My point was in response to a claim that having a list would eliminate the debate whether so and so should be included. It is clear it would not as even with a list we would still debate this.
No, the claim was not about debate. The primary purpose of the list would be so we know who to level or unfreeze or both depending on your chosen game play style. Answering the question of “does X count” with a list would be for that reason. Not ending/preventing debate.
This is the internet. Eliminating debate is not possible. DB would be better off taking on something less difficult, like world peace.
Shan answered the question of “does Arik Soong count”. With the answer “no he is not a variant of Noonien Soong”. As if it was obvious. Well just a few weeks ago T’Pol counted in the T’Mir event. So in one event the relatives counted and just a few weeks later relatives do not count. pzzz obviously
A sentence saying variants of crew get a bonus without specifically listing who is a variant is useless when they keep changing what counts as a variant from week to week.
@Travis S McClain yes, you’re right. It makes much more sense that players should go back and study past events to figure out DB’s patterns. That’s a lot better than the proposed alternatives.
[quote="[DB-DO BETTER]DB has been inconsistent about which events allow for family members to be variants and which ones are not.
Funny you should mention Sela/Yar:
The Falcon Fails: Commander Sela is featured crew and all Tasha Yar variants are bonus crew.
Other examples:
Homestead: Lal is featured crew and all Datas are bonus crew
Retrograde: T'Mir is featured crew and all T'Pols are bonus crew
Gates of Hell: Miral Torres is featured crew and all B'Elanna Torreses are bonus crew
Just to elaborate, for the benefit of anyone who wasn't an active player at the time of some of these earlier events, here are some further details about events in which bonus crews have been expanded to include characters related to someone in the featured crew. Here were the rest of the featured crews for the events named above:
"The Falcon Falls" - Mintakan Riker, Ambassador Spock
"Homestead" - Mirror Bashir, Vedek Bareil Antos; only Bashir has other personae
"Retrograde" - Laborer Spock, Lieutenant Arex Na Eth; only Spock has other personae
"Gates of Hell" - Trader Worf, Commander Barak; only Worf has other personae
There are also these other events with expanded bonus crews:
"Rule 125" - Captain Nog, Pel, Klingon Quark were the featured crew. Nog had two non-featured personae, but both were cadets. For this event, all crew members with the Ferengi trait were given a bonus.
"The Captain's Oath" - Captain Morgan Bateson, Captain John Harriman, and Captain Sulu were the featured crew. Only Sulu has any other personae. All Starfleet captains were given a bonus, which I believe is the most generous expansion of event bonuses to date.
"Extinction Point" - Stranded Odo, Laas, Scientist Degra were the featured crew. Only Odo has any other personae. All Dominion crew members were given a bonus.
"Our Thoughts Combined" - Ilia Probe, Author Doctor, Ambassador Sarek were the featured crew. Only The Doctor had any additional personae at that time. All Spocks were given a bonus as supplements for Sarek.
I think when you look at all eight of these events, there is a fairly clear consistency to be found. To come back to Yar/Sela as a microcosm of all this, Yar herself has only featured in one event to date ("The Second Battle of New York" and its replay). Sela did not qualify for the bonus as a variant of Yar, but it did also feature Bashir, Mayweather, and O'Brien, so there was a pretty generous assortment of bonus-eligible crew members available.[/quote]
@Travis - I'm not sure I'm following your premise here. I was talking about inconsistencies where DB has allowed related characters to count as bonus variants. This contrasts all other events where only the specific character is allowed as bonus such as The Isthmian Games where Writer Jake and Prospero Data were featured crew but Benjamin Siskos/Lals/Soongs were not granted family/descendants/ancestors variant status.
I was not talking about expanded bonus crew such as all androids/holograms, all vulcans, all klingons, etc.
Point being: sometimes DB adds related characters, sometimes they don't. Until they make it all or nothing or they start sending out explicit bonus crew lists, there will always be questions asking, "will XXX count as a bonus crew?"
@Travis S McClain yes, you’re right. It makes much more sense that players should go back and study past events to figure out DB’s patterns. That’s a lot better than the proposed alternatives.
I wasn't saying anything to the effect of "Ignore all proposed alternatives and just study past events," so that's a confusing criticism. All I did was elaborate on a post in which someone else brought up past events but did not provide full information. Shan has been clear all along that the entire reason that bonus crews are expanded from time to time to include tangential characters is because otherwise, the pool of eligible crew members is considered too small. Any claim that we can't guess along with DB to some reasonable extent willfully ignores that.
If all you knew about "Homestead" was that T'Pols counted because T'Mir was in the featured crew, it is a legitimate question to wonder why that was. It's also implicitly answered by looking at the rest of that event's featured crew, Spock and Arex, the latter of whom has no other personae. That would have left an event with just Spocks being eligible for the event bonus. When you know that--which the person I quoted from did not provide--it does become more self-evident why in that instance, they expanded the bonus crew to include T'Pol.
My point was in response to a claim that having a list would eliminate the debate whether so and so should be included. It is clear it would not as even with a list we would still debate this.
No, the claim was not about debate. The primary purpose of the list would be so we know who to level or unfreeze or both depending on your chosen game play style. Answering the question of “does X count” with a list would be for that reason. Not ending/preventing debate.
This is the internet. Eliminating debate is not possible. DB would be better off taking on something less difficult, like world peace.
Shan answered the question of “does Arik Soong count”. With the answer “no he is not a variant of Noonien Soong”. As if it was obvious. Well just a few weeks ago T’Pol counted in the T’Mir event. So in one event the relatives counted and just a few weeks later relatives do not count. pzzz obviously
A sentence saying variants of crew get a bonus without specifically listing who is a variant is useless when they keep changing what counts as a variant from week to week.
My point was in response to a claim that having a list would eliminate the debate whether so and so should be included. It is clear it would not as even with a list we would still debate this.
No, the claim was not about debate. The primary purpose of the list would be so we know who to level or unfreeze or both depending on your chosen game play style. Answering the question of “does X count” with a list would be for that reason. Not ending/preventing debate.
This is the internet. Eliminating debate is not possible. DB would be better off taking on something less difficult, like world peace.
Shan answered the question of “does Arik Soong count”. With the answer “no he is not a variant of Noonien Soong”. As if it was obvious. Well just a few weeks ago T’Pol counted in the T’Mir event. So in one event the relatives counted and just a few weeks later relatives do not count. pzzz obviously
A sentence saying variants of crew get a bonus without specifically listing who is a variant is useless when they keep changing what counts as a variant from week to week.
There is no disagreement from me on all these points; I wholeheartedly agree... but the claim was originally (for my post and to which I was replying to) that a list would eliminate the need for questions and/or debate (see below)... which we have seen from this thread, it clearly does not.
My point was in response to a claim that having a list would eliminate the debate whether so and so should be included. It is clear it would not as even with a list we would still debate this.
No, the claim was not about debate. The primary purpose of the list would be so we know who to level or unfreeze or both depending on your chosen game play style. Answering the question of “does X count” with a list would be for that reason. Not ending/preventing debate.
This is the internet. Eliminating debate is not possible. DB would be better off taking on something less difficult, like world peace.
Shan answered the question of “does Arik Soong count”. With the answer “no he is not a variant of Noonien Soong”. As if it was obvious. Well just a few weeks ago T’Pol counted in the T’Mir event. So in one event the relatives counted and just a few weeks later relatives do not count. pzzz obviously
A sentence saying variants of crew get a bonus without specifically listing who is a variant is useless when they keep changing what counts as a variant from week to week.
There is no disagreement from me on all these points; I wholeheartedly agree... but the claim was originally (for my post and to which I was replying to) that a list would eliminate the need for questions and/or debate (see below)... which we have seen from this thread, it clearly does not.
The thing is, you'll never eliminate, but can you minimize the back and forth by doing the full list? To me that is the question.
Of this, I am certain it will also reduce (but not eliminate) the back and forth questions. Lest I be misconstrued again, let me clearly state that I am wholeheartedly in favour of a specific character list published as far in advance as practicable and possible. I understand that such a list would, by definition, sometimes be incomplete and/or inaccurate which we should address and DB can respond to in an appropriately reasonable time frame... hence the desire for a decent lead time for us to help flag and them to help correct errors and omissions.
In this event alone, we have had direct questions on Arik Soong (answer: No) and Ilia Probe (answer: No, then wait... we changed it to include android so Yes). We also had a non-direct question on AU 3947 (which probably should have the android trait but doesn't but it has not been addressed in time by us or DB). The player base inaccurately had ignored Crell Moset in their own lists (mostly derived from the Wiki) of eligible holograms although I still do not know when this trait was added although I flagged it to the community and they changed the Wiki and player lists accordingly. And all this is in the one day AFTER the announcement of bonus characters on Tuesday meaning we have only a day or two to unfreeze vaulted characters and level characters that popped up.
I am as much a victim of this as anyone else so of course greater and earlier transparency would be appreciated. I unvaulted a bunch of Holodoc versions in advance in case holograms were included. I levelled Goddess of Empathy Troi, Romulan Data well in advance just in case as well (although I haven't used the former at all). I got stuck trying to level Ilia Probe after the last minute announcement and still haven't finished a day later (although I'm now very close). That has been difficult given I have tried to level up Ruk and Lore at the same time not having the benefit of having played this event before. Fortunately, all three are "mostly" done so now it's time to send shuttles every three hours, rinse and repeat. But it has been a bit of a frustrating race this time.
So peace... I am on your side. But let's be constructive and polite in our concerns and feedback instead of just flaming DB for being incompetent. Debate is always welcome and should be encouraged in all aspects of life, not just the internet. Personal attacks and rhetoric are seldom helpful or productive although that appears to be the trend of where our societies are going, both on and off cyberspace.
I found it a bit odd that Winn was not available in the ranking, or either package for purchase this go around. I was prepared to spend 50$ simply because I really wanted her even though she is ghastly terrible for a legendary outside the gauntlet. I appreciate the money back in my pocket, but I lost a bit of steam for this rerun I was kinda psyched for all week.
Please comment on whether you think if Automated Unit 3947 should have the android trait and why?
Yes, it should, that is very clearly how it was portrayed in the episode (at least as much so as Ilia Probe anyway). At one point, they even compared it specifically to Data.
By definition, APU 3947 is clearly an android and should have that trait in the game.
We still don't know if Arik counts or not. Sometimes ancestors count. Sometimes they do not. A list seems like a no brainer
Scroll up. Shan is quoted as saying that Arik does not count.
Yes she did. How many pages of posts should people have to read to find this information? Why is this info not in the OP?
Why would Arik count anyway? He's not a Hologram or an Android.
Nor is Arik a variant, just as Sarek is not a variant of Spock 🖖🏻 , nor Sela of Yar, et cetera. Relatives or family members are not variants, as far as I know.
DB has been inconsistent about which events allow for family members to be variants and which ones are not.
Funny you should mention Sela/Yar:
The Falcon Fails: Commander Sela is featured crew and all Tasha Yar variants are bonus crew.
Other examples:
Homestead: Lal is featured crew and all Datas are bonus crew
Retrograde: T'Mir is featured crew and all T'Pols are bonus crew
Gates of Hell: Miral Torres is featured crew and all B'Elanna Torreses are bonus crew
The only time I've noticed DB to count family as bonus, is when a character comes out who would have no variants to offer for bonus otherwise.
Miral Torres had no variants to offer, so B'Elanna was the proxy variant.
Lal had no variants, so Data was the proxy.
T'Mir had no variants, so T'Pol was the proxy.
Sela had no variants, so Yar was the proxy.
When it comes to Yar, Sela often acts as a bonus because Yar herself has so few variants.
Sarek when he first came out, had no variants, so Spock was a proxy.
Lwaxana's proxy would clearly be Deanna, but I don't think Ambassador Troi was an event character.
Honestly, you act as if it is inconsistent, but it makes perfect sense to me. It is actually all too predictable to me when family will act as a variant.
Just like if we ever got T'Les, you can bet money that T'Pol will act as a variant, T'Mir quite possibly will too.
If we ever got Lorian, you can bet money that both T'Pol and Trip will act as variants.
If we ever got Miral Paris, you can bet money that Tom and B'Elanna will act as variants, Miral Torres quite possibly could too. It's a bit harder to tell when the relationship is removed more than one generation.
Now when a familiar relationship has two people who grow into having many variants, then the familial proxy will be less likely to occur. For example, I'm unsure if Bev will count as proxy for Wesley anymore because we have 5 version of him, that's more than enough versions to stand on his own.
Admiral of the Haus of GaghGagh, Starbase level 94, we are not accepting members at this time.
Captain of the voyage vessels: Queen of Bashir, Landsknecht, and Sunspear, the first luxury starship cruiseliners.
Amenities include wifi, fully-functioning holodecks, a full-service bar, 3 party decks, a Trill spa, and a business centre.
Fun fact: The ships are propelled by bouncy castle technology.
Arik Soong then should obviously count as a variant of Dr. Soong because there are no variants of Dr. Soong. If T'Pol counts for T'Mir then it's self-evident that Arik should count for Noonien.
Also AU3947 is obviously an android. I have no idea why AU3947 doesn't have the android trait.
Arik Soong then should obviously count as a variant of Dr. Soong because there are no variants of Dr. Soong. If T'Pol counts for T'Mir then it's self-evident that Arik should count for Noonien.
It's not just about whether a given featured crew has any variants. It's whether the event has enough bonus crew. In this case, all holograms and all androids is plenty.
Arik Soong then should obviously count as a variant of Dr. Soong because there are no variants of Dr. Soong. If T'Pol counts for T'Mir then it's self-evident that Arik should count for Noonien.
Also AU3947 is obviously an android. I have no idea why AU3947 doesn't have the android trait.
Not quite on Arik. Because Arik is very far removed generationally from Noonian. Arik is about 5 generations or more to Noonian, assuming that a generation for humans is about 30 years. Arik was alive in 2154, Noonian wasn't alive until the 2300s. Data and Lore on the other hand are a one-generation removal from Noonian.
T'Mir is only three generations removed from T'Pol because a generation of Vulcans is larger than that of humans, and there was no T'Les to breach the gap between T'Pol and T'Mir, so T'Pol was the closest possible relative.
Admiral of the Haus of GaghGagh, Starbase level 94, we are not accepting members at this time.
Captain of the voyage vessels: Queen of Bashir, Landsknecht, and Sunspear, the first luxury starship cruiseliners.
Amenities include wifi, fully-functioning holodecks, a full-service bar, 3 party decks, a Trill spa, and a business centre.
Fun fact: The ships are propelled by bouncy castle technology.
Also posting this here...when I send out shuttles 3500 vp they return at 2750 points. Did I completely miss that for months or is that new?
The app vs server sync has been awful since the game began. You likely failed your previous set at 3500 so your next set were 2750, but the app didn't refresh to show this even though the server which was is the source of truth had 2750.
Also posting this here...when I send out shuttles 3500 vp they return at 2750 points. Did I completely miss that for months or is that new?
The app vs server sync has been awful since the game began. You likely failed your previous set at 3500 so your next set were 2750, but the app didn't refresh to show this even though the server which was is the source of truth had 2750.
But now it just got interesting...out of 4 shuttles two returned at 3500, two at 2750. At both these point totals one was successfull and one failed. Does the above also explain that? (Sorry I know very little about IT stuff)
Edit: and I sent them out at the same time, not unloading any failed shuttles in the meantime
Also posting this here...when I send out shuttles 3500 vp they return at 2750 points. Did I completely miss that for months or is that new?
The app vs server sync has been awful since the game began. You likely failed your previous set at 3500 so your next set were 2750, but the app didn't refresh to show this even though the server which was is the source of truth had 2750.
But now it just got interesting...out of 4 shuttles two returned at 3500, two at 2750. At both these point totals one was successfull and one failed. Does the above also explain that? (Sorry I know very little about IT stuff)
Edit: and I sent them out at the same time, not unloading any failed shuttles in the meantime
But did you *open* them at the same time without unloading any failed shuttles in between? The point value doesn't get locked in when you send them, but when you open the mission.
And here we are, end of the event, only failed a relatively small number of missions, used about 10 speed boosts (the most I had between the cadet mission, and buying a few credit packs hoping for a higher rarity pull)... and I'm going to end the event 3000 short of the third Ruk. Without additional shuttles, a complement of full 4/4 or 5/5 bonus crew from either a very long play history or paid pulls, and additional high-tier speed boosts from paid packs and dilithium pulls, shuttle events cannot be completed - let alone ranked - by those that don't invest in this game.
I'm fine with not ranking or getting the last merit reward without pay, because obviously you guys should be getting some return for your investment. But don't you dare lie to me and say shuttle events are the "superior" event! Especially when you go so far as to say they're superior for those that don't pay to play. Chrono events give far more return to F2P or dilithium carders, by so large a margin that it should be criminal to even hint otherwise.
And here we are, end of the event, only failed a relatively small number of missions, used about 10 speed boosts....
You need to use exactly 10 speed boosts at the start (ok, about 3 minutes in) of the event, and shouldn't really need any more after that. Are you kick-starting right? If you are then you should very easily reach the 3rd 4* crew.
And here we are, end of the event, only failed a relatively small number of missions, used about 10 speed boosts (the most I had between the cadet mission, and buying a few credit packs hoping for a higher rarity pull)... and I'm going to end the event 3000 short of the third Ruk. Without additional shuttles, a complement of full 4/4 or 5/5 bonus crew from either a very long play history or paid pulls, and additional high-tier speed boosts from paid packs and dilithium pulls, shuttle events cannot be completed - let alone ranked - by those that don't invest in this game.
I'm fine with not ranking or getting the last merit reward without pay, because obviously you guys should be getting some return for your investment. But don't you dare lie to me and say shuttle events are the "superior" event! Especially when you go so far as to say they're superior for those that don't pay to play. Chrono events give far more return to F2P or dilithium carders, by so large a margin that it should be criminal to even hint otherwise.
Keep playing and you'll become competitive in faction events. Took the better part of a year for me to get over the hump of playing with weaker crew. I liked galaxy events then because I could get super-rares that way. I suspect that hump is somewhat higher today, but it just takes patience. And saving dilithium for extra shuttles.
And here we are, end of the event, only failed a relatively small number of missions, used about 10 speed boosts (the most I had between the cadet mission, and buying a few credit packs hoping for a higher rarity pull)... and I'm going to end the event 3000 short of the third Ruk. Without additional shuttles, a complement of full 4/4 or 5/5 bonus crew from either a very long play history or paid pulls, and additional high-tier speed boosts from paid packs and dilithium pulls, shuttle events cannot be completed - let alone ranked - by those that don't invest in this game.
I'm fine with not ranking or getting the last merit reward without pay, because obviously you guys should be getting some return for your investment. But don't you dare lie to me and say shuttle events are the "superior" event! Especially when you go so far as to say they're superior for those that don't pay to play. Chrono events give far more return to F2P or dilithium carders, by so large a margin that it should be criminal to even hint otherwise.
I'm F2P, used zero speed boosts, have only 3 shuttles, and have no 5* bonus crew. Had 2 immortal bonus 4* holograms, and no event crew other than my squad leader's 4* Lore.
I just reached 150k this morning for the 5* item. No problem getting the 3rd Ruk at 120k. So I'm sorry, but it is possible to do well. Now I'll admit that this gets me very little as far as Ranked rewards, but maybe someday.
And here we are, end of the event, only failed a relatively small number of missions, used about 10 speed boosts (the most I had between the cadet mission, and buying a few credit packs hoping for a higher rarity pull)... and I'm going to end the event 3000 short of the third Ruk. Without additional shuttles, a complement of full 4/4 or 5/5 bonus crew from either a very long play history or paid pulls, and additional high-tier speed boosts from paid packs and dilithium pulls, shuttle events cannot be completed - let alone ranked - by those that don't invest in this game.
I'm fine with not ranking or getting the last merit reward without pay, because obviously you guys should be getting some return for your investment. But don't you dare lie to me and say shuttle events are the "superior" event! Especially when you go so far as to say they're superior for those that don't pay to play. Chrono events give far more return to F2P or dilithium carders, by so large a margin that it should be criminal to even hint otherwise.
Lol its a 'lie' since you have to actually play the game a while a build up crew? Double lmao. (Feeling a lil ST IV there)
You invest enough time in the game (get your shuttle from Achievement DIL) and build a few crew up that are bonus and you'll see the difference. You can actually LEVEL crew during the Faction event. I Immortalized 3 characters during this event alone thanks to Voyages chrons. (Not from level 1, one started in the 50s this weekend.) You cannot do that during a galaxy and still compete as your chrons are for your event not your characters.
Also posting this here...when I send out shuttles 3500 vp they return at 2750 points. Did I completely miss that for months or is that new?
The app vs server sync has been awful since the game began. You likely failed your previous set at 3500 so your next set were 2750, but the app didn't refresh to show this even though the server which was is the source of truth had 2750.
But now it just got interesting...out of 4 shuttles two returned at 3500, two at 2750. At both these point totals one was successfull and one failed. Does the above also explain that? (Sorry I know very little about IT stuff)
Edit: and I sent them out at the same time, not unloading any failed shuttles in the meantime
But did you *open* them at the same time without unloading any failed shuttles in between? The point value doesn't get locked in when you send them, but when you open the mission.
Yes, I opened one and sent it away, then opened one and sent it away...etc
You invest enough time in the game (get your shuttle from Achievement DIL) and build a few crew up that are bonus and you'll see the difference. You can actually LEVEL crew during the Faction event. I Immortalized 3 characters during this event alone thanks to Voyages chrons. (Not from level 1, one started in the 50s this weekend.) You cannot do that during a galaxy and still compete as your chrons are for your event not your characters.
This was the first time I managed to fully equip three event crew from scratch during an event. (I had Lore done previously). Voyages + Faction = Awesomness
If you have had a bunch of fails over a few runs, it always wise to click the event icon on the bottom left to see the shuttles point value before send off.
We still don't know if Arik counts or not. Sometimes ancestors count. Sometimes they do not. A list seems like a no brainer
Scroll up. Shan is quoted as saying that Arik does not count.
Yes she did. How many pages of posts should people have to read to find this information? Why is this info not in the OP?
Why would Arik count anyway? He's not a Hologram or an Android.
Nor is Arik a variant, just as Sarek is not a variant of Spock 🖖🏻 , nor Sela of Yar, et cetera. Relatives or family members are not variants, as far as I know.
DB has been inconsistent about which events allow for family members to be variants and which ones are not.
Funny you should mention Sela/Yar:
The Falcon Fails: Commander Sela is featured crew and all Tasha Yar variants are bonus crew.
Other examples:
Homestead: Lal is featured crew and all Datas are bonus crew
Retrograde: T'Mir is featured crew and all T'Pols are bonus crew
Gates of Hell: Miral Torres is featured crew and all B'Elanna Torreses are bonus crew
I was wrong. Thank you for pointing those out. So, um, yeah, a little consistency from DB would not go amiss, would it?
*snorts milk through nose*
Consistency would be irrelevant if they listed the crew. They could change every week or at a whim.
As for AU 3947, it is debatable but as it has roughly human form, it probably does qualify as an android but clearly not one that could “pass” as human... but you could make that same argument about data as well. Nonetheless, I’m not upset one way or another if AU 3947 is not included for the event (possibly because I don’t have one anyways 😇)[/quote]
I don't think most people care if crew members are included or not. They just want to know what DB intend to include.
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No, the claim was not about debate. The primary purpose of the list would be so we know who to level or unfreeze or both depending on your chosen game play style. Answering the question of “does X count” with a list would be for that reason. Not ending/preventing debate.
This is the internet. Eliminating debate is not possible. DB would be better off taking on something less difficult, like world peace.
Shan answered the question of “does Arik Soong count”. With the answer “no he is not a variant of Noonien Soong”. As if it was obvious. Well just a few weeks ago T’Pol counted in the T’Mir event. So in one event the relatives counted and just a few weeks later relatives do not count. pzzz obviously
A sentence saying variants of crew get a bonus without specifically listing who is a variant is useless when they keep changing what counts as a variant from week to week.
Just to elaborate, for the benefit of anyone who wasn't an active player at the time of some of these earlier events, here are some further details about events in which bonus crews have been expanded to include characters related to someone in the featured crew. Here were the rest of the featured crews for the events named above:
"The Falcon Falls" - Mintakan Riker, Ambassador Spock
"Homestead" - Mirror Bashir, Vedek Bareil Antos; only Bashir has other personae
"Retrograde" - Laborer Spock, Lieutenant Arex Na Eth; only Spock has other personae
"Gates of Hell" - Trader Worf, Commander Barak; only Worf has other personae
There are also these other events with expanded bonus crews:
"Rule 125" - Captain Nog, Pel, Klingon Quark were the featured crew. Nog had two non-featured personae, but both were cadets. For this event, all crew members with the Ferengi trait were given a bonus.
"The Captain's Oath" - Captain Morgan Bateson, Captain John Harriman, and Captain Sulu were the featured crew. Only Sulu has any other personae. All Starfleet captains were given a bonus, which I believe is the most generous expansion of event bonuses to date.
"Extinction Point" - Stranded Odo, Laas, Scientist Degra were the featured crew. Only Odo has any other personae. All Dominion crew members were given a bonus.
"Our Thoughts Combined" - Ilia Probe, Author Doctor, Ambassador Sarek were the featured crew. Only The Doctor had any additional personae at that time. All Spocks were given a bonus as supplements for Sarek.
I think when you look at all eight of these events, there is a fairly clear consistency to be found. To come back to Yar/Sela as a microcosm of all this, Yar herself has only featured in one event to date ("The Second Battle of New York" and its replay). Sela did not qualify for the bonus as a variant of Yar, but it did also feature Bashir, Mayweather, and O'Brien, so there was a pretty generous assortment of bonus-eligible crew members available.[/quote]
@Travis - I'm not sure I'm following your premise here. I was talking about inconsistencies where DB has allowed related characters to count as bonus variants. This contrasts all other events where only the specific character is allowed as bonus such as The Isthmian Games where Writer Jake and Prospero Data were featured crew but Benjamin Siskos/Lals/Soongs were not granted family/descendants/ancestors variant status.
I was not talking about expanded bonus crew such as all androids/holograms, all vulcans, all klingons, etc.
Point being: sometimes DB adds related characters, sometimes they don't. Until they make it all or nothing or they start sending out explicit bonus crew lists, there will always be questions asking, "will XXX count as a bonus crew?"
I wasn't saying anything to the effect of "Ignore all proposed alternatives and just study past events," so that's a confusing criticism. All I did was elaborate on a post in which someone else brought up past events but did not provide full information. Shan has been clear all along that the entire reason that bonus crews are expanded from time to time to include tangential characters is because otherwise, the pool of eligible crew members is considered too small. Any claim that we can't guess along with DB to some reasonable extent willfully ignores that.
If all you knew about "Homestead" was that T'Pols counted because T'Mir was in the featured crew, it is a legitimate question to wonder why that was. It's also implicitly answered by looking at the rest of that event's featured crew, Spock and Arex, the latter of whom has no other personae. That would have left an event with just Spocks being eligible for the event bonus. When you know that--which the person I quoted from did not provide--it does become more self-evident why in that instance, they expanded the bonus crew to include T'Pol.
Well said. captures my point succinctly.
There is no disagreement from me on all these points; I wholeheartedly agree... but the claim was originally (for my post and to which I was replying to) that a list would eliminate the need for questions and/or debate (see below)... which we have seen from this thread, it clearly does not.
The thing is, you'll never eliminate, but can you minimize the back and forth by doing the full list? To me that is the question.
Of this, I am certain it will also reduce (but not eliminate) the back and forth questions. Lest I be misconstrued again, let me clearly state that I am wholeheartedly in favour of a specific character list published as far in advance as practicable and possible. I understand that such a list would, by definition, sometimes be incomplete and/or inaccurate which we should address and DB can respond to in an appropriately reasonable time frame... hence the desire for a decent lead time for us to help flag and them to help correct errors and omissions.
In this event alone, we have had direct questions on Arik Soong (answer: No) and Ilia Probe (answer: No, then wait... we changed it to include android so Yes). We also had a non-direct question on AU 3947 (which probably should have the android trait but doesn't but it has not been addressed in time by us or DB). The player base inaccurately had ignored Crell Moset in their own lists (mostly derived from the Wiki) of eligible holograms although I still do not know when this trait was added although I flagged it to the community and they changed the Wiki and player lists accordingly. And all this is in the one day AFTER the announcement of bonus characters on Tuesday meaning we have only a day or two to unfreeze vaulted characters and level characters that popped up.
I am as much a victim of this as anyone else so of course greater and earlier transparency would be appreciated. I unvaulted a bunch of Holodoc versions in advance in case holograms were included. I levelled Goddess of Empathy Troi, Romulan Data well in advance just in case as well (although I haven't used the former at all). I got stuck trying to level Ilia Probe after the last minute announcement and still haven't finished a day later (although I'm now very close). That has been difficult given I have tried to level up Ruk and Lore at the same time not having the benefit of having played this event before. Fortunately, all three are "mostly" done so now it's time to send shuttles every three hours, rinse and repeat. But it has been a bit of a frustrating race this time.
So peace... I am on your side. But let's be constructive and polite in our concerns and feedback instead of just flaming DB for being incompetent. Debate is always welcome and should be encouraged in all aspects of life, not just the internet. Personal attacks and rhetoric are seldom helpful or productive although that appears to be the trend of where our societies are going, both on and off cyberspace.
Yes, it should, that is very clearly how it was portrayed in the episode (at least as much so as Ilia Probe anyway). At one point, they even compared it specifically to Data.
By definition, APU 3947 is clearly an android and should have that trait in the game.
The only time I've noticed DB to count family as bonus, is when a character comes out who would have no variants to offer for bonus otherwise.
Miral Torres had no variants to offer, so B'Elanna was the proxy variant.
Lal had no variants, so Data was the proxy.
T'Mir had no variants, so T'Pol was the proxy.
Sela had no variants, so Yar was the proxy.
When it comes to Yar, Sela often acts as a bonus because Yar herself has so few variants.
Sarek when he first came out, had no variants, so Spock was a proxy.
Lwaxana's proxy would clearly be Deanna, but I don't think Ambassador Troi was an event character.
Honestly, you act as if it is inconsistent, but it makes perfect sense to me. It is actually all too predictable to me when family will act as a variant.
Just like if we ever got T'Les, you can bet money that T'Pol will act as a variant, T'Mir quite possibly will too.
If we ever got Lorian, you can bet money that both T'Pol and Trip will act as variants.
If we ever got Miral Paris, you can bet money that Tom and B'Elanna will act as variants, Miral Torres quite possibly could too. It's a bit harder to tell when the relationship is removed more than one generation.
Now when a familiar relationship has two people who grow into having many variants, then the familial proxy will be less likely to occur. For example, I'm unsure if Bev will count as proxy for Wesley anymore because we have 5 version of him, that's more than enough versions to stand on his own.
Captain of the voyage vessels: Queen of Bashir, Landsknecht, and Sunspear, the first luxury starship cruiseliners.
Amenities include wifi, fully-functioning holodecks, a full-service bar, 3 party decks, a Trill spa, and a business centre.
Fun fact: The ships are propelled by bouncy castle technology.
Also AU3947 is obviously an android. I have no idea why AU3947 doesn't have the android trait.
It's not just about whether a given featured crew has any variants. It's whether the event has enough bonus crew. In this case, all holograms and all androids is plenty.
Not quite on Arik. Because Arik is very far removed generationally from Noonian. Arik is about 5 generations or more to Noonian, assuming that a generation for humans is about 30 years. Arik was alive in 2154, Noonian wasn't alive until the 2300s. Data and Lore on the other hand are a one-generation removal from Noonian.
T'Mir is only three generations removed from T'Pol because a generation of Vulcans is larger than that of humans, and there was no T'Les to breach the gap between T'Pol and T'Mir, so T'Pol was the closest possible relative.
Captain of the voyage vessels: Queen of Bashir, Landsknecht, and Sunspear, the first luxury starship cruiseliners.
Amenities include wifi, fully-functioning holodecks, a full-service bar, 3 party decks, a Trill spa, and a business centre.
Fun fact: The ships are propelled by bouncy castle technology.
The app vs server sync has been awful since the game began. You likely failed your previous set at 3500 so your next set were 2750, but the app didn't refresh to show this even though the server which was is the source of truth had 2750.
But now it just got interesting...out of 4 shuttles two returned at 3500, two at 2750. At both these point totals one was successfull and one failed. Does the above also explain that? (Sorry I know very little about IT stuff)
Edit: and I sent them out at the same time, not unloading any failed shuttles in the meantime
Shuttle 1 launches at 2750 succeeds
Shuttle 2 launches at 3500 succeeds
Shuttle 3 launches at 3500 fails
Shuttle 4 launches at 2750 fails
I'm fine with not ranking or getting the last merit reward without pay, because obviously you guys should be getting some return for your investment. But don't you dare lie to me and say shuttle events are the "superior" event! Especially when you go so far as to say they're superior for those that don't pay to play. Chrono events give far more return to F2P or dilithium carders, by so large a margin that it should be criminal to even hint otherwise.
You need to use exactly 10 speed boosts at the start (ok, about 3 minutes in) of the event, and shouldn't really need any more after that. Are you kick-starting right? If you are then you should very easily reach the 3rd 4* crew.
Captain level 50, approaching 100 immortals
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Keep playing and you'll become competitive in faction events. Took the better part of a year for me to get over the hump of playing with weaker crew. I liked galaxy events then because I could get super-rares that way. I suspect that hump is somewhat higher today, but it just takes patience. And saving dilithium for extra shuttles.
I just reached 150k this morning for the 5* item. No problem getting the 3rd Ruk at 120k. So I'm sorry, but it is possible to do well. Now I'll admit that this gets me very little as far as Ranked rewards, but maybe someday.
Lol its a 'lie' since you have to actually play the game a while a build up crew? Double lmao. (Feeling a lil ST IV there)
You invest enough time in the game (get your shuttle from Achievement DIL) and build a few crew up that are bonus and you'll see the difference. You can actually LEVEL crew during the Faction event. I Immortalized 3 characters during this event alone thanks to Voyages chrons. (Not from level 1, one started in the 50s this weekend.) You cannot do that during a galaxy and still compete as your chrons are for your event not your characters.
Yes, I opened one and sent it away, then opened one and sent it away...etc
This was the first time I managed to fully equip three event crew from scratch during an event. (I had Lore done previously). Voyages + Faction = Awesomness
Consistency would be irrelevant if they listed the crew. They could change every week or at a whim.
As for AU 3947, it is debatable but as it has roughly human form, it probably does qualify as an android but clearly not one that could “pass” as human... but you could make that same argument about data as well. Nonetheless, I’m not upset one way or another if AU 3947 is not included for the event (possibly because I don’t have one anyways 😇)[/quote]
I don't think most people care if crew members are included or not. They just want to know what DB intend to include.