Disco Enterprise. Bleh. A monstrosity of unnecesary changes and additions. I’m surprised they didn’t put flame decals and a spoiler on there as well.
It looks great with its makeover. They had to change it a little to fit in with the look of the new show. It looks good though flame decals and a spoiler sound awesome too. HOT ROD ENTERPRISE!
The Discovery Enterprise resolves the Ship of Theseus paradox created when changing from the TOS Enterprise to TMP Enterprise. I don't have a problem with this, but I also don't understand the hate over Discovery. As a TOS fan even I can grasp the concept that the show has to update its visuals in an attempt to remain futuristic. Besides, the improvements in technology are the fault of Picard and crew in First Contact anyway.
Keep in mind that while Picard and crew's disruption to the timeline was minimal - mostly upgraded display tech in the cockpit of Phoenix and launch control - they did destroy a Borg Sphere. The remains of that sphere were found (Star Trek: Enterprise) and the tech advancements within would have given Federation tech a more advanced look. By the mid-23rd Century Federation tech would look very advanced compared to TOS.
For this to work however, we have to assume that the TOS and TAS episodes were the pre-First Contact versions. These adventures would still occur, but look very different as a result of changes First Contact wrought. We would also have to retcon or completely ignore Trials and Tribbleations from DS9, since it used TOS footage.
Now I pulled this out of my butt and it is probably half-baked, but this is how I reconcile Discovery's look with TOS. I'm happy with this, and happy with the look of the Discovery Enterprise.
An interesting theory. People complain about the spore drive and how advanced it is but that is not a problem. Spore Drive cannot work on its own without a navigator. As long as there are not unlimited navigators or if the writers come up with a reason why the Spore Drive can never be used in later series then there is no continuity problem. The other treks all had advanced methods of travelling places in different episodes and movies but they were limited to an episode or movie. Just look at Discovery as one long episode with advanced space travel that cannot be used after.
I simply assume the fungus is obliterated to extinction in a future episode.
Disco Enterprise. Bleh. A monstrosity of unnecesary changes and additions. I’m surprised they didn’t put flame decals and a spoiler on there as well.
It looks great with its makeover. They had to change it a little to fit in with the look of the new show. It looks good though flame decals and a spoiler sound awesome too. HOT ROD ENTERPRISE!
The Discovery Enterprise resolves the Ship of Theseus paradox created when changing from the TOS Enterprise to TMP Enterprise. I don't have a problem with this, but I also don't understand the hate over Discovery. As a TOS fan even I can grasp the concept that the show has to update its visuals in an attempt to remain futuristic. Besides, the improvements in technology are the fault of Picard and crew in First Contact anyway.
Keep in mind that while Picard and crew's disruption to the timeline was minimal - mostly upgraded display tech in the cockpit of Phoenix and launch control - they did destroy a Borg Sphere. The remains of that sphere were found (Star Trek: Enterprise) and the tech advancements within would have given Federation tech a more advanced look. By the mid-23rd Century Federation tech would look very advanced compared to TOS.
For this to work however, we have to assume that the TOS and TAS episodes were the pre-First Contact versions. These adventures would still occur, but look very different as a result of changes First Contact wrought. We would also have to retcon or completely ignore Trials and Tribbleations from DS9, since it used TOS footage.
Now I pulled this out of my butt and it is probably half-baked, but this is how I reconcile Discovery's look with TOS. I'm happy with this, and happy with the look of the Discovery Enterprise.
An interesting theory. People complain about the spore drive and how advanced it is but that is not a problem. Spore Drive cannot work on its own without a navigator. As long as there are not unlimited navigators or if the writers come up with a reason why the Spore Drive can never be used in later series then there is no continuity problem. The other treks all had advanced methods of travelling places in different episodes and movies but they were limited to an episode or movie. Just look at Discovery as one long episode with advanced space travel that cannot be used after.
The Xindi used subspace vortices. Long before the Federation existed, the Vaadwaur used subspace corridors to travel great distances throughout the Delta Quadrant and establish a large empire. Arturis' phony USS Dauntless used a fancy slipstream drive.
I don't have an issue with the spore drive. It's a weird mushroom engine and I like it as an idea for its weirdness.
I love the look of it. The lightning is awesome! I do not know why there would be lightning but I do not care, it's sweeeeeeet! If you make the Discovery your ship in game it does it too when you travel about. Shenzou is cool too and does these purple node things.
Disco Enterprise. Bleh. A monstrosity of unnecesary changes and additions. I’m surprised they didn’t put flame decals and a spoiler on there as well.
It looks great with its makeover. They had to change it a little to fit in with the look of the new show. It looks good though flame decals and a spoiler sound awesome too. HOT ROD ENTERPRISE!
The Discovery Enterprise resolves the Ship of Theseus paradox created when changing from the TOS Enterprise to TMP Enterprise.
What? No it doesn’t. There is no paradox with the TOS Enterprise, and it doesn’t need to be updated. The design is timeless.
Disco Enterprise. Bleh. A monstrosity of unnecesary changes and additions. I’m surprised they didn’t put flame decals and a spoiler on there as well.
It looks great with its makeover. They had to change it a little to fit in with the look of the new show. It looks good though flame decals and a spoiler sound awesome too. HOT ROD ENTERPRISE!
The Discovery Enterprise resolves the Ship of Theseus paradox created when changing from the TOS Enterprise to TMP Enterprise. I don't have a problem with this, but I also don't understand the hate over Discovery. As a TOS fan even I can grasp the concept that the show has to update its visuals in an attempt to remain futuristic. Besides, the improvements in technology are the fault of Picard and crew in First Contact anyway.
Keep in mind that while Picard and crew's disruption to the timeline was minimal - mostly upgraded display tech in the cockpit of Phoenix and launch control - they did destroy a Borg Sphere. The remains of that sphere were found (Star Trek: Enterprise) and the tech advancements within would have given Federation tech a more advanced look. By the mid-23rd Century Federation tech would look very advanced compared to TOS.
For this to work however, we have to assume that the TOS and TAS episodes were the pre-First Contact versions. These adventures would still occur, but look very different as a result of changes First Contact wrought. We would also have to retcon or completely ignore Trials and Tribbleations from DS9, since it used TOS footage.
Now I pulled this out of my butt and it is probably half-baked, but this is how I reconcile Discovery's look with TOS. I'm happy with this, and happy with the look of the Discovery Enterprise.
An interesting theory. People complain about the spore drive and how advanced it is but that is not a problem. Spore Drive cannot work on its own without a navigator. As long as there are not unlimited navigators or if the writers come up with a reason why the Spore Drive can never be used in later series then there is no continuity problem. The other treks all had advanced methods of travelling places in different episodes and movies but they were limited to an episode or movie. Just look at Discovery as one long episode with advanced space travel that cannot be used after.
The Xindi used subspace vortices. Long before the Federation existed, the Vaadwaur used subspace corridors to travel great distances throughout the Delta Quadrant and establish a large empire. Arturis' phony USS Dauntless used a fancy slipstream drive.
I don't have an issue with the spore drive. It's a weird mushroom engine and I like it as an idea for its weirdness.
All in all I'd agree.
The Excelsior, according to the words of Sulu at the beginning of ST3 had transwarp drive. Owing to Cmdr Scott's sabotage, we never got to see what this meant in reality but if the successor class to the old constitution-class could have been capable of the same kind of speeds as a Borg vessel in C23 who'd know what other technology was floating around in the era.
The Excelsior, according to the words of Sulu at the beginning of ST3 had transwarp drive. Owing to Cmdr Scott's sabotage, we never got to see what this meant in reality but if the successor class to the old constitution-class could have been capable of the same kind of speeds as a Borg vessel in C23 who'd know what other technology was floating around in the era.
Aren't Sulu's words that she's "supposed" to have transwarp drive? We never saw it in action, and even if it had worked, it doesn't necessarily mean the same kind of warp travel as the Borg's (the same way we have "Doppler radar" referring to two different technologies today, for example).
Apparently it didn't work, though; from the TNG Technical Manual:
"...the attempt to surpass the primary warp field efficiency barrier with the Transwarp Development Project in the early 2280s proved unsuccessful..."
Every series had episodes where they travelled at super speed or travelled super long distances that should not have been possible. So Discovery having a spore drive makes it like all the other series.
What? No it doesn’t. There is no paradox with the TOS Enterprise, and it doesn’t need to be updated. The design is timeless.
Then you haven't read the Ex Astris Scientia article on the topic. You probably don't have a clue regarding the Ship of Theseus paradox either. In the Ex Astris Scientia article it was determined that because of the design changes only a part of the secondary hull strongback and a portion of the interconnecting dorsal (i.e. the neck) survived the refit.
The Discovery Enterprise resolves the Ship of Theseus paradox because more of the ship's existing structure would be used in the refit. The interconnecting dorsal on the Discovery Enterprise is virtually identical to the TMP version. The warp pylons are virtually identical. The secondary hull is virtually identical. Physically the ship wouldn't change appreciably in the refit, but electronics and power plant would. Decker's line in TMP about the ship being "almost totally new" would then be an exaggeration, brought on by disbelief over Kirk demoting him and assuming command.
Now, there is no disagreement here that Matt Jeffries' design is timeless, but to have the TOS version appear on Discovery simply would not work, regardless of the quality of the CGI used in the model. The goal in film is to suspend disbelief, and a 53 year old ship design would not accomplish that goal unless it was updated. The Discovery design accomplishes that goal, and looks great in doing so.
The original Enterprise didn't feel out of place to me in "Trials and Tribble-ations", and I don't think it would have felt out of place to me in Discovery. Light it differently, maybe, but the actual design should have been fine. I don't care how it reconciles with the refit version, never have. Like the Klingons, I've always been content to accept that hey, stuff looks different in the movies. That's literally the extent to which I have ever cared about these things, and I've found it silly at times when fans have fixated on them.
Having said all that, the Discovery version is easily recognizable as the Enterprise and looks fine to me. I dunno that I'll take my chances on any schematic packs, but I do hope to build her eventually.
Disco Enterprise. Bleh. A monstrosity of unnecesary changes and additions. I’m surprised they didn’t put flame decals and a spoiler on there as well.
It looks great with its makeover. They had to change it a little to fit in with the look of the new show. It looks good though flame decals and a spoiler sound awesome too. HOT ROD ENTERPRISE!
The Discovery Enterprise resolves the Ship of Theseus paradox created when changing from the TOS Enterprise to TMP Enterprise.
What? No it doesn’t. There is no paradox with the TOS Enterprise, and it doesn’t need to be updated. The design is timeless.
What are you talking about? The ship, uniforms, phasers, etc., nearly everything looks totally different, and is FAR higher tech, from Pikes TOS Enterprse, are you blind?
It would be fun to have a short trek with the Discovery actors using old looking sets and devices like those in TOS.
They did it with the tribble episode in DS9. They kept in canon, and did it exactly right.
They also went with pre-TOS tech in Enterprise, and it had a very believable look to it. No reason to screw the whole thing up by not having a look that was somewhere between TOS and ENT. It causes the same suspension of disbelief problems we see in the Abrams movies.
All because special effects seem to be more important than continuity.
The original Enterprise didn't feel out of place to me in "Trials and Tribble-ations", and I don't think it would have felt out of place to me in Discovery. Light it differently, maybe, but the actual design should have been fine. I don't care how it reconciles with the refit version, never have. Like the Klingons, I've always been content to accept that hey, stuff looks different in the movies. That's literally the extent to which I have ever cared about these things, and I've found it silly at times when fans have fixated on them.
Having said all that, the Discovery version is easily recognizable as the Enterprise and looks fine to me. I dunno that I'll take my chances on any schematic packs, but I do hope to build her eventually.
The same way I'm fine with Klingons looking different in movies vs a 60s TV show, I'm fine with ship designs, props, and costumes looking different in a 2018 streaming show than a 60s TV show. It's just as silly when fans complain that it causes their suspension of disbelief. I hate to break it to people but it's not the 1960s, a modern TV show can't look like it was made 50 years ago. It's supposed to look like the future not the past.
Going back to my theory regarding Picard and crew affecting the timeline through their actions in First Contact, Trials and Tribbleations neither needs to be ignored nor retconned. The episode aired nearly three weeks prior to First Contact.
It would be fun to have a short trek with the Discovery actors using old looking sets and devices like those in TOS.
They did it with the tribble episode in DS9. They kept in canon, and did it exactly right.
They also went with pre-TOS tech in Enterprise, and it had a very believable look to it. No reason to screw the whole thing up by not having a look that was somewhere between TOS and ENT. It causes the same suspension of disbelief problems we see in the Abrams movies.
All because special effects seem to be more important than continuity.
That was a great episode of DS9 but you cannot really do that twice. And notice DS9 only did it for one episode. They did not try to have a whole show with old tech and bright colored gadgets and sets. I for one love the special effects and production value of Discovery episodes. Each one has movie quality graphics. Also, remember that when TOS was made they were using the best tech and special effects of the day. Seems silly to demand that new shows don't do the same thing that gene rodenberry did with his shows. CBS should have gone with a show after DS9 and Voyager and not after Enterprise but it is what it is. Can you get past that and watch and enjoy a good show or do you choose to not watch out of protest and cost yourself enjoyment?
I want to talk about the next event...Frankly, I don't have the time, patience, or inclination to rehash the laundry list of reasons that STD doesn't cut it. Lets just hope they learn their lessons for the Picard show.
Now I have all of my O'Briens and Chekovs out of cryo storage. I'm ready to rock.
I want to talk about the next event...Frankly, I don't have the time, patience, or inclination to rehash the laundry list of reasons that STD doesn't cut it. Lets just hope they learn their lessons for the Picard show.
Now I have all of my O'Briens and Chekovs out of cryo storage. I'm ready to rock.
I want to talk about the next event...Frankly, I don't have the time, patience, or inclination to rehash the laundry list of reasons that STD doesn't cut it. Lets just hope they learn their lessons for the Picard show.
Now I have all of my O'Briens and Chekovs out of cryo storage. I'm ready to rock.
But enough time to call it STD apparently.
You know what I don't get? If someone dislikes a show, why go out of your way to whine about it IN EVERY SINGLE THREAD?!?!? Hate the show that is the focus of an Event? Just skip it. Whining and moaning about how much you have the show {especially people who have never seen a second of it} in thread after thread {even UNRELATED ONES} is just tiresome. I don't enjoy Fraction Events as much as Galaxy or Skirmish. Know what I do? Send out my Shuttles ebvery three hours and do the best I can.
The complaining thing is silly. It's like if you like Firefly and hate Farscape, you join a SciFi/Fantasy page, and instead of commenting on threads about Firefly what you like about Firefly, you scan the page for threads about Farscape so you can complain about that show.
I'm half asleep, and might be incoherent, but I hope someone understood me.
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Going back to my theory regarding Picard and crew affecting the timeline through their actions in First Contact, Trials and Tribbleations neither needs to be ignored nor retconned. The episode aired nearly three weeks prior to First Contact.
What about the Mirror Darkly episodes of ENT? Do they still work as we see the TOS Defiant in those.
Nice fan-theory btw. This is why studios shouldn't try to explain too much back story... let the fans come up with their own ideas to fill in the gaps.
I assume people discussing Enterprise design continuity from Discovery to TOS to TMP haven't watched any of Discovery season 2 yet?
Since at the end of s02e01 we see Pike's Enterprise being towed back to space dock for a complete overhaul due to unknown system failure. Any design elements we have seen at the end of season 1/beginning of season 2 are clearly open to change.
Now I have all of my O'Briens and Chekovs out of cryo storage. I'm ready to rock.
Sooooo...I realize you probably just said this as another "Disco is the worst" jab, but as annoying as your ongoing ranting has been, I still hope you didn't waste merits de-thawing all of your Chekovs and O'Briens for a Skirmish event. That would be wasteful.
I assume people discussing Enterprise design continuity from Discovery to TOS to TMP haven't watched any of Discovery season 2 yet?
Since at the end of s02e01 we see Pike's Enterprise being towed back to space dock for a complete overhaul due to unknown system failure. Any design elements we have seen at the end of season 1/beginning of season 2 are clearly open to change.
There's still the matter of "The Cage" taking place 3-4 years before Discovery, then reverting to (mostly) the same design for the duration of TOS, set another 10 years after Discovery. Someone who cares can contrive how to reconcile it all. I'm not that person.
Anyway, I'm almost certainly going to fall outside the top 1500 and miss out on Bridge Officer Number One this week. I'm disappointed to miss out on her, but thankfully at least Skirmishes are the most forgiving event format and I'll snag the same VP with Chief O'Brien that I would have gotten with Number One.
It'd be dope if we got a 3* Talos IV Number One in the rank table, though.
I assume people discussing Enterprise design continuity from Discovery to TOS to TMP haven't watched any of Discovery season 2 yet?
Since at the end of s02e01 we see Pike's Enterprise being towed back to space dock for a complete overhaul due to unknown system failure. Any design elements we have seen at the end of season 1/beginning of season 2 are clearly open to change.
There's still the matter of "The Cage" taking place
It'd be dope if we got a 3* Talos IV Number One in the rank table, though.
That would be a nice way to include her. I'm sure people would still be annoyed that it wasn't the other way around, but it is what it is.
I want to talk about the next event...Frankly, I don't have the time, patience, or inclination to rehash the laundry list of reasons that STD doesn't cut it. Lets just hope they learn their lessons for the Picard show.
Now I have all of my O'Briens and Chekovs out of cryo storage. I'm ready to rock.
You've posted 6 times in this thread and complained about Discovery in each one. You've misused the abbreviation each time. If you want to talk about the event instead of complaining about Discovery, maybe you should start by talking about the event and not complain about Discovery.
I want to talk about the next event...Frankly, I don't have the time, patience, or inclination to rehash the laundry list of reasons that STD doesn't cut it. Lets just hope they learn their lessons for the Picard show.
Now I have all of my O'Briens and Chekovs out of cryo storage. I'm ready to rock.
Now I have all of my O'Briens and Chekovs out of cryo storage. I'm ready to rock.
Sooooo...I realize you probably just said this as another "Disco is the worst" jab, but as annoying as your ongoing ranting has been, I still hope you didn't waste merits de-thawing all of your Chekovs and O'Briens for a Skirmish event. That would be wasteful.
Going back to my theory regarding Picard and crew affecting the timeline through their actions in First Contact, Trials and Tribbleations neither needs to be ignored nor retconned. The episode aired nearly three weeks prior to First Contact.
What about the Mirror Darkly episodes of ENT? Do they still work as we see the TOS Defiant in those.
Nice fan-theory btw. This is why studios shouldn't try to explain too much back story... let the fans come up with their own ideas to fill in the gaps.
"The Tholian Web" is a TOS episode. The events we see in that episode were in the timeline prior to the destruction of the Borg Sphere. The Defiant would NOT be affected as it shifted to the Mirror Universe. Thus "In A Mirror Darkly" doesn't require a retcon. This would also explain how the Defiant in Discovery retained most of the TOS design while Enterprise in Discovery looks more like the movie Enterprise.
When the events of "The Tholian Web" occur again, the Discovery Defiant would get shunted to a parallel Mirror Universe. Cue the headaches resulting from thinking about it.
The actual explanation for the Enterprise differences in STD is simple, albeit canonically inconvenient.
The actual rights for the Enterprise are somewhat muddy, due to corporate mergers and splits over the years; CBS isn't the sole rights-holder anymore. Therefore, to avoid messy legal battles, "new" uses of the Enterprise have to be different enough to keep the lawyers happy. The quoted number according to Gizmodo is that is had to be 25% different (how they quantify differences, I have no idea).
This is also why the Kelvinverse Enterprsie is different, though I think they chose to modify it more than legally necessary to make JJ happy.
I want to talk about the next event...Frankly, I don't have the time, patience, or inclination to rehash the laundry list of reasons that STD doesn't cut it. Lets just hope they learn their lessons for the Picard show.
Now I have all of my O'Briens and Chekovs out of cryo storage. I'm ready to rock.
But enough time to call it STD apparently.
You know what I don't get? If someone dislikes a show, why go out of your way to whine about it IN EVERY SINGLE THREAD?!?!? Hate the show that is the focus of an Event? Just skip it. Whining and moaning about how much you have the show {especially people who have never seen a second of it} in thread after thread {even UNRELATED ONES} is just tiresome. I don't enjoy Fraction Events as much as Galaxy or Skirmish. Know what I do? Send out my Shuttles ebvery three hours and do the best I can.
The complaining thing is silly. It's like if you like Firefly and hate Farscape, you join a SciFi/Fantasy page, and instead of commenting on threads about Firefly what you like about Firefly, you scan the page for threads about Farscape so you can complain about that show.
I'm half asleep, and might be incoherent, but I hope someone understood me.
+1
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I want to talk about the next event...Frankly, I don't have the time, patience, or inclination to rehash the laundry list of reasons that STD doesn't cut it. Lets just hope they learn their lessons for the Picard show.
Now I have all of my O'Briens and Chekovs out of cryo storage. I'm ready to rock.
Look, we know you hate Disco, you’ve made it very clear. But no one appreciates the constant ranting so please keep your disco hate to yourself. Thank you 😁
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I simply assume the fungus is obliterated to extinction in a future episode.
I love the look of it. The lightning is awesome! I do not know why there would be lightning but I do not care, it's sweeeeeeet! If you make the Discovery your ship in game it does it too when you travel about. Shenzou is cool too and does these purple node things.
What? No it doesn’t. There is no paradox with the TOS Enterprise, and it doesn’t need to be updated. The design is timeless.
All in all I'd agree.
The Excelsior, according to the words of Sulu at the beginning of ST3 had transwarp drive. Owing to Cmdr Scott's sabotage, we never got to see what this meant in reality but if the successor class to the old constitution-class could have been capable of the same kind of speeds as a Borg vessel in C23 who'd know what other technology was floating around in the era.
Apparently it didn't work, though; from the TNG Technical Manual:
"...the attempt to surpass the primary warp field efficiency barrier with the Transwarp Development Project in the early 2280s proved unsuccessful..."
The Discovery Enterprise resolves the Ship of Theseus paradox because more of the ship's existing structure would be used in the refit. The interconnecting dorsal on the Discovery Enterprise is virtually identical to the TMP version. The warp pylons are virtually identical. The secondary hull is virtually identical. Physically the ship wouldn't change appreciably in the refit, but electronics and power plant would. Decker's line in TMP about the ship being "almost totally new" would then be an exaggeration, brought on by disbelief over Kirk demoting him and assuming command.
Now, there is no disagreement here that Matt Jeffries' design is timeless, but to have the TOS version appear on Discovery simply would not work, regardless of the quality of the CGI used in the model. The goal in film is to suspend disbelief, and a 53 year old ship design would not accomplish that goal unless it was updated. The Discovery design accomplishes that goal, and looks great in doing so.
Having said all that, the Discovery version is easily recognizable as the Enterprise and looks fine to me. I dunno that I'll take my chances on any schematic packs, but I do hope to build her eventually.
What are you talking about? The ship, uniforms, phasers, etc., nearly everything looks totally different, and is FAR higher tech, from Pikes TOS Enterprse, are you blind?
They did it with the tribble episode in DS9. They kept in canon, and did it exactly right.
They also went with pre-TOS tech in Enterprise, and it had a very believable look to it. No reason to screw the whole thing up by not having a look that was somewhere between TOS and ENT. It causes the same suspension of disbelief problems we see in the Abrams movies.
All because special effects seem to be more important than continuity.
The same way I'm fine with Klingons looking different in movies vs a 60s TV show, I'm fine with ship designs, props, and costumes looking different in a 2018 streaming show than a 60s TV show. It's just as silly when fans complain that it causes their suspension of disbelief. I hate to break it to people but it's not the 1960s, a modern TV show can't look like it was made 50 years ago. It's supposed to look like the future not the past.
That was a great episode of DS9 but you cannot really do that twice. And notice DS9 only did it for one episode. They did not try to have a whole show with old tech and bright colored gadgets and sets. I for one love the special effects and production value of Discovery episodes. Each one has movie quality graphics. Also, remember that when TOS was made they were using the best tech and special effects of the day. Seems silly to demand that new shows don't do the same thing that gene rodenberry did with his shows. CBS should have gone with a show after DS9 and Voyager and not after Enterprise but it is what it is. Can you get past that and watch and enjoy a good show or do you choose to not watch out of protest and cost yourself enjoyment?
Now I have all of my O'Briens and Chekovs out of cryo storage. I'm ready to rock.
But enough time to call it STD apparently.
You know what I don't get? If someone dislikes a show, why go out of your way to whine about it IN EVERY SINGLE THREAD?!?!? Hate the show that is the focus of an Event? Just skip it. Whining and moaning about how much you have the show {especially people who have never seen a second of it} in thread after thread {even UNRELATED ONES} is just tiresome. I don't enjoy Fraction Events as much as Galaxy or Skirmish. Know what I do? Send out my Shuttles ebvery three hours and do the best I can.
The complaining thing is silly. It's like if you like Firefly and hate Farscape, you join a SciFi/Fantasy page, and instead of commenting on threads about Firefly what you like about Firefly, you scan the page for threads about Farscape so you can complain about that show.
I'm half asleep, and might be incoherent, but I hope someone understood me.
What about the Mirror Darkly episodes of ENT? Do they still work as we see the TOS Defiant in those.
Nice fan-theory btw. This is why studios shouldn't try to explain too much back story... let the fans come up with their own ideas to fill in the gaps.
Sooooo...I realize you probably just said this as another "Disco is the worst" jab, but as annoying as your ongoing ranting has been, I still hope you didn't waste merits de-thawing all of your Chekovs and O'Briens for a Skirmish event. That would be wasteful.
There's still the matter of "The Cage" taking place 3-4 years before Discovery, then reverting to (mostly) the same design for the duration of TOS, set another 10 years after Discovery. Someone who cares can contrive how to reconcile it all. I'm not that person.
Anyway, I'm almost certainly going to fall outside the top 1500 and miss out on Bridge Officer Number One this week. I'm disappointed to miss out on her, but thankfully at least Skirmishes are the most forgiving event format and I'll snag the same VP with Chief O'Brien that I would have gotten with Number One.
It'd be dope if we got a 3* Talos IV Number One in the rank table, though.
You've posted 6 times in this thread and complained about Discovery in each one. You've misused the abbreviation each time. If you want to talk about the event instead of complaining about Discovery, maybe you should start by talking about the event and not complain about Discovery.
You're on ignore
I dunno, I kind of hope he did.
"The Tholian Web" is a TOS episode. The events we see in that episode were in the timeline prior to the destruction of the Borg Sphere. The Defiant would NOT be affected as it shifted to the Mirror Universe. Thus "In A Mirror Darkly" doesn't require a retcon. This would also explain how the Defiant in Discovery retained most of the TOS design while Enterprise in Discovery looks more like the movie Enterprise.
When the events of "The Tholian Web" occur again, the Discovery Defiant would get shunted to a parallel Mirror Universe. Cue the headaches resulting from thinking about it.
The actual rights for the Enterprise are somewhat muddy, due to corporate mergers and splits over the years; CBS isn't the sole rights-holder anymore. Therefore, to avoid messy legal battles, "new" uses of the Enterprise have to be different enough to keep the lawyers happy. The quoted number according to Gizmodo is that is had to be 25% different (how they quantify differences, I have no idea).
This is also why the Kelvinverse Enterprsie is different, though I think they chose to modify it more than legally necessary to make JJ happy.
+1
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Look, we know you hate Disco, you’ve made it very clear. But no one appreciates the constant ranting so please keep your disco hate to yourself. Thank you 😁
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