers. Then what? Dont you see the car racing towards the cliff?
The difference is I've been playing for 6 years. I've seen the car heading towards the cliff the entire time. It still hasn't driven off the edge despite people constantly being concerned that it will. So I'm at the point where I'm willing to say, maybe WRG knows what they're doing. They're certainly more incentivized to keep the game going long term than I am. They also have access to a more more data about player metrics, engagement, burn rate, spending, etc...
So if this is what they think will keep the game going, I'm willing to trust them. If a change makes the game worse for me I'll say something. But if they make a change that's neutral for me and brings in income from other players, well thank you other players for paying to keep the game running.
The value of mass quantities of chronitons and how competitive the pricing of the store is versus other retailers aside, I can't shake this disappointing first impression that the store isn't intended to court players in my spending bracket. Like most people, my discretionary budget has dwindled considerably of late. They wanted to make a splash with the Elusive Treasures, and I get that. And of course, there's no reason whatsoever to think they won't make offers that will appeal to me later. This is only the first week, after all.
One thing that I keep coming back to, though, is that there's only an offer for the Ultimate Campaign track and not the Premium. Elusive Treasures will be gone in a few days, but the Campaign runs for another three weeks. The more I've thought it over, that's what sends the clearest message to me that players like me who can only rationalize the occasional ~$10-15 indulgence aren't all that important to WRG.
Making your customers feel like they aren’t wanted is a bold strategy. I can’t imagine that it works out well in the long term.
I want to be fair here. Again, this is only a first impression based on the week 1 rollout. There's no reason to think they won't court players like me going forward. They might even offer a deal on the Premium track before this Campaign ends. My guess is they won't, and if they do that it'll spark a backlash, but perhaps they'll consider it for the next one. But, yeah, it's also hard to shake the disappointment of this first impression. (I mean, during the periodic times when I think about it. I'm not fixating on it or anything that severe.)
My comment was based on WRG’s performance over the last 6-8 weeks, not just the webstore and Elusive Treasures. It seems at times that WRG either isn’t listening (did we need a webstore over new features or some quality control?) or is listening but doesn’t care (this mega is barely tied to the Tin Man theme that players voted on). Either way, it’s not a good look.
The players choice mega has routinely been a flop. They post exciting sounding names, but what they deliver never matches what players think when they vote for the theme. Personally I wish they would just drop the pretense of the vote at this point.
In terms of the web store, I'm sure this has been in the works for well before the survey was created. It also likely used different resources than the people who are building boss battles. With boss battles about to be released, I'm willing to withhold judgement until we see it in action. Players have been asking for a new feature and something to do with all our crew. If boss battles delivers that then they've finally listened. If it doesn't then it's another case of missing the mark and a bad sign for the future.
In recent history, first came the quantum card. Overpriced and curiously sized at ten days long. Next came the ultra premium track, which resulted in a really tidied up view at campaign achievements, but also brought with it the sort of well, i alreay paid 9.99 and for only 14.99 more i get all this other stuff. Then came the webstore.
Its been a constant carpet roll of “hey buy this stuff” for quite a while, with no new content. And yeah they keep teasing the boss battles, but that will be a resource drain and it will be monetized too. Just like crew retrieval was. Its going to be set up to where the “full game experience” takes purchasing the following: ultra premium track, dilithium card, quantum card (3x per month), and the boss battle card (x times per month).
And like others have pointed out, the other offers seem to be focussed on the big spenders. So it seems like they want the slow drain on p2p to be around $40-$50 usd /mo. Thats kind of a lot to pay for a weekly experience of glitches, grinding and dissapointmwnt.
The nice thing is that none of these things are mandatory. I can only speak for myself, but I've been entirely content with letting my quantum replenish on its own and passing on even the premium campaign track, let alone the ultimate one. But then, I've been playing for six years. I was used to playing without these things so for me, they're merely add-ons I'm content to ignore. I can understand how a newer player might feel some implicit pressure to pay for that "full game experience," imagining that without these expenses they'll never "catch up" or make satisfactory progress.
Make that two votes. I've never bought the quantum pass. Never bought the ultra campaign. And haven't even been tempted by the regular premium campaign recently. I'm not missing out on anything other than a couple crew that I could buy with Dil if I wanted to. If anything the Tuesday pack crew feels more out of reach than the ultra campaign. I'm sure there will be some offer to make the boss battle easier. Or a way to buy more shots at the boss. But I'll tackle the boss the old fashioned way.
If someone else wants to spend money to cut the line they can play how they want to. But it won't impact how I can play the game.
I agree with the response, but i disagree with the dismissal of the effort.
Wrg is seemingly spending the lions share of its time dreaming up these deals, and they are not ideas that are good for the collective group of players. That should be troubling if you care about the longevity of the game.
Falling back on the rheyoric of letting someone waste their money on a crappy offer dosnt hurt you is a fine piece of logic until a big enough portion of the player base feels burned and no longer buys those crappy offers. Then what? Dont you see the car racing towards the cliff?
The difference is I've been playing for 6 years. I've seen the car heading towards the cliff the entire time. It still hasn't driven off the edge despite people constantly being concerned that it will. So I'm at the point where I'm willing to say, maybe WRG knows what they're doing. They're certainly more incentivized to keep the game going long term than I am. They also have access to a more more data about player metrics, engagement, burn rate, spending, etc...
So if this is what they think will keep the game going, I'm willing to trust them. If a change makes the game worse for me I'll say something. But if they make a change that's neutral for me and brings in income from other players, well thank you other players for paying to keep the game running.
There is no difference vs what you just typed and what i responded to.
I agree with the response, but i disagree with the dismissal of the effort.
Wrg is seemingly spending the lions share of its time dreaming up these deals, and they are not ideas that are good for the collective group of players. That should be troubling if you care about the longevity of the game.
Falling back on the rheyoric of letting someone waste their money on a crappy offer dosnt hurt you is a fine piece of logic until a big enough portion of the player base feels burned and no longer buys those crappy offers. Then what? Dont you see the car racing towards the cliff?
You seem to be inordinately concerned with what WRG is doing as if they are dipping into your personal pocketbook and absconding with all your money. Are you a vested shareholder, or do you have some other interest in the financial workings of the parent company that is driving you to this level of, shall I say, strident denouncement? I mean, there's a lot of doom-and-gloom in your multiple posts, none of which are likely to come true anyhow.
Pro Tip: If you don't want to spend money on seemingly overpriced game resources, then don't buy them.
The value of mass quantities of chronitons and how competitive the pricing of the store is versus other retailers aside, I can't shake this disappointing first impression that the store isn't intended to court players in my spending bracket. Like most people, my discretionary budget has dwindled considerably of late. They wanted to make a splash with the Elusive Treasures, and I get that. And of course, there's no reason whatsoever to think they won't make offers that will appeal to me later. This is only the first week, after all.
One thing that I keep coming back to, though, is that there's only an offer for the Ultimate Campaign track and not the Premium. Elusive Treasures will be gone in a few days, but the Campaign runs for another three weeks. The more I've thought it over, that's what sends the clearest message to me that players like me who can only rationalize the occasional ~$10-15 indulgence aren't all that important to WRG.
Making your customers feel like they aren’t wanted is a bold strategy. I can’t imagine that it works out well in the long term.
I want to be fair here. Again, this is only a first impression based on the week 1 rollout. There's no reason to think they won't court players like me going forward. They might even offer a deal on the Premium track before this Campaign ends. My guess is they won't, and if they do that it'll spark a backlash, but perhaps they'll consider it for the next one. But, yeah, it's also hard to shake the disappointment of this first impression. (I mean, during the periodic times when I think about it. I'm not fixating on it or anything that severe.)
My comment was based on WRG’s performance over the last 6-8 weeks, not just the webstore and Elusive Treasures. It seems at times that WRG either isn’t listening (did we need a webstore over new features or some quality control?) or is listening but doesn’t care (this mega is barely tied to the Tin Man theme that players voted on). Either way, it’s not a good look.
The players choice mega has routinely been a flop. They post exciting sounding names, but what they deliver never matches what players think when they vote for the theme. Personally I wish they would just drop the pretense of the vote at this point.
In terms of the web store, I'm sure this has been in the works for well before the survey was created. It also likely used different resources than the people who are building boss battles. With boss battles about to be released, I'm willing to withhold judgement until we see it in action. Players have been asking for a new feature and something to do with all our crew. If boss battles delivers that then they've finally listened. If it doesn't then it's another case of missing the mark and a bad sign for the future.
In recent history, first came the quantum card. Overpriced and curiously sized at ten days long. Next came the ultra premium track, which resulted in a really tidied up view at campaign achievements, but also brought with it the sort of well, i alreay paid 9.99 and for only 14.99 more i get all this other stuff. Then came the webstore.
Its been a constant carpet roll of “hey buy this stuff” for quite a while, with no new content. And yeah they keep teasing the boss battles, but that will be a resource drain and it will be monetized too. Just like crew retrieval was. Its going to be set up to where the “full game experience” takes purchasing the following: ultra premium track, dilithium card, quantum card (3x per month), and the boss battle card (x times per month).
And like others have pointed out, the other offers seem to be focussed on the big spenders. So it seems like they want the slow drain on p2p to be around $40-$50 usd /mo. Thats kind of a lot to pay for a weekly experience of glitches, grinding and dissapointmwnt.
The nice thing is that none of these things are mandatory. I can only speak for myself, but I've been entirely content with letting my quantum replenish on its own and passing on even the premium campaign track, let alone the ultimate one. But then, I've been playing for six years. I was used to playing without these things so for me, they're merely add-ons I'm content to ignore. I can understand how a newer player might feel some implicit pressure to pay for that "full game experience," imagining that without these expenses they'll never "catch up" or make satisfactory progress.
Make that two votes. I've never bought the quantum pass. Never bought the ultra campaign. And haven't even been tempted by the regular premium campaign recently. I'm not missing out on anything other than a couple crew that I could buy with Dil if I wanted to. If anything the Tuesday pack crew feels more out of reach than the ultra campaign. I'm sure there will be some offer to make the boss battle easier. Or a way to buy more shots at the boss. But I'll tackle the boss the old fashioned way.
If someone else wants to spend money to cut the line they can play how they want to. But it won't impact how I can play the game.
I agree with the response, but i disagree with the dismissal of the effort.
Wrg is seemingly spending the lions share of its time dreaming up these deals, and they are not ideas that are good for the collective group of players. That should be troubling if you care about the longevity of the game.
Falling back on the rheyoric of letting someone waste their money on a crappy offer dosnt hurt you is a fine piece of logic until a big enough portion of the player base feels burned and no longer buys those crappy offers. Then what? Dont you see the car racing towards the cliff?
All I can see is that I have an easier time getting 5* crew without spending any money because of something WRG did. Retrieval works.
Currently I'm getting an effectively free 10 pack every week as well. Something WRG did as well. Technically, I'm also getting additional free honour and a very helpful 4* citation. However, its understandable if some people put have trouble getting the expanded reward. For those people they'll just have to sweat out their free Locutus and then afterwards you'll probably be better able to do the gauntlet portion.
Fleet battles is something new and healthy for the game. Its implementation might be spotty but at least its a fleet focused activity. Guess we'll find out soon enough how good it is. If its sketchy on release they can always improve it later.
In return for these new WRG features I'm willing to cough up a little cash for them. I'm a person of limited means so I stick to occasional campaign purchases but people should get paid for the work they do.
I agree with the response, but i disagree with the dismissal of the effort.
Wrg is seemingly spending the lions share of its time dreaming up these deals, and they are not ideas that are good for the collective group of players. That should be troubling if you care about the longevity of the game.
Falling back on the rheyoric of letting someone waste their money on a crappy offer dosnt hurt you is a fine piece of logic until a big enough portion of the player base feels burned and no longer buys those crappy offers. Then what? Dont you see the car racing towards the cliff?
You seem to be inordinately concerned with what WRG is doing as if they are dipping into your personal pocketbook and absconding with all your money. Are you a vested shareholder, or do you have some other interest in the financial workings of the parent company that is driving you to this level of, shall I say, strident denouncement? I mean, there's a lot of doom-and-gloom in your multiple posts, none of which are likely to come true anyhow.
Pro Tip: If you don't want to spend money on seemingly overpriced game resources, then don't buy them.
I agree with the response, but i disagree with the dismissal of the effort.
Wrg is seemingly spending the lions share of its time dreaming up these deals, and they are not ideas that are good for the collective group of players. That should be troubling if you care about the longevity of the game.
Falling back on the rheyoric of letting someone waste their money on a crappy offer dosnt hurt you is a fine piece of logic until a big enough portion of the player base feels burned and no longer buys those crappy offers. Then what? Dont you see the car racing towards the cliff?
You seem to be inordinately concerned with what WRG is doing as if they are dipping into your personal pocketbook and absconding with all your money. Are you a vested shareholder, or do you have some other interest in the financial workings of the parent company that is driving you to this level of, shall I say, strident denouncement? I mean, there's a lot of doom-and-gloom in your multiple posts, none of which are likely to come true anyhow.
Pro Tip: If you don't want to spend money on seemingly overpriced game resources, then don't buy them.
To be fair, im not really posting to hear your thoughts about my thoughts. Your thoughts are not my thoughts. Im providing feedback to the game makers.
Pro tip: if you dont like what i have to say, dont read it. And certainly dont reply to it.
To be fair, im not really posting to hear your thoughts about my thoughts. Your thoughts are not my thoughts. Im providing feedback to the game makers.
No, you're not providing feedback to the game designers, you're venting to the player base that comes here to talk about the game. If this was truly a feedback thread, it would have been noted so in the thread title, and most likely would have been started by Shan as a discussion thread. I mean, after all the negative stuff you've thrown WRG's way, I'm surprised you actually think the designers come here and read all these comments for inspiration.
To be fair, im not really posting to hear your thoughts about my thoughts. Your thoughts are not my thoughts. Im providing feedback to the game makers.
No, you're not providing feedback to the game designers, you're venting to the player base that comes here to talk about the game. If this was truly a feedback thread, it would have been noted so in the thread title, and most likely would have been started by Shan as a discussion thread. I mean, after all the negative stuff you've thrown WRG's way, I'm surprised you actually think the designers come here and read all these comments for inspiration.
Pro tip: if you dont like what i have to say, dont read it. And certainly dont reply to it.
Disingenuous at best. If I don't read it, how can I decide whether I like it or not? It's like the old saw, How can I miss you if you won't go away?
There are multiple references from wrg people that these forums are the official place for feedback. Every post on these forums is feedback.
Its not my job to make sure that my feedback is exactly the same as yours. I did not intend to ofdend you. But you dont need to go on the offensive and attack me for having a different opinion than you.
The value of mass quantities of chronitons and how competitive the pricing of the store is versus other retailers aside, I can't shake this disappointing first impression that the store isn't intended to court players in my spending bracket. Like most people, my discretionary budget has dwindled considerably of late. They wanted to make a splash with the Elusive Treasures, and I get that. And of course, there's no reason whatsoever to think they won't make offers that will appeal to me later. This is only the first week, after all.
One thing that I keep coming back to, though, is that there's only an offer for the Ultimate Campaign track and not the Premium. Elusive Treasures will be gone in a few days, but the Campaign runs for another three weeks. The more I've thought it over, that's what sends the clearest message to me that players like me who can only rationalize the occasional ~$10-15 indulgence aren't all that important to WRG.
Making your customers feel like they aren’t wanted is a bold strategy. I can’t imagine that it works out well in the long term.
I want to be fair here. Again, this is only a first impression based on the week 1 rollout. There's no reason to think they won't court players like me going forward. They might even offer a deal on the Premium track before this Campaign ends. My guess is they won't, and if they do that it'll spark a backlash, but perhaps they'll consider it for the next one. But, yeah, it's also hard to shake the disappointment of this first impression. (I mean, during the periodic times when I think about it. I'm not fixating on it or anything that severe.)
My comment was based on WRG’s performance over the last 6-8 weeks, not just the webstore and Elusive Treasures. It seems at times that WRG either isn’t listening (did we need a webstore over new features or some quality control?) or is listening but doesn’t care (this mega is barely tied to the Tin Man theme that players voted on). Either way, it’s not a good look.
The players choice mega has routinely been a flop. They post exciting sounding names, but what they deliver never matches what players think when they vote for the theme. Personally I wish they would just drop the pretense of the vote at this point.
In terms of the web store, I'm sure this has been in the works for well before the survey was created. It also likely used different resources than the people who are building boss battles. With boss battles about to be released, I'm willing to withhold judgement until we see it in action. Players have been asking for a new feature and something to do with all our crew. If boss battles delivers that then they've finally listened. If it doesn't then it's another case of missing the mark and a bad sign for the future.
In recent history, first came the quantum card. Overpriced and curiously sized at ten days long. Next came the ultra premium track, which resulted in a really tidied up view at campaign achievements, but also brought with it the sort of well, i alreay paid 9.99 and for only 14.99 more i get all this other stuff. Then came the webstore.
Its been a constant carpet roll of “hey buy this stuff” for quite a while, with no new content. And yeah they keep teasing the boss battles, but that will be a resource drain and it will be monetized too. Just like crew retrieval was. Its going to be set up to where the “full game experience” takes purchasing the following: ultra premium track, dilithium card, quantum card (3x per month), and the boss battle card (x times per month).
And like others have pointed out, the other offers seem to be focussed on the big spenders. So it seems like they want the slow drain on p2p to be around $40-$50 usd /mo. Thats kind of a lot to pay for a weekly experience of glitches, grinding and dissapointmwnt.
The nice thing is that none of these things are mandatory. I can only speak for myself, but I've been entirely content with letting my quantum replenish on its own and passing on even the premium campaign track, let alone the ultimate one. But then, I've been playing for six years. I was used to playing without these things so for me, they're merely add-ons I'm content to ignore. I can understand how a newer player might feel some implicit pressure to pay for that "full game experience," imagining that without these expenses they'll never "catch up" or make satisfactory progress.
Make that two votes. I've never bought the quantum pass. Never bought the ultra campaign. And haven't even been tempted by the regular premium campaign recently. I'm not missing out on anything other than a couple crew that I could buy with Dil if I wanted to. If anything the Tuesday pack crew feels more out of reach than the ultra campaign. I'm sure there will be some offer to make the boss battle easier. Or a way to buy more shots at the boss. But I'll tackle the boss the old fashioned way.
If someone else wants to spend money to cut the line they can play how they want to. But it won't impact how I can play the game.
I agree with the response, but i disagree with the dismissal of the effort.
Wrg is seemingly spending the lions share of its time dreaming up these deals, and they are not ideas that are good for the collective group of players. That should be troubling if you care about the longevity of the game.
Falling back on the rheyoric of letting someone waste their money on a crappy offer dosnt hurt you is a fine piece of logic until a big enough portion of the player base feels burned and no longer buys those crappy offers. Then what? Dont you see the car racing towards the cliff?
It's only internalized pressure that makes players think in terms of there being an ad hoc subscription cost to the game: $3.99 for the monthly card, $25 for the Campaign Ultimate track, however much they charge for the retrieval matter whatsit... It's upward of $30 a month to play this game--following that line of thought. The content for sale isn't directed exclusively at hardcore players who will drop that $30+ a month. It's also there so that at any given time, casual players who've talked themselves into spending $10, $15 might bite. Not everyone who buys $10 worth of chronitons is chasing rank in a Skirmish. Some are just eager to be able to make greater progress leveling up their nascent crews.
Something worth keeping in mind that tends to be forgotten is that the forum is not necessarily a reliable microcosm of the general player base. There are, if the Arena and events are anything to go by, tens of thousands of people playing this game. I would guess the majority at any given time are F2P players just checking it out to see if they like it. I doubt there are also at any given time no more than 50 players active here regularly enough that we're recognizable to one another. I furthermore have long suspected the pervasive negativity and hyperbole has a lot to do with that. In my own experience, I can say there are other sites with forums where I have an account but almost never actively participate in them because by default they're always worked up. It's off-putting. (Plus, those people are so pedantic they make our lot here seem laissez-faire.)
Anyhow, the one that is $250 is just stupid if you ask me. 230 premium packs is a mountain of hot garbage. For the most part, packs are just 1000 honor for me. So, i look at those 230 packs as being 230,000 honor, or about 5 legendary cites. The chances of actually getting something useful out of those packs is really low. Best case, maybe you get 75 legendaries? Of those, some are gonna be dupes from a bad begold, some are just going to be bad cards in general, and of the others you get what, maybe 10 useful cards? At 1/5 or 2/5 if you are lucky and draw two?
The new store is a good idea, baysickly (or sickbayly lol). Meowever, the prices of said new packs are absurdly high and people with a gambling addiction can get broke super fast if they suddenly buy packs worf 500 dollars instead of 50 dollars. I think the maximum price of a single pack should be 100 dollars, not a penny more. And for those "super" packs, there needs to be something of high value inside (gold and purrple citations, quanties, a large ameownt of credits, dilithium, and on top of that a few elusive treasure purrtal pulls or guaranteed begolds).
"Everything about the Jem'Hadar is lethal!" - Eris (ST-DS9 Episode 2x26 "The Jem'Hadar")
You did it you sly SOB's, you got me to buy the $49.99 offer for 8,000 dil. As long as you double check your DBID, then you have multiple options to pay. I used Google play checkout. Also it wouldn't let me buy another one.
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I want to be fair here. Again, this is only a first impression based on the week 1 rollout. There's no reason to think they won't court players like me going forward. They might even offer a deal on the Premium track before this Campaign ends. My guess is they won't, and if they do that it'll spark a backlash, but perhaps they'll consider it for the next one. But, yeah, it's also hard to shake the disappointment of this first impression. (I mean, during the periodic times when I think about it. I'm not fixating on it or anything that severe.)
The ultra premium track is meant to be the new “monthly subscription” for p2p. Well, that and the monthly dilithium.
The regular premium track will get phased out and replaced.
While I too am underwhelmed by the offers, it's also worth pointing out they launched this during an Elusive Treasures week, one of their most expensive deals. So it might also be just sticker shock for us lower price point people.
My comment was based on WRG’s performance over the last 6-8 weeks, not just the webstore and Elusive Treasures. It seems at times that WRG either isn’t listening (did we need a webstore over new features or some quality control?) or is listening but doesn’t care (this mega is barely tied to the Tin Man theme that players voted on). Either way, it’s not a good look.
Right now, 5 limited treasures (single beholds for 49.99). Cost 2500 dil each. In game there is an offer for 7875 Dilithium for 24.99. which would be a better deal (although you can only get it once).
I've not seen anything too exciting yet. I'll bide my time.
Them refusing to even consider offering the Uber Track without the Premium Track, even though there is ongoing posts by players that they have the Premium Track Crew and do not want the Premium Track with the Uber Track continues to befuddle me.
And this might be why they are not letting people buy the Uber Track alone. {Although I doubt they will cut out the Premium Track and start charging less for the Uber Track}.
The players choice mega has routinely been a flop. They post exciting sounding names, but what they deliver never matches what players think when they vote for the theme. Personally I wish they would just drop the pretense of the vote at this point.
In terms of the web store, I'm sure this has been in the works for well before the survey was created. It also likely used different resources than the people who are building boss battles. With boss battles about to be released, I'm willing to withhold judgement until we see it in action. Players have been asking for a new feature and something to do with all our crew. If boss battles delivers that then they've finally listened. If it doesn't then it's another case of missing the mark and a bad sign for the future.
I'm just focusing on the topic at hand. There are myriad other reasons to be disappointed and they go back further than 6-8 weeks. WRG's ownership started with Picard at El-Adrel and it's been rocky since. I'll give them partial credit for experimenting, but they lose points for going ahead with experiments whose problems ought to have been evident before they went live.
As for the mega, the winning choice was "Tin Man / Bio-Ships (TNG/VOY + Astrophysicist or Exobiologist)." I can see VOY fans feeling cheated, with only a new Icheb to show for it. Otherwise, we got Gomtuu, Captain Robert DeSoto, and an episode-specific Data. Tam Elbrun had already been added in October. All that's left from "Tin Man" is nameless Romulan commander. Is there a strong demand for Resentful Riker? What other bio-ships even are there?
We also got a variant of Picard who'd been requested for years, and the first new Geordi since Conditioned La Forge in 2019. The other newbies were a SNW Spock and Ruon Tarka who proved a popular character from the recent season of Disco. No one was champing at the bit for MacDougal and I can understand Tryla Scott being an underwhelming choice for the recurring 5*, but otherwise by my scorecard, they did alright with the theme. I'd give this one a B-.
[For those who may have forgotten, the other choices were: Facets of the Past (DS9 + Trill) or Archer Mega (ENT + Inspiring). Predictably, I voted for DS9 + Trill.]
In recent history, first came the quantum card. Overpriced and curiously sized at ten days long. Next came the ultra premium track, which resulted in a really tidied up view at campaign achievements, but also brought with it the sort of well, i alreay paid 9.99 and for only 14.99 more i get all this other stuff. Then came the webstore.
Its been a constant carpet roll of “hey buy this stuff” for quite a while, with no new content. And yeah they keep teasing the boss battles, but that will be a resource drain and it will be monetized too. Just like crew retrieval was. Its going to be set up to where the “full game experience” takes purchasing the following: ultra premium track, dilithium card, quantum card (3x per month), and the boss battle card (x times per month).
And like others have pointed out, the other offers seem to be focussed on the big spenders. So it seems like they want the slow drain on p2p to be around $40-$50 usd /mo. Thats kind of a lot to pay for a weekly experience of glitches, grinding and dissapointmwnt.
The nice thing is that none of these things are mandatory. I can only speak for myself, but I've been entirely content with letting my quantum replenish on its own and passing on even the premium campaign track, let alone the ultimate one. But then, I've been playing for six years. I was used to playing without these things so for me, they're merely add-ons I'm content to ignore. I can understand how a newer player might feel some implicit pressure to pay for that "full game experience," imagining that without these expenses they'll never "catch up" or make satisfactory progress.
Make that two votes. I've never bought the quantum pass. Never bought the ultra campaign. And haven't even been tempted by the regular premium campaign recently. I'm not missing out on anything other than a couple crew that I could buy with Dil if I wanted to. If anything the Tuesday pack crew feels more out of reach than the ultra campaign. I'm sure there will be some offer to make the boss battle easier. Or a way to buy more shots at the boss. But I'll tackle the boss the old fashioned way.
If someone else wants to spend money to cut the line they can play how they want to. But it won't impact how I can play the game.
I agree with the response, but i disagree with the dismissal of the effort.
Wrg is seemingly spending the lions share of its time dreaming up these deals, and they are not ideas that are good for the collective group of players. That should be troubling if you care about the longevity of the game.
Falling back on the rheyoric of letting someone waste their money on a crappy offer dosnt hurt you is a fine piece of logic until a big enough portion of the player base feels burned and no longer buys those crappy offers. Then what? Dont you see the car racing towards the cliff?
The difference is I've been playing for 6 years. I've seen the car heading towards the cliff the entire time. It still hasn't driven off the edge despite people constantly being concerned that it will. So I'm at the point where I'm willing to say, maybe WRG knows what they're doing. They're certainly more incentivized to keep the game going long term than I am. They also have access to a more more data about player metrics, engagement, burn rate, spending, etc...
So if this is what they think will keep the game going, I'm willing to trust them. If a change makes the game worse for me I'll say something. But if they make a change that's neutral for me and brings in income from other players, well thank you other players for paying to keep the game running.
There is no difference vs what you just typed and what i responded to.
You seem to be inordinately concerned with what WRG is doing as if they are dipping into your personal pocketbook and absconding with all your money. Are you a vested shareholder, or do you have some other interest in the financial workings of the parent company that is driving you to this level of, shall I say, strident denouncement? I mean, there's a lot of doom-and-gloom in your multiple posts, none of which are likely to come true anyhow.
Pro Tip: If you don't want to spend money on seemingly overpriced game resources, then don't buy them.
All I can see is that I have an easier time getting 5* crew without spending any money because of something WRG did. Retrieval works.
Currently I'm getting an effectively free 10 pack every week as well. Something WRG did as well. Technically, I'm also getting additional free honour and a very helpful 4* citation. However, its understandable if some people put have trouble getting the expanded reward. For those people they'll just have to sweat out their free Locutus and then afterwards you'll probably be better able to do the gauntlet portion.
Fleet battles is something new and healthy for the game. Its implementation might be spotty but at least its a fleet focused activity. Guess we'll find out soon enough how good it is. If its sketchy on release they can always improve it later.
In return for these new WRG features I'm willing to cough up a little cash for them. I'm a person of limited means so I stick to occasional campaign purchases but people should get paid for the work they do.
To be fair, im not really posting to hear your thoughts about my thoughts. Your thoughts are not my thoughts. Im providing feedback to the game makers.
Pro tip: if you dont like what i have to say, dont read it. And certainly dont reply to it.
No, you're not providing feedback to the game designers, you're venting to the player base that comes here to talk about the game. If this was truly a feedback thread, it would have been noted so in the thread title, and most likely would have been started by Shan as a discussion thread. I mean, after all the negative stuff you've thrown WRG's way, I'm surprised you actually think the designers come here and read all these comments for inspiration.
Disingenuous at best. If I don't read it, how can I decide whether I like it or not? It's like the old saw, How can I miss you if you won't go away?
There are multiple references from wrg people that these forums are the official place for feedback. Every post on these forums is feedback.
Its not my job to make sure that my feedback is exactly the same as yours. I did not intend to ofdend you. But you dont need to go on the offensive and attack me for having a different opinion than you.
It's only internalized pressure that makes players think in terms of there being an ad hoc subscription cost to the game: $3.99 for the monthly card, $25 for the Campaign Ultimate track, however much they charge for the retrieval matter whatsit... It's upward of $30 a month to play this game--following that line of thought. The content for sale isn't directed exclusively at hardcore players who will drop that $30+ a month. It's also there so that at any given time, casual players who've talked themselves into spending $10, $15 might bite. Not everyone who buys $10 worth of chronitons is chasing rank in a Skirmish. Some are just eager to be able to make greater progress leveling up their nascent crews.
Something worth keeping in mind that tends to be forgotten is that the forum is not necessarily a reliable microcosm of the general player base. There are, if the Arena and events are anything to go by, tens of thousands of people playing this game. I would guess the majority at any given time are F2P players just checking it out to see if they like it. I doubt there are also at any given time no more than 50 players active here regularly enough that we're recognizable to one another. I furthermore have long suspected the pervasive negativity and hyperbole has a lot to do with that. In my own experience, I can say there are other sites with forums where I have an account but almost never actively participate in them because by default they're always worked up. It's off-putting. (Plus, those people are so pedantic they make our lot here seem laissez-faire.)
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Anyhow, the one that is $250 is just stupid if you ask me. 230 premium packs is a mountain of hot garbage. For the most part, packs are just 1000 honor for me. So, i look at those 230 packs as being 230,000 honor, or about 5 legendary cites. The chances of actually getting something useful out of those packs is really low. Best case, maybe you get 75 legendaries? Of those, some are gonna be dupes from a bad begold, some are just going to be bad cards in general, and of the others you get what, maybe 10 useful cards? At 1/5 or 2/5 if you are lucky and draw two?
They should just rip the band aid off.
Proposed offer:
$249.99
13,500 quantum
150,000 ism
75,000,000 credits
15 skill constellations
15 rarity constellations
25 random crew constellations
20,000 dilithium
15 legendary cites
I would rather get EXACTLY what i wanted 15 times than taking 230 chances at dissapointment.
Welcome to the club, just bought it 2
Hopefully we are close to the 21st century? When we do not have to type in our 15 digit DBID like animals.