For me it is not about maximizing time but limiting the number of clicks I have to do. That is why I like ISS Enterprise and Killy, Klingon Janeway, Tkuvma and the event crew. I can usually just do klingon janeway and killy to win 60% of the time, other 40% I add T'kuvma. So two to three clicks per battle. Using the Krayton and its boost would add another click.
Out of curiosity, why the ISS Enterprise? Its attack power is relatively weak compared to the newer ships and is only rated around 1000 attack points higher than the Krayton. Meanwhile the Borg Cube has nearly 2000 attack points on the ISS Ent. Cube is still the highest attack, at least among the ships I have maxed.
I can understand the interest in limiting clicks over time per match by going for a less timing dependent, raw power build. More multi-tasker friendly. I played most of my early skirmishes using this type of build.
Over time, I found I preferred to minimize time per match. It's at least one more click, but the time savings really adds up over an event.
1. Krayton speed up
2. Ardra
3. Killy/Commandant/ other 6-8 sec 350% attack
4. See step 3, ~50% of the time
5. Krayton burst attack ~20% of the time
+ Whatever Event Crew in remaining seat
Battles are done in 5-6 seconds 80-90% of the time, provided you have two 6 second burst attack crew. Over a full skirmish round, that's generally ~40 second time savings, or an hour's time savings per ~300k VP.
If I want to be comfortable about ranking top 1500k, I aim for 900k VP. Using a speed build, I'm saving around 3 hours. That's 3 hours I can use to instead smoke cigarettes and gamble in a real casino (or more realistically sleep in).
Borg cube has low evasion and I think less health but I could do multiple different legendary ships and sometimes do when I am bored but I just do my routine one and go on autopilot. Click click click...
Glad it only took 2 event packs to get the final copy of the new 4* crew this week, though I still haven't had any luck adding a copy to my 5* for quite some time.
Is it just me, or are Vina’s stats BAD? Like, Drunk Troi levels of badness?
Just looking at the crew I already have, Mirror Bev has better stats than Vina, albeit Bev is MED/DIP/SCI instead of DIP/MED/SCI, but that actually makes Mirror Bev even more valuable! And how old is Mirror Bev?
Is Vina some kind of Gauntlet beast or something? I don’t think so, but I’m struggling to see what I’m overlooking here.
I know I’m not entitled to anything and maybe I’m just a little more upset than I otherwise would be because I love Skirmishes and always look forward to them. If this was a Galaxy, I’d probably just shrug, wonder what DB was thinking and go about my business.
The only way I think this card could be desirable, as the current stats are, would be to change the DIP to ENG or maybe COM. Even then, it wouldn’t be an excellent card, but it would be palatable.
Vina's stats are fine and reflect her role in that episode, still, I can't help but feel she would have been better as MED primary since they're so rare...
Is it just me, or are Vina’s stats BAD? Like, Drunk Troi levels of badness?
Vina has a voyage score of 3400 which is good compared to Commander Troi's poor 3025. Vina has 5 useful traits to Troi's only 3 useful traits outside of gauntlet which Troi would not be very good in. Vina has great diplomacy at 1287 to Commander Troi's poor diplomacy of 1060.
Is it just me, or are Vina’s stats BAD? Like, Drunk Troi levels of badness?
She has a voyage score of 3400 which is good. She also has good traits and her diplomacy is great at 1287, She is far better than Commander Troi and her diplomacy of 1060.
The Drunk Troi was a bit of hyperbole, but I’m failing to see how she is any better than, say, Mirror Bev, who has the same skills, albeit she’s a MED primary instead of a DIP primary. My back of the napkin math says Mirror Bev’s Voyage total is about 150 worse than Vina’s, but again, Mirror Bev is a med primary. Vina has decent traits, but it’s not like she’s Mintakan Troi, either. Like, right now, if I got both Mirror Bev and Vina in a behold, I certainly don’t think the slam dunk choice is for Vina.
Maybe she’s not hot garbage, but these stats would’ve been a lot more attractive on a card released months ago. It’s like she’s been power-creeped, but she hasn’t even come out yet.
I have about 30 Immortalized gold, and I have to say, once I got Drunk Troi immorted during her campaign month, she has been on every DIP heavy shuttle since then, so she is useful for that at least!
Is it just me, or are Vina’s stats BAD? Like, Drunk Troi levels of badness?
She has a voyage score of 3400 which is good. She also has good traits and her diplomacy is great at 1287, She is far better than Commander Troi and her diplomacy of 1060.
The Drunk Troi was a bit of hyperbole, but I’m failing to see how she is any better than, say, Mirror Bev, who has the same skills, albeit she’s a MED primary instead of a DIP primary. My back of the napkin math says Mirror Bev’s Voyage total is about 150 worse than Vina’s, but again, Mirror Bev is a med primary. Vina has decent traits, but it’s not like she’s Mintakan Troi, either. Like, right now, if I got both Mirror Bev and Vina in a behold, I certainly don’t think the slam dunk choice is for Vina.
Maybe she’s not hot garbage, but these stats would’ve been a lot more attractive on a card released months ago. It’s like she’s been power-creeped, but she hasn’t even come out yet.
Yes ... I too feel that an apple tastes more like an apple when compared to an orange.
Yes ... I too feel that an apple tastes more like an apple when compared to an orange.
I get the point you’re trying to make. On the other hand, if you think Vina is a great card, I’m not sure I *want* to continue the debate.
I’m surprised-but pleased for you!-that you apparently think Vina is a very good crew.
Looking at the crew I have (and I’m hardly a whale!) Vina is quite disappointing in terms of her numbers. Whatever she does, I have crew that do it similarly or better.
But why would I wish to rain on your parade? I hope you are able to go after Vina and get her. If nothing else, I can say the card art seems pretty good.
Is it just me, or are Vina’s stats BAD? Like, Drunk Troi levels of badness?
She has a voyage score of 3400 which is good. She also has good traits and her diplomacy is great at 1287, She is far better than Commander Troi and her diplomacy of 1060.
The Drunk Troi was a bit of hyperbole, but I’m failing to see how she is any better than, say, Mirror Bev, who has the same skills, albeit she’s a MED primary instead of a DIP primary. My back of the napkin math says Mirror Bev’s Voyage total is about 150 worse than Vina’s, but again, Mirror Bev is a med primary. Vina has decent traits, but it’s not like she’s Mintakan Troi, either. Like, right now, if I got both Mirror Bev and Vina in a behold, I certainly don’t think the slam dunk choice is for Vina.
Maybe she’s not hot garbage, but these stats would’ve been a lot more attractive on a card released months ago. It’s like she’s been power-creeped, but she hasn’t even come out yet.
Stats-wise, I think a better comparison is Q2 (only the tertiary skill is different). Vina has a similar DIP base, slightly better secondary bases, and slightly worse proficiencies all around. I don’t think MED/DIP is all that critical of a combo but Vina should be helpful to anyone lacking in that skill for shuttles or voyages.
If you spend time looking at her 5/5 numbers she may have value. For me, I have other crew far superior to her 1/5 numbers and she would not be on my citation list for quite some time. I don't believe I will go for her, though I will be going for the honor anyway, so maybe I'll get her, anyway.
If you spend time looking at her 5/5 numbers she may have value. For me, I have other crew far superior to her 1/5 numbers and she would not be on my citation list for quite some time. I don't believe I will go for her, though I will be going for the honor anyway, so maybe I'll get her, anyway.
That is a fair point as most including myself will probably keep her at 1/5 unless the end pack has some legendaries in them. With full bonuses her diplomacy will be 1031 which is pretty good but there are a couple super rares with a higher diplomacy at 4/4. Maybe people are upset that her other skills do not help at 1/5? I think though overall Vina is pretty good and I like the art.
... looks to me like she has better stats, but whatever. Peace, y'all. LLAP
And Virtuoso Doctor was introduced in May 2018. Saying Vina is slightly better than a character introduced a year and a half ago is an expectation, not an endorsement.
The real question (to me) is whether she is a year and a half better.
I’ll admit that maybe she’s not the complete turkey I thought she was, but her stats scream “6 month old card” to me. I guess a good comparison (in my mind) is Bartender Tuvok. He’s wasn’t *bad* per se, more like dated upon release, if that makes sense.
... looks to me like she has better stats, but whatever. Peace, y'all. LLAP
And Virtuoso Doctor was introduced in May 2018. Saying Vina is slightly better than a character introduced a year and a half ago is an expectation, not an endorsement.
The real question (to me) is whether she is a year and a half better.
I’ll admit that maybe she’s not the complete turkey I thought she was, but her stats scream “6 month old card” to me. I guess a good comparison (in my mind) is Bartender Tuvok. He’s wasn’t *bad* per se, more like dated upon release, if that makes sense.
Power creep should neither be an expectation nor a necessity.
... looks to me like she has better stats, but whatever. Peace, y'all. LLAP
And Virtuoso Doctor was introduced in May 2018. Saying Vina is slightly better than a character introduced a year and a half ago is an expectation, not an endorsement.
The real question (to me) is whether she is a year and a half better.
I’ll admit that maybe she’s not the complete turkey I thought she was, but her stats scream “6 month old card” to me. I guess a good comparison (in my mind) is Bartender Tuvok. He’s wasn’t *bad* per se, more like dated upon release, if that makes sense.
Power creep should neither be an expectation nor a necessity.
Then what should be the impetus to strive for new cards? If I already have a card that does something, and a new one is released that does basically the same thing, why should I spend time/money acquiring the new one?
I’m not a squirrel. I need more justification than, “New! Shiny!”
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Out of curiosity, why the ISS Enterprise? Its attack power is relatively weak compared to the newer ships and is only rated around 1000 attack points higher than the Krayton. Meanwhile the Borg Cube has nearly 2000 attack points on the ISS Ent. Cube is still the highest attack, at least among the ships I have maxed.
I can understand the interest in limiting clicks over time per match by going for a less timing dependent, raw power build. More multi-tasker friendly. I played most of my early skirmishes using this type of build.
Over time, I found I preferred to minimize time per match. It's at least one more click, but the time savings really adds up over an event.
1. Krayton speed up
2. Ardra
3. Killy/Commandant/ other 6-8 sec 350% attack
4. See step 3, ~50% of the time
5. Krayton burst attack ~20% of the time
+ Whatever Event Crew in remaining seat
Battles are done in 5-6 seconds 80-90% of the time, provided you have two 6 second burst attack crew. Over a full skirmish round, that's generally ~40 second time savings, or an hour's time savings per ~300k VP.
If I want to be comfortable about ranking top 1500k, I aim for 900k VP. Using a speed build, I'm saving around 3 hours. That's 3 hours I can use to instead smoke cigarettes and gamble in a real casino (or more realistically sleep in).
Is that the scene where...
If so, it's one of my favorites.
Georgiou is so badass!
I will recheck them!
Just looking at the crew I already have, Mirror Bev has better stats than Vina, albeit Bev is MED/DIP/SCI instead of DIP/MED/SCI, but that actually makes Mirror Bev even more valuable! And how old is Mirror Bev?
Is Vina some kind of Gauntlet beast or something? I don’t think so, but I’m struggling to see what I’m overlooking here.
I know I’m not entitled to anything and maybe I’m just a little more upset than I otherwise would be because I love Skirmishes and always look forward to them. If this was a Galaxy, I’d probably just shrug, wonder what DB was thinking and go about my business.
The only way I think this card could be desirable, as the current stats are, would be to change the DIP to ENG or maybe COM. Even then, it wouldn’t be an excellent card, but it would be palatable.
That is a slightly used cudgel.
Or a big turkey (or targ) leg....
Vina has a voyage score of 3400 which is good compared to Commander Troi's poor 3025. Vina has 5 useful traits to Troi's only 3 useful traits outside of gauntlet which Troi would not be very good in. Vina has great diplomacy at 1287 to Commander Troi's poor diplomacy of 1060.
The Drunk Troi was a bit of hyperbole, but I’m failing to see how she is any better than, say, Mirror Bev, who has the same skills, albeit she’s a MED primary instead of a DIP primary. My back of the napkin math says Mirror Bev’s Voyage total is about 150 worse than Vina’s, but again, Mirror Bev is a med primary. Vina has decent traits, but it’s not like she’s Mintakan Troi, either. Like, right now, if I got both Mirror Bev and Vina in a behold, I certainly don’t think the slam dunk choice is for Vina.
Maybe she’s not hot garbage, but these stats would’ve been a lot more attractive on a card released months ago. It’s like she’s been power-creeped, but she hasn’t even come out yet.
Yes ... I too feel that an apple tastes more like an apple when compared to an orange.
I get the point you’re trying to make. On the other hand, if you think Vina is a great card, I’m not sure I *want* to continue the debate.
I’m surprised-but pleased for you!-that you apparently think Vina is a very good crew.
Looking at the crew I have (and I’m hardly a whale!) Vina is quite disappointing in terms of her numbers. Whatever she does, I have crew that do it similarly or better.
But why would I wish to rain on your parade? I hope you are able to go after Vina and get her. If nothing else, I can say the card art seems pretty good.
Stats-wise, I think a better comparison is Q2 (only the tertiary skill is different). Vina has a similar DIP base, slightly better secondary bases, and slightly worse proficiencies all around. I don’t think MED/DIP is all that critical of a combo but Vina should be helpful to anyone lacking in that skill for shuttles or voyages.
Virtuoso Doctor
FE 1/5 level 100 DIP 805 (236-601) SCI 283 (99-193) MED 324 (123-338)
Fully Fused Fully Equipped Level 100 Skills: DIP 1157 (236-601) SCI 508 (99-193) MED 772 (123-338)
Traits: Hologram, Federation, Starfleet, Musician, Physician, Desperate, Inspiring
Vina
FE 1/5 level 100 DIP 897 (225-456), SCI 258 (106-216), MED 383 (183-413)
Fully Fused Fully Equipped Level 100 Skills: DIP 1287 (225-456), SCI 483 (106-216), MED 831 (183-413)
Traits: Human, Civilian, Romantic, Desperate, Diplomat
... looks to me like she has better stats, but whatever. Peace, y'all. LLAP
That's what I have. With #4 base DIP.
Personally, she's unlikely to add much to my roster as DIP/MED is one of my stronger combos. But she's hardly bad.
That is a fair point as most including myself will probably keep her at 1/5 unless the end pack has some legendaries in them. With full bonuses her diplomacy will be 1031 which is pretty good but there are a couple super rares with a higher diplomacy at 4/4. Maybe people are upset that her other skills do not help at 1/5? I think though overall Vina is pretty good and I like the art.
I won't get in your way. Happy hunting.
And Virtuoso Doctor was introduced in May 2018. Saying Vina is slightly better than a character introduced a year and a half ago is an expectation, not an endorsement.
The real question (to me) is whether she is a year and a half better.
I’ll admit that maybe she’s not the complete turkey I thought she was, but her stats scream “6 month old card” to me. I guess a good comparison (in my mind) is Bartender Tuvok. He’s wasn’t *bad* per se, more like dated upon release, if that makes sense.
Power creep should neither be an expectation nor a necessity.
Then what should be the impetus to strive for new cards? If I already have a card that does something, and a new one is released that does basically the same thing, why should I spend time/money acquiring the new one?
I’m not a squirrel. I need more justification than, “New! Shiny!”